I certainly think it is possible that Klaebo and Bolshunov could end up 1 and 2 all time by many of the metrics. What makes it so special is that their careers are running in perfect parallel and we get to watch them against each other in the same era. Certainly Daehlie and Northug raced against tough competitors, but Klaebo Vs. Bolshunov for several more years might end up as the best rivalry in nordic ski history, no?

Loving these analysis videos. The Xc ski world needs more of this

My bet is on Klaebo having the most wins after 34 if he doesn't get injured in a career ending way.. He simply has the most potential of any skier because he master short and long distance already.

Amazing videos. Keep up the great work! 🇫🇮

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@alvalof6254

2 жыл бұрын

I agree!! This guy really rocks! :)

Klaebo's results are also skewed by sitting out much of the pandemic last year (with regards to World Cup)... and not to mention the mix up at the finish with Bolshonov last year at the World Championship that took him off the podium. His presence would have impacted Bolshonov's results last year too, as B was largely unchallenged last year.

@HUDO931

5 ай бұрын

But also Bulshunov literally didn't even ski in the WC at all last year

You also have to point out that during the 2010's pre covid we had about 25-35 Individual competitions each season. Which is less then they had back in the 2000's when Northug hadn't turned 24. In the early 2000's you had about 20 Individual competitions. Then in the mid to late 2000's you had 25-30 Individual competitions. And if you go even further back in time to when Dæhlie was dominating in the 90's, the Individual competitions was down at 11-16. Until they bumped it up to 19 in the 1998-99 season which was Dæhlie final season. He won his 6th Overall Title that year btw. During this season 2021/2022 the Individual competitions has been down at 12. Due to 8 of them being cancelled. 25 Individual competitions in 2019/2020 due to 5 being cancelled. 21 Individual competitions in 2020/2021 due to 7 being cancelled. So really you can't compare them with just their winnings and podiums when they didn't race the same amount each season. Klæbo and Bolsh along with todays skiers got more time to show of their prime rather than you did back then...

Fun comparison but skewed by the emphasis on sprinting in modern times. Burn out does seem like a possibility when starting so young. Definitely one of the best rivalries of all time: Klaebo and Bolshunov. My take, Bolshunov might train harder but Klaebo has more raw talent. It's going to be exciting to see how it plays out. On a different note, if FIS is serious about banning perflourocarbon wax they may need to confiscate skis after races to test for cheating.

@kaimeyers5145

2 жыл бұрын

Seems like klaebo trains really really hard not sure that’s the difference

It’s difficult to compare the era of Daehlie with the actual skiers by counting the wc podiums as at Daehlie time there was less races, in this ranking Northug is 1 st with 84 but Sundby and Cologna are really close with 74 and 73 , and Smirnov is the only competitor in Daehlie era 66, also guide svahn only 46, is better to count the general world cups win and the olimpic medals

It is hard to predict how skiers who succeeded so young will develop and how long they will last. There is not much precedent. Will they burn out by 30? Will they get bored? Or can we expect them to remain competitive into their mid and even late 30s? It is hard to guess. Cross country skiing is not as physically degrading as some other sports (say American football or boxing, where injuries generally limit careers to a handful of years) but the grind does eventually have an effect. Regardless it seems inevitable that Klaebo and Bolshunov will be at the top of almost every all time list when they do retire.

Good👏

K is often working with his team members, they can help him, but he is the best in the sprints. B against him alone, and he is better in distance races

Aren't there more overall events now, with addition of mixed team and possibly other events? If so, that provides more opportunities for podiums for the current athletes which means a comparison of podiums isn't an accurate measure. Not being critical, just curious since I wasn't following the sport much until Klaebo.

Just counting victories and podiums is misleading. World cup dominance and victory % are probably more accurate. I also think long races and individual starts are more impressive than sprints and mass starts, but that can be debated. What can't be debated, though, is the sheer inflation of the number of races over the years, which of course inflates the number of possible podiums and victories. There are around 30 races in a world cup season these days (not counting the cancelled ones, of course). 20 years ago there were around 20 races. In the 80s there were around 10 races. There were more LONG (30k and 50k for men) races in the 80s than today (only one 30k and one 50k scheduled for the entire season, excluding the Olympics), when there are three times as many races in total. Most races today are of course sprints and 15k races. I personally don't rate sprint very highly, and the increasing focus on mass starts also favours a certain type of skier, at the expense of the "old school" heavy worker. This type is nearly extinct today. Holund or Ebba Andersson are typical modern examples, but they almost always lose to the Klaebo or Weng type. One could look at victory % (victories by number of starts) and see someone like Gunde Svan way ahead of the pack. In fact, only Klaebo has a higher winning % than Svan among either men or women, but again, how highly do you rate sprint and backpacking, which is the majority of Klaebo victories? Klaebo only has 2 world cup victories in individual starts, compared to 9 for Northug. Only a single victory in a race longer than 15k, of which Northug has 12.

But it is timing with the decrease of talent in Germany / Sweden /

Way too many sprint races where Klaebo dominates and very few distant races (skiathlons and marathons) where Bolshunov dominates. Klaebo is in a more favorable position.

Sorry but Brian McKeever won 17 Olympic medals and Marit Bjorgen won 15 Olympic medals.

Too many sprints, short distances, and mass starts, and now without the Russians, Klæbo has no consistent competition. It's gonna be a joke now.

Не справедливо сравнивать достижения Клебо и Бьерна Дэли. Во времена Дэли спринтов не было и все его подиумы - это дистанционные гонки. Отнимите у Клебо подиумы в спринтах и картина станет более объективной

@mathstutors8816

2 жыл бұрын

отнимите у дали все его не спринты

@user-lc8md4iy8m

2 жыл бұрын

@@mathstutors8816 сравнивать нужно в общей системе координат. Спринтов во времена Дэли не было от слова совсем. То есть у Дэли технически не было возможности их бегать :). Исходя из вашей логики тогда Клебо можно сравнивать с абсолютно любым человеком. Я вот тоже не бегаю спринты на кубке мира и поэтому не могу составить конкуренцию Клебо по подиумам в спринтах

@mathstutors8816

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-lc8md4iy8m клебо можно сравнивать с нортугом,а он был величайшим спринтером. теперь величайший клебо

@user-lc8md4iy8m

2 жыл бұрын

@@mathstutors8816 согласен, но и то перекос в сторону спринтов сейчас огромен. Нужно сравнивать не в абсолютных цифрах а в относительных. Например условно клебо поднимался на подиум в 50 спринтах из 100 в которых участвовал. Эффективность 50%. Нортуг поднимался на подиум в 25 спринтах из 45 в которых участвовал. Эффективность 55%. Так будет более обьективно

@olevait7832

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-lc8md4iy8m Системой координат выбрана эпоха - время того или другого великого чемпиона. Для каждой эпохи характерны свои отличительные черты. Да, спринтерские гонки - это отличительная черта современной эпохи. И это предполагает наличие профильной подготовки. Думаю, совершенно понятно, что нет никакого смысла готовить современного лыжника лишь на дистанцию марафона, которых в году раз-два и обчелся. Как и любой другой спорт, лыжи зависят от интереса обывателя. Нет интереса - нет телепередач, на которых продвигается популярность вида. Так что не надо думать, что появление спринтерских дисциплин сделано в угоду Клэбо - они появились задолго до него. Спринт появился для поднятия общего интереса к лыжам. Если уж дотошно подходить к упомянутой Вами "эффективности", то почему бы не соотнести достижения с трудозатратами. Типа, количество тренировочных часов в год к числу подиумов? Или подсчитать количество заработанного бабла за один сезон, или количество дней, пропущенных по причине травм и т.д. ? Методик подсчета может быть много.

ALL YOU needed to say- klaebo 9 golds(champs plus olympics) vs bolsh 1.in february gap will increase

Don’t care, biathlon better

Ustiugov is better than Bolshunov

@user-lc8md4iy8m

2 жыл бұрын

Why?