Hi, Could you speak about why you chose this model vs. the 21G? Was it simply the bed configuration? I currently own a Pleasure way Ontour 2.2 clas B and it's the highest quality RV I've owned to date. We are trying to decide if we want to move up to a B+ unit but I am petrified of selling a great rv and getting into something that will have issues. You said it well in your 5 month review all rvs definitely have their issues for obvious reasons. You just hope that it's nothing structural or major. The other thing holding me back is the fact that my current B van which is a Ford Transit also can be parked anywhere, driven anywhere and looks like a van vs. having a B+ which is obviously viewed as an rv.
@ricktanner9817Күн бұрын
I can not argue that this B+ is stealthy. Is an RV and looks like one. It's a tradeoff, but for us, it is well worth it. We had a 2022 B Class Thor Sequence. It did not look like an RV, and we liked that, but it was just too tight to be comfortable full time. As you know, we did remove much of the decals and graphics to tone this Extreme down. That actually helped a lot. Still, you have your work cut out for you with this decision. Regarding our choice of the 29 over the 21XG, it became a no-brainer. Prior to seeing them in person, we liked the 21, but once we got inside, the 20 was far better suited for our needs. The bed, the bath, and the storage configurations were the primary factors.
@pamelafarris27072 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for comparing the charge. I’m seriously considering buying this unit because of your videos. I love how you are no nonsense and informative. It makes a huge difference for a newbie who’s only camped in a tent as a child. I wish I understood the concept of energy consumption and charging I worry about my fur babies.
@ricktanner98172 күн бұрын
Power can be a complicated thing. That is why we wanted to have all the bells and whistles factory installed. Coachmen and Renogy di an amazing job on this RV. All I had to add was 2 more solar panels, and that was easy. The game changer for us was the dual 400 amp Lithium batteries. They make all the difference. Best of luck!
@WildDoveTrail5 күн бұрын
You've done a fantastic job. I just love your coach! Is that a three-way refrigerator?
@ricktanner98175 күн бұрын
No, it is AC or DC only.
@jasonm76346 күн бұрын
Great video, I love your description! Very coherent.
@ricktanner98174 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@Hockeymyk7 күн бұрын
so what did it cost?
@ricktanner98177 күн бұрын
We paid $136,000 out the door. If you have not seen it, check out the indepth review the Vancaskeys did on our RV back in February, I believe. It is over 250,000 views.
@lorriemelko12859 күн бұрын
Ok.. Love the headboard idea! I was going to ask if you made it or purchased, but JUST watched your latest video and you answered my question!☺️.
@ricktanner98179 күн бұрын
It wasn't very difficult but makes a huge difference. Both when sleeping and watching TV.
@lorriemelko12859 күн бұрын
@@ricktanner9817 I agree!! What material did you use? How did you attach it? Dimensions? Sorry for so many ??’s 👍
@ricktanner98179 күн бұрын
@lorriemelko1285 We don't actually remember the type of wood, but almost anything would work. I believe it was a soft wood, but I don't think it was pine. We drilled holes and attached it with small bolts. Not sure the exact measurements but just short of the length of the bed. About 18" above the surface of the bed.
@lorriemelko12859 күн бұрын
@@ricktanner9817 Many thanks for the reply Rick!! Another one for the “ honey do list”😉
@ajhannahadventures12 күн бұрын
How much solar do you have currently? I have 2 X 200 panels and am thinking of adding another 200. Any thoughts suggestions and advice?
@ricktanner981711 күн бұрын
Ours came from the factory with 2 x 200 watt panels. We added 2 more for a total of 800 watts with 4 panels. It's impressive how much power they deliver on a sunny day. They also reduced the amount of heat of the roof.
@ajhannahadventures11 күн бұрын
@@ricktanner9817 thank you. We might add two more as it really helps staying out longer.
@ajhannahadventures11 күн бұрын
Forgot to ask how many lithium batteries do you have fur those four solar panels? I am think of adding g one more lithium.
@ricktanner981711 күн бұрын
@@ajhannahadventures ours came from the factory with 2 400 amp lithium batteries.
@user-mf2xv4ez2w13 күн бұрын
No, at these prices I don't expect quality issues. Current RVs remind me of American cars in the late 70's and early 80's (crap!).
@ricktanner981712 күн бұрын
I can't disagree with that.
@lorriemelko128513 күн бұрын
LOVE your videos!!!! Can I ask how you obtained power to hook up the TV and phone chargers??
@ricktanner981713 күн бұрын
For the TV, we ran an extension cord from the AC plug below in the garage. For the phone charge and DC fan, we ran that from the DC outlet under the dinette, through the bathroom, and into the bedroom. It was a little tricky but worth it. A nice feature there is that you can run the fan all night and charge phones without having to have your inverter on.
@lorriemelko128513 күн бұрын
@@ricktanner9817 ohh ok! Thank you…☺️. We’re picking ours up Saturday 👏. So, trying to figure out how to make it work for the phones.😌. May I ask, how long of a cord did you have to use to get from the dinette into the bedroom, and how did you feed it thru the bathroom?🤔 Drill holes??
@ricktanner981712 күн бұрын
@@lorriemelko1285 The only hole we had to drill was in the back garage area. There were existing openings through the bathroom. I believe we used 20 to 30' of cord.
@lorriemelko128512 күн бұрын
@@ricktanner9817 great!!!! Thanks again!! Keep those videos coming!👍😀
@bruceobrien580314 күн бұрын
I bought the same eig because of your videos. Many thanks
@ricktanner981713 күн бұрын
Very happy travels to you!
@WildDoveTrail15 күн бұрын
Thank you so much I've been looking at one just like yours after having several RVs over the years like you. Have you had any issues with any water leakage anywhere besides the shower? Thank you.
@ricktanner981715 күн бұрын
Non so far, fingers crossed. Good luck!
@WildDoveTrail15 күн бұрын
@@ricktanner9817 have you been in rain storms or/and very wet roads? Thank you!
@sandydemars810016 күн бұрын
Congrats on the new place! Thank you For all the videos and information. Very helpful! My husband and I hope to see more travels from you guys later!
@ricktanner981716 күн бұрын
I hope so too!
@lisarandall503116 күн бұрын
You guys are awesome! Congrats on the new place. I hope your brother recovers quickly! I will be purchasing the same rig because of all of your informative and honest videos! Please keep us updated on your on going journey!
@ricktanner981716 күн бұрын
Best of luck!
@HowToHaveFunOutdoors17 күн бұрын
Congrats on home. Thanks for update!
@ricktanner981717 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@joerod24817 күн бұрын
How many hours can you run your AC at night when you have no solar and no 30amp plugin with your 800 amp hours batteries ?
@ricktanner981717 күн бұрын
That's a really good question. I have not actually tried to time it, but I do know it depends heavily on the outside air temperature and the desired inside air temperature. I do see on the display that the ac running at full will draw about 100 to 110 amps. I imagine running full out and without cycling off, you could run it between 7 and 8 hours with no input/charge to the batteries. Just my guess.
@krislynch745419 күн бұрын
Congrats❤❤❤ glad your bro healed quickly too. Hurts me watching u get eaten alive❤ love your videos!!!!!!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 your amazing love these videos n trying to buy same unit
@ricktanner981718 күн бұрын
Hope you are successful! Let me know.
@KennethMercer-zi8td19 күн бұрын
Thank you for all the videos. I've really enjoyed them as well as learned a lot from you. Interested in the same unit - and maybe this fall, I will pull the trigger. Hope tobseebyou on the road one day, too! Cheers.
@ricktanner981719 күн бұрын
Now that would be fun. Thanks for watching.
@daydreamer092319 күн бұрын
Thank you. Congratulations and I wish you much happiness. 👋😀
@ricktanner981719 күн бұрын
😊
@chiefy91519 күн бұрын
congrats on the deal on the unexpected homebase
@ricktanner981719 күн бұрын
Thank you. Highly unexpected. My wife is still wondering how this happened.
@kiddo467419 күн бұрын
Congrats on the land! Thanks for keeping us up to date, and hopefully you will still have a chance to get out there and have some fun in Critter.
@ricktanner981719 күн бұрын
That's the plan!
@SofaKing519 күн бұрын
I truly appreciate you taking the time to document your views and modifications on your Coachmen. We will be purchasing this fall, and the information you've supplied has been of great help. I was also on the fence about the generator, as we will be expanding the solar to 1000 watts, but you make a good argument for having it, especially now that I know it is a true switchable dual fuel. We have camped in our current rig in places shaded, preventing solar charging. I debated relying on the dual alternators for charging, but if the generator can run the AC and rapidly charge the battery, that makes the decision easier. One question: is the air conditioner a DC unit or AC? I've scoured the Internet about these specs for the 2024 and haven't found it anywhere.
@ricktanner981719 күн бұрын
The AC unit is ac. You will need to have the inverter on to run it. Prior to the summer, I think I would have ditched the genny, and that would have been a big mistake. Some suggest you can simply idle the engine, but that second alternator can only supply about a third the power as the genny. When driving, you charge the batteries but only (in this unit) about 5 to 6% per hour. It's better than nothing, but it's not huge.
@DebThoraLarsen20 күн бұрын
Hi Rick, My partner and I really appreciate your videos on the Cross Trail - the insights and approach. We are considering the Cross Trail 20XG and similarly, the new (2024) Jayco Granite Ridge and the Entegra Condor. Would be great to get your input on power particularly if you have a moment. Seems the Cross Trail has a great boondocking power system but we really prefer the bedroom cabinet storage on the Jayco and Entegra as well as the fuller outside kitchen and larger tanks due to cassette but are not sure about the battery/ power capabilities in them nor do we love first year release or new of any rv. (Seems kinks get ironed out and depreciation is so extreme in those fist couple years on top of current crazy prices.) The Granite Ridge (and I think Condor is the same in all respects) states it has 3.9 Kwh 12 lith battery w 360 roof solar (room for more), dual controller and 2,000 watt inverter. We are almost RV newbies and have limited knowledge here but like you, we are not campground folks, plan to be part-year on the road working remotely and traveling, and prefer BLM n Forest Roads etc as much as we can before campgrounds. I wish Coachman considered that for many it was not necessary to raise that bed all the way to ceiling to use the garage for most things w three access doors. Seems that would allow for full upper cabinets in bedroom and better TV placement not blocking the window. Also, I know you said its a great coach in many respects and appreciate that input. Yet.... for 150,000+ it is discouraging to have to correct so many things. We are handy, fixers and restorers and its discouraging to see screws pulling out on brand new RV cabinets at this price or cheap Chinese fans instead of spending $500 more dollars to put ones in correctly initially. Its not like that poor quality is unrecognized. It is a choice to overlook it. One I dont like but cant do much about I guess. Very few rigs in this niche.. Anyway is you have a sense on how the power compares on these to yours I would be so so grateful for any direction. Best wishes!
@ricktanner981720 күн бұрын
Feel free to email me if you like at [email protected] for additional info any time. This (selecting a new RV) is no easy choice, but you are asking the right questions. We see little upside to campgrounds when traveling. Makes more sence money wise to drive your car and stay in the best hotel resorts than to buy an expensie RV then pay for hookups every night while you are crammed in listening to arguments, dogs and everyone elses noise. Not to mention being smoked out by campfires blinded with miles of rope lights. The fees are nuts and we didn't buy and RV to be bound by reservations, check in times and check out times. Last night we were right on the beach near Galveston, for free. You could pay the county $10 and stay for a year! I digress....Power is vital and you need options. As you know we have a lithiam battery bank of 800 amps factory and that is huge for this size RV. The trick is filling the batteries and this rig has a second dedicated altinator in the Transit engine to do that while you are driving. After that you have the sun and we have 4 nice 200 watt panels on top with another 300 watts we can plug in on the side. Then there is the duel fuel genny that is fantastic when you need it. It will draw from either your big propane tank or gas tank with the flip of a switch. Finally there is the option to plug in with a 30 amp service. We don't actually even travel with the cable because we never use it. The batteries will run everything (including AC) through the 3000 watt inverter but when it is really hot out and the AC is on 24-7 you will need to keep them topped off with the genny or by driving. Yesterday it was 109 and humid so we did have to call on the genny. Let me know if you would liek to discuss more.
@DebThoraLarsen20 күн бұрын
@@ricktanner9817 Thank you Rick. So very generous of you. I will take you up on that. Til then so pleased to hear your description of power with your set up. Wow! FYI Agree 100% with your campground digression!
@d2r.outdoor24 күн бұрын
Thanks for the videos. I had been dreaming of either an Ekko or Aeon but between the prices and limited garages (compared to your van) I was still hoping for something better: and it seems the Cross Trail XG might be the answer. I'm curious of your thoughts regarding winter/below freezing of your rig, whether it is a consideration for you or if you've thought of improvements you would make for the cold. I'm based in Canada with most of my travel done in the fall and winter, heading south to mountain bike in Utah and Arizona so I get exposed to a lot of chilly weather. thanks.
@ricktanner981724 күн бұрын
The Crosstrail is a 4 seasons RV. We didn't need to make any changes there. The furnace and hot water are very efficient propane with a very large tank. All the water tanks are on heated pads, and the entire RV is very well insulated. Driving in show and ice is actually amazing with the full-time all wheel drive, lift kit, and all terrain tires. We have spray many nights in the single digits with no issue, always without hookups. This rug is a beast in the cold.
@d2r.outdoor24 күн бұрын
@@ricktanner9817 thanks so much for the response!
@kiddo467427 күн бұрын
What are the specs of the external solar port on the renogy MPPT? Max volts/amps? This is impossible information to find online, but you seem to know your stuff!
@ricktanner981724 күн бұрын
I looked through my documents and could not find the specs. I sent a request to Coachmen and will let you know what their response is.
@philo509628 күн бұрын
Great vid, I wish it was a real bedroom and not a flipup bed to hallway. That looks cheap and tacky. I am glad its a Ford though.
@ricktanner981724 күн бұрын
This style bedroom is not for everyone but works for us.
@joecool702829 күн бұрын
I really like your videos! Very informative with no frills nor advertisements/endorsements. I really learn a lot in my research in this RV! Questsions: are the tanks internal or external? Any insulation/heat to make it 4 season capable?
@ricktanner981729 күн бұрын
Thanks so much, that is very kind of you. The tanks are external but are on heat pads. Flip that switch, and you are 4 season. We spent weeks in the teens and overnight single digits. No issues there.
@caliadventures647529 күн бұрын
Geat viceo. Thanks. What is the average MPG?
@ricktanner981729 күн бұрын
Between 13 and 15 mpg. The reasons this is not better are the following. Full-time all wheel drive, lift kit, all terrain tires, a second alternator to feed house batteries, and one additional item/feature that I can not recall.
@chipsrafferty8362Ай бұрын
This is refreshing considering the miserable stories from others looking for clicks.I have a hard time believing that all the doom and gloom is as widespread as they want us to believe. I’m getting ready to buy a Revel and start my retirement years traveling the country,looking forward to it. Thanks for the video
@ricktanner9817Ай бұрын
Thanks for the response. I think Revel is a great brand and a very good-looking rig with a lot of advantages. Enjoy the outdoors!
@susanbennett5431Ай бұрын
Did you have an independent inspection before purchase?
@ricktanner9817Ай бұрын
No, we did not. This was our 6th RV purchase. 3 of which were new. We did spend 3 days at the dealership campground testing every system.
@Justme33177Ай бұрын
Hey thx so much very nice to hear the positives! I believe there is more of us with good stories vs bad. Speaking all good things with my Thor Tellaro 2021 20AT! ❤It 3 yrs of smooth sailing and great fun! So thx for sharing!
@ricktanner9817Ай бұрын
Absolutely! Thank you 😊
@StephenRizzuto-jo1voАй бұрын
Rick, have you camped in Critter in freezing temperatures? Is the Cross Trail Extreme a four season RV? Thanks
@ricktanner9817Ай бұрын
Many nights in the single digits. Furnace is propane and very efficient. Never had an issue with anything freezing. All tanks are on heating pads. Per Coachmen, it is a 4 seasons RV. Drives great in show and ice as it has a lift kit, all terrain tires, and full-time all wheel drive.
@MindfulWarriorАй бұрын
Hi Ricky, I hope you're doing well. I just a few questions, if you don't mind. 1- How did you take the decals off the front portion of the cabin? Did you get up on the hood? or use a scaffold system? Trying to figure out the best way to reach it using the typical ladder. 2- Did you ever figure out an upgrade to the kitchen cabinet hinges? They're already starting to come off the cabinets. 3- Do you have a TPMS? if so, where did you attach the signal booster to get power? Thanks as always for helping out the Newby here! 🙂
@ricktanner9817Ай бұрын
If I remember correctly, I got on top and laid down, reaching over. We have yet to find a replacement for the hinges. I actually use the Ford app to check my tire pressure. Also good to check oil life and a number of other items. Keep in touch!
@MindfulWarriorАй бұрын
@@ricktanner9817 Thank you. Your modification videos have been very helpful in getting my 20XG ready for travel. Hope to see you on the road!
@mikemangum4886Ай бұрын
Hey Rick,we really appreciate all the content you put out about this rig! Wondering if there’s any apps that you use in your boondocking adventures?
@ricktanner9817Ай бұрын
Sometimes. Free campsites.net is one and occasionally Overlander.
@kristopherwhite6050Ай бұрын
What’s the max tow rating? I’m looking for one on the E-450
@ricktanner9817Ай бұрын
4,000 lbs.
@joemarcille5074Ай бұрын
I am in the market for this model RV so thanks for the informative videos. Your sink mod...pictures and explanation of the process might save some of us from some mistakes and do overs!
@ricktanner9817Ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful! We feel like the sink replacement is a must. Hopefully Coachmen takes notice and makes the change on the 2025's.
@robertarnobit5357Ай бұрын
Good job to both of you 👍👌 I liked your mods👍👌
@ricktanner9817Ай бұрын
Thanks so much!
@robertarnobit5357Ай бұрын
Loved your review ❤️ the vancaskeys loved your class B+ van and so do i. I'm an all around handyman and your issues are easy fix👍 I will get the same one. Very cheap too😊
@ricktanner9817Ай бұрын
We were excited to have the Vancaskeys do a video review of our new RV. I believe that is the most popular video they did this year. You wouldn't be "Traveling Robert" from KZread, would you?
@krislynch7454Ай бұрын
❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@ricktanner9817Ай бұрын
Thanks 😊
@MindfulWarriorАй бұрын
Glad to hear they were helpful to you. I'm having exactly the opposite experience with MHSRV and Nolan. Perhaps it depends on who you are and your social status. I purchased my motorhome from Nolan on May 21st and it's June 6th today and I'm still waiting for them to make the repairs. The solar panel was promised to be installed immediately following the closing but I'm still waiting for the panel to arrive. They aren't willing to provide any loaner vehicle nor help out even though I'm stuck at someone's house waiting for the vehicle to be repaired. Enough ranting since it was partially my fault for trusting that he would address the issues and purchase the vehicle without having all the issues completed. High price for the lesson but well taken. For future RV buyers, after conducting the pre-purchase inspection, ensure they've made all the repairs before closing on your RV. Don't make the mistake I made. They don't care about you once you pay and purchase the RV.
@ricktanner9817Ай бұрын
First, I'm very sorry to hear of the crazy delays you are faced with. I am not sure how much status my KZread videos carry with MHSRV, but I am happy to reach out to them on your behalf if you would like me to try that.
@MindfulWarriorАй бұрын
@@ricktanner9817 Thanks, Ricky. I really appreciate it but I had it with Nolan. Unless you're an influence or have a high social status, he WILL ignore you and treat you like a maggot. I'm a retired US Army officer, who's qualified to help people with mental health issues. I'm trying to use the motorhome to travel across the country and bring help to them. I usually have a very positive outlook but after the way Nolan treated me immediately following the closing and after begging and begging for his help, I'm still at a loss how he's ignoring my request for help. After admitting their mistake and making me wait for 2 weeks, they still won't give me a definitive resolution or a loaner car so I can get around. His latest reply is that I'm not his only customer so I need to simply wait until his reply. Can you believe it took them 2 weeks just to correct an email address for the RV Complete program since they were sending all the info to the wrong address. I could go on but I'll stop here. Anyway, thank you for your videos on mods. It's definitely helpful!
@WndyW00-zv2opАй бұрын
It’s great that you tell of the problems and how they were resolved. I’m glad there was no fire due to the incorrect cable being used. Hopefully Coachman doesn’t do that mistake again after you made them aware? I look forward to your next video.
@ricktanner9817Ай бұрын
I had not thought of that, but yes, there could have been a fire. I do know this went up the chain at Coachmen, and I have received emails from them this week following up.
@FrPeterTobiasАй бұрын
I’ve heard recently about pex fittings being used on flex hoses throughout the industry resulting in leaks. Is this really an issue?
@ricktanner9817Ай бұрын
Ours is pex fittings on pex hoses. The issue we had was the hot water pex hose in the shower was cut slightly too long during the build. This put pressure on the fitting/fixture and resulted in a slow leak. There was no water damage, but it was a pain getting to it and correcting it.
@wesleymailhos8415Ай бұрын
while you don't have a huge following you do have some folks that follow and i don't think that hurts you getting attention. while many people brag about it i'm not impressed with coachmen customer service so far and i don't even have any major issues yet. glad you got it resolved. where was ford dealer? you said fort worth (lived there 23 years and daughter is still there) and i'll be in touch with that dealer if i have any issues when out that way.
@ricktanner9817Ай бұрын
Thanks! I believe we were at Stanley Ford in Eastland, Texas.
@bobk381Ай бұрын
You have a great attitude about RV service and repairs. So glad these issues were quickly diagnosed and repaired. Enjoy your travels.
@ricktanner9817Ай бұрын
We were very lucky on this one. Always great to work with professional people that are good at what that do.
@chiefy915Ай бұрын
nice update
@ricktanner9817Ай бұрын
Thankyou.
@arlenesterling6782Ай бұрын
I agree it's all so negative. I can’t stand them thank you for being so positive
@ricktanner9817Ай бұрын
Thanks for your kind comment and for watching my low/no production videos.
@JodysJourneyАй бұрын
I would much rather watch these happy stories. 😃👍🏻
@ricktanner9817Ай бұрын
Thanks. I'm sure it won't get a lot of views but for me it's about providing information to those looking for it. I can not imagine ever making money from this KZread channel. Not even if I put some effort into it.
@sandydemars8100Ай бұрын
I wondered where you guys were at! I'm so glad you shared this. You have absolutely had fabulous people to work with. I'm so happy you did. Unfortunately, my husband and I are some of those people with the nightmare story. I AM clicking on your story because it IS better news than a lot of stories. We are close to ending a lifetime of RVng after our experience and you are giving us hope and we like your RV. It is sad so many people have had big issues. This was a good video. Safe travels to you!
@ricktanner9817Ай бұрын
I'm sorry to hear about your experience. Hopefully, it will improve. We are currently in Louisiana (Lake Charles) catching up with family and friends. I actually grew up here.
@sandydemars8100Ай бұрын
@ricktanner9817 Thanks! I think it will improve for sure. You guys sure are going on a lot of adventures to a lot of places! Safe travels to you!
@meadowbrookguideservice8359Ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing. We have a 2017 Coachman Freedom Express 25SE travel trailer that we purchased new in 2018. It has been a great camper. I do have it for sale only because we are hoping to purchase a small Class C so that we can bring along the boat. I really want to take a look at a small Coachman Class C. I can't seem to find any in the State of Maine. Happy travels to you.
@ricktanner9817Ай бұрын
Best of luck finding your next RV. Hope it all works out for you. We have not towed a boat but did tow a small moving trailer almost 3,000 miles with no issues.
@KennethBarton-hw1ssАй бұрын
I bought a 2023 20XG new from a small dealership in Western North Carolina. I too had a few, what I would consider minor problems. Coachman along with the dealership fixed them promptly and at no cost to me. We have put 10,000 miles on our 20XG and have enjoyed the experience since day one. This is our first RV and I have no doubt that we made the right decision. If I had this to do again, I would. Great Job Coachman and Miles RV in Hendersonville NC.
@ricktanner9817Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience. Question, I was just informed that the bathroom sink actually goes into the black water tank and not the grey water. Is this also true on the 2023 models?
@MindfulWarriorАй бұрын
Hey Rick I just purchased my 20XG. I have a few questions for you as an experienced user of the 20XG. May I contact you via email?
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Hi, Could you speak about why you chose this model vs. the 21G? Was it simply the bed configuration? I currently own a Pleasure way Ontour 2.2 clas B and it's the highest quality RV I've owned to date. We are trying to decide if we want to move up to a B+ unit but I am petrified of selling a great rv and getting into something that will have issues. You said it well in your 5 month review all rvs definitely have their issues for obvious reasons. You just hope that it's nothing structural or major. The other thing holding me back is the fact that my current B van which is a Ford Transit also can be parked anywhere, driven anywhere and looks like a van vs. having a B+ which is obviously viewed as an rv.
I can not argue that this B+ is stealthy. Is an RV and looks like one. It's a tradeoff, but for us, it is well worth it. We had a 2022 B Class Thor Sequence. It did not look like an RV, and we liked that, but it was just too tight to be comfortable full time. As you know, we did remove much of the decals and graphics to tone this Extreme down. That actually helped a lot. Still, you have your work cut out for you with this decision. Regarding our choice of the 29 over the 21XG, it became a no-brainer. Prior to seeing them in person, we liked the 21, but once we got inside, the 20 was far better suited for our needs. The bed, the bath, and the storage configurations were the primary factors.
Thank you so much for comparing the charge. I’m seriously considering buying this unit because of your videos. I love how you are no nonsense and informative. It makes a huge difference for a newbie who’s only camped in a tent as a child. I wish I understood the concept of energy consumption and charging I worry about my fur babies.
Power can be a complicated thing. That is why we wanted to have all the bells and whistles factory installed. Coachmen and Renogy di an amazing job on this RV. All I had to add was 2 more solar panels, and that was easy. The game changer for us was the dual 400 amp Lithium batteries. They make all the difference. Best of luck!
You've done a fantastic job. I just love your coach! Is that a three-way refrigerator?
No, it is AC or DC only.
Great video, I love your description! Very coherent.
Glad you enjoyed it!
so what did it cost?
We paid $136,000 out the door. If you have not seen it, check out the indepth review the Vancaskeys did on our RV back in February, I believe. It is over 250,000 views.
Ok.. Love the headboard idea! I was going to ask if you made it or purchased, but JUST watched your latest video and you answered my question!☺️.
It wasn't very difficult but makes a huge difference. Both when sleeping and watching TV.
@@ricktanner9817 I agree!! What material did you use? How did you attach it? Dimensions? Sorry for so many ??’s 👍
@lorriemelko1285 We don't actually remember the type of wood, but almost anything would work. I believe it was a soft wood, but I don't think it was pine. We drilled holes and attached it with small bolts. Not sure the exact measurements but just short of the length of the bed. About 18" above the surface of the bed.
@@ricktanner9817 Many thanks for the reply Rick!! Another one for the “ honey do list”😉
How much solar do you have currently? I have 2 X 200 panels and am thinking of adding another 200. Any thoughts suggestions and advice?
Ours came from the factory with 2 x 200 watt panels. We added 2 more for a total of 800 watts with 4 panels. It's impressive how much power they deliver on a sunny day. They also reduced the amount of heat of the roof.
@@ricktanner9817 thank you. We might add two more as it really helps staying out longer.
Forgot to ask how many lithium batteries do you have fur those four solar panels? I am think of adding g one more lithium.
@@ajhannahadventures ours came from the factory with 2 400 amp lithium batteries.
No, at these prices I don't expect quality issues. Current RVs remind me of American cars in the late 70's and early 80's (crap!).
I can't disagree with that.
LOVE your videos!!!! Can I ask how you obtained power to hook up the TV and phone chargers??
For the TV, we ran an extension cord from the AC plug below in the garage. For the phone charge and DC fan, we ran that from the DC outlet under the dinette, through the bathroom, and into the bedroom. It was a little tricky but worth it. A nice feature there is that you can run the fan all night and charge phones without having to have your inverter on.
@@ricktanner9817 ohh ok! Thank you…☺️. We’re picking ours up Saturday 👏. So, trying to figure out how to make it work for the phones.😌. May I ask, how long of a cord did you have to use to get from the dinette into the bedroom, and how did you feed it thru the bathroom?🤔 Drill holes??
@@lorriemelko1285 The only hole we had to drill was in the back garage area. There were existing openings through the bathroom. I believe we used 20 to 30' of cord.
@@ricktanner9817 great!!!! Thanks again!! Keep those videos coming!👍😀
I bought the same eig because of your videos. Many thanks
Very happy travels to you!
Thank you so much I've been looking at one just like yours after having several RVs over the years like you. Have you had any issues with any water leakage anywhere besides the shower? Thank you.
Non so far, fingers crossed. Good luck!
@@ricktanner9817 have you been in rain storms or/and very wet roads? Thank you!
Congrats on the new place! Thank you For all the videos and information. Very helpful! My husband and I hope to see more travels from you guys later!
I hope so too!
You guys are awesome! Congrats on the new place. I hope your brother recovers quickly! I will be purchasing the same rig because of all of your informative and honest videos! Please keep us updated on your on going journey!
Best of luck!
Congrats on home. Thanks for update!
Thank you!
How many hours can you run your AC at night when you have no solar and no 30amp plugin with your 800 amp hours batteries ?
That's a really good question. I have not actually tried to time it, but I do know it depends heavily on the outside air temperature and the desired inside air temperature. I do see on the display that the ac running at full will draw about 100 to 110 amps. I imagine running full out and without cycling off, you could run it between 7 and 8 hours with no input/charge to the batteries. Just my guess.
Congrats❤❤❤ glad your bro healed quickly too. Hurts me watching u get eaten alive❤ love your videos!!!!!!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 your amazing love these videos n trying to buy same unit
Hope you are successful! Let me know.
Thank you for all the videos. I've really enjoyed them as well as learned a lot from you. Interested in the same unit - and maybe this fall, I will pull the trigger. Hope tobseebyou on the road one day, too! Cheers.
Now that would be fun. Thanks for watching.
Thank you. Congratulations and I wish you much happiness. 👋😀
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congrats on the deal on the unexpected homebase
Thank you. Highly unexpected. My wife is still wondering how this happened.
Congrats on the land! Thanks for keeping us up to date, and hopefully you will still have a chance to get out there and have some fun in Critter.
That's the plan!
I truly appreciate you taking the time to document your views and modifications on your Coachmen. We will be purchasing this fall, and the information you've supplied has been of great help. I was also on the fence about the generator, as we will be expanding the solar to 1000 watts, but you make a good argument for having it, especially now that I know it is a true switchable dual fuel. We have camped in our current rig in places shaded, preventing solar charging. I debated relying on the dual alternators for charging, but if the generator can run the AC and rapidly charge the battery, that makes the decision easier. One question: is the air conditioner a DC unit or AC? I've scoured the Internet about these specs for the 2024 and haven't found it anywhere.
The AC unit is ac. You will need to have the inverter on to run it. Prior to the summer, I think I would have ditched the genny, and that would have been a big mistake. Some suggest you can simply idle the engine, but that second alternator can only supply about a third the power as the genny. When driving, you charge the batteries but only (in this unit) about 5 to 6% per hour. It's better than nothing, but it's not huge.
Hi Rick, My partner and I really appreciate your videos on the Cross Trail - the insights and approach. We are considering the Cross Trail 20XG and similarly, the new (2024) Jayco Granite Ridge and the Entegra Condor. Would be great to get your input on power particularly if you have a moment. Seems the Cross Trail has a great boondocking power system but we really prefer the bedroom cabinet storage on the Jayco and Entegra as well as the fuller outside kitchen and larger tanks due to cassette but are not sure about the battery/ power capabilities in them nor do we love first year release or new of any rv. (Seems kinks get ironed out and depreciation is so extreme in those fist couple years on top of current crazy prices.) The Granite Ridge (and I think Condor is the same in all respects) states it has 3.9 Kwh 12 lith battery w 360 roof solar (room for more), dual controller and 2,000 watt inverter. We are almost RV newbies and have limited knowledge here but like you, we are not campground folks, plan to be part-year on the road working remotely and traveling, and prefer BLM n Forest Roads etc as much as we can before campgrounds. I wish Coachman considered that for many it was not necessary to raise that bed all the way to ceiling to use the garage for most things w three access doors. Seems that would allow for full upper cabinets in bedroom and better TV placement not blocking the window. Also, I know you said its a great coach in many respects and appreciate that input. Yet.... for 150,000+ it is discouraging to have to correct so many things. We are handy, fixers and restorers and its discouraging to see screws pulling out on brand new RV cabinets at this price or cheap Chinese fans instead of spending $500 more dollars to put ones in correctly initially. Its not like that poor quality is unrecognized. It is a choice to overlook it. One I dont like but cant do much about I guess. Very few rigs in this niche.. Anyway is you have a sense on how the power compares on these to yours I would be so so grateful for any direction. Best wishes!
Feel free to email me if you like at [email protected] for additional info any time. This (selecting a new RV) is no easy choice, but you are asking the right questions. We see little upside to campgrounds when traveling. Makes more sence money wise to drive your car and stay in the best hotel resorts than to buy an expensie RV then pay for hookups every night while you are crammed in listening to arguments, dogs and everyone elses noise. Not to mention being smoked out by campfires blinded with miles of rope lights. The fees are nuts and we didn't buy and RV to be bound by reservations, check in times and check out times. Last night we were right on the beach near Galveston, for free. You could pay the county $10 and stay for a year! I digress....Power is vital and you need options. As you know we have a lithiam battery bank of 800 amps factory and that is huge for this size RV. The trick is filling the batteries and this rig has a second dedicated altinator in the Transit engine to do that while you are driving. After that you have the sun and we have 4 nice 200 watt panels on top with another 300 watts we can plug in on the side. Then there is the duel fuel genny that is fantastic when you need it. It will draw from either your big propane tank or gas tank with the flip of a switch. Finally there is the option to plug in with a 30 amp service. We don't actually even travel with the cable because we never use it. The batteries will run everything (including AC) through the 3000 watt inverter but when it is really hot out and the AC is on 24-7 you will need to keep them topped off with the genny or by driving. Yesterday it was 109 and humid so we did have to call on the genny. Let me know if you would liek to discuss more.
@@ricktanner9817 Thank you Rick. So very generous of you. I will take you up on that. Til then so pleased to hear your description of power with your set up. Wow! FYI Agree 100% with your campground digression!
Thanks for the videos. I had been dreaming of either an Ekko or Aeon but between the prices and limited garages (compared to your van) I was still hoping for something better: and it seems the Cross Trail XG might be the answer. I'm curious of your thoughts regarding winter/below freezing of your rig, whether it is a consideration for you or if you've thought of improvements you would make for the cold. I'm based in Canada with most of my travel done in the fall and winter, heading south to mountain bike in Utah and Arizona so I get exposed to a lot of chilly weather. thanks.
The Crosstrail is a 4 seasons RV. We didn't need to make any changes there. The furnace and hot water are very efficient propane with a very large tank. All the water tanks are on heated pads, and the entire RV is very well insulated. Driving in show and ice is actually amazing with the full-time all wheel drive, lift kit, and all terrain tires. We have spray many nights in the single digits with no issue, always without hookups. This rug is a beast in the cold.
@@ricktanner9817 thanks so much for the response!
What are the specs of the external solar port on the renogy MPPT? Max volts/amps? This is impossible information to find online, but you seem to know your stuff!
I looked through my documents and could not find the specs. I sent a request to Coachmen and will let you know what their response is.
Great vid, I wish it was a real bedroom and not a flipup bed to hallway. That looks cheap and tacky. I am glad its a Ford though.
This style bedroom is not for everyone but works for us.
I really like your videos! Very informative with no frills nor advertisements/endorsements. I really learn a lot in my research in this RV! Questsions: are the tanks internal or external? Any insulation/heat to make it 4 season capable?
Thanks so much, that is very kind of you. The tanks are external but are on heat pads. Flip that switch, and you are 4 season. We spent weeks in the teens and overnight single digits. No issues there.
Geat viceo. Thanks. What is the average MPG?
Between 13 and 15 mpg. The reasons this is not better are the following. Full-time all wheel drive, lift kit, all terrain tires, a second alternator to feed house batteries, and one additional item/feature that I can not recall.
This is refreshing considering the miserable stories from others looking for clicks.I have a hard time believing that all the doom and gloom is as widespread as they want us to believe. I’m getting ready to buy a Revel and start my retirement years traveling the country,looking forward to it. Thanks for the video
Thanks for the response. I think Revel is a great brand and a very good-looking rig with a lot of advantages. Enjoy the outdoors!
Did you have an independent inspection before purchase?
No, we did not. This was our 6th RV purchase. 3 of which were new. We did spend 3 days at the dealership campground testing every system.
Hey thx so much very nice to hear the positives! I believe there is more of us with good stories vs bad. Speaking all good things with my Thor Tellaro 2021 20AT! ❤It 3 yrs of smooth sailing and great fun! So thx for sharing!
Absolutely! Thank you 😊
Rick, have you camped in Critter in freezing temperatures? Is the Cross Trail Extreme a four season RV? Thanks
Many nights in the single digits. Furnace is propane and very efficient. Never had an issue with anything freezing. All tanks are on heating pads. Per Coachmen, it is a 4 seasons RV. Drives great in show and ice as it has a lift kit, all terrain tires, and full-time all wheel drive.
Hi Ricky, I hope you're doing well. I just a few questions, if you don't mind. 1- How did you take the decals off the front portion of the cabin? Did you get up on the hood? or use a scaffold system? Trying to figure out the best way to reach it using the typical ladder. 2- Did you ever figure out an upgrade to the kitchen cabinet hinges? They're already starting to come off the cabinets. 3- Do you have a TPMS? if so, where did you attach the signal booster to get power? Thanks as always for helping out the Newby here! 🙂
If I remember correctly, I got on top and laid down, reaching over. We have yet to find a replacement for the hinges. I actually use the Ford app to check my tire pressure. Also good to check oil life and a number of other items. Keep in touch!
@@ricktanner9817 Thank you. Your modification videos have been very helpful in getting my 20XG ready for travel. Hope to see you on the road!
Hey Rick,we really appreciate all the content you put out about this rig! Wondering if there’s any apps that you use in your boondocking adventures?
Sometimes. Free campsites.net is one and occasionally Overlander.
What’s the max tow rating? I’m looking for one on the E-450
4,000 lbs.
I am in the market for this model RV so thanks for the informative videos. Your sink mod...pictures and explanation of the process might save some of us from some mistakes and do overs!
Glad it was helpful! We feel like the sink replacement is a must. Hopefully Coachmen takes notice and makes the change on the 2025's.
Good job to both of you 👍👌 I liked your mods👍👌
Thanks so much!
Loved your review ❤️ the vancaskeys loved your class B+ van and so do i. I'm an all around handyman and your issues are easy fix👍 I will get the same one. Very cheap too😊
We were excited to have the Vancaskeys do a video review of our new RV. I believe that is the most popular video they did this year. You wouldn't be "Traveling Robert" from KZread, would you?
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Thanks 😊
Glad to hear they were helpful to you. I'm having exactly the opposite experience with MHSRV and Nolan. Perhaps it depends on who you are and your social status. I purchased my motorhome from Nolan on May 21st and it's June 6th today and I'm still waiting for them to make the repairs. The solar panel was promised to be installed immediately following the closing but I'm still waiting for the panel to arrive. They aren't willing to provide any loaner vehicle nor help out even though I'm stuck at someone's house waiting for the vehicle to be repaired. Enough ranting since it was partially my fault for trusting that he would address the issues and purchase the vehicle without having all the issues completed. High price for the lesson but well taken. For future RV buyers, after conducting the pre-purchase inspection, ensure they've made all the repairs before closing on your RV. Don't make the mistake I made. They don't care about you once you pay and purchase the RV.
First, I'm very sorry to hear of the crazy delays you are faced with. I am not sure how much status my KZread videos carry with MHSRV, but I am happy to reach out to them on your behalf if you would like me to try that.
@@ricktanner9817 Thanks, Ricky. I really appreciate it but I had it with Nolan. Unless you're an influence or have a high social status, he WILL ignore you and treat you like a maggot. I'm a retired US Army officer, who's qualified to help people with mental health issues. I'm trying to use the motorhome to travel across the country and bring help to them. I usually have a very positive outlook but after the way Nolan treated me immediately following the closing and after begging and begging for his help, I'm still at a loss how he's ignoring my request for help. After admitting their mistake and making me wait for 2 weeks, they still won't give me a definitive resolution or a loaner car so I can get around. His latest reply is that I'm not his only customer so I need to simply wait until his reply. Can you believe it took them 2 weeks just to correct an email address for the RV Complete program since they were sending all the info to the wrong address. I could go on but I'll stop here. Anyway, thank you for your videos on mods. It's definitely helpful!
It’s great that you tell of the problems and how they were resolved. I’m glad there was no fire due to the incorrect cable being used. Hopefully Coachman doesn’t do that mistake again after you made them aware? I look forward to your next video.
I had not thought of that, but yes, there could have been a fire. I do know this went up the chain at Coachmen, and I have received emails from them this week following up.
I’ve heard recently about pex fittings being used on flex hoses throughout the industry resulting in leaks. Is this really an issue?
Ours is pex fittings on pex hoses. The issue we had was the hot water pex hose in the shower was cut slightly too long during the build. This put pressure on the fitting/fixture and resulted in a slow leak. There was no water damage, but it was a pain getting to it and correcting it.
while you don't have a huge following you do have some folks that follow and i don't think that hurts you getting attention. while many people brag about it i'm not impressed with coachmen customer service so far and i don't even have any major issues yet. glad you got it resolved. where was ford dealer? you said fort worth (lived there 23 years and daughter is still there) and i'll be in touch with that dealer if i have any issues when out that way.
Thanks! I believe we were at Stanley Ford in Eastland, Texas.
You have a great attitude about RV service and repairs. So glad these issues were quickly diagnosed and repaired. Enjoy your travels.
We were very lucky on this one. Always great to work with professional people that are good at what that do.
nice update
Thankyou.
I agree it's all so negative. I can’t stand them thank you for being so positive
Thanks for your kind comment and for watching my low/no production videos.
I would much rather watch these happy stories. 😃👍🏻
Thanks. I'm sure it won't get a lot of views but for me it's about providing information to those looking for it. I can not imagine ever making money from this KZread channel. Not even if I put some effort into it.
I wondered where you guys were at! I'm so glad you shared this. You have absolutely had fabulous people to work with. I'm so happy you did. Unfortunately, my husband and I are some of those people with the nightmare story. I AM clicking on your story because it IS better news than a lot of stories. We are close to ending a lifetime of RVng after our experience and you are giving us hope and we like your RV. It is sad so many people have had big issues. This was a good video. Safe travels to you!
I'm sorry to hear about your experience. Hopefully, it will improve. We are currently in Louisiana (Lake Charles) catching up with family and friends. I actually grew up here.
@ricktanner9817 Thanks! I think it will improve for sure. You guys sure are going on a lot of adventures to a lot of places! Safe travels to you!
Thank you for sharing. We have a 2017 Coachman Freedom Express 25SE travel trailer that we purchased new in 2018. It has been a great camper. I do have it for sale only because we are hoping to purchase a small Class C so that we can bring along the boat. I really want to take a look at a small Coachman Class C. I can't seem to find any in the State of Maine. Happy travels to you.
Best of luck finding your next RV. Hope it all works out for you. We have not towed a boat but did tow a small moving trailer almost 3,000 miles with no issues.
I bought a 2023 20XG new from a small dealership in Western North Carolina. I too had a few, what I would consider minor problems. Coachman along with the dealership fixed them promptly and at no cost to me. We have put 10,000 miles on our 20XG and have enjoyed the experience since day one. This is our first RV and I have no doubt that we made the right decision. If I had this to do again, I would. Great Job Coachman and Miles RV in Hendersonville NC.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Question, I was just informed that the bathroom sink actually goes into the black water tank and not the grey water. Is this also true on the 2023 models?
Hey Rick I just purchased my 20XG. I have a few questions for you as an experienced user of the 20XG. May I contact you via email?
Sure, [email protected]