Too many sprints, short distances, and mass starts, and now without the Russians, Klæbo has no consistent competition. It's gonna be a joke now.
@ellen5165 Жыл бұрын
Aren't there more overall events now, with addition of mixed team and possibly other events? If so, that provides more opportunities for podiums for the current athletes which means a comparison of podiums isn't an accurate measure. Not being critical, just curious since I wasn't following the sport much until Klaebo.
@brendancycling12 Жыл бұрын
you should do more videos! Good content on your channel!
@gingervsginger73052 жыл бұрын
You also have to point out that during the 2010's pre covid we had about 25-35 Individual competitions each season. Which is less then they had back in the 2000's when Northug hadn't turned 24. In the early 2000's you had about 20 Individual competitions. Then in the mid to late 2000's you had 25-30 Individual competitions. And if you go even further back in time to when Dæhlie was dominating in the 90's, the Individual competitions was down at 11-16. Until they bumped it up to 19 in the 1998-99 season which was Dæhlie final season. He won his 6th Overall Title that year btw. During this season 2021/2022 the Individual competitions has been down at 12. Due to 8 of them being cancelled. 25 Individual competitions in 2019/2020 due to 5 being cancelled. 21 Individual competitions in 2020/2021 due to 7 being cancelled. So really you can't compare them with just their winnings and podiums when they didn't race the same amount each season. Klæbo and Bolsh along with todays skiers got more time to show of their prime rather than you did back then...
@oldmanfromnorthland73912 жыл бұрын
Way too many sprint races where Klaebo dominates and very few distant races (skiathlons and marathons) where Bolshunov dominates. Klaebo is in a more favorable position.
@mantyguitar2 жыл бұрын
Great video 🔥🔥
@paolofaes28922 жыл бұрын
It’s difficult to compare the era of Daehlie with the actual skiers by counting the wc podiums as at Daehlie time there was less races, in this ranking Northug is 1 st with 84 but Sundby and Cologna are really close with 74 and 73 , and Smirnov is the only competitor in Daehlie era 66, also guide svahn only 46, is better to count the general world cups win and the olimpic medals
@paolofaes28922 жыл бұрын
In my opinion he just has better skis than the others
@michaelrichardson58412 жыл бұрын
Sorry but Brian McKeever won 17 Olympic medals and Marit Bjorgen won 15 Olympic medals.
@madammediocre2 жыл бұрын
I know! I searched for articles about this after and couldn't find anything, which is astonishing. To me this has been the most exciting World Cup news of the year, plus their amazing results at the Olympics.
@ront47822 жыл бұрын
What's the big deal. I'm 68 and do skigang like this 3 times a week.
@Vdoggg2 жыл бұрын
0.4 seconds off from happening in the Olympics. Also - those statistics are a little biased, no? You should consider how likely they are to win classical 10km/15km individual races, not everything else. but great video nonetheless, hope you make more:)
@falling_for31712 жыл бұрын
Lol
@HugoJohannesNurk2 жыл бұрын
And they were only 0,4 sec away from doing that in the 2022 olympics, just four weeks after this video was released.
@falling_for31712 жыл бұрын
K is often working with his team members, they can help him, but he is the best in the sprints. B against him alone, and he is better in distance races
@oskarfast70302 жыл бұрын
Frida won with 12 seconds in ruka and thay both have 2 wc winns thus season so far.
@colemantrebor49442 жыл бұрын
Diggins in 10km classic? I bet she won't even participate in that, because she has zero chance to be even in top 8. And I wouldn't be suprised if Norway isn't even on the podium in the relay. Imo Sweden, Russia, USA and Finland all have better teams.
@colemantrebor49442 жыл бұрын
@@jovonikolic6672 even more after todays skiathlon. Johaug was overpowered as usual, but where the others? Finland and Russia looked very strong so we will see
@Meritokratiabest2 жыл бұрын
There is individual start in 15 k. Sprinting abilities are not relevant.
@juhiss9122 жыл бұрын
Agree with everything but for me Sweden maybe should win the 4x5km relay. I have no idea why you didn't mention them, they are definately the favourites.
@robertpeay7832 жыл бұрын
If Heidi isn’t available for the relay (likely on the 2nd classic leg), I am not sure Norway has the depth. If the Swedes don’t mess up the wax like last years world championships, I think they will be hard to beat.
@niure862 жыл бұрын
Weng is probably not available during the relay. In that case, I don't really see the Norwegians winning against Sweden or Russia.
@dam00r2 жыл бұрын
Tarjei and Johannes Thingnes Bø.
@BarbaOlof2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t rule out the Russian team in the relay. They might not win many golds individually, but have a really good team.
@davd19867 ай бұрын
Yep. They won the team relay and really should have won the team sprint as well.
@juhiss9122 жыл бұрын
I mostly agree with you. But a few other options are: Skiathlon: Holund, he has been training for over 2 months now, preparing for the Olympics. But Krueger is obviously a strong contender. Although, Niskanen is trying trying something in the classic style, so Krueger might drop from the lead group. Another strong pick is Bolshunov, he can stay in Niskanen's pace. Sprint: definately agreed 15km: agreed 4x10km: agreed Team Sprint: I must say Russia has a chance here. Bolshunov might make a gap to Valnes on the 5th leg, and then we would have Terentev vs Klaebo in the final leg. Honestly we have seen incredible performances from Terentev in Classic sprints (not in freestyle tho), so i would take a gamble and go for Russia. 50km: Bolshunov obviously a strong medal contender, but come on, Holund has no competition here. Maybe Krueger and Bolshunov in 2nd and 3rd, but I think Holund. Edit: I forgot Krueger can't compete in the Skiathlon due to covid.
@aarnisaranen2 жыл бұрын
It's sad but this is really wrong. Everyone who follows skiing even a little bit knows that Diggins can't do shit in 10km classic. Also the Norwegian relay team is really weak at the moment and Sweden has been the best team on women's side for a couple of years now. In Oberstdorf they just had miserable skis.
@knutthompson78792 жыл бұрын
I predict Karlsson wins one of those, but going by recent history you really can’t select against Johaug. When the race is important, she shows up and wins. Well except Holmenkollen a couple of years ago. Hmm, I’m talking myself into Karlsson. We will have to see about Covid testing. That has already knocked out the favorite in the men’s skiathlon. One positive test can throw everything out the window.
@igorpiasecki79092 жыл бұрын
Thanks for listening to your audience!
@macgyver44602 жыл бұрын
Iivo wins 15km
@Jari.Isometsa2 жыл бұрын
Very good video
@niure862 жыл бұрын
Isn't it a bit weird to publish this video several days after it was announced that Krüger has contracted covid and may miss most of or the whole Olympics? Given that you rank Krüger as a candidate for medals in several races.
@sycipcroll2 жыл бұрын
No mention of the young Russian, Terentev, for the classic sprint???
@clato742 жыл бұрын
The sprint is in freestyle
@viljarstavrum43232 жыл бұрын
@@clato74 i think he mens the teamsprint with bolshunov and terentev
@clato742 жыл бұрын
@@viljarstavrum4323 that is going to be a thriller👌
@viljarstavrum43232 жыл бұрын
Krueger cant compete in skiathlon, covid....
@igorpiasecki79092 жыл бұрын
Can you do the same for Ladies?
@tapio_m68612 жыл бұрын
Good picks, hard to call you out on any of them. Hopefully the Norwegian team can get their covid troubles sorted, that might be the only worry for them. Interesting how Sweden seems to be in such a lull right now. We need more skiers from these strong countries but Swedes are missing their big hitter. 15K is not a mass start so Klaebo’s good sprint abilities do not matter. Mass starts suck anyways…
@barneystinson21242 жыл бұрын
Skiathlon: Klæbo Sprint: Klæbo 15k: Niskanen, maybe Holund don’t sleep on him. Why would a sprint at the end decide the 15k? Is it mass start this year or something? Relay: Norway Team sprint: Norway 50k: Holund Bolshunov is an outsider for me could win if he had good training since tour de ski
@barneystinson21242 жыл бұрын
Krüger💔 hope he can race the second half at least
@knutthompson78792 жыл бұрын
All of these are pretty solid selections. Not much to debate. I think there will be surprises since a> in this sport, you never know when someone will randomly have a great day or an off day, b> with no competition for the past month, it is hard to guess what form individuals are in and what they have been focusing on, and c> the tracks, facilities, and conditions are a complete unknown. That could well led to tactical miscalculations, waxing problems, and general chaos. But as I say, your picks are excellent guesses.
@aarnisaranen2 жыл бұрын
Krueger...
@barneystinson21242 жыл бұрын
To be fair both of them had the race they are the best at so on that day is was a little lower
@mathstutors88162 жыл бұрын
ALL YOU needed to say- klaebo 9 golds(champs plus olympics) vs bolsh 1.in february gap will increase
@Nerdcrusher2 жыл бұрын
Just counting victories and podiums is misleading. World cup dominance and victory % are probably more accurate. I also think long races and individual starts are more impressive than sprints and mass starts, but that can be debated. What can't be debated, though, is the sheer inflation of the number of races over the years, which of course inflates the number of possible podiums and victories. There are around 30 races in a world cup season these days (not counting the cancelled ones, of course). 20 years ago there were around 20 races. In the 80s there were around 10 races. There were more LONG (30k and 50k for men) races in the 80s than today (only one 30k and one 50k scheduled for the entire season, excluding the Olympics), when there are three times as many races in total. Most races today are of course sprints and 15k races. I personally don't rate sprint very highly, and the increasing focus on mass starts also favours a certain type of skier, at the expense of the "old school" heavy worker. This type is nearly extinct today. Holund or Ebba Andersson are typical modern examples, but they almost always lose to the Klaebo or Weng type. One could look at victory % (victories by number of starts) and see someone like Gunde Svan way ahead of the pack. In fact, only Klaebo has a higher winning % than Svan among either men or women, but again, how highly do you rate sprint and backpacking, which is the majority of Klaebo victories? Klaebo only has 2 world cup victories in individual starts, compared to 9 for Northug. Only a single victory in a race longer than 15k, of which Northug has 12.
@user-lc8md4iy8m2 жыл бұрын
Не справедливо сравнивать достижения Клебо и Бьерна Дэли. Во времена Дэли спринтов не было и все его подиумы - это дистанционные гонки. Отнимите у Клебо подиумы в спринтах и картина станет более объективной
@mathstutors88162 жыл бұрын
отнимите у дали все его не спринты
@user-lc8md4iy8m2 жыл бұрын
@@mathstutors8816 сравнивать нужно в общей системе координат. Спринтов во времена Дэли не было от слова совсем. То есть у Дэли технически не было возможности их бегать :). Исходя из вашей логики тогда Клебо можно сравнивать с абсолютно любым человеком. Я вот тоже не бегаю спринты на кубке мира и поэтому не могу составить конкуренцию Клебо по подиумам в спринтах
@mathstutors88162 жыл бұрын
@@user-lc8md4iy8m клебо можно сравнивать с нортугом,а он был величайшим спринтером. теперь величайший клебо
@user-lc8md4iy8m2 жыл бұрын
@@mathstutors8816 согласен, но и то перекос в сторону спринтов сейчас огромен. Нужно сравнивать не в абсолютных цифрах а в относительных. Например условно клебо поднимался на подиум в 50 спринтах из 100 в которых участвовал. Эффективность 50%. Нортуг поднимался на подиум в 25 спринтах из 45 в которых участвовал. Эффективность 55%. Так будет более обьективно
@olevait78322 жыл бұрын
@@user-lc8md4iy8m Системой координат выбрана эпоха - время того или другого великого чемпиона. Для каждой эпохи характерны свои отличительные черты. Да, спринтерские гонки - это отличительная черта современной эпохи. И это предполагает наличие профильной подготовки. Думаю, совершенно понятно, что нет никакого смысла готовить современного лыжника лишь на дистанцию марафона, которых в году раз-два и обчелся. Как и любой другой спорт, лыжи зависят от интереса обывателя. Нет интереса - нет телепередач, на которых продвигается популярность вида. Так что не надо думать, что появление спринтерских дисциплин сделано в угоду Клэбо - они появились задолго до него. Спринт появился для поднятия общего интереса к лыжам. Если уж дотошно подходить к упомянутой Вами "эффективности", то почему бы не соотнести достижения с трудозатратами. Типа, количество тренировочных часов в год к числу подиумов? Или подсчитать количество заработанного бабла за один сезон, или количество дней, пропущенных по причине травм и т.д. ? Методик подсчета может быть много.
@matthewklick84472 жыл бұрын
I’m really enjoying these videos and your unique analyses! I hope there’s more to come on In-race tactics, technique comparisons, relay team tactics, etc. it’s quite hard to find this sort of breakdown. Keep it up and thanks!
@steveeb95672 жыл бұрын
Definitely the best tactician ! Rarely makes a mistake. Always makes it look easy.
@davd19867 ай бұрын
Wheel-sucking is not a tactic, it’s cowardice. There’s a reason he has a hard time getting on the podium in individual start races
@steveeb95677 ай бұрын
@@davd1986 Drafting is a just a reality, if you don't do it your stupid. Actually I don't think it's that big of a deal in xc skiing. The only sport I can think of that outlaws it is long course triathlon and there it makes sense. JHK is a sprint specialist. He doesn't train for long races. There's no reason to expect him to win those races. I bet you'd wheel suck to win. 🤣
@davd19867 ай бұрын
Drafting happens, but he wheel sucks all the time. He never takes up the pace making when he is in a group. Like I said, cowardice.
@steveeb95677 ай бұрын
@@davd1986 Like I said, he's a good tactician. Why would you lead when you know you can drop everybody on the last hill ? Makes sense to me.
@steveeb95672 жыл бұрын
Fun comparison but skewed by the emphasis on sprinting in modern times. Burn out does seem like a possibility when starting so young. Definitely one of the best rivalries of all time: Klaebo and Bolshunov. My take, Bolshunov might train harder but Klaebo has more raw talent. It's going to be exciting to see how it plays out. On a different note, if FIS is serious about banning perflourocarbon wax they may need to confiscate skis after races to test for cheating.
@kaimeyers51452 жыл бұрын
Seems like klaebo trains really really hard not sure that’s the difference
@tbcyable2 жыл бұрын
But it is timing with the decrease of talent in Germany / Sweden /
@chrisbullock44002 жыл бұрын
Klaebo's results are also skewed by sitting out much of the pandemic last year (with regards to World Cup)... and not to mention the mix up at the finish with Bolshonov last year at the World Championship that took him off the podium. His presence would have impacted Bolshonov's results last year too, as B was largely unchallenged last year.
@HUDO9315 ай бұрын
But also Bulshunov literally didn't even ski in the WC at all last year
@davethorp71792 жыл бұрын
I certainly think it is possible that Klaebo and Bolshunov could end up 1 and 2 all time by many of the metrics. What makes it so special is that their careers are running in perfect parallel and we get to watch them against each other in the same era. Certainly Daehlie and Northug raced against tough competitors, but Klaebo Vs. Bolshunov for several more years might end up as the best rivalry in nordic ski history, no?
@user-zg9ft7pw1u2 жыл бұрын
Soon there will be only sprints and mass starts, they will ruin the sport of skiing, ratings will fall, no one will watch it.
@steveeb95672 жыл бұрын
It's just the opposite, sprints and mass starts are much more exciting to watch. Spectators want to see head to head racing. Time trials are boring. I will say, there may be too much emphasis on sprinting. To race sprint and distance in one weekend is asking a lot of racers.
@davd19867 ай бұрын
LOl. Which spectators? Have you seen the attendance of the majority of these WC races? Also, do you seriously think two races a week is ‘too much?’ 😂🤣😂
@steveeb95677 ай бұрын
@@davd1986 The number of spectators is hard to tell on such a big venue. I think they get two hundred thousand at the big races in Scandinavia. Is it any worse than Alpine event numbers ? The whole idea behind the sprint events is to make it more 'exciting' and media friendly (Television). Racing sprints definitely hurts your performance the next day. I'm not a fan of sprints. I think it makes the athletes have to decide one or the other. Sprint specialist or distance racer ? The trend we see developing is you concentrate on sprint when you're young and then transition to endurance distances when you lose your snap. Cheer up mate it's all just contrived fluff.
@davd19867 ай бұрын
They haven’t had a major crowd since 2011 Oslo. You clearly haven’t watched the races.
@steveeb95677 ай бұрын
@@davd1986 You in Oslo ? No way to tell unless you're there. As far as watching races I only see what shows up on KZread.
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Too many sprints, short distances, and mass starts, and now without the Russians, Klæbo has no consistent competition. It's gonna be a joke now.
Aren't there more overall events now, with addition of mixed team and possibly other events? If so, that provides more opportunities for podiums for the current athletes which means a comparison of podiums isn't an accurate measure. Not being critical, just curious since I wasn't following the sport much until Klaebo.
you should do more videos! Good content on your channel!
You also have to point out that during the 2010's pre covid we had about 25-35 Individual competitions each season. Which is less then they had back in the 2000's when Northug hadn't turned 24. In the early 2000's you had about 20 Individual competitions. Then in the mid to late 2000's you had 25-30 Individual competitions. And if you go even further back in time to when Dæhlie was dominating in the 90's, the Individual competitions was down at 11-16. Until they bumped it up to 19 in the 1998-99 season which was Dæhlie final season. He won his 6th Overall Title that year btw. During this season 2021/2022 the Individual competitions has been down at 12. Due to 8 of them being cancelled. 25 Individual competitions in 2019/2020 due to 5 being cancelled. 21 Individual competitions in 2020/2021 due to 7 being cancelled. So really you can't compare them with just their winnings and podiums when they didn't race the same amount each season. Klæbo and Bolsh along with todays skiers got more time to show of their prime rather than you did back then...
Way too many sprint races where Klaebo dominates and very few distant races (skiathlons and marathons) where Bolshunov dominates. Klaebo is in a more favorable position.
Great video 🔥🔥
It’s difficult to compare the era of Daehlie with the actual skiers by counting the wc podiums as at Daehlie time there was less races, in this ranking Northug is 1 st with 84 but Sundby and Cologna are really close with 74 and 73 , and Smirnov is the only competitor in Daehlie era 66, also guide svahn only 46, is better to count the general world cups win and the olimpic medals
In my opinion he just has better skis than the others
Sorry but Brian McKeever won 17 Olympic medals and Marit Bjorgen won 15 Olympic medals.
I know! I searched for articles about this after and couldn't find anything, which is astonishing. To me this has been the most exciting World Cup news of the year, plus their amazing results at the Olympics.
What's the big deal. I'm 68 and do skigang like this 3 times a week.
0.4 seconds off from happening in the Olympics. Also - those statistics are a little biased, no? You should consider how likely they are to win classical 10km/15km individual races, not everything else. but great video nonetheless, hope you make more:)
Lol
And they were only 0,4 sec away from doing that in the 2022 olympics, just four weeks after this video was released.
K is often working with his team members, they can help him, but he is the best in the sprints. B against him alone, and he is better in distance races
Frida won with 12 seconds in ruka and thay both have 2 wc winns thus season so far.
Diggins in 10km classic? I bet she won't even participate in that, because she has zero chance to be even in top 8. And I wouldn't be suprised if Norway isn't even on the podium in the relay. Imo Sweden, Russia, USA and Finland all have better teams.
@@jovonikolic6672 even more after todays skiathlon. Johaug was overpowered as usual, but where the others? Finland and Russia looked very strong so we will see
There is individual start in 15 k. Sprinting abilities are not relevant.
Agree with everything but for me Sweden maybe should win the 4x5km relay. I have no idea why you didn't mention them, they are definately the favourites.
If Heidi isn’t available for the relay (likely on the 2nd classic leg), I am not sure Norway has the depth. If the Swedes don’t mess up the wax like last years world championships, I think they will be hard to beat.
Weng is probably not available during the relay. In that case, I don't really see the Norwegians winning against Sweden or Russia.
Tarjei and Johannes Thingnes Bø.
I wouldn’t rule out the Russian team in the relay. They might not win many golds individually, but have a really good team.
Yep. They won the team relay and really should have won the team sprint as well.
I mostly agree with you. But a few other options are: Skiathlon: Holund, he has been training for over 2 months now, preparing for the Olympics. But Krueger is obviously a strong contender. Although, Niskanen is trying trying something in the classic style, so Krueger might drop from the lead group. Another strong pick is Bolshunov, he can stay in Niskanen's pace. Sprint: definately agreed 15km: agreed 4x10km: agreed Team Sprint: I must say Russia has a chance here. Bolshunov might make a gap to Valnes on the 5th leg, and then we would have Terentev vs Klaebo in the final leg. Honestly we have seen incredible performances from Terentev in Classic sprints (not in freestyle tho), so i would take a gamble and go for Russia. 50km: Bolshunov obviously a strong medal contender, but come on, Holund has no competition here. Maybe Krueger and Bolshunov in 2nd and 3rd, but I think Holund. Edit: I forgot Krueger can't compete in the Skiathlon due to covid.
It's sad but this is really wrong. Everyone who follows skiing even a little bit knows that Diggins can't do shit in 10km classic. Also the Norwegian relay team is really weak at the moment and Sweden has been the best team on women's side for a couple of years now. In Oberstdorf they just had miserable skis.
I predict Karlsson wins one of those, but going by recent history you really can’t select against Johaug. When the race is important, she shows up and wins. Well except Holmenkollen a couple of years ago. Hmm, I’m talking myself into Karlsson. We will have to see about Covid testing. That has already knocked out the favorite in the men’s skiathlon. One positive test can throw everything out the window.
Thanks for listening to your audience!
Iivo wins 15km
Very good video
Isn't it a bit weird to publish this video several days after it was announced that Krüger has contracted covid and may miss most of or the whole Olympics? Given that you rank Krüger as a candidate for medals in several races.
No mention of the young Russian, Terentev, for the classic sprint???
The sprint is in freestyle
@@clato74 i think he mens the teamsprint with bolshunov and terentev
@@viljarstavrum4323 that is going to be a thriller👌
Krueger cant compete in skiathlon, covid....
Can you do the same for Ladies?
Good picks, hard to call you out on any of them. Hopefully the Norwegian team can get their covid troubles sorted, that might be the only worry for them. Interesting how Sweden seems to be in such a lull right now. We need more skiers from these strong countries but Swedes are missing their big hitter. 15K is not a mass start so Klaebo’s good sprint abilities do not matter. Mass starts suck anyways…
Skiathlon: Klæbo Sprint: Klæbo 15k: Niskanen, maybe Holund don’t sleep on him. Why would a sprint at the end decide the 15k? Is it mass start this year or something? Relay: Norway Team sprint: Norway 50k: Holund Bolshunov is an outsider for me could win if he had good training since tour de ski
Krüger💔 hope he can race the second half at least
All of these are pretty solid selections. Not much to debate. I think there will be surprises since a> in this sport, you never know when someone will randomly have a great day or an off day, b> with no competition for the past month, it is hard to guess what form individuals are in and what they have been focusing on, and c> the tracks, facilities, and conditions are a complete unknown. That could well led to tactical miscalculations, waxing problems, and general chaos. But as I say, your picks are excellent guesses.
Krueger...
To be fair both of them had the race they are the best at so on that day is was a little lower
ALL YOU needed to say- klaebo 9 golds(champs plus olympics) vs bolsh 1.in february gap will increase
Just counting victories and podiums is misleading. World cup dominance and victory % are probably more accurate. I also think long races and individual starts are more impressive than sprints and mass starts, but that can be debated. What can't be debated, though, is the sheer inflation of the number of races over the years, which of course inflates the number of possible podiums and victories. There are around 30 races in a world cup season these days (not counting the cancelled ones, of course). 20 years ago there were around 20 races. In the 80s there were around 10 races. There were more LONG (30k and 50k for men) races in the 80s than today (only one 30k and one 50k scheduled for the entire season, excluding the Olympics), when there are three times as many races in total. Most races today are of course sprints and 15k races. I personally don't rate sprint very highly, and the increasing focus on mass starts also favours a certain type of skier, at the expense of the "old school" heavy worker. This type is nearly extinct today. Holund or Ebba Andersson are typical modern examples, but they almost always lose to the Klaebo or Weng type. One could look at victory % (victories by number of starts) and see someone like Gunde Svan way ahead of the pack. In fact, only Klaebo has a higher winning % than Svan among either men or women, but again, how highly do you rate sprint and backpacking, which is the majority of Klaebo victories? Klaebo only has 2 world cup victories in individual starts, compared to 9 for Northug. Only a single victory in a race longer than 15k, of which Northug has 12.
Не справедливо сравнивать достижения Клебо и Бьерна Дэли. Во времена Дэли спринтов не было и все его подиумы - это дистанционные гонки. Отнимите у Клебо подиумы в спринтах и картина станет более объективной
отнимите у дали все его не спринты
@@mathstutors8816 сравнивать нужно в общей системе координат. Спринтов во времена Дэли не было от слова совсем. То есть у Дэли технически не было возможности их бегать :). Исходя из вашей логики тогда Клебо можно сравнивать с абсолютно любым человеком. Я вот тоже не бегаю спринты на кубке мира и поэтому не могу составить конкуренцию Клебо по подиумам в спринтах
@@user-lc8md4iy8m клебо можно сравнивать с нортугом,а он был величайшим спринтером. теперь величайший клебо
@@mathstutors8816 согласен, но и то перекос в сторону спринтов сейчас огромен. Нужно сравнивать не в абсолютных цифрах а в относительных. Например условно клебо поднимался на подиум в 50 спринтах из 100 в которых участвовал. Эффективность 50%. Нортуг поднимался на подиум в 25 спринтах из 45 в которых участвовал. Эффективность 55%. Так будет более обьективно
@@user-lc8md4iy8m Системой координат выбрана эпоха - время того или другого великого чемпиона. Для каждой эпохи характерны свои отличительные черты. Да, спринтерские гонки - это отличительная черта современной эпохи. И это предполагает наличие профильной подготовки. Думаю, совершенно понятно, что нет никакого смысла готовить современного лыжника лишь на дистанцию марафона, которых в году раз-два и обчелся. Как и любой другой спорт, лыжи зависят от интереса обывателя. Нет интереса - нет телепередач, на которых продвигается популярность вида. Так что не надо думать, что появление спринтерских дисциплин сделано в угоду Клэбо - они появились задолго до него. Спринт появился для поднятия общего интереса к лыжам. Если уж дотошно подходить к упомянутой Вами "эффективности", то почему бы не соотнести достижения с трудозатратами. Типа, количество тренировочных часов в год к числу подиумов? Или подсчитать количество заработанного бабла за один сезон, или количество дней, пропущенных по причине травм и т.д. ? Методик подсчета может быть много.
I’m really enjoying these videos and your unique analyses! I hope there’s more to come on In-race tactics, technique comparisons, relay team tactics, etc. it’s quite hard to find this sort of breakdown. Keep it up and thanks!
Definitely the best tactician ! Rarely makes a mistake. Always makes it look easy.
Wheel-sucking is not a tactic, it’s cowardice. There’s a reason he has a hard time getting on the podium in individual start races
@@davd1986 Drafting is a just a reality, if you don't do it your stupid. Actually I don't think it's that big of a deal in xc skiing. The only sport I can think of that outlaws it is long course triathlon and there it makes sense. JHK is a sprint specialist. He doesn't train for long races. There's no reason to expect him to win those races. I bet you'd wheel suck to win. 🤣
Drafting happens, but he wheel sucks all the time. He never takes up the pace making when he is in a group. Like I said, cowardice.
@@davd1986 Like I said, he's a good tactician. Why would you lead when you know you can drop everybody on the last hill ? Makes sense to me.
Fun comparison but skewed by the emphasis on sprinting in modern times. Burn out does seem like a possibility when starting so young. Definitely one of the best rivalries of all time: Klaebo and Bolshunov. My take, Bolshunov might train harder but Klaebo has more raw talent. It's going to be exciting to see how it plays out. On a different note, if FIS is serious about banning perflourocarbon wax they may need to confiscate skis after races to test for cheating.
Seems like klaebo trains really really hard not sure that’s the difference
But it is timing with the decrease of talent in Germany / Sweden /
Klaebo's results are also skewed by sitting out much of the pandemic last year (with regards to World Cup)... and not to mention the mix up at the finish with Bolshonov last year at the World Championship that took him off the podium. His presence would have impacted Bolshonov's results last year too, as B was largely unchallenged last year.
But also Bulshunov literally didn't even ski in the WC at all last year
I certainly think it is possible that Klaebo and Bolshunov could end up 1 and 2 all time by many of the metrics. What makes it so special is that their careers are running in perfect parallel and we get to watch them against each other in the same era. Certainly Daehlie and Northug raced against tough competitors, but Klaebo Vs. Bolshunov for several more years might end up as the best rivalry in nordic ski history, no?
Soon there will be only sprints and mass starts, they will ruin the sport of skiing, ratings will fall, no one will watch it.
It's just the opposite, sprints and mass starts are much more exciting to watch. Spectators want to see head to head racing. Time trials are boring. I will say, there may be too much emphasis on sprinting. To race sprint and distance in one weekend is asking a lot of racers.
LOl. Which spectators? Have you seen the attendance of the majority of these WC races? Also, do you seriously think two races a week is ‘too much?’ 😂🤣😂
@@davd1986 The number of spectators is hard to tell on such a big venue. I think they get two hundred thousand at the big races in Scandinavia. Is it any worse than Alpine event numbers ? The whole idea behind the sprint events is to make it more 'exciting' and media friendly (Television). Racing sprints definitely hurts your performance the next day. I'm not a fan of sprints. I think it makes the athletes have to decide one or the other. Sprint specialist or distance racer ? The trend we see developing is you concentrate on sprint when you're young and then transition to endurance distances when you lose your snap. Cheer up mate it's all just contrived fluff.
They haven’t had a major crowd since 2011 Oslo. You clearly haven’t watched the races.
@@davd1986 You in Oslo ? No way to tell unless you're there. As far as watching races I only see what shows up on KZread.
Your videos are fabulous! Congratulations!