Whisker biscuit slowing down an arrow is overexagerated, I lost 2 fps on my chrono testing vs a blade rest.. 2fps is so minimal it's not worth talking about.. Im tired of hearing people use the term as if it's a major disadvantage.. truth is a whisker biscuit is all you would ever need.. but people are obsessed with tech on compounds.. a blade or drop away is more tech so people think there automatically better..
@robineervin8633Күн бұрын
I'm a visual learner too
@Justin-i1w2 күн бұрын
I've never done archery before so sorry if this sounds stupid, could you use this technique in a barebow archery contest instead of string walking ?
@TradArchery1012 күн бұрын
Yes you can.
@Justin-i1w2 күн бұрын
Thanks for the reply.@@TradArchery101
@FlameBlue90165 күн бұрын
If you grew up in the 70’s’80 that their parents would try and try and change their dominant hands by trying to train them to be right handed, you know all the old wives tales and all. I’m left handed I was born in 73 so I’m generation X, anyway my mom used to smack my left hand, tie my left hand so could only use my right, she finally gave up, but all of that crap she did made me ambidextrous 😂
@user-lr3mv6vj5o16 күн бұрын
Only have a left eye I shoot left Hand.
@wolfsoldier510523 күн бұрын
Man, there are soo many different kinds of back tension methods! I just watched another video saying NOT to do it this way! It said that your hand and elbow should go back as in like straight behind you...NOT the opposite direction of the arrow...
@TradArchery10123 күн бұрын
Just goes to show you there is more than one way! It could also be wording. I do what I do and it works for me. Do what works for you and stopping worrying about what everyone else says to do!
@bcreed934825 күн бұрын
Sure you're not gap shooting with 3 fingers under and looking down the arrow? Howard Hill shot instinctively with split finger at unknown distances by learning the arc of his arrows.
@TradArchery10125 күн бұрын
Yes and I have a booklet from Howard Hill, in which he says he does NOT shoot instinctive. He used what we call today Split vVision.
@bcreed934825 күн бұрын
@@TradArchery101 got me there. I read Hunting the Hard Way years ago and he did mention his "split vision" technique in the book. I saw Byron Ferguson shoot at a show in the late '80's. He shot split finger instinctive. "Become the Arrow" illustrates his style. He practiced his form with his eyes closed shooting at a bag suspended very close. I guess I'm just old school. I shoot split finger focusing on the spot. I never see my arrow or tip when at full draw. I just love to shoot that way. To me, 3 fingers under and face walking etc bled into archery from the compound techniques. People wanted an easier way to "aim" like they could with a compound. Instinctive archery is not aiming. Did Brett Farvre and Joe Montana "aim" their passes? No. They learned to throw with years of practice (and talent.) I guess I'm a T-Rex. Thanks for posting your video.
@TradArchery10125 күн бұрын
In Byron Ferguson’s video he also states he uses a version of Split vision. I just met him in Alabama at the Howard Hill Classic and we talked about how he aims and he confirmed he uses a version of split vision. Aiming did not come from compounds. People were using aiming techniques long before the compound was made. I have a “How to book” from Ben Pearson, made in 1952 where he describes different ways to aim. Aiming is just another tool. No reason to look down on it.
@bcreed934825 күн бұрын
Whatever. Yes compounds did accelerate use of aiming in so called trad archery. Before only target archers used sights or faux sight ie gap. You have fun with your way, I prefer instinctive with consistent form without knowing distances-especially on aerial targets 😉
@briancullen518328 күн бұрын
You are torquing bow st heavy cant.
@RonKelmell28 күн бұрын
Years 1-3, developed form and strength, Years 4-now, correcting bad habits, Now.....having fun and slowly improving. Archery is more than shooting arrows. Patience, perseverance, mental control, personal satisfaction, are no small elements acquired that can be acquired.
@aranha936528 күн бұрын
I wish I had found this video 3 weeks ago when I started to research about archery. Very confusing watching archery vedeos without knowing what the dude is talking about. When they say "bare shaft", you have to bare shaft, but no one explains what that means. I thought it was the plain naked carbon, nothing else. I think "no fletching" would be a better term😸. Thanks for that, this video is amazing, there is no assumption that the audience already know this or that, everything is explained.
@smoothtrappaАй бұрын
Love the head target lol
@RJ-ss8htАй бұрын
Where can I get that bow
@TradArchery10120 күн бұрын
Hitman Archery
@davidwsmith316Ай бұрын
Thanks, Greg! 😊 The information you shared in this video is awesome! I'm 66 years old and a newbie to archery. I started about 6 months ago by taking lessons, joining an archery club, and buying a 35 lb PSE Nighthawk, which is like a Samick Sage. I depended on the recommendation of the guys at my archery shop and have .600 carbon arrows, cut down 1/2". Your information on arrows is invaluable to me moving forward. I saved your video to my list. I will review it over and over until I have the information down by memory until no part is confusing, and I have a fluent understanding of these concepts! 😊 i just bought a 64" 40 lb. Southwest Archery Spider XL. It comes with a Dacron string. I ordered a 60" D97 Flemish Twist string. I understand D97 is between Dacron and Fast Flight. I will consider all these factors to buy new arrows for my 64" 40 lb. Southwest Archery Spider XL.
@SuperDonald64Ай бұрын
Thx u
@MrJohnjpercivalАй бұрын
Thanks for this, not quite as easy as make it seem. Got there and looking forward to trying them out
@tripplebeards3427Ай бұрын
Just got a new one! Salvation Army find for $20 yesterday. A Ben Pearson BP-H90 7388 45 pound draw. Looks like new ! Got a new one to play with!
@thomasmcguffin2212Ай бұрын
Great info!
@ryanlindsay9576Ай бұрын
I really enjoy your content I'm struggling being right handed but blind in my right eye so I'm shooting lefty ok but I'm struggling finding a set method of shooting style but anyway I like your videos thanks
@davidburgess7412 ай бұрын
A bow not cut to center will induce a bending action due to the rapid change in angle as the arrow accelerates abruptly. A flexible spine and heavy point can only exacerbate the bending action as the string keeps the nock end in the same plane. The point is thrust out away from the limb rapidly causing most of the shaft flex.
@davidburgess7412 ай бұрын
Always kept both eyes open, so I guess I'm an instinctive shooter. Right handed and left eye dominant I fire a rifle left handed. Peep sights never worked for me because of this. I practice what I call Amish compound archery without sights but with a release aid! A left hand bow probably won't work for me because of left shoulder injury. I'll be trying your method and hope you're right. Not doing too badly with both eyes though. Maybe I shoot with some mix of instinctive and gap without having known what this is.
@TheCursedHonestTruth2 ай бұрын
What are "eye dobbins"??? "It all comes down to eye dobbins." ????? Can you enunciate better or record better please?
@TradArchery1012 ай бұрын
So your whole takeaway was that only you so far, could not understand what I said? Well, thanks for sharing!
@WoodyWoodward-vh2vq2 ай бұрын
Great video! Just what I needed to stop thinking about equipment and just shoot until I get consistent groups. Great channel, great advice. Cheers Greg.
@morganconklin88492 ай бұрын
I’m wondering if maybe you’re left handed, but right eye dominant. That’s actually pretty common with people who are left handed, they have to shoot right handed anyway because off their eyes.
@TradArchery1012 ай бұрын
I would encourage you to read up on the “Dominant Eye”. Studies have proven that it can and does switch sides. You can see these studies online. Jake Kaminski, has a video on the subject and he was told at the Olympic training center, medical professionals that the dominant eye is not nearly as important as your “aiming eye” and that they are different.
@morganconklin88492 ай бұрын
We are not here for the cat.
@TradArchery1012 ай бұрын
We?
@draven38382 ай бұрын
So does the 4 fletching fly the same as a 3 fletching arrow of is it slower?
@TradArchery1012 ай бұрын
To many variables to give a conclusive answer. Weight, more than number of feathers will affect speed.
@KevinMillard682 ай бұрын
no one shoots arrows without feathers in the first place so what's the point here and feathers or vanes come on all arrows you buy new unless you order arrow with out any on them or you make you own thats different but other wise everything in the stores and off the shelf already have vanes or feathers tuning is more to do with yes feathers or vanes and the bow your using spin size up front weight of the tip and incert etc.. so your video all it does is prove how bad arrows suck without feathers or vanes and like i said all archers shoot with feathers or vanes even when hunting no one shoots bare arrows ..
@TradArchery1012 ай бұрын
Plenty of people shoot arrows without feathers, it is called "tuning". If you did not get the point, then you were not listening. And no, not all arrows come with feathers and I do not request them not to have them. The point is to focus on your form and not on tuning when you first start.
@ryanlindsay95762 ай бұрын
Great video sir helped me out a lot
@MrGSeS12 ай бұрын
hey, nice video. one thing needs to be corrected: it's called intuitive and not instinctive. instinct is in your genes and is called up in stressful situations. intuitive needs calm and training through repetition.
@TradArchery1012 ай бұрын
in·tu·i·tive /inˈto͞oədiv/ adjective using or based on what one feels to be true even without conscious reasoning; instinctive. Don't stress over wording so much. here in the US Instinctive is the dominate way to describe that style of shooting.
@67HuntAway2 ай бұрын
Hello A while back and I'm not sure which video or whether or not it was on this channel or Archery 101, you mentioned about your point before you draw on the spot you want to hit, would automatically set your gap. If you could provide me with the link to it I would greatly appreciate it. I try to explain to people and they don't get what I'm trying to say. Thank you. Aaron
@TradArchery1012 ай бұрын
I wish I could remember myself. I might make a video of it down the road, sorry.
@venturini092 ай бұрын
So your title SHOULD be “Don’t BARE shaft tune….for beginners. With a simple understanding of tail left and tail right you could correct much of that issue with correct spine and different grain tips. Is getting the correct spine and tip weight really too complicated in the Information age? Clearly those bare shaft arrows are way off for that bow. Why waste time and money thinking that you have the right arrows and know how to shoot only to find out your form sucks and the arrows were covering it up. This would be like beginning with a guitar that has built in pitch correction or a car that has auto pilot then wondering why when you turned off the technology you suck as a player or can’t drive through the parking lot without crashing. I’m not saying a beginner should keep tinkering trying to get sub 6 inch groups but with all the test kits available tuning isn’t really a black art too advanced for someone with average intelligence.
@TradArchery1012 ай бұрын
You are glossing over the fact that new archers have so much variation in their form that simply following tail left or right will get them going in circles. Focus on form and pay attention to groupings. Trying to tune is a waste, see it all the time and guess what? They always have to buy new arrows because they tightened up their form so much, the old ones are not flying right anymore.
@RossieHoorn2 ай бұрын
Great video! I have had only two classes so far, but this video made so much sence
@stupidhandles2 ай бұрын
You need to shoot multiple arrows of each variation to get a decent sample size, and to prevent anonmalies due to external variants, ie the archer. Thought this on another video of yours you did testing speeds of straight vs helical fletching. One of your first results was an obvious anomaly (first helical arrow shot at close range) If youre going to the effort of making these videos and doing these tests you should at least do 12 of each arrow type at each variant being tested (ie distance, different arrow type) All data based on group samples are more accurate the greater the sample size. Statistically one sample for each variant statistically doesnt prove anything as they have hidden anomalies, especially important with these kinds of tests as humans cant consistently repeat the exact same method, there'll always be slight variants in draw or release etc. greater sample sizes helps identify the anomalies and identify a norm. Not having a go, or criticising for the sake if it. I enjoy the videos but ultimately low sample group data telis us very little
@TradArchery1012 ай бұрын
What makes you think I didn't do a larger sample size? Because i didn't film it?
@stupidhandles2 ай бұрын
Jimmy joe know it all is right. Wrongly matched arrows to go off line. Ive experienced it. Granted there are other variables, but matching correct spine/weight combination is a factor, if youre sighting down the arrow and theyre goung to the side door ts a Go d chance its poorly matched arrows. 20yards can be too short a distance to be noticable but at larger distances it becomes more apparent. Though it also depends on the bow, certainly english longbows are more susceptible as they need a larger fkex to get round the wider bow, flatbows and recurves with cut out arrowshelves its the of an issue as the arrow doesnt yave to bend around the bow as much. Although i find, (for right handed shooters) too stiff oull to the left, top weak go all over the place. I prefer slightly too stiff to slightly too weak. Like with all archery its try it and see what works for you, tberes conflicting advise on everything, enjoying it is the main goal
@TradArchery1012 ай бұрын
20 Yards is for most Trad Archers, their max distance. With this in mind, any result from a farther distance is of little to no use for them.
@robsarchery96792 ай бұрын
I have no problem with my glove.
@florianv1023 ай бұрын
That was great ,but i would also do an investigation in the Position of your silencers!
@CampfireKodiak3 ай бұрын
When I cant it shortens my draw length by an inch or two which reduces my arrow velocity. My longbows require a cant just to keep the arrow on the shelf for some reason buy my recurves not so much. It may be because my shelf rug is different. Not sure yet. If your arrow spine is not correct you will definitely see a big difference by how much you cant. A stiff arrow will move your POI left for a right hand shooter. Same with plucking the string.
@raducuflorin52343 ай бұрын
A 20 min video for an answer that could be delivered in 20 seconds max!
@jcarry52148 күн бұрын
And if it was 20 seconds someone would say "this is just 'trust me bro', how did you come up with your 'facts'?"
@brentwatts60453 ай бұрын
it would be interesting to do this same test with bare shafts as that will show the differences better. Fletching covers a lot... especially if we are not getting nothing but X's. :)
@matuskadoun9293 ай бұрын
The simplest interpretation could be "The bow is in the way of the arrow" and everything else is a consequence of that fact. In this sense the paradox is the contradictory statement. Definition of paradox: "a seemingly absurd or contradictory statement or proposition which when investigated may prove to be well founded or true."
@TradArchery1012 ай бұрын
You are dwelling on the meaning of the word too much. The person who coined the term, did not use the best word, but it is what he choose and we seem to be stuck with it.
@peterpepper98923 ай бұрын
Great tutorial. Thank you.
@curleex38383 ай бұрын
All we need is someone with yrs of experience like an old timer to tell us what HIS experience is with different fletchings and what is best in various situations etc, experience beats testing all day here!!!
@TradArchery1012 ай бұрын
Experience beats testing? Really? Experience said we would never fly, experience said we would never break the sound barrier, yet we did.
@tomfisher473 ай бұрын
I like 5 inch shield cut. I think they look cool 😎
@abirch773 ай бұрын
I've watched a lot of these videos and you're the best at explaining well things that practicable and actionable! Thank you! The only thing that throws me once in a while is when you're shooting and show one of your arrows as too weak or too stiff and I'm like; wait, that's backwards! Then I remember you're a left hand shooter (& I'm right handed) so that's opposite & correct. LOL
@johnw8893 ай бұрын
Thanks
@johnw8893 ай бұрын
Where’s your video about using a stretch band
@mervynpatterson71643 ай бұрын
Try that with an English longbow( shoot off the hand with no t cut to centre.
@TradArchery1013 ай бұрын
Why? I don’t use one.
@typhoon28273 ай бұрын
I think there's a big chunk of personality involved in this. If I take my own club as an example, the archers who would be considered 'trad' all shoot badly with zero back tension and poor alignment. The recurve archers, less so. They only shoot 20yds so they see a fair sized group and this outcome makes them believe they're shooting well. The trad archers also all show the same personailty traits of huge egos, heightened opinions of themselves, an import on being a big man, they don't have coaches because "why do i need a coach, I'm a great archer, I don't need all tgat stuff on my bow that you 'need'...". They just bang away at targets close-up without realising that we have eight year olds doing the same thing but who will go on to shoot the same sized groups at much greater distances. They'll also be heard saying things like, "why do i need to shoot 100yds, I know how to walk". The trad group is also likely to be dressed for war, drive 4x4, talk about how they could knock animsls over with their arrows, blah blah... So the reason trad archers don't shoot properly is nothing to do with bowstyle but everything to do with personality: they cannot shelve their ego enough to be coached, they do not progress as fast as some one who can swallow their pride and ask for help, so they migrate to 'trad' where they dwell amongst the like-minded in the "we're different" echo-chamber, with the security of "this is more difficult than recurve because we don't have all the aids to shooting of other bow styles" to hide their inabilities. I have demonstrated to beginner groups how I can shoot wrong-handed snd wrong-eyed, a 12# bow way too small for me, with badly matched arrows with zero alignment and shoot tight groups at close range in an effort to make them buy into getting coaching, early in their shooting career. Too many archers conflate a tight group at close range with having good technique. I hope my demonstration proves otherwise. There is usually some dickhead who misses the point and shouts out "yeah but you're a good archer". That dickhead usually quits early or goes on to be.... ....a trad archer.
@morganconklin88493 ай бұрын
The first thing you said is about the most right thing I’ve heard anybody trying to explain arrow grain to me
@jcann3133 ай бұрын
This is a very informative video. I have developed a theory. The fletching is going to spin the arrow. The first 10 yards the arrow goes from 0 rpm spinning to some high rpm. Once the rpm maxes out the drag decreases. At first the spiral fletching catches a lot of wind with no spin. I don't know how you kept the arrows inside the chrono. Great shooting. You could also have some fishtailing causing velocity loss when the arrow is yawed a lot but when the yaw angle is straight the velocity loss would be low. Precise arrow tuning has it's advantages I think.
@kengunnett20173 ай бұрын
the fact that you are using 4 fletch might be important at some point.
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Whisker biscuit slowing down an arrow is overexagerated, I lost 2 fps on my chrono testing vs a blade rest.. 2fps is so minimal it's not worth talking about.. Im tired of hearing people use the term as if it's a major disadvantage.. truth is a whisker biscuit is all you would ever need.. but people are obsessed with tech on compounds.. a blade or drop away is more tech so people think there automatically better..
I'm a visual learner too
I've never done archery before so sorry if this sounds stupid, could you use this technique in a barebow archery contest instead of string walking ?
Yes you can.
Thanks for the reply.@@TradArchery101
If you grew up in the 70’s’80 that their parents would try and try and change their dominant hands by trying to train them to be right handed, you know all the old wives tales and all. I’m left handed I was born in 73 so I’m generation X, anyway my mom used to smack my left hand, tie my left hand so could only use my right, she finally gave up, but all of that crap she did made me ambidextrous 😂
Only have a left eye I shoot left Hand.
Man, there are soo many different kinds of back tension methods! I just watched another video saying NOT to do it this way! It said that your hand and elbow should go back as in like straight behind you...NOT the opposite direction of the arrow...
Just goes to show you there is more than one way! It could also be wording. I do what I do and it works for me. Do what works for you and stopping worrying about what everyone else says to do!
Sure you're not gap shooting with 3 fingers under and looking down the arrow? Howard Hill shot instinctively with split finger at unknown distances by learning the arc of his arrows.
Yes and I have a booklet from Howard Hill, in which he says he does NOT shoot instinctive. He used what we call today Split vVision.
@@TradArchery101 got me there. I read Hunting the Hard Way years ago and he did mention his "split vision" technique in the book. I saw Byron Ferguson shoot at a show in the late '80's. He shot split finger instinctive. "Become the Arrow" illustrates his style. He practiced his form with his eyes closed shooting at a bag suspended very close. I guess I'm just old school. I shoot split finger focusing on the spot. I never see my arrow or tip when at full draw. I just love to shoot that way. To me, 3 fingers under and face walking etc bled into archery from the compound techniques. People wanted an easier way to "aim" like they could with a compound. Instinctive archery is not aiming. Did Brett Farvre and Joe Montana "aim" their passes? No. They learned to throw with years of practice (and talent.) I guess I'm a T-Rex. Thanks for posting your video.
In Byron Ferguson’s video he also states he uses a version of Split vision. I just met him in Alabama at the Howard Hill Classic and we talked about how he aims and he confirmed he uses a version of split vision. Aiming did not come from compounds. People were using aiming techniques long before the compound was made. I have a “How to book” from Ben Pearson, made in 1952 where he describes different ways to aim. Aiming is just another tool. No reason to look down on it.
Whatever. Yes compounds did accelerate use of aiming in so called trad archery. Before only target archers used sights or faux sight ie gap. You have fun with your way, I prefer instinctive with consistent form without knowing distances-especially on aerial targets 😉
You are torquing bow st heavy cant.
Years 1-3, developed form and strength, Years 4-now, correcting bad habits, Now.....having fun and slowly improving. Archery is more than shooting arrows. Patience, perseverance, mental control, personal satisfaction, are no small elements acquired that can be acquired.
I wish I had found this video 3 weeks ago when I started to research about archery. Very confusing watching archery vedeos without knowing what the dude is talking about. When they say "bare shaft", you have to bare shaft, but no one explains what that means. I thought it was the plain naked carbon, nothing else. I think "no fletching" would be a better term😸. Thanks for that, this video is amazing, there is no assumption that the audience already know this or that, everything is explained.
Love the head target lol
Where can I get that bow
Hitman Archery
Thanks, Greg! 😊 The information you shared in this video is awesome! I'm 66 years old and a newbie to archery. I started about 6 months ago by taking lessons, joining an archery club, and buying a 35 lb PSE Nighthawk, which is like a Samick Sage. I depended on the recommendation of the guys at my archery shop and have .600 carbon arrows, cut down 1/2". Your information on arrows is invaluable to me moving forward. I saved your video to my list. I will review it over and over until I have the information down by memory until no part is confusing, and I have a fluent understanding of these concepts! 😊 i just bought a 64" 40 lb. Southwest Archery Spider XL. It comes with a Dacron string. I ordered a 60" D97 Flemish Twist string. I understand D97 is between Dacron and Fast Flight. I will consider all these factors to buy new arrows for my 64" 40 lb. Southwest Archery Spider XL.
Thx u
Thanks for this, not quite as easy as make it seem. Got there and looking forward to trying them out
Just got a new one! Salvation Army find for $20 yesterday. A Ben Pearson BP-H90 7388 45 pound draw. Looks like new ! Got a new one to play with!
Great info!
I really enjoy your content I'm struggling being right handed but blind in my right eye so I'm shooting lefty ok but I'm struggling finding a set method of shooting style but anyway I like your videos thanks
A bow not cut to center will induce a bending action due to the rapid change in angle as the arrow accelerates abruptly. A flexible spine and heavy point can only exacerbate the bending action as the string keeps the nock end in the same plane. The point is thrust out away from the limb rapidly causing most of the shaft flex.
Always kept both eyes open, so I guess I'm an instinctive shooter. Right handed and left eye dominant I fire a rifle left handed. Peep sights never worked for me because of this. I practice what I call Amish compound archery without sights but with a release aid! A left hand bow probably won't work for me because of left shoulder injury. I'll be trying your method and hope you're right. Not doing too badly with both eyes though. Maybe I shoot with some mix of instinctive and gap without having known what this is.
What are "eye dobbins"??? "It all comes down to eye dobbins." ????? Can you enunciate better or record better please?
So your whole takeaway was that only you so far, could not understand what I said? Well, thanks for sharing!
Great video! Just what I needed to stop thinking about equipment and just shoot until I get consistent groups. Great channel, great advice. Cheers Greg.
I’m wondering if maybe you’re left handed, but right eye dominant. That’s actually pretty common with people who are left handed, they have to shoot right handed anyway because off their eyes.
I would encourage you to read up on the “Dominant Eye”. Studies have proven that it can and does switch sides. You can see these studies online. Jake Kaminski, has a video on the subject and he was told at the Olympic training center, medical professionals that the dominant eye is not nearly as important as your “aiming eye” and that they are different.
We are not here for the cat.
We?
So does the 4 fletching fly the same as a 3 fletching arrow of is it slower?
To many variables to give a conclusive answer. Weight, more than number of feathers will affect speed.
no one shoots arrows without feathers in the first place so what's the point here and feathers or vanes come on all arrows you buy new unless you order arrow with out any on them or you make you own thats different but other wise everything in the stores and off the shelf already have vanes or feathers tuning is more to do with yes feathers or vanes and the bow your using spin size up front weight of the tip and incert etc.. so your video all it does is prove how bad arrows suck without feathers or vanes and like i said all archers shoot with feathers or vanes even when hunting no one shoots bare arrows ..
Plenty of people shoot arrows without feathers, it is called "tuning". If you did not get the point, then you were not listening. And no, not all arrows come with feathers and I do not request them not to have them. The point is to focus on your form and not on tuning when you first start.
Great video sir helped me out a lot
hey, nice video. one thing needs to be corrected: it's called intuitive and not instinctive. instinct is in your genes and is called up in stressful situations. intuitive needs calm and training through repetition.
in·tu·i·tive /inˈto͞oədiv/ adjective using or based on what one feels to be true even without conscious reasoning; instinctive. Don't stress over wording so much. here in the US Instinctive is the dominate way to describe that style of shooting.
Hello A while back and I'm not sure which video or whether or not it was on this channel or Archery 101, you mentioned about your point before you draw on the spot you want to hit, would automatically set your gap. If you could provide me with the link to it I would greatly appreciate it. I try to explain to people and they don't get what I'm trying to say. Thank you. Aaron
I wish I could remember myself. I might make a video of it down the road, sorry.
So your title SHOULD be “Don’t BARE shaft tune….for beginners. With a simple understanding of tail left and tail right you could correct much of that issue with correct spine and different grain tips. Is getting the correct spine and tip weight really too complicated in the Information age? Clearly those bare shaft arrows are way off for that bow. Why waste time and money thinking that you have the right arrows and know how to shoot only to find out your form sucks and the arrows were covering it up. This would be like beginning with a guitar that has built in pitch correction or a car that has auto pilot then wondering why when you turned off the technology you suck as a player or can’t drive through the parking lot without crashing. I’m not saying a beginner should keep tinkering trying to get sub 6 inch groups but with all the test kits available tuning isn’t really a black art too advanced for someone with average intelligence.
You are glossing over the fact that new archers have so much variation in their form that simply following tail left or right will get them going in circles. Focus on form and pay attention to groupings. Trying to tune is a waste, see it all the time and guess what? They always have to buy new arrows because they tightened up their form so much, the old ones are not flying right anymore.
Great video! I have had only two classes so far, but this video made so much sence
You need to shoot multiple arrows of each variation to get a decent sample size, and to prevent anonmalies due to external variants, ie the archer. Thought this on another video of yours you did testing speeds of straight vs helical fletching. One of your first results was an obvious anomaly (first helical arrow shot at close range) If youre going to the effort of making these videos and doing these tests you should at least do 12 of each arrow type at each variant being tested (ie distance, different arrow type) All data based on group samples are more accurate the greater the sample size. Statistically one sample for each variant statistically doesnt prove anything as they have hidden anomalies, especially important with these kinds of tests as humans cant consistently repeat the exact same method, there'll always be slight variants in draw or release etc. greater sample sizes helps identify the anomalies and identify a norm. Not having a go, or criticising for the sake if it. I enjoy the videos but ultimately low sample group data telis us very little
What makes you think I didn't do a larger sample size? Because i didn't film it?
Jimmy joe know it all is right. Wrongly matched arrows to go off line. Ive experienced it. Granted there are other variables, but matching correct spine/weight combination is a factor, if youre sighting down the arrow and theyre goung to the side door ts a Go d chance its poorly matched arrows. 20yards can be too short a distance to be noticable but at larger distances it becomes more apparent. Though it also depends on the bow, certainly english longbows are more susceptible as they need a larger fkex to get round the wider bow, flatbows and recurves with cut out arrowshelves its the of an issue as the arrow doesnt yave to bend around the bow as much. Although i find, (for right handed shooters) too stiff oull to the left, top weak go all over the place. I prefer slightly too stiff to slightly too weak. Like with all archery its try it and see what works for you, tberes conflicting advise on everything, enjoying it is the main goal
20 Yards is for most Trad Archers, their max distance. With this in mind, any result from a farther distance is of little to no use for them.
I have no problem with my glove.
That was great ,but i would also do an investigation in the Position of your silencers!
When I cant it shortens my draw length by an inch or two which reduces my arrow velocity. My longbows require a cant just to keep the arrow on the shelf for some reason buy my recurves not so much. It may be because my shelf rug is different. Not sure yet. If your arrow spine is not correct you will definitely see a big difference by how much you cant. A stiff arrow will move your POI left for a right hand shooter. Same with plucking the string.
A 20 min video for an answer that could be delivered in 20 seconds max!
And if it was 20 seconds someone would say "this is just 'trust me bro', how did you come up with your 'facts'?"
it would be interesting to do this same test with bare shafts as that will show the differences better. Fletching covers a lot... especially if we are not getting nothing but X's. :)
The simplest interpretation could be "The bow is in the way of the arrow" and everything else is a consequence of that fact. In this sense the paradox is the contradictory statement. Definition of paradox: "a seemingly absurd or contradictory statement or proposition which when investigated may prove to be well founded or true."
You are dwelling on the meaning of the word too much. The person who coined the term, did not use the best word, but it is what he choose and we seem to be stuck with it.
Great tutorial. Thank you.
All we need is someone with yrs of experience like an old timer to tell us what HIS experience is with different fletchings and what is best in various situations etc, experience beats testing all day here!!!
Experience beats testing? Really? Experience said we would never fly, experience said we would never break the sound barrier, yet we did.
I like 5 inch shield cut. I think they look cool 😎
I've watched a lot of these videos and you're the best at explaining well things that practicable and actionable! Thank you! The only thing that throws me once in a while is when you're shooting and show one of your arrows as too weak or too stiff and I'm like; wait, that's backwards! Then I remember you're a left hand shooter (& I'm right handed) so that's opposite & correct. LOL
Thanks
Where’s your video about using a stretch band
Try that with an English longbow( shoot off the hand with no t cut to centre.
Why? I don’t use one.
I think there's a big chunk of personality involved in this. If I take my own club as an example, the archers who would be considered 'trad' all shoot badly with zero back tension and poor alignment. The recurve archers, less so. They only shoot 20yds so they see a fair sized group and this outcome makes them believe they're shooting well. The trad archers also all show the same personailty traits of huge egos, heightened opinions of themselves, an import on being a big man, they don't have coaches because "why do i need a coach, I'm a great archer, I don't need all tgat stuff on my bow that you 'need'...". They just bang away at targets close-up without realising that we have eight year olds doing the same thing but who will go on to shoot the same sized groups at much greater distances. They'll also be heard saying things like, "why do i need to shoot 100yds, I know how to walk". The trad group is also likely to be dressed for war, drive 4x4, talk about how they could knock animsls over with their arrows, blah blah... So the reason trad archers don't shoot properly is nothing to do with bowstyle but everything to do with personality: they cannot shelve their ego enough to be coached, they do not progress as fast as some one who can swallow their pride and ask for help, so they migrate to 'trad' where they dwell amongst the like-minded in the "we're different" echo-chamber, with the security of "this is more difficult than recurve because we don't have all the aids to shooting of other bow styles" to hide their inabilities. I have demonstrated to beginner groups how I can shoot wrong-handed snd wrong-eyed, a 12# bow way too small for me, with badly matched arrows with zero alignment and shoot tight groups at close range in an effort to make them buy into getting coaching, early in their shooting career. Too many archers conflate a tight group at close range with having good technique. I hope my demonstration proves otherwise. There is usually some dickhead who misses the point and shouts out "yeah but you're a good archer". That dickhead usually quits early or goes on to be.... ....a trad archer.
The first thing you said is about the most right thing I’ve heard anybody trying to explain arrow grain to me
This is a very informative video. I have developed a theory. The fletching is going to spin the arrow. The first 10 yards the arrow goes from 0 rpm spinning to some high rpm. Once the rpm maxes out the drag decreases. At first the spiral fletching catches a lot of wind with no spin. I don't know how you kept the arrows inside the chrono. Great shooting. You could also have some fishtailing causing velocity loss when the arrow is yawed a lot but when the yaw angle is straight the velocity loss would be low. Precise arrow tuning has it's advantages I think.
the fact that you are using 4 fletch might be important at some point.