Without a question, the absolute best Asym vs. Sym video I have ever seen. And, it opened my eyes to why I tend to steer away from Asym balls, especially higher diff & intermediate pieces (unless they're pearl and longer by design). Lower diff and intermediate Asym pieces work well for me, though. This was rad! Well done, brother!
@fishbowl8072 күн бұрын
Great channel and so much information
@danielmaddox77923 күн бұрын
This was very well explained and very much enjoyed. I will be returning to look this over.
@brianmain66183 күн бұрын
good one sir. if ya need 70 to 80 degree on a high inter, diff ball flares the whole ball for high rev rate player
@kodyheskett79643 күн бұрын
Drilled mine 5inch and it hooks sooo much. Never had to stand so far left. Wirks very well with my nu blue
@fliboimoney4 күн бұрын
I think the amount of oil that proprietors are using verse the surface of the lanes is a bigger issue that we DONT talk about... Bowling ball technology has expanded so much (The lanes can't keep up) as a PRO you know Lane surface will dictate a lot of what the ball will be allowed to do... ( Hpl hard surface lanes vs soft grippy lanes)..Big asymmetric equipment rolls better with more oil... Depending on the part of the country you bowl..... I don't think there's enough oil to get the maximum benefits of the balls ability.... Which introduces The unlimited amount of ball surface adjustments that need to be made to compensate..... Think about it
@fliboimoney4 күн бұрын
Quick experiment Rob, just for the theory of motion.. Maybe try increasing the length of the oil and volume.... To Reduce the back end distance.... (Goal: DECREASE the COEFFICIENT OF FRICTION) Purpose: see if the extra spin time from More oil will allow the ball to overflare like you're thinking. We all know the ball will only change direction once it hits friction... So my thought is It will flare like you're thinking... But then are the lanes really playable????
@jerrycasper6145 күн бұрын
Really like these videos. Just wish someone would make them for us low speed, low rev bowlers. This is a good expllanation of the diffrence but find it hard to relate to the way I bowl.
@Robertsmithbowling3 күн бұрын
Thanks I’ll work one in for you all
@jerrycasper6142 күн бұрын
@@Robertsmithbowling Thanks. I've been bowling forever it seems but never achieved anything near your revs or speed. At best, I'm 40% of your rev rate and about 1/2 the speed or less. I watch bowling ball manufacturers videos on their new releases but it's hard to know whether or not a ball would be good in my small arsenal. Virtually all new releases are shown being thrown by the likes of E.J. Only Radical, with their throwbot, and Hammer, with a young woman throwing, give me any idea how the new ball would help me. Even watching comparisons of symmetric and asymmetric balls tends to confuse me because, often, I really can't see much difference. Your explanation was the best I've heard. Appreciate your taking the ime to develop and film your videos. Hope to see you more often on the 50 tour step-ladder final videos.
@mikes14305 күн бұрын
Awesome explanation between asym and sym cores and flare.
@vance8366 күн бұрын
Too bad Mo Pinel wasnt still around. Be willing to bet he would have an explanation on this. Great video Robert! As a high rev guy myself this tells me a lot.
@mhoward60736 күн бұрын
As Mo told me all balls are Asymmetrical after drilling…
@leaguebowler6 күн бұрын
That's the point I was going to make. kzread.info/dash/bejne/pGaqmZp_gMu7g6g.html The symmetric did the same as the asym. It flared until reaching the PSA. Which is in the thumb for the symmetric ball.
@sharmainebrown5396 күн бұрын
Which phone is good for dry lings
@eXploital7 күн бұрын
What happens if you place the mass bias really close to your thumb on asyms? Wouldn't it make more sense so it will stop rev before rolling over your thumb? With an higher track flare it would make sense wont it?
@aalkhoori17 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for this informative video 👍🏻👏🏻💐
@enigmazero86247 күн бұрын
I’m no Robert Smith but I’ve got a few revs. For years I’ve always had all kinds of problems with most asyms just puking on the back end. Recently I’ve started messing with some trick layouts to try to reduce the flare and I’ve found some success.
@justinhoward21087 күн бұрын
Same here, my asyms seem to die out and roll out on the back-end, and it takes me manipulating my release to delay when it hits the point of roll-out. On the flip side I leave 6 or 7 9 pins/practice session with my symmetricals. 😆
@mikewrobel28818 күн бұрын
My ball speed on screen is 11 mph. My 0V8 Captiv8 provides nice length and response to friction, while I see little motion from my Brutal Collison. Both are about 40x5x25. Wondering if the asymmetrical ball burns up? Looking for a ball with same motion as the Captiv8 but reads earlier for when the Captiv8 comes in behind the head pin. Suggestions?
@Snacky38 күн бұрын
great video! gives great insight when thinking about what ball to use .
@pc5748 күн бұрын
One the Widow, isn't your MB locator in an earlier hooking but less flaring location?
@mhoward60736 күн бұрын
That looks pretty close to the highest flaring(flippy)MB location
@on1st8 күн бұрын
What is the channel you refer to at the beginning? I can’t make out exactly what you are saying?
@ryandaugherty99248 күн бұрын
Veritasium
@TraumaER8 күн бұрын
I don't understand why the rings are on the right side of the grip and not left? So confused LOL!
@rogercarlson23308 күн бұрын
question whats your pap and layout?
@kevinanderson90938 күн бұрын
What was the layouts you used on the big time, the chill? Ok have the same problem you do with the traditional layouts. Really enjoyed the video
@dijigo15879 күн бұрын
Absolutely fascinating video Robert. Thank you so much for making it. Also, wishing you every success on the PBA50 Tour. Would love to you in some live action competition. All the best!
@JSBowling20119 күн бұрын
Nice video Bob, but… When are you going back on the PBA 50? We need you to get that title!, Jim
@brianlevandowski31679 күн бұрын
So is that why lot of tour guys are putting the mass bias 6 inches from pap, and they said so they don't stop. Also EJ does a basic neutral layout on his stuff maybe for that reason.
@remington14399 күн бұрын
Thanks Robert’ that was a very great video on asymmetric balls
@scottsmail3699 күн бұрын
Unrelated directly to the video, but I noticed you use an oval grip for one finger and a lift grip for the other. Curious as to why?
@RobertSmith-dk1yx9 күн бұрын
Finger shape and flexibility. Middle is oval. Ring finder is more round and bends more.
@mikekatim54149 күн бұрын
Robert you get another same ball n lay out pin down what is the ball reaction can you do it
@avos59 күн бұрын
I was just thinking about this recently too, glad i wasnt the only one
@dennismcclintock31549 күн бұрын
One of the best informative videos on basic bowling ball stuff that no one ever talks about in depth. Most of the other videos just discuss the ball and motion which is understandable. But thus by far blows everything out of the water completely so informative and definitely will help anyone with these types of balls no matter the brand. Thus definitely helps pick an arsenal for their type of bowling and lane condition really makes ya think about what balls you have or even what you are planning to get. Whether it is a pearl or solid symmetrical or Asymmetrical puts a lot of idiosyncrasies into play ROBERT KUDOS to you ON A GREAT VIDEO you have now made more sense to me on the depiction of what is what and why Thank you ❤❤👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸 look forward to next video and keep em coming
@joedirte65259 күн бұрын
I noticed my symmetricals hooked more. Great video Robert.
@newbloodink9 күн бұрын
This was probably one of the best sym v asym videos I've seen
@thebigeasy86099 күн бұрын
Very interesting.
@rb8bowls9 күн бұрын
Very cool insights! Would love to see someone with a more technical degree work with you on a follow up!
@lockedonlaw9 күн бұрын
Big Assymetrical balls are made for heavy oil so the ball will roll early and roll out. In other words, you are exactly correct.
@rtgirard9 күн бұрын
Very, very interesting. Thanks Bob!
@surfboardshack33279 күн бұрын
Website says 5-6” of total flare but his flares almost the entire ball 😂 some people are just built different.
@steveviau-ui6jg9 күн бұрын
Great information, keep up the videos your the best!
@shanehelm15709 күн бұрын
Great vid
@spencehayashi27729 күн бұрын
What an informational video and it opens my eyes as to the on lane behavioral difference between the two types of balls. Thanks Robert. 2 thumbs up
@ronsullivan23089 күн бұрын
I think the symmetrical ball u need to kick the cg under the thumb so ur flare rings don't roll over the thumb I think a neutral layout will make the ball roll better not track as high
@byronfranek27069 күн бұрын
The intermediate diff has the effect of creating a decorrelation between the spherical surface of the ball and the axis migration path (RG plane that intersects the PAP). There are other factors such as weighted flip blocks as well. Imagine a perfectly circular highway. (the axis migration path on an undrilled symmetrical ball) And a car (the PAP) that travels at a constant 60mph (RG value) along that curve from a defined start point A to a defined end point B. (core precession caused by the total diff) The car will take a specific amount of time to travel that distance, and will do so at a very even pace. Now imagine a shortcut across the middle of the circle from point A to point B. (the aforementioned decorrelation, or asymmetry, represented by the intermediate diff created by a drilled thumbhole) The car will get from point A to point B faster along the shortcut, even though it is still moving at 60mph. Bowling balls with higher int diff values will have greater surface to path decorrelation and thus a more significant "shortcut" from A to B. This shortcut results in wider spacing between the track flares, a rapid increase in traction and torque, and faster conversion to roll. This results in the hook and stop motion for high rev players with big asymms. Symms tend to be more continuous because the pin-to-spin-line is between the pin and thumbhole (far from the intitial PAP) and with a much lower value than big asymms. TLDR: the shape and orientation of the axis migration path relative to the PAP affects ball motion. I think Nick's ball is rolling over the thumbhole probably because he usually has the pin positioned quite high relative to the grip. This moves the lower bowtie closer to the thumbhole, so large flaring balls will tend to roll over the thumb on the backend.
@remington14399 күн бұрын
I like the explanation & experienced that you have to put the explanation of the Asymmetrical & symmetrical ball rotation. Thank you. Oh btw’ I do bowl good & have a high avg @ 198 and 10 for tilt @ 390-410. But I never had it broke down to me. Thanks,appreciate it…oh yeah I have better performance with strong symmetrical balls, but still have asymmetrical also.
@ianwilliams16399 күн бұрын
Great video. Definitely helped me understand why I hated asyms when I was younger lol.
@BigBlockRick-gy6ym11 күн бұрын
Hey Max…when you through a “low flare” ball it’s not low flare When I through one it is….lol
@jamesbondinspector12 күн бұрын
That’s how I learned as a 12 year old in the 70’s. I picked bowling up again last year and I’ve been confused with all the different ways people instruct. Everything from releasing with hand under the ball to whipping the hand/wrist. I’m glad to see your video. Thanks!
@JohnMiller-yi4fu13 күн бұрын
Great video. Glad I found your channel. Big fan of yours. I'm getting back into the sport after years of injury, etc. It's been a really great process as I'm able to have my teenage sons bowl with me and learn the sport. My oldest just rolled a 264 on Sunday. He had the front 9. Anyway, glad to see you're still at it and I can't wait to watch your videos and hope to see you on TV. Best wishes to you.
@ttlumreal14 күн бұрын
Helped my game a huge ton! Broke my PB by a hell lot just from one tip alone from this! Thank you so much Maximum Bob! Have been a fan and always will be! Hope to see you one day to thank you for this! 😊
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Interesting song Mr Smith. 😊
Awesome video! Great explanation.
So thats why belmo only uses symmetrical stuff
Without a question, the absolute best Asym vs. Sym video I have ever seen. And, it opened my eyes to why I tend to steer away from Asym balls, especially higher diff & intermediate pieces (unless they're pearl and longer by design). Lower diff and intermediate Asym pieces work well for me, though. This was rad! Well done, brother!
Great channel and so much information
This was very well explained and very much enjoyed. I will be returning to look this over.
good one sir. if ya need 70 to 80 degree on a high inter, diff ball flares the whole ball for high rev rate player
Drilled mine 5inch and it hooks sooo much. Never had to stand so far left. Wirks very well with my nu blue
I think the amount of oil that proprietors are using verse the surface of the lanes is a bigger issue that we DONT talk about... Bowling ball technology has expanded so much (The lanes can't keep up) as a PRO you know Lane surface will dictate a lot of what the ball will be allowed to do... ( Hpl hard surface lanes vs soft grippy lanes)..Big asymmetric equipment rolls better with more oil... Depending on the part of the country you bowl..... I don't think there's enough oil to get the maximum benefits of the balls ability.... Which introduces The unlimited amount of ball surface adjustments that need to be made to compensate..... Think about it
Quick experiment Rob, just for the theory of motion.. Maybe try increasing the length of the oil and volume.... To Reduce the back end distance.... (Goal: DECREASE the COEFFICIENT OF FRICTION) Purpose: see if the extra spin time from More oil will allow the ball to overflare like you're thinking. We all know the ball will only change direction once it hits friction... So my thought is It will flare like you're thinking... But then are the lanes really playable????
Really like these videos. Just wish someone would make them for us low speed, low rev bowlers. This is a good expllanation of the diffrence but find it hard to relate to the way I bowl.
Thanks I’ll work one in for you all
@@Robertsmithbowling Thanks. I've been bowling forever it seems but never achieved anything near your revs or speed. At best, I'm 40% of your rev rate and about 1/2 the speed or less. I watch bowling ball manufacturers videos on their new releases but it's hard to know whether or not a ball would be good in my small arsenal. Virtually all new releases are shown being thrown by the likes of E.J. Only Radical, with their throwbot, and Hammer, with a young woman throwing, give me any idea how the new ball would help me. Even watching comparisons of symmetric and asymmetric balls tends to confuse me because, often, I really can't see much difference. Your explanation was the best I've heard. Appreciate your taking the ime to develop and film your videos. Hope to see you more often on the 50 tour step-ladder final videos.
Awesome explanation between asym and sym cores and flare.
Too bad Mo Pinel wasnt still around. Be willing to bet he would have an explanation on this. Great video Robert! As a high rev guy myself this tells me a lot.
As Mo told me all balls are Asymmetrical after drilling…
That's the point I was going to make. kzread.info/dash/bejne/pGaqmZp_gMu7g6g.html The symmetric did the same as the asym. It flared until reaching the PSA. Which is in the thumb for the symmetric ball.
Which phone is good for dry lings
What happens if you place the mass bias really close to your thumb on asyms? Wouldn't it make more sense so it will stop rev before rolling over your thumb? With an higher track flare it would make sense wont it?
Thank you so much for this informative video 👍🏻👏🏻💐
I’m no Robert Smith but I’ve got a few revs. For years I’ve always had all kinds of problems with most asyms just puking on the back end. Recently I’ve started messing with some trick layouts to try to reduce the flare and I’ve found some success.
Same here, my asyms seem to die out and roll out on the back-end, and it takes me manipulating my release to delay when it hits the point of roll-out. On the flip side I leave 6 or 7 9 pins/practice session with my symmetricals. 😆
My ball speed on screen is 11 mph. My 0V8 Captiv8 provides nice length and response to friction, while I see little motion from my Brutal Collison. Both are about 40x5x25. Wondering if the asymmetrical ball burns up? Looking for a ball with same motion as the Captiv8 but reads earlier for when the Captiv8 comes in behind the head pin. Suggestions?
great video! gives great insight when thinking about what ball to use .
One the Widow, isn't your MB locator in an earlier hooking but less flaring location?
That looks pretty close to the highest flaring(flippy)MB location
What is the channel you refer to at the beginning? I can’t make out exactly what you are saying?
Veritasium
I don't understand why the rings are on the right side of the grip and not left? So confused LOL!
question whats your pap and layout?
What was the layouts you used on the big time, the chill? Ok have the same problem you do with the traditional layouts. Really enjoyed the video
Absolutely fascinating video Robert. Thank you so much for making it. Also, wishing you every success on the PBA50 Tour. Would love to you in some live action competition. All the best!
Nice video Bob, but… When are you going back on the PBA 50? We need you to get that title!, Jim
So is that why lot of tour guys are putting the mass bias 6 inches from pap, and they said so they don't stop. Also EJ does a basic neutral layout on his stuff maybe for that reason.
Thanks Robert’ that was a very great video on asymmetric balls
Unrelated directly to the video, but I noticed you use an oval grip for one finger and a lift grip for the other. Curious as to why?
Finger shape and flexibility. Middle is oval. Ring finder is more round and bends more.
Robert you get another same ball n lay out pin down what is the ball reaction can you do it
I was just thinking about this recently too, glad i wasnt the only one
One of the best informative videos on basic bowling ball stuff that no one ever talks about in depth. Most of the other videos just discuss the ball and motion which is understandable. But thus by far blows everything out of the water completely so informative and definitely will help anyone with these types of balls no matter the brand. Thus definitely helps pick an arsenal for their type of bowling and lane condition really makes ya think about what balls you have or even what you are planning to get. Whether it is a pearl or solid symmetrical or Asymmetrical puts a lot of idiosyncrasies into play ROBERT KUDOS to you ON A GREAT VIDEO you have now made more sense to me on the depiction of what is what and why Thank you ❤❤👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸 look forward to next video and keep em coming
I noticed my symmetricals hooked more. Great video Robert.
This was probably one of the best sym v asym videos I've seen
Very interesting.
Very cool insights! Would love to see someone with a more technical degree work with you on a follow up!
Big Assymetrical balls are made for heavy oil so the ball will roll early and roll out. In other words, you are exactly correct.
Very, very interesting. Thanks Bob!
Website says 5-6” of total flare but his flares almost the entire ball 😂 some people are just built different.
Great information, keep up the videos your the best!
Great vid
What an informational video and it opens my eyes as to the on lane behavioral difference between the two types of balls. Thanks Robert. 2 thumbs up
I think the symmetrical ball u need to kick the cg under the thumb so ur flare rings don't roll over the thumb I think a neutral layout will make the ball roll better not track as high
The intermediate diff has the effect of creating a decorrelation between the spherical surface of the ball and the axis migration path (RG plane that intersects the PAP). There are other factors such as weighted flip blocks as well. Imagine a perfectly circular highway. (the axis migration path on an undrilled symmetrical ball) And a car (the PAP) that travels at a constant 60mph (RG value) along that curve from a defined start point A to a defined end point B. (core precession caused by the total diff) The car will take a specific amount of time to travel that distance, and will do so at a very even pace. Now imagine a shortcut across the middle of the circle from point A to point B. (the aforementioned decorrelation, or asymmetry, represented by the intermediate diff created by a drilled thumbhole) The car will get from point A to point B faster along the shortcut, even though it is still moving at 60mph. Bowling balls with higher int diff values will have greater surface to path decorrelation and thus a more significant "shortcut" from A to B. This shortcut results in wider spacing between the track flares, a rapid increase in traction and torque, and faster conversion to roll. This results in the hook and stop motion for high rev players with big asymms. Symms tend to be more continuous because the pin-to-spin-line is between the pin and thumbhole (far from the intitial PAP) and with a much lower value than big asymms. TLDR: the shape and orientation of the axis migration path relative to the PAP affects ball motion. I think Nick's ball is rolling over the thumbhole probably because he usually has the pin positioned quite high relative to the grip. This moves the lower bowtie closer to the thumbhole, so large flaring balls will tend to roll over the thumb on the backend.
I like the explanation & experienced that you have to put the explanation of the Asymmetrical & symmetrical ball rotation. Thank you. Oh btw’ I do bowl good & have a high avg @ 198 and 10 for tilt @ 390-410. But I never had it broke down to me. Thanks,appreciate it…oh yeah I have better performance with strong symmetrical balls, but still have asymmetrical also.
Great video. Definitely helped me understand why I hated asyms when I was younger lol.
Hey Max…when you through a “low flare” ball it’s not low flare When I through one it is….lol
That’s how I learned as a 12 year old in the 70’s. I picked bowling up again last year and I’ve been confused with all the different ways people instruct. Everything from releasing with hand under the ball to whipping the hand/wrist. I’m glad to see your video. Thanks!
Great video. Glad I found your channel. Big fan of yours. I'm getting back into the sport after years of injury, etc. It's been a really great process as I'm able to have my teenage sons bowl with me and learn the sport. My oldest just rolled a 264 on Sunday. He had the front 9. Anyway, glad to see you're still at it and I can't wait to watch your videos and hope to see you on TV. Best wishes to you.
Helped my game a huge ton! Broke my PB by a hell lot just from one tip alone from this! Thank you so much Maximum Bob! Have been a fan and always will be! Hope to see you one day to thank you for this! 😊