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Great explanation of the response settings, btw: middle setting is designed for leads and will decay slower, while the upper one is really djenty and the bottom setting is in between the other two :) you should try comparing the middle setting to the G-String as the slope is pretty closely matched to the ISP there!
Haha - spoiler-Alarm: this is the new upcoming and not yet announced version! But please keep the video online! I love little leaks like this^^
Great video as usual, man! Love your tone in this one in particular
thanks for the demo , the best demo by far, what is your bands name ?
Thank you so much for the kind words! I really tried to make this demo "based on real world effects", and glad it shows! My bands name is TEMPEST - link should be at the very bottom of the description :-) thanks for checking it out!
I got my gehenna in my fx loop return and I cannot get any distortion tones all I get is an overdrive sound even with gain cranked how did you set up your gehenna ? In front ?
For the greater part of this video, I am running the Gehenna straight into a clean solid state power amp. At the later portion in the video I am running it out-front into the clean channel of the amplifier. The Gehenna has two gain stages being footswitchable - are you on the "correct one"? Does it change in case you run the pedal through the clean channel? If yes, maybe somethings wrong with your FX Loop. Also, many amps do not activate the FX Return unless you plug something into the FX send, like my Bugeras here for instance, without any footswitch connected. When doing this kind of test, please make sure to have the volume set very low and/or the standby turned so that your amp is silent, otherwise you might be exposed to super loud cracks and pops, which are harmful for both your ears and gear.
2:30 "What is NAM and how does it work?". So far the answers are "it's seemingly a waste of time", and "it DOESN'T".
Okay, that's just, like, your opinion, man. And pretty wrong as well. NAM works pretty well and is now adopted on a lot of technologies. But granted, this video perhaps needs a follow up, ALOT has changed during the last year or so.
Left is symmetrical clipping, middle is led clipping and right is asymmetrical
Thanks for highlighting this! This is a section where I miserably failed to inform myself before making the video. But I only have time around midnight to shoot these, and I was pretty much dead when I did this one in particular. ;-)
Absolutely DISGUSTING sounds! Love it!
Sounds like an amp! Tight chugs with no boost.
Don’t forget, you can get these products at Eastside music supply in Nashville, Tennessee, Tennessee .
Sorry, I had no idea that was the case, but currently seems to be sold out, and as far I understood the recent post of Lichtlaerm, US distribution will move completely to CultFX. I will check on this and eventually uupdate the description accordingly, thanks for pointing out!
@@PippPriss I only know that they’re sold there because @Danielringl told me
@@PippPriss not completely: EMS is and will always be our dealer! Cult-FX is just managing our US warehouse (direct orders from our shop by US customers will be shipped by them) 😊
Sounds great to me. You can always add a noise gate. I always use a noise gate because I’m always in the super gain territory. lol Edit: Can you please make a couple captures of it for nam? Then I can see if I really want to buy it for myself? Thanks
Yeah, adding a noise gate perhaps will help with the squeal, but on the initial reviews I felt that would be cheating 🙂 On the NAM-thing, I can talk with Daniel if he is okay if I capture the pedal. Without Lichtlaerm Audios' permission, I would not feel okay doing that, especially since they were kind enough to borrow the pedal to me specifically to review.
@@PippPriss Sounds good with me. Totally agree. Thanks for the demo
Nice vid man. Am doing research right now to get some sort of in-ear monitoring for the band I play with.
Glad you like the video! If you need any further help regarding feature set or so, you know where to find me! Hit me up direct and we can have a chit-chat on the topic! :-)
At 7:42, that said all I wanted to know. Nice find.
Thanks! I actually have the amp Maiden allegedely originally used on the album up my way - the Gallien Krueger ML250. Very excited for this one coming to my place, hopefully can make a video on this during next week.
sounds great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you!
Best OD out there
I'm a big fan, but I think $640 U.S. is WAY TOO MUCH just a "Player" with no additional effects other than reverb. $399 U.S. would be better IMHO as you'll most likely use your own made tones, or others made by other people, not NAM. Please understand I'm not putting this down in any way. But my $179 Tonex One can do 90% of what this can for over 3 times less? Sounds just as good. I run a $179 Tonex One Pedal into loop 1 of a $449 Boss MS-3 Multi Effects Switcher, and it's crushing. That $629, and I have almost every effect Boss makes, with all the tones in the world I want with the Tonex. I believe to be the best budget option right now for every guitar player to be honest. If this was $399, I'd consider running this onto my Boss MS-3 instead as I do believe this is the future of Modeling.
I think a straight comparison between the ToneX One and NAMplayer is somewhat misleading, since the NAMplayer is capable of quite alot more than the original ToneX pedal as well, and that in turn has more capabilities than the ToneX One. But, it also cannot be argued that IK Multimedia have struck a master coup with the ToneX One. The feature set for the price point is sheer insanity, and they are selling the ONE pedals like hot cakes, rightfully so. Combining that with the BOSS MS-3, or a Line 6 Helix Stomp or similar is a super powerful rig which gives you more than you could ever need. The NAMplayer on the other hand is and will perhaps remain a niché product for early adaptors and fans of the NAM technology. I really hope they take off however, as the product is great. NAM captures are just a tad more responsive in the way it reacts, and I am at a point where I only can hardly live with the compromises ToneX let me live with. I received an heavy discount for making the video, but I would have certainly as well bought the pedal full price.
So are these good for live use sent to FOH from Captor X? Or just best for plugins?
These are good for all applications - plugins, mixing, using in and IR loader for live use. There are no specifics which exclude them from using live to FoH - in fact, the smoothed out frequency response will perhaps make sure that you get a more consistent and smoothed out tone from venue to venue :-)
Just wondering when working with mpl takes you didn't opt for elastique pitch before glue?
I cannot remember really, but no, I cannot remember using any elastique pitch or so. It could however be that elastique pro 3 was set as default stretch algorithm. However, whatever changes applied for MPL, they also certainly applied Vocalign Project 5. I think the Vocalign is more streamlined and intuitive in it's usage and giving a bit better results. That said, MPL is PERFECT for somebody not needing ultra-tight vocal, and it's free (at least this version, I think the second version is also like only 20/30 $ or so). You cannot argue with that. It's incredble, that it's available at all.
Great video
what good does that do on a computer-
Not really much. It uses your GPU quite intensive when doing the training, and NAM itself is a bit more CPU hungry than the ToneX software it seems. However, I have a strong computer and never had any issue.
@@PippPriss i meant i dont wan t a computer while playing
Stl is much less cpu intensive than nam. I like that.
Absolutely fair assessment. I have not measured CPU usage, since that is not my concern. But for what it does, ToneHub Tracer works really well. I'd say it's somewhere between ToneX and NAM, quality-wise.
This vs tonex for high gain? Purely tones.
Is there a specific reason how you can't to this conclusion? NAM is generally known to make better captures overall. But curious to hear different thoughts around the subject
Yeah. But Tonex (and others) already have Soooo much content! So many great captures... Pretty late to the party!
Very true, I would have expected something like this around 2019, to be honest.
NAM did what Quad Cortex has been promising to do for years now..... great job!
Closest competitor is the Amperium Live, which is out of stock, but, really good as well.
How many stock captures come with it and do you know where they came from (such as ToneHunt)? Same question for IRs
Stock captures sound great. I personally enjoy all of their Marshall captures the most. But the SLO 100 capture also sounds great, too. But to be also frank: there are not many stock captures yet. But I confident there will be more in future.
There are around 20 stock captures or so, maybe a bit more (haven't counted). The stock captures, to my knowledge, are not taken from ToneHunt or anything, since that is not legal to just take them and include them into a commercial product without prior consent of the actual capture-creator. I guess, these are self-made by the folks at DIMEHEAD with their own equipment..
Is it possible that the DV77 has been spec'd to fit perfectly into the Slipknot drumset sound? I tried DV77 irs which came free with my Audio Assault purchases. The DV77 never really satisfied me in the context with my drum sound
Very much possible, since these are the signature loudspeakers of Mick Thomspn from Slipknot. They are their own animal, and not completely my cup of tea, but they certainly are good speakers in the context of music like Slipknots' music.
Great review! With IK and MOD Audio, and now Dimehead, it's great to see EU based companies killing it in this space.
this is far from my riffage speed and tone but the stl sounded more beast to my untrained ear
Mine is about to ship and I'm also super-pleased how quick Dimeheads reponds to e-mails. I wanna use this in conjunction with H90. I'm a bit bummed, the NAM pedal doesn't have a pre-IR stereo insert. In that case, we could do stuff like sending a stereo signal with IR to FOH, and let's say a monitoring signal without the IR to a guitar cab, both with all effects from the H90 or whatever FX pedal you are using. Maybe an idea for the next product: The NAM Player Plus. ;D
Evolution is a continuous process. ;-)
First: Very cool video. Thank you for coming up with this topic! I thought about this for quite a while with my last band, but hesitated too long with a full concept, so it never came to this ... (sigh). I have a MOTU 24ai, that I wanted to use just as you used the XR18+the DN4816. It has 24 great line outputs on the backside, that just have to be connected to XLRs, plus the option to connect e.g. 2 ADA8000/8200 via ADAT. Just one height unit in the rack for itself. So, with the ADAT option, incredible 16 ins plus 40 outs, all controllable over the network/ethernet AVB or AVB over USB, with USB audio interface option, so you could either just set up and forget the mixer, running it standalone, or even record the 16 ins (or even additional sums or submixes) with some basic EQ and comp settings, which actually sound really good. I just was not aware of which options to use for the IEM units without breaking the bank. and how the antenna thing could be handled safely. So this video was great for giving me some options and ideas, how this could be done. Also, the router setup in your rack is really nifty. I like that! I have a few questions: How happy are you with the IEM modules in your rack, do they actually fully satisfy everyone? Which Inear headphones do you use? Do you use instrument cables to your floorboards, or wireless options, and if wireless, what do you use? Does the drummer get the monitoring from the FoH, analog outs with headphone amp or does he get it from the headphone out? (So he potentially could get the exact same mix every time with his click fed into one analog in, so you could even run a "silent rehearsal room" with just drums aloud, for the option to record the whole band like in a studio, with silent guitars/bass/keys?) Btw, I see no problem in not using a splitter in the front, but just using the digital mixer + the midas as the splitter. Actually, I think splitters have their own problems, that I personally would want to avoid. I think, the FoH engineer could happily live with everything you give him, what comes out of your analog outs should be more than clean enough if the mixer is set up right. Everything else can be communicated between the band's operator and the FoH engineer, IMHO. Great video, very appreciated!
Thanks a ton for the positive feedback! Let me try to cover your questions, in case I miss anything, just hit me up again: 1) We are very happy with the LD Systems MEI 1000 G2 - for our setup and venues we play (like "medium sized venues for metal bands, fitting a maximum of 600-1000 people), we had no dropouts really. The XVive U4 does have a way smaller range due to the frequency spectrum, but I am quite stationary as the lead singer and guitar player, and the rack is always on stage at the front of the drum riser, or directly underneath it, so it's at max 5 meters away from me - personally never had a drop out on stage, way more often have dropouts in rehearsal, since we rehearse in an leftover bombing shelter bunker (in Germany, that's quite common). So I personally, am truly happy with the XVive U4. 2) We all use SHURE SE-Series headphones, Drummer and guitar player use the SE215, Bass player uses the SE425, and since I am deaf on one-side, I have on my hearing ear a single SE535, on my deaf ear the stock SE215. I have to stress how much I love the SE535! There are maybe the best investment I have done in my entire musicians career. SE215 are a muffled, blanket-topped mess in comparison. Not bad by any means, but bad in comparison with the SE535 certainly! 3) The guitars are connected wireless to the floorboards, we use for that purpose the Line 6 G10 and Line 6 G10S (got a video on my channel on the pedalboard, in case you are interested! 🙂 ) both guitarist' floorboards have DI-Boxes, which take the cabinet-emulated signal via an 4-cable-XLR snake from our boards to IEM-mixer. Also, my main vocals are carried over this XLR snake to the mixer as well. If the venue has it's own cable, I just place a small 1-channel-splitter between the venues XLR cable and my microphone, so splitter input goes to mic, splitter out1 to venue PA, splitter out 2 goes to the snake, which in turn goes to the IEM mixer. 4) The drummer, interesting point which I forgot to mention: We stay completely independent from FoH for our mixes. What we do, is we always have a spare drum-mic kit, which we just slap "on top" during changeover. So we provide Snare and the 3 Toms with our own microphones, which feed into the IEM-system. On smaller gigs, we can use the MIDAS DN4816-O to provide the FoH with our mic'd up drums, that way we save some time during changeover. On bigger festivals etc., we just smack them on right beside the FoH's drums and are happy. 🙂our drummer can live without overheads on his monitors, so that's cool. For Kickdrum, he has a Roland TM-2 Trigger Module and Triggers on his pedals from "On Trigger", which work very well. His mix comes out of the regular AUX2 output, since no stereo is needed, and feeds into his Behringer P2 headphone amp. This entire setup allows us to go FULL SILENT on stage, except for Drums of course. I was super sceptical at first, because I come from a situation where we used to have a fullstack on every side of the stage, no matter what size the venue, and I loved that as well, as it oozed rock an roll - however, the sound, our performance and the way I personally can differentiate between the soundsources have massively improved in using a complete silent stage setup. I will never look back on the olden days with loud amplifiers, except with a nostalgia for my youthful years. 🙂
@@PippPriss Ha, I come from the old times in the 80s with mushy Marshall fullstacks and everything, so I exactly get what you mean. Rock'n'roll and emotion, but what a lack of definition and transparency... Quite an investment on the personal IEM equipment that you use, these headphones for your bass player and you are pretty expensive! But I get it, like in the studio, the final stage from electric to acoustic is the most critical one for good results... and if you only have one ear, definition and clarity is everything... Thanks a lot for your detailed answers! Very appreciated!
The MIDAS DN4816-O is affected by the gain controls on the XR18. You turn a channel gain up or down, and it's gonna affect the DN4816-O outputs going to the FOH mixer. As a sound guy, I don't want a feed from your MIDAS DN4816-O. I want full control of the gain going to my mixer. Get a regular splitter snake, give the sound guy a clean signal, with full uncolored isolated gain control. There are many affordable options out there, that cost significantly less than the MIDAS DN4816-O (and do the job properly). :)
While you are correct, that the MIDAS DN4816-O can only give out the signal after the input gain taper, I personally have a few remarks on that: - Adding a regular splitter will add at least another HU to the rack for the XLR cables to run from the splitter, if you want to utilize all 16 channels, perhaps even 2HU, because in case you don't go with a very expensive splitter, you will also need a regular patchbay - With proper gain staging (and then LEAVING it that way, doing the rest of gain staging and mixing by other means), there is no issue for the FoH using the MIDAS outputs in my view - We had no issues so far with the sound guys we worked with, in fact, everybody was really happy using our setup/signals - While everybody is different, I personally do not understand the remark to partout not wanting to take our signals. If I'd meet a soundguy rightout refusing to take our signals, okay, then we can roll the traditional way with mic'ing up everything - however, this type of attitude of "my way or the highway" showcases an issue which we very often face: soundguys often think that the band is at their mercy, when the reality is, that there should be collaboration to get the best results. Also, even though I am taking your comment as an example, I want to stress that I am not implying you are that way, just using your comment to make a case point here 🙂 My personal reality and experience is, that we much rather face people not knowing how to properly do the job of the FoH, and we are partially taking that job over as well, and thus we needed something which we, in case needed, can output not only the incoming signal, but actually being able of putting out the processed signal as well. But, in any case, we are always prepared to just run the traditional mic'd up setup, if that's what the engineer prefers - after all, our setup is mainly to curate our IEM-mixes towards us, and having the MIDAS is just the icing on the cake. But the few occasions, where we could set up a silent stage and have the engineer take our signals directly, the feedback was very positive, stating things like "I never worked with an easier setup" etc. - seems like we must be doing something right.
Thanks for this video Phillipe. Exciting times!
Great Song! I will check out your band tempest!
Very promising new piece of gear ! In my watch list now ....
Compared to Tank G, it is 20 times cheaper, but the quality difference is no more than 30%.
Have not tried or heard really of the Tank-G, I will read a bit into what i5 is and what it can do. But it seems to be a very cheaply made Chinese product, kind of a rip off of the ToneX pedal. As time progresses, things will become cheaper and more accessible. However, I also find it important to support domestic and underground pedal developers who really innovate. DIMEHEAD definitely are in the second group of companies :-)
You are a killer riffer, not enough riffs in this video. every video for whatever reason must have tons of RIIIFFFFSSS, WE WANT MORE RIIFFFFSSSSS LOL . Cheers. Ed😅🤣😂😂🤣😅
Tonehub's biggest downside is the subscription. On the long run say 2 years of subscription and you could have a tonex one from that price :D
Also probably the tracer is the dev. tool that they used to make the tones in tonehub for years
Interesting piece of gear, but a little too pricey for me. I have been using NAM captures directly in Audio Assault Amplocker software via their custom NAM Player. I load a capture, tweak it with stomp boxes or effects pedals as needed and save that as a Amplocker preset. I then use my midi control pedal to assign different presets to banks in the pedal. It's a low tech way to do it, but it works.
How much space is available for profiles cab etc?
There's approximately 3gb of storage on the device... a NAM file is about 290kb, and an IR is roughly 100kb. Everything is loaded via a USB stick, so it's easy to quickly change things up whenever you need to do so.
I find Nam profiles too sterile!!!
Hey, not sure what that means - but for me, the best thing about NAM is being able to train models of my own gear. Have you had a go at reamping and training your own amps/pedals yet? I assure you it's one of the most awesome experiences =)
NAM is one of the best things that has happened in guitar/bass VST world in a long time.
The gain seems promising!
Thank you for that great review :) ... This unit is quiet overpriced !
Great pedal, but for me the major feature (parallel output without IR) isn't that good because the pedal doesn't have FX loop. If your use some modulation pedals and/or specific reverbs/delays (which normally are used after drives) the parallel output becomes just useless because one of the two signals will be dry. Cool video, bro!
The order of linear reverbs / delays and modulation effects don't matter if they are before or after the Cab IR (which is also linear). Delay pedals usually take a mono signal and then become stereo, so that's solved too. You'll be fine either way!
@@DomMcsweeney-DoomPlugs You're right, but the cab sim out is still XLR, probably mic level (I didn't found this info). So you'll need extra equipment to match connections/impedance anyway
@@dillpereira250 *it can be on both the xlr and 1/4" jack outputs. You can choose CAB on/off with the 1/4" output.
@@DomMcsweeney-DoomPlugs Yeah, but I can't use it this way on stage sending a signal to the poweramp + real cab and other signal to FOH with all the fx and cabsim. That's why hx stomp is still so usefull on stage
If you have a Hx Stomp, you should then run the NAM player with 4 cable method into your Helix. Job done!
What about latency?
None at all - official statement is 0,5 ms of latency, and I believe that.
@@PippPriss That´s good.
Amazing! 🤘 Incredible that there's a pedal out now on NAM.
This thing has a major oversight in my opinion - no high cuts - and while you can do this later if you're recording, it's not so simple live. I mentioned this on their FB page and they wrote - 'great idea, we can implement that later in a firmware update!' - but I'm not gonna buy it unless it's there.
I am in close discussion with the inventor, and this is also on my Feature Request list in the IR section. HP and LP would be beneficial adjustments. And to be honest, I had issues with the noise gate, it was totally stuttery. After a single day of recoding, Dirk provided me a test firmware update with a vastly improved noise gate. ONE.SINGLE.DAY. ;-) So I have high hopes for highpass/lowpass. Also; eventually reshoot your IR with the High pass and Low pass cut which you usually go with. Might be worthwhile a workaround.
I think this is totally worth its value. Im a huge fan of the nam as it compares side by side with the other profilers. It just absolutely smokes everyone. I just have a fear of buying this because I've never heard of this company and i feel like there is no consumer protection from the states (thats where im from). What if they get stuck on backorder for two years? What if my product comes broken? What happens if there is a flaw in the machine that makes it break after a few years? Im super impressed with the latency, sound quality, and convolution reverb. But yeah, i trust boutique builders with analog circuits but this just seems like a risky purchase. Call it my anxiety though lol. I wish them nothing but success and i hope to see them do rewlly well because i love that they are putting nam on live stages.
It's a early adaptors product, that's for sure. But I genuinely believe that this could bring the company to new exciting heights, and therefore it's well worth the investment and "risk". To be fair - if my warranty period expires, then I am also screwed at any other retailer. And I trust this basis more than the ToneX Pedal, to be honest - that one already failed me after 7 months of rudimentary use, and took 6 weeks and 10 mails (not exaggerating) from the seller to IKM to be repaired.
@PippPriss but at least there was support for that. I feel like they are too small to be able to fix the issue. But you have a good point... will definitely think about it. The build quality on high production models are intentionally not the best so you have to buy it again. I can imagine this boutique brand wanting to make something that lasts a while.
@@rethinktone I think planned obscolescence is not necessarily a thing within the guitar gear market, because this stuff is not underlying that of needing constant refreshing, like in other consumer hardware. But absolutely, think well about what you need and spend your money wisely. If you are more into needing full suite effects, maybe the Kemper Player is better for your needs. If you want the highest fidelity capture, well then it's NAM. If you want middle-of-the-road, but way cheaper, then rather ToneX. 🙂
@PippPriss for me the kemper player is just pointless. I know people like the UI of it. But I'd rather just pair my tonex with an hx effects. This really is compelling and I wouldn't mind having both. And I'm not one to usually have extra shit I don't need. The ecosystem of the tonex looks so nice and easy compared to nam.
"smokes" dude you can't her a difference in the NAM on pc vs tonex quality profiles. Null test maybe, but in real world? "Smoke"? that's hype
Latency?
The official statement is ~ 0,5ms of latency. I have to calculate that yet, but for me indescernible, no latency to detect at all, and I am quite sensitive. Anything around 10ms is already a tad too much to me.
Highly overlooked pedal fact for me: runs full NAMs with zero detectable latency when playing. In fact it feels like realtime. Of course technically it's not. But man, 0.5ms... that's 0.0005s. Thats just a tad slow than a lighting strike.