Drums, drums, DRUMS! Vintage, new, playing, recording, collecting, drum history, etc... My name is Joel, and I LOVE drums. I've been a drummer for the last 40+ years and a recording engineer/producer the last 30, so I've learned a bit about drums and how to work with them. If you play drums, record drums, or just like drums, this channel is for you!!
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Tantastic, many thanks!
What the hell get that crappy finish, and those stupid Tama lugs off that thing! It’s just a shell just a shell and the throw off. That are Rogers and that ugly finish that ugly finish put on there you should strip that and have it re-chrome bring it back to his original glory just saying.
“A couple inches makes all the difference” amirite? 😂
I'll also say that I made it to the end. A very great experiment. Personally, I think I prefer the 18". To me, it sounds like it has more sustain, which I enjoy. I have a 20x14" Pearl Masters MX 6 ply maple bass drum, which I find works very well for both jazz and rock, depending on how I tune and muffle it. Usually I use no very minimal muffling. I find that it has a nice ring and sustain which I like. I find that a lot of modern bass drum sounds seem to be very dead and short. I prefer a little bit of ring and sustain.
Thanks for the comparison in kick depths, very cool! I guess I am somewhere in between with my 2 Ludwig 16"x24" Power Kicks. And yes, I'll enjoy my extra set of spurs, too!
My guess is that if you increase the circumference they’re a point at which the depth could need to be increased in order to align with the « circumference to depth » ratio. I would hypothesize that different shell composition may effect the « best » ratio. But these subtle differences wouldn’t outweigh the benefit for drummers as a group to align with standard sizes used today. In terms of cost vs benefit. Interesting concept for custom drums though like OP did. Take the largest standard circumference and find the perfect depth for a balanced sound.
You're speaking my language, man! I've been preaching this for years, especially when metal drummers ask me to build 22" kicks that are 20" deep and mount triggers, because I could instead just make them a 24" kick that's 10" deep, and they won't need triggers, because the drum will already sound like they want it to! Anyway, great video, man!
I just went from 22x18 to 22x14 and the low end is a lot more controlled and I get a lot more punch that I felt like I was missing from having a 22x18 kick drum. When I do my own recordings with my band, I would use a kick sample to help reinforce the attack and punch that I was missing. Now I feel like I don't need to heavily use it. I went from using the SJC Navigator kit, which is all maple, to Tama Starclassic Walnut/Birch.
i like the tone of the 18 inch, but the tightness and punch of the 14 inch. Sounds like the 18 inch is a half step lower. I'm always trying to find a way to get low tone but very punchy bass drum.
I own a supraphonic did sound for a worckship band a few months ago dude showed up with an acrolite and it sounded incredible super airy sharp dynamic now i want one hahahah
Do you have a video on applying the Ludwig badges??? Would love to learn.
I would like to add a bass drum Tom mount to my Ludwig classic maple downbeat kit. Should I use a Ludwig mount or is there a better mount? Kinda tired of the snare stand.
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Thanks for going through all the work of comparison on the SAME bass drum.. I did prefer the punchier tighter sound of the shorter bass drum. I have always preferred traditional size bass drums and toms as well. I think it’s important to mention the difference in feel while playing the shorter bass drum, which I find to be more comfortable especially when it’s open with no muffling. Thanks again
I like 26 and 28 drums. bored as hell with the 22
But, what about the snare? It does not sound the same, too! 🧐
I have been wondering what the sound difference is with a Swingstar black badge with mastercraft shell 14 x 6.5 snare drum and a BB165 bell brass. Looks like the difference between the powerline 14 x 6 1/2 snare drum and a Swingstar 14 x 6 1/2 is that the swingstar has eight lugs and the powerline has 10 lugs and looks like the rims are different material. But they sound similar to My ear. Because they have the same steel shell. It would be interesting to have a swing star with the Mastercraft shell and a bell brass sitting next to each other and see how close that you could make them sound the same. thanks for the videos
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_note en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_tone
Unless you're playing Timpani then drums, typically, are considered instruments of indeterminate or indefinite pitch. We're not hearing a tom or other drums in a set as producing notes of a scale, for example. So they don't require being tuned as would a guitar, horn or other pitched instrument. But, of course, to get a good sound out of a drum (and I realize that's subjective), it still requires tuning, although not to our system of equal temperament.
It's not just wood, look at snare drums. copper, brass, bronze, acrylic, ceramic. Btw, that poplar snare sounds awesome!!😂
Got to the end, Joel. Great video! I appreciate hearing your experiences and opinions. I totally agree with you. Although I was a stubborn deep kick enthusiast for way too long. I wanted to make them work so bad, but finally accepted the fact that I was working too hard at muffling and tuning in the studio with the 18” and even 20” deep kicks 😵💫. Shorter bass drums for studio, easy choice!
I love the time and effort you made to do this, it was perfect! Any other way would not have made the point that you made. They both sound nice, I personally think I like the slightly tighter punch of the 14 depth. But the deeper depth had a very nice lower tone to me. Both great, you’re a great person to have done this test with your particular interest in depths over the years. Good stuff!
I'm a guitar player that enjoys recording drums. Really like the shell pitch comparison you did with and without hardware. Got me thinking, what if instead if hardware, turnbuckles were used to connect the upper and lower lugs? The only thing making contact with the shell would be the hoops. Would it be impossible to tune the heads?
1. Is that 2ply batterhead? 2. Why 6 lugs snare cant get fat sound? 3. Why 8 lugs snare quite overtone and ringing?
You are full of s.......hit.You have no ideea,probably advertising disguised as painted drums(dw ?)😃
I wonder what the before and after would sound like
Has the age of the brass altered the sound ?
This is a pure master class discovery/demonstration. I am over trying to mix a bazillion mics on a kit and wanted the GJ technique to work, but like you demonstrated, the toms are too weak. This is the missing piece to make GJ work. I cannot wait to try this! Thanks for sharing!!
❤Is that a Tama Bell Brass behind you ?!? 😍
22:35 I think it's worth mentioning that if your drumheads DO look like "english muffins" as you say your first instinct should not be to just buy more durable heads but just to learn how to play. I saw NO drummer who's ever studied and applied Stone, Moeller and Gladstone who's ever had a problem with damaging heads. I know a guy who's hitting incredibly hard and coated ambassadors last him for years on the practice kit that's constantly being abused. Thats because he knows how to hold the stick. If you damage heads, then that means your sticks have absolutley no breathing room, no way of bouncing off and releasing tension. And that tension goes inside the head creating dents, not bounces off the head to create sound. And because of that you're always muting the impact which has a huge impact on sound. Of course sometimes you want to mute the stick in your hand but if you have no ability to choose, no heads are gonna be safe near you.
What about wood hoops.
3:21 - a link to a video of the modding you used would be greatly appreciated (or even better why not make one yourself?😉)
A classmate in Junior High School had one. I had an Acrolite.
Sounds great! Love the shirt!🔥🥁😎
Great video!!! Keep ‘em coming… really love your sound.
I found one locally years ago. Brian Duvall would probably still have it.
The smaller depth did sound more alive and less flat and floppy. Out of curiosity, did you you also do the muffling to scale? Meaning, when you decreased the amount of drum shell, did you you proportionately reduce the amount of muffling? Great videos!
I like them both yeah man Rock on
Good info. Thanks . What is more durable a single 10 mil or 2 ply 7.5 mil ? It seems damaging one thin 7.5 mil layer would be easier than damaging a 10 mil single ply.
I don't see the question though I am sure it is somewhere below - batter and snare head used and which strainer?
My first love was Ludwig. I remember in the late seventies, we would argue over how to pronounce it. Thank you, brings back fun memories 🥁
23:20 That's such a cool sound.
You think a 6 lug could handle a reggae tuning?
I make stave kits and my standard kick size is 14 x 20. My personal kick is 14 x 21. Why? Because I don’t know anyone who plays a 21” kick. Downside is I have to buy timpani heads for it.
What were the tune bot frequencies for each head in the two different takes? Great video. Thanks
I believe those became the Stage series when Yamaha started offering three main lines (Stage, Tour, and Recording). The Stage was my first “real” drum set.
Thanks for this video very well explained
Would anyone happen to know about a 62 prototype Acrolite and what it might be worth? I bought it from a pawn shop for 89 dollars and had a weld plate where the seam is, and thought someone had messed it up and weld a plate for some reason, but in doing some research that’s how they did the first model pre-serialized Arcrolites. It’s in great shape with aluminum hoops and aluminum bow tie lugs as well with red felt and baseball bat muffler lever.
Great video, thank you. Subscribed