The fights that were cut from “ROTS” are dope asssf
@justin23084 сағат бұрын
I actually cared about Finn and was ready to see him come out on top against Kylo in that fight. I was and still am thoroughly disappointed that it was given to Rey instead. Finn actually had a whole arc, from a stormtrooper seen as nothing to a hero of the Resistance, he was even the first to ignite and try using that saber in the film. I would’ve been way more emotionally invested in the duel if it’d gone like that.
@donovanrose99405 сағат бұрын
A WWII carbine or AK47 would be more effective than any of the star wars weapons.
@jamesofallthings36846 сағат бұрын
Let's talk about the actual reason they suck now. The directors have ZERO interest in and/or support for creating a GOOD film. The sole concern is pushing propaganda and it's gotten so bad that they've forgotten propaganda is most effective when it's subtle and enjoyable to watch. So they fail at both because we've regressed into full idiocracy.
@m.moffat8 сағат бұрын
Ngl I think the only good sequel trilogy fight is Finn vs Kylo in ep7. I mean the setting is actually rly cool and at least for the characters it feels natural (or to the extent they can be with Disney) It makes sense that Finn is kinda shit at lightsaber combat, because he was only a stormtrooper. It kinda feels in character that Kylo would match his level of combat to kinda toy with Finn given his emotional state and arrogance. On top of that it has a decent emotional standpoint. It’s similar to Obi Wan vs Maul in ep1, with Finn knowing that he’s outclassed in every metric yet still fighting to avenge/protect his friend. Idk just felt like the only saber fight in the trilogy with any real substance.
@VestedUTuber12 сағат бұрын
So, regarding the pinnacle of lightsaber duels... is it telling that I feel that various fan film groups have managed to build on top of the foundations established by Star Wars, and in turn surpass official media? Because as good as the Theed City duel or Anakin vs Obi-Wan were, I find myself actually preferring fan-made duels like RvB2, Sith Tradition, Childs' Play, Ferocity, Duel of the Dorks and To The Death over even the best of the official duels.
@VestedUTuber13 сағат бұрын
Ok, regarding going fast, fun fact I learned... TPM's duel in Theed City was filmed using high framerate cameras to allow the scene to be slowed down, because Ray Park, Liam Neison and Ewan McGreggor managed to practice that duel sequence to the point where they were moving so fast, George Lucas was worried the scene would look unrealistic. So what we actually see in TPM is _slowed down,_ which can explain some of the weirdness with that particular duel.
@drkushajagadeesh634715 сағат бұрын
Because if Kylo Ren (Adam Driver), who is an ex-marine in real life, went all out on his fight, Rey Palpatine would die. Hence, the tone down.....
@1Bean1Күн бұрын
Any opinion on how blade on blade clashes now have sparks? Where before in the prequels and the OT they did not? I saw one fan wrote that he haaaaaaaaates that now, and after I read his comment and noticed it, I agree (the sparks are also now in the tv shows). Maybe not hate, but why not keep the sparks for only when the blades hit non-blade things (like in the prequels and OT)? It's similar to what you mentioned about cuts, now there's too many cuts, and now there's too many sparks (like, with every smack). It sort of takes the drama out of it. Now I feel even worse, bringing up yet another thing wrong with why lightsabers suck now. Can you do a follow up after the Acolyte releases? I want to know what you think of saber fights that were released after you made this video.
@SurnaturalMКүн бұрын
My favourite dual is in the return of the jedi, Luke vs Darth Vader. Not spectacular, but a lot of emotions.
@jwzjwz2003cnКүн бұрын
Disney nerfed the lightsaber too much. There are all sorts of rare metal plates, staff, sword that can block a lightsaber. Then they also conveniently added force powers to block lightsaber swings. The lightsaber fight was thrilling before because it was not fault tolerant, one mistake could end the fight instantly.
@bannedforeasyclaps25642 күн бұрын
bro did not need to flashbang us like that
@ElementarH._Neos2 күн бұрын
that japanese prolog between vader and kenobi was hilarious
@Squizzle_Kid2 күн бұрын
The original 3 Star Wars movies had the best fights for me cos there was so much more tension and feeling to the way they swing the lightsabers
@thegamingcook7852 күн бұрын
I just hate how the sequel fights look like a bunch of kids fighting with sticks. There is no unique forms, or fighting styles
@MorifinweCarnistir2 күн бұрын
Hayden used the lightsaber with so much hate I was wondering if he already switched to the dark side.
@gryph0n553 күн бұрын
I do wanna point out, anyone saying “the new fights make it look like they are swinging baseball bats” should probably watch Return of the Jedi again, specifically the opening, because in the entirety of Star Wars there is no instance of a character looking more like they’re just swinging a baseball bat than Luke on the barge once he gets his saber from R2, that looks FAR more like someone just wildly swinging a bat around than ANYTHING in the ST. In fact several points in the Luke vs Vader duel in the end also have Luke or Vader swinging their saber in a way much more reminiscent of a blunt weapon than a sword. So this is not a new issue unique to the ST by any means. I would also argue that the ST specifically features two novice saber users who would naturally not have a super refined saber form and would use them more unwieldy, and Kylo Ren who has a saber designed like a broadsword so again kinda meant to be more of a sluggish high impact momentum based combat style as opposed to the rapid multi-strike style you got out of the PT. And I’d like to add one more element to new sabers I personally like but is really based on preference for how you want sabers to be, their interactions with things. In the ST and the Disney shows when a saber hits something there is so much more impact and it feels like it’s doing way more damage. Like you see Obi-Wan’s saber striking a stormtrooper’s armor and there’s this explosion of sparks and the armor shatters and splinters off, it imo does more to illustrate the damage of a saber as opposed to it just searing through something. You can also see this effect in environment interactions, when Obi-Wan and Anakin are dueling through that hallway at the start of the Mustafar fight their sabers keep hitting the walls but they’re kinda just grazing through them with no real resistance (which we do see Sabers have resistance cutting through material, like Qui-Gon on the blast door in TPM), whereas in the forest duel in TFA when Rey or Kylo swing through a tree trunk you see this almost blast through it as the tree splinters and embers shoot out, it really sells this sense of energy and impact coming from it (which a lot of people don’t seem to understand that impact is actually a pretty substantial part of how actual swords function, they aren’t just cutting). Again this is kind of a preference thing but imo it conveys more power to each individual strike of a saber.
@therealjesuschrist91603 күн бұрын
Phantom Menace rereleases this week! Taking my 4 year old daughter!!! (I never got to see it in theaters, I was 2 but that’s no excuse)
@jkili40703 күн бұрын
7:27 Truer words have never been spoken
@GraveEnd3 күн бұрын
Actually star wars characters probably can move really fast like some anime characters plus some ppl scale the upper limits of some star wars characters to be planet level
@cyanid33113 күн бұрын
The speed ramp thing that you mentiond ... really cool catch btw ... anime does that a lot its called "building aniticipation" before the pay off aka Antic ...ironically its one of The principles of animation based on the work of animators at Disney since the 1930s
@NotSentient3 күн бұрын
I dont care if some say new lightsaber duels are more realistic. Its a intire space universe. A little fantasy is fine. The new duels just dont have that touch
@desmondchoo31863 күн бұрын
Good job!
@I.D.I.O.C.R.A.C.Y.3 күн бұрын
Honestly, I still think the throne room fight in TLJ was one of my favorite combat scenes in any movie.
@aaronforsythe85564 күн бұрын
Equilibrium breaks everything you say and it was great
@someone-ji2zb4 күн бұрын
When phantom menace came out, it was actually heavily criticized by viewers for being too long of a duel at the end.
@weareharbinger9144 күн бұрын
Personally, the new ones are crap for two weapons, one, threat treat lightsabers like swords, and i mean that they have weight and require tons of strength, but a lightsaber is nearly weightless and its strength is that a graze could be the end of the fight. Second is: Lightsabers are not lethal anymore most of the time. there is no weight of risk. A good summary is the anakin vs ahsoka fight, Hayden obvious is way, way better, he actively has to slow down and complete whole moves as if he was swinging 3kg of steel for ahsoka to have a chance. She wins and it feels completely unearned.
@destructodisk90744 күн бұрын
My how the times have changed. When the prequels came out, they were made fun of for the saber duels. I actually remember seeing shows on TV at the time where they had people who were trained in real medieval sword fighting explaining why the prequel duels were so ridiculous and unrealistic. The Darth Maul fight was a little fun but also a little over the top and silly, but after Menace, it just kept getting worse, by the time Yoda was dueling, it was over.. people were literally busting out laughing in the theater. I saw some people walk out of the movie at that point. I still don't quite understand how some people today are saying the prequels are good movies. I guess nostalgia for people that were really young at the time? The dialog is unbearable, and acting terrible, of course by Hayden, but also a lot of other cast members as well. And then the characters, Ani and Jar Jar.. Watto. The alien diplomats.. It's like they took the worst parts of ROTJ and just made a whole prequel trilogy in that style. I feel bad this gen has to suffer the worst writing in TV and cinema history, to the point they think Game of Thrones is a master piece.. with it's cheap "You didn't see that coming" gimmicks and cliffhanger chapter endings of a 7th graders reading catalog. Of course, cue the raunchy scenes and ultra violence to appeal to the lowest common denominator edge lord garbage, and you have yourself a masterpiece lol. Then that formula has been passed to every franchise going forward, to the point even the legendary Star Trek franchise renowned for it's deep and thoughtful writing, making you question your morals and how the universe works.. has now turned to this mush. I guess in that light and growing up on that.. yeah the prequels do seem decent.
@thewatchmanstudios62575 күн бұрын
The prequel lightsaber badges were awful. So perfectly choreographed there was never any real sense of danger
@Danderlion5 күн бұрын
Gii
@Danderlion5 күн бұрын
😂
@Danderlion5 күн бұрын
Uo
@Danderlion5 күн бұрын
Hhhh
@riordian25 күн бұрын
yeah, I get your point, but you kinda lost me when you started to make anime comparisons, how is love action and animation comparison valid? If your video was about the animated star wars, then ok, but bruh, this argument is just plain stupid
@sirensong2375 күн бұрын
It doesn’t “suck”, it’s just different.. the New Republic jedi are worse than the Old Republic jedi, and that is due to losing the knowledge of Jedi tradition and training/experience.. these newer aged force welders haven’t had to deal with Jedi training or the sith for decades.. Leia alone was only in her twenties when Palpatine was defeated.. now she’s in her fifties.. the Jedi have died out, so have the sith, for over 30 years.. it’s just canon
@randyroo25 күн бұрын
TBH I just love Anakins fighting style in Clone wars and 3. Pre Vader. He fights like an unbeatable boss always advancing, pushing and pursuing his enemy its a really entertaining fighting style to watch.
@Ahdokobo5 күн бұрын
I’m glad you brought up how Ewan and Hayden just seemed to love their sword fighting. When you watch the behind the scenes, you can tell they really enjoyed the process and wanted to make it as cool as they could but make it dramatic too. This goes for the Darth Maul fight, you can tell they were enjoying it and planned it out. Like, Ray Park and Ewan Mcgregor are insane in that duel in the Phantom Menace. While the new actors may be fans, but they don’t love it like ones before them. Ewan Mcgregor’s family has been part of Star Wars since his uncle, I think, was in original trilogy as a pilot. It’s a difference in passion, and I think the people making Star Wars have lost the passion for duels and other things, but I think their making a comeback and will bring more entertaining shows and movies going forward.
@rakz0r6 күн бұрын
Nah Darth Mual vs Obi Wan is good but Duel if the heroes solos
@airwarorg6 күн бұрын
Star Wars was never about light sabers, blue milk, Boba Fett, or Baby Yoda
@plowe67516 күн бұрын
Duels are stupid. Why not just get the job done with a better weapon and a better strategy?
@synthguy77746 күн бұрын
It makes sense considering that the Jedi Academy fell.
@AsherHelsel-nt2lp7 күн бұрын
The key difference is that despite Kilo being taught by Luke who was taught by Yoda how to fight, all characters in the sequels just swing as hard as they possibly can whereas the in the prequels had the actors train for months and months to the point where they had to slow down the obi wan/maul fight in post
@GeneralKenobiYouAreABold17 күн бұрын
I’d argue that the original trilogy has worse lightsaber duals than the sequels.
@StandOnScripture7 күн бұрын
Darkside Maul lives after being chopped in half, light side Quigon died by a stab in the belly. HMMM
@Bodhiscott227 күн бұрын
I honestly thought the battle between obi wan and Anikin on mustifar. The obi wan and qui gon was really good I just prefer the script on mustifar
@Bodhiscott227 күн бұрын
The death note pen scene is like the final battle of obi wan and anakin on mustifar
@Hydrice8 күн бұрын
Akikan vs obi one in revenge of the sith better that duel of fates imo
@teenager_cy8 күн бұрын
Star Wars anime: 3:10
@user-xz5ji4oj6h9 күн бұрын
Any of yall agree its just the choreography that sucks?
@user-df1pp6uq4o10 күн бұрын
I agree light saber duels are bad now, but I was born during the sequel trilogy so you would be like oh why do you think they stink now because they do I love the fast pace the speed of the prequel rules and it’s just like they were so fast and elegant And they lost that Disney took over
@hrngry10 күн бұрын
Idk but the example you made for "Anime leap" in Star Wars somehow looked *WAAAY* too good.. 💀😂🤷🏻♀️ 3:10
@mechamedeamigo398410 күн бұрын
I would absolutely love to see how an old character would fight against Rey, like idk Windu or fucking Dooku. Just so we could have a better idea of the gap between them.
@SavouryGalette10 күн бұрын
I can just imagine TurfNation watching this video for the first time and losing his shit.
Пікірлер
The fights that were cut from “ROTS” are dope asssf
I actually cared about Finn and was ready to see him come out on top against Kylo in that fight. I was and still am thoroughly disappointed that it was given to Rey instead. Finn actually had a whole arc, from a stormtrooper seen as nothing to a hero of the Resistance, he was even the first to ignite and try using that saber in the film. I would’ve been way more emotionally invested in the duel if it’d gone like that.
A WWII carbine or AK47 would be more effective than any of the star wars weapons.
Let's talk about the actual reason they suck now. The directors have ZERO interest in and/or support for creating a GOOD film. The sole concern is pushing propaganda and it's gotten so bad that they've forgotten propaganda is most effective when it's subtle and enjoyable to watch. So they fail at both because we've regressed into full idiocracy.
Ngl I think the only good sequel trilogy fight is Finn vs Kylo in ep7. I mean the setting is actually rly cool and at least for the characters it feels natural (or to the extent they can be with Disney) It makes sense that Finn is kinda shit at lightsaber combat, because he was only a stormtrooper. It kinda feels in character that Kylo would match his level of combat to kinda toy with Finn given his emotional state and arrogance. On top of that it has a decent emotional standpoint. It’s similar to Obi Wan vs Maul in ep1, with Finn knowing that he’s outclassed in every metric yet still fighting to avenge/protect his friend. Idk just felt like the only saber fight in the trilogy with any real substance.
So, regarding the pinnacle of lightsaber duels... is it telling that I feel that various fan film groups have managed to build on top of the foundations established by Star Wars, and in turn surpass official media? Because as good as the Theed City duel or Anakin vs Obi-Wan were, I find myself actually preferring fan-made duels like RvB2, Sith Tradition, Childs' Play, Ferocity, Duel of the Dorks and To The Death over even the best of the official duels.
Ok, regarding going fast, fun fact I learned... TPM's duel in Theed City was filmed using high framerate cameras to allow the scene to be slowed down, because Ray Park, Liam Neison and Ewan McGreggor managed to practice that duel sequence to the point where they were moving so fast, George Lucas was worried the scene would look unrealistic. So what we actually see in TPM is _slowed down,_ which can explain some of the weirdness with that particular duel.
Because if Kylo Ren (Adam Driver), who is an ex-marine in real life, went all out on his fight, Rey Palpatine would die. Hence, the tone down.....
Any opinion on how blade on blade clashes now have sparks? Where before in the prequels and the OT they did not? I saw one fan wrote that he haaaaaaaaates that now, and after I read his comment and noticed it, I agree (the sparks are also now in the tv shows). Maybe not hate, but why not keep the sparks for only when the blades hit non-blade things (like in the prequels and OT)? It's similar to what you mentioned about cuts, now there's too many cuts, and now there's too many sparks (like, with every smack). It sort of takes the drama out of it. Now I feel even worse, bringing up yet another thing wrong with why lightsabers suck now. Can you do a follow up after the Acolyte releases? I want to know what you think of saber fights that were released after you made this video.
My favourite dual is in the return of the jedi, Luke vs Darth Vader. Not spectacular, but a lot of emotions.
Disney nerfed the lightsaber too much. There are all sorts of rare metal plates, staff, sword that can block a lightsaber. Then they also conveniently added force powers to block lightsaber swings. The lightsaber fight was thrilling before because it was not fault tolerant, one mistake could end the fight instantly.
bro did not need to flashbang us like that
that japanese prolog between vader and kenobi was hilarious
The original 3 Star Wars movies had the best fights for me cos there was so much more tension and feeling to the way they swing the lightsabers
I just hate how the sequel fights look like a bunch of kids fighting with sticks. There is no unique forms, or fighting styles
Hayden used the lightsaber with so much hate I was wondering if he already switched to the dark side.
I do wanna point out, anyone saying “the new fights make it look like they are swinging baseball bats” should probably watch Return of the Jedi again, specifically the opening, because in the entirety of Star Wars there is no instance of a character looking more like they’re just swinging a baseball bat than Luke on the barge once he gets his saber from R2, that looks FAR more like someone just wildly swinging a bat around than ANYTHING in the ST. In fact several points in the Luke vs Vader duel in the end also have Luke or Vader swinging their saber in a way much more reminiscent of a blunt weapon than a sword. So this is not a new issue unique to the ST by any means. I would also argue that the ST specifically features two novice saber users who would naturally not have a super refined saber form and would use them more unwieldy, and Kylo Ren who has a saber designed like a broadsword so again kinda meant to be more of a sluggish high impact momentum based combat style as opposed to the rapid multi-strike style you got out of the PT. And I’d like to add one more element to new sabers I personally like but is really based on preference for how you want sabers to be, their interactions with things. In the ST and the Disney shows when a saber hits something there is so much more impact and it feels like it’s doing way more damage. Like you see Obi-Wan’s saber striking a stormtrooper’s armor and there’s this explosion of sparks and the armor shatters and splinters off, it imo does more to illustrate the damage of a saber as opposed to it just searing through something. You can also see this effect in environment interactions, when Obi-Wan and Anakin are dueling through that hallway at the start of the Mustafar fight their sabers keep hitting the walls but they’re kinda just grazing through them with no real resistance (which we do see Sabers have resistance cutting through material, like Qui-Gon on the blast door in TPM), whereas in the forest duel in TFA when Rey or Kylo swing through a tree trunk you see this almost blast through it as the tree splinters and embers shoot out, it really sells this sense of energy and impact coming from it (which a lot of people don’t seem to understand that impact is actually a pretty substantial part of how actual swords function, they aren’t just cutting). Again this is kind of a preference thing but imo it conveys more power to each individual strike of a saber.
Phantom Menace rereleases this week! Taking my 4 year old daughter!!! (I never got to see it in theaters, I was 2 but that’s no excuse)
7:27 Truer words have never been spoken
Actually star wars characters probably can move really fast like some anime characters plus some ppl scale the upper limits of some star wars characters to be planet level
The speed ramp thing that you mentiond ... really cool catch btw ... anime does that a lot its called "building aniticipation" before the pay off aka Antic ...ironically its one of The principles of animation based on the work of animators at Disney since the 1930s
I dont care if some say new lightsaber duels are more realistic. Its a intire space universe. A little fantasy is fine. The new duels just dont have that touch
Good job!
Honestly, I still think the throne room fight in TLJ was one of my favorite combat scenes in any movie.
Equilibrium breaks everything you say and it was great
When phantom menace came out, it was actually heavily criticized by viewers for being too long of a duel at the end.
Personally, the new ones are crap for two weapons, one, threat treat lightsabers like swords, and i mean that they have weight and require tons of strength, but a lightsaber is nearly weightless and its strength is that a graze could be the end of the fight. Second is: Lightsabers are not lethal anymore most of the time. there is no weight of risk. A good summary is the anakin vs ahsoka fight, Hayden obvious is way, way better, he actively has to slow down and complete whole moves as if he was swinging 3kg of steel for ahsoka to have a chance. She wins and it feels completely unearned.
My how the times have changed. When the prequels came out, they were made fun of for the saber duels. I actually remember seeing shows on TV at the time where they had people who were trained in real medieval sword fighting explaining why the prequel duels were so ridiculous and unrealistic. The Darth Maul fight was a little fun but also a little over the top and silly, but after Menace, it just kept getting worse, by the time Yoda was dueling, it was over.. people were literally busting out laughing in the theater. I saw some people walk out of the movie at that point. I still don't quite understand how some people today are saying the prequels are good movies. I guess nostalgia for people that were really young at the time? The dialog is unbearable, and acting terrible, of course by Hayden, but also a lot of other cast members as well. And then the characters, Ani and Jar Jar.. Watto. The alien diplomats.. It's like they took the worst parts of ROTJ and just made a whole prequel trilogy in that style. I feel bad this gen has to suffer the worst writing in TV and cinema history, to the point they think Game of Thrones is a master piece.. with it's cheap "You didn't see that coming" gimmicks and cliffhanger chapter endings of a 7th graders reading catalog. Of course, cue the raunchy scenes and ultra violence to appeal to the lowest common denominator edge lord garbage, and you have yourself a masterpiece lol. Then that formula has been passed to every franchise going forward, to the point even the legendary Star Trek franchise renowned for it's deep and thoughtful writing, making you question your morals and how the universe works.. has now turned to this mush. I guess in that light and growing up on that.. yeah the prequels do seem decent.
The prequel lightsaber badges were awful. So perfectly choreographed there was never any real sense of danger
Gii
😂
Uo
Hhhh
yeah, I get your point, but you kinda lost me when you started to make anime comparisons, how is love action and animation comparison valid? If your video was about the animated star wars, then ok, but bruh, this argument is just plain stupid
It doesn’t “suck”, it’s just different.. the New Republic jedi are worse than the Old Republic jedi, and that is due to losing the knowledge of Jedi tradition and training/experience.. these newer aged force welders haven’t had to deal with Jedi training or the sith for decades.. Leia alone was only in her twenties when Palpatine was defeated.. now she’s in her fifties.. the Jedi have died out, so have the sith, for over 30 years.. it’s just canon
TBH I just love Anakins fighting style in Clone wars and 3. Pre Vader. He fights like an unbeatable boss always advancing, pushing and pursuing his enemy its a really entertaining fighting style to watch.
I’m glad you brought up how Ewan and Hayden just seemed to love their sword fighting. When you watch the behind the scenes, you can tell they really enjoyed the process and wanted to make it as cool as they could but make it dramatic too. This goes for the Darth Maul fight, you can tell they were enjoying it and planned it out. Like, Ray Park and Ewan Mcgregor are insane in that duel in the Phantom Menace. While the new actors may be fans, but they don’t love it like ones before them. Ewan Mcgregor’s family has been part of Star Wars since his uncle, I think, was in original trilogy as a pilot. It’s a difference in passion, and I think the people making Star Wars have lost the passion for duels and other things, but I think their making a comeback and will bring more entertaining shows and movies going forward.
Nah Darth Mual vs Obi Wan is good but Duel if the heroes solos
Star Wars was never about light sabers, blue milk, Boba Fett, or Baby Yoda
Duels are stupid. Why not just get the job done with a better weapon and a better strategy?
It makes sense considering that the Jedi Academy fell.
The key difference is that despite Kilo being taught by Luke who was taught by Yoda how to fight, all characters in the sequels just swing as hard as they possibly can whereas the in the prequels had the actors train for months and months to the point where they had to slow down the obi wan/maul fight in post
I’d argue that the original trilogy has worse lightsaber duals than the sequels.
Darkside Maul lives after being chopped in half, light side Quigon died by a stab in the belly. HMMM
I honestly thought the battle between obi wan and Anikin on mustifar. The obi wan and qui gon was really good I just prefer the script on mustifar
The death note pen scene is like the final battle of obi wan and anakin on mustifar
Akikan vs obi one in revenge of the sith better that duel of fates imo
Star Wars anime: 3:10
Any of yall agree its just the choreography that sucks?
I agree light saber duels are bad now, but I was born during the sequel trilogy so you would be like oh why do you think they stink now because they do I love the fast pace the speed of the prequel rules and it’s just like they were so fast and elegant And they lost that Disney took over
Idk but the example you made for "Anime leap" in Star Wars somehow looked *WAAAY* too good.. 💀😂🤷🏻♀️ 3:10
I would absolutely love to see how an old character would fight against Rey, like idk Windu or fucking Dooku. Just so we could have a better idea of the gap between them.
I can just imagine TurfNation watching this video for the first time and losing his shit.