Awesome video! What material is that bar?? And what material is the insert?? (HSS with coating or carbide with coating).. Thanks! Best regards..
@gyrogearloose1345Ай бұрын
Great Job friend! Wow, that big boring bar is a monster, and cuts a fine finish. You managed to get a very rigid set-up which really paid off. Great to see your shop and dig the way you do things. Good fortune for you!
@terrycannon570Ай бұрын
I worked for a company in the early 70's that built the type of beams. We used a shop made jig and wedges and a sledgehammer to bend them and then tack them every 6 inches. They were on a tilt table when final welding with a dual wire sub arc machine using 3/16" wire.
@ikkiiiieeeАй бұрын
How did you indicate that by using the body of the live center?
@timetodopatriotstuff23152 ай бұрын
Fosdick, More More speed, and Weiler have three bearings in the spindle for boring heads
@PS-fz2fp3 ай бұрын
No dowels into the existing concrete connecting to the rebar cage?
@swanvalleymachineshop3 ай бұрын
Good one Ken . I watched it twice & i think you pretty well hit the nail on the head . Cheers 👍
@captcarlos3 ай бұрын
Oooooh I doo like that HBM. So much reach. Nice work sorting short run production for this tail stock..
@outsidescrewball3 ай бұрын
Great discussion and build!!!!
@stevechambers91663 ай бұрын
Good job a lot more to them than you would think. and to much work and time in them to not work properly 👍👍👍👍
@peterpeterson76653 ай бұрын
Very interesting project. Is all the bending done cold or is heat applied. What thickness is the web being bent.
@hilltopmachineworks21313 ай бұрын
Quite the process there. Thanks for walking us through it.
@KW-ei3pi3 ай бұрын
I would be very curious as to what kind of system the company was/is using before this. Thanks very much. Regards.
@Rustinox3 ай бұрын
There is indeed a lot of thinking hidden in that part.
@daleolson35063 ай бұрын
Seems like you should have just turned the tube,and been done with it. Too many ads greedy utube scumbags getting as bad as tv
@hmw-ms3tx3 ай бұрын
I agree about the ads but I have no control over that. I never used to monetize my videos so there would be no ads. Then KZread started putting ads in anyway whether you monetized them or not.
@wendell4543 ай бұрын
Love your videos ive ran a lucus 5 for 30 yrs, i wish you would so more of the set ups, customers has no idea how long it takes to get something like that ready to start to machining.
@amilcarespana52163 ай бұрын
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@AnkitJangid-cb6zw3 ай бұрын
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@78sousa4 ай бұрын
That looks identical to how my DeVlieg jig mills clamp the tools.
@codprawn5 ай бұрын
Nice to see an old British lathe still doing a good job. I would say the finest lathes in the World are British and American. The Japanese did a few nice ones and the Italians.
@neffk5 ай бұрын
The spindle taper looks terrible
@hmw-ms3tx5 ай бұрын
While it is in fairly poor condition the video makes it look much worse than it is. After I reviewed the video I went back out and looked at it again because it looked so bad in the video I thought maybe I had missed something. I would estimate that 75% of the original taper is intact and the tools seem to seat properly and work without problem. I've taken some pretty heavy roughing cuts with facemills mounted in the taper and there were no issues. That is why I'm pretty sure this machine had its slideways rebuilt and then had very little use. Most of the alignment checks I did fell within new machine tolerance yet the spindle condition shows this machine has a huge number of hours on it.
@93906mdr5 ай бұрын
Beautiful machine... Scars n all... Mr HMW saw its potential along with its flaws and knew he could overcome.. Thank you for sharing
@swanvalleymachineshop5 ай бұрын
That is a good set up on the draw bar . I think i will have to bite the bullet & make a heap of the Bayonet adapters for the NT50 tooling on my mill & keep running it . It's just a bit of a janky method to grab the tools , but works . My one has the electric interlocks & a time delay before it will let you start the spindle . Cheers Ken , Thanks . 👍
@hmw-ms3tx5 ай бұрын
For me at least, a power drawbar in a milling machine is just after digital readouts in order of importance. They really do make a difference on repetative operations. Ken
@captcarlos5 ай бұрын
That draw bolt system seems robust but a bit complex. Fine if it’s working as designed. You must have bought an INT40 holder with M16 thread, still got them? I thought about just clamping that HSS chamfer tool bit in for retraction through the hole… Save a second or so but what could possibly go wrong! Hahaaa. That HBM has proven useful.
@hmw-ms3tx5 ай бұрын
It has proven very useful. I have a large project underway right now and I would estimate 85% of the non lathe work has been done on this boring mill. The more I use it the more I think I should have got one years ago.
@warrenjones7445 ай бұрын
Excellent description of the de-clutching mechanism. What a great system to prevent whoopsies. The whole system is pretty cool really. And those vise jaws are a interesting concept. Stop pin bores by the looks of things. Did you discuss those in a previous video?
@hmw-ms3tx5 ай бұрын
The holes in the vice jaws are actually there to allow you to set parts at different angles. They come with a map that shows you where to place the pins for a certain angle. You then set a part on the pins and tighten the vise jaws and the part will be at that angle. You are right though, in this case I was using it for a stop pin. I made a mistake part way through when I resharpened the large drill and didn't put enough relief behind the cutting edge. This caused the drill to rub severely and this caused a huge increase in drill thrust. The boring mill feed was up to the task and it bent the stop pin before I realized the problem.
@stovepipe6665 ай бұрын
Did you make any progress on making up a nose for supporting the spindle yet
@hmw-ms3tx5 ай бұрын
I haven't made any progress yet as I have been too busy with a large project. When I get some time I will make one as it seems it would be very handy.
@terryberggren91245 ай бұрын
My boring mill uses a MT 4 spindle I wish it had 40 taper . I have thought about making an adapter from MT4 to 40 taper but never got it done and some people said it would not work. Are you looking for 40 stuff ?
@procyonia36545 ай бұрын
Ive got a MT4 to 30 taper on my smallest HBM, i made it to take BT30 holders because thats what i use on one ofnmy mills. Dont think 40 would work on a MT4 without it being incredibly long
@hmw-ms3tx5 ай бұрын
The 40 taper with power drawbar is hard to beat. I pretty much have all the 40 taper tooling I need but I still search on ebay for odds and ends to round out my collection.
@stevechambers91665 ай бұрын
I bet you was really happy that it had that power drawbar 👍👍👍
@hmw-ms3tx5 ай бұрын
Very happy indeed. Without it I would have been looking to do this job on another machine.
@outsidescrewball5 ай бұрын
🧐 interesting
@hmw-ms3tx5 ай бұрын
Thanks.
@leopold71486 ай бұрын
@ 33:30 Did you have those previous experiences with boring? Because if you think about it. A 45 degree angle will diffuse the force 50% sideways and 50% into the spindel. Creating more sideload. While at 15degree you only have about 25% of the force as sideload and 75% of it going straight into the spindle. Just a quick thought I had.
@sxslayerxs6 ай бұрын
You call this a large lathe? It’s small when you don’t have to use a jog button for dialing in my friend.
@hmw-ms3tx6 ай бұрын
Of course it's not large compared to some, but as the title says it is 'my' large lathe. i.e. I own two lathes, this one and my small one. Having said that, when I first got it I did actually have to ride the clutch to dial in work. A previous owner had the front taper roller bearings so tight you could barely turn it by hand. I backed them off a bit and it is much better. Ken
@jimsvideos72016 ай бұрын
Seems to work pretty ok.
@mikebryan5447 ай бұрын
cool, nice to see different uses as a beginner
@edkeniston47867 ай бұрын
Nicely done!
@mftmachining7 ай бұрын
Excellent job, with some smart tooling. TOP.
@MyLilMule7 ай бұрын
Quite the boring "bar." But when you think about it, you only need the t-slots on one half of the slide.
@hmw-ms3tx7 ай бұрын
I had thought about whether the tee slots needed to go all the way or only half. In the end I decided to go all the way so I could bolt on a counterweight wherever I needed it if imbalance became a problem. Another reason was so I could alway add a back brace to a slender bar if it needed to be stiffened up. This is just a bar that goes from close to the end of the boring bar and then down to the boring slide at an angle, similar to a gusset. Ken
@swanvalleymachineshop7 ай бұрын
Cracking job there Ken . You are getting a lot of use from the HBM . 👍👍👍
@hmw-ms3tx7 ай бұрын
Thanks Max. In the last 3 months or so at least 90% of my time has been on this machine. They are awfully versatile and a pleasure to use. Ken
@BigBoss-rh7zq7 ай бұрын
You may add a counter weight next time.
@neffk7 ай бұрын
My understanding is that the majority of PTO accidents involve a bolt or something protruding from the shaft. Keeping everything low profile on rotating parts is a good idea.
@outsidescrewball7 ай бұрын
Awesome work, thanks for sharing, funny I was thinking why didn’t he countersink and then you show it!!! HNY
@hmw-ms3tx7 ай бұрын
Thanks.
@procyonia36547 ай бұрын
Now thats a proper boring slide, i have one similar to that i mount on my facing head for overturning pump flanges and press bearing journals. Not to be a pain in the arse, but you May want to add a counterweight, diametrically opposed to your tool though. Thats ALOT of load on your spindle bearings. Just bolt a 246 block or 2 on the other side. Fantastic work there brother, real good showcase of run what you brung.
@hmw-ms3tx7 ай бұрын
Thanks. I have a second piece of plate that is the same as the boring bar holder plate (I got them cut at the same time). I got it so I could make another bar holder. I will probably drill holes in it and use it as a counterweight in the future. Even at 40 rpm the imbalance force did not cause any noticeably vibration so I was comfortable with it. However the force of the imbalance goes up to the square of the speed so I wouldn't be able to go much faster before it would be noticeable. Ken
@Armanufacturingskills7 ай бұрын
Amazing video
@hmw-ms3tx7 ай бұрын
Thanks.
@Armanufacturingskills7 ай бұрын
@@hmw-ms3tx welcome
@Armanufacturingskills7 ай бұрын
Nice work
@hmw-ms3tx7 ай бұрын
Thanks.
@Armanufacturingskills7 ай бұрын
@@hmw-ms3tx welcome
@paulmace79107 ай бұрын
Now that is one serious tool. Do they still make the automatic feed style for facing or is that too old school?
@hmw-ms3tx7 ай бұрын
Thanks. I imagine they still make them but they are generally machine specific. Wotan built one for this HBM but unfortunately it didn't come with one. Ken
@hilltopmachineworks21317 ай бұрын
Pretty inventive. Nice job! 👍
@hmw-ms3tx7 ай бұрын
Thanks Tom.
@stanwhyte70287 ай бұрын
Enjoyed! Sounds like someone is regrinding some decent sized drills at 18:30.
@hmw-ms3tx7 ай бұрын
Thanks Stan. It was my father in law grinding some parts in the background.
@funone87167 ай бұрын
Is this a one man shop? The building does not look very old, nice concrete floor, etc. Have you done a shop tour video?
@hmw-ms3tx7 ай бұрын
It's a 2 sometimes 2-1/2 man shop. I haven't done a shop tour video but I suppose I could some day. Ken
@Rustinox7 ай бұрын
That's a good idea to make an XXL fly-cuter. It seems to work very well and leaves a very nice finish.
@hmw-ms3tx7 ай бұрын
Hello Rusty. It turned out better than I had hoped it would, especially the surface finish. Ken
@stevechambers91667 ай бұрын
Well done Ken that couldn’t of worked any better. Not much gonna stop you getting the job done
@hmw-ms3tx7 ай бұрын
Thanks Steve. I agree, it turned out better than I had hoped for.
@kudosjeg7 ай бұрын
40 RPM with that mass, looked way faster and was a pleasure to watch!
@hmw-ms3tx7 ай бұрын
It does look fast, especially when you are standing next to it. The finishing cut at 40 rpm gave a surface speed of 357 feet per minute.
@stovepipe6667 ай бұрын
Nice job on that
@hmw-ms3tx7 ай бұрын
Thanks Stovepipe. Rebuilding this HBM took 2 years and was a lot of work. When I got discouraged I would watch some of your videos to remind myself what the prize was at the end of the rebuild. Ken
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Awesome video! What material is that bar?? And what material is the insert?? (HSS with coating or carbide with coating).. Thanks! Best regards..
Great Job friend! Wow, that big boring bar is a monster, and cuts a fine finish. You managed to get a very rigid set-up which really paid off. Great to see your shop and dig the way you do things. Good fortune for you!
I worked for a company in the early 70's that built the type of beams. We used a shop made jig and wedges and a sledgehammer to bend them and then tack them every 6 inches. They were on a tilt table when final welding with a dual wire sub arc machine using 3/16" wire.
How did you indicate that by using the body of the live center?
Fosdick, More More speed, and Weiler have three bearings in the spindle for boring heads
No dowels into the existing concrete connecting to the rebar cage?
Good one Ken . I watched it twice & i think you pretty well hit the nail on the head . Cheers 👍
Oooooh I doo like that HBM. So much reach. Nice work sorting short run production for this tail stock..
Great discussion and build!!!!
Good job a lot more to them than you would think. and to much work and time in them to not work properly 👍👍👍👍
Very interesting project. Is all the bending done cold or is heat applied. What thickness is the web being bent.
Quite the process there. Thanks for walking us through it.
I would be very curious as to what kind of system the company was/is using before this. Thanks very much. Regards.
There is indeed a lot of thinking hidden in that part.
Seems like you should have just turned the tube,and been done with it. Too many ads greedy utube scumbags getting as bad as tv
I agree about the ads but I have no control over that. I never used to monetize my videos so there would be no ads. Then KZread started putting ads in anyway whether you monetized them or not.
Love your videos ive ran a lucus 5 for 30 yrs, i wish you would so more of the set ups, customers has no idea how long it takes to get something like that ready to start to machining.
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That looks identical to how my DeVlieg jig mills clamp the tools.
Nice to see an old British lathe still doing a good job. I would say the finest lathes in the World are British and American. The Japanese did a few nice ones and the Italians.
The spindle taper looks terrible
While it is in fairly poor condition the video makes it look much worse than it is. After I reviewed the video I went back out and looked at it again because it looked so bad in the video I thought maybe I had missed something. I would estimate that 75% of the original taper is intact and the tools seem to seat properly and work without problem. I've taken some pretty heavy roughing cuts with facemills mounted in the taper and there were no issues. That is why I'm pretty sure this machine had its slideways rebuilt and then had very little use. Most of the alignment checks I did fell within new machine tolerance yet the spindle condition shows this machine has a huge number of hours on it.
Beautiful machine... Scars n all... Mr HMW saw its potential along with its flaws and knew he could overcome.. Thank you for sharing
That is a good set up on the draw bar . I think i will have to bite the bullet & make a heap of the Bayonet adapters for the NT50 tooling on my mill & keep running it . It's just a bit of a janky method to grab the tools , but works . My one has the electric interlocks & a time delay before it will let you start the spindle . Cheers Ken , Thanks . 👍
For me at least, a power drawbar in a milling machine is just after digital readouts in order of importance. They really do make a difference on repetative operations. Ken
That draw bolt system seems robust but a bit complex. Fine if it’s working as designed. You must have bought an INT40 holder with M16 thread, still got them? I thought about just clamping that HSS chamfer tool bit in for retraction through the hole… Save a second or so but what could possibly go wrong! Hahaaa. That HBM has proven useful.
It has proven very useful. I have a large project underway right now and I would estimate 85% of the non lathe work has been done on this boring mill. The more I use it the more I think I should have got one years ago.
Excellent description of the de-clutching mechanism. What a great system to prevent whoopsies. The whole system is pretty cool really. And those vise jaws are a interesting concept. Stop pin bores by the looks of things. Did you discuss those in a previous video?
The holes in the vice jaws are actually there to allow you to set parts at different angles. They come with a map that shows you where to place the pins for a certain angle. You then set a part on the pins and tighten the vise jaws and the part will be at that angle. You are right though, in this case I was using it for a stop pin. I made a mistake part way through when I resharpened the large drill and didn't put enough relief behind the cutting edge. This caused the drill to rub severely and this caused a huge increase in drill thrust. The boring mill feed was up to the task and it bent the stop pin before I realized the problem.
Did you make any progress on making up a nose for supporting the spindle yet
I haven't made any progress yet as I have been too busy with a large project. When I get some time I will make one as it seems it would be very handy.
My boring mill uses a MT 4 spindle I wish it had 40 taper . I have thought about making an adapter from MT4 to 40 taper but never got it done and some people said it would not work. Are you looking for 40 stuff ?
Ive got a MT4 to 30 taper on my smallest HBM, i made it to take BT30 holders because thats what i use on one ofnmy mills. Dont think 40 would work on a MT4 without it being incredibly long
The 40 taper with power drawbar is hard to beat. I pretty much have all the 40 taper tooling I need but I still search on ebay for odds and ends to round out my collection.
I bet you was really happy that it had that power drawbar 👍👍👍
Very happy indeed. Without it I would have been looking to do this job on another machine.
🧐 interesting
Thanks.
@ 33:30 Did you have those previous experiences with boring? Because if you think about it. A 45 degree angle will diffuse the force 50% sideways and 50% into the spindel. Creating more sideload. While at 15degree you only have about 25% of the force as sideload and 75% of it going straight into the spindle. Just a quick thought I had.
You call this a large lathe? It’s small when you don’t have to use a jog button for dialing in my friend.
Of course it's not large compared to some, but as the title says it is 'my' large lathe. i.e. I own two lathes, this one and my small one. Having said that, when I first got it I did actually have to ride the clutch to dial in work. A previous owner had the front taper roller bearings so tight you could barely turn it by hand. I backed them off a bit and it is much better. Ken
Seems to work pretty ok.
cool, nice to see different uses as a beginner
Nicely done!
Excellent job, with some smart tooling. TOP.
Quite the boring "bar." But when you think about it, you only need the t-slots on one half of the slide.
I had thought about whether the tee slots needed to go all the way or only half. In the end I decided to go all the way so I could bolt on a counterweight wherever I needed it if imbalance became a problem. Another reason was so I could alway add a back brace to a slender bar if it needed to be stiffened up. This is just a bar that goes from close to the end of the boring bar and then down to the boring slide at an angle, similar to a gusset. Ken
Cracking job there Ken . You are getting a lot of use from the HBM . 👍👍👍
Thanks Max. In the last 3 months or so at least 90% of my time has been on this machine. They are awfully versatile and a pleasure to use. Ken
You may add a counter weight next time.
My understanding is that the majority of PTO accidents involve a bolt or something protruding from the shaft. Keeping everything low profile on rotating parts is a good idea.
Awesome work, thanks for sharing, funny I was thinking why didn’t he countersink and then you show it!!! HNY
Thanks.
Now thats a proper boring slide, i have one similar to that i mount on my facing head for overturning pump flanges and press bearing journals. Not to be a pain in the arse, but you May want to add a counterweight, diametrically opposed to your tool though. Thats ALOT of load on your spindle bearings. Just bolt a 246 block or 2 on the other side. Fantastic work there brother, real good showcase of run what you brung.
Thanks. I have a second piece of plate that is the same as the boring bar holder plate (I got them cut at the same time). I got it so I could make another bar holder. I will probably drill holes in it and use it as a counterweight in the future. Even at 40 rpm the imbalance force did not cause any noticeably vibration so I was comfortable with it. However the force of the imbalance goes up to the square of the speed so I wouldn't be able to go much faster before it would be noticeable. Ken
Amazing video
Thanks.
@@hmw-ms3tx welcome
Nice work
Thanks.
@@hmw-ms3tx welcome
Now that is one serious tool. Do they still make the automatic feed style for facing or is that too old school?
Thanks. I imagine they still make them but they are generally machine specific. Wotan built one for this HBM but unfortunately it didn't come with one. Ken
Pretty inventive. Nice job! 👍
Thanks Tom.
Enjoyed! Sounds like someone is regrinding some decent sized drills at 18:30.
Thanks Stan. It was my father in law grinding some parts in the background.
Is this a one man shop? The building does not look very old, nice concrete floor, etc. Have you done a shop tour video?
It's a 2 sometimes 2-1/2 man shop. I haven't done a shop tour video but I suppose I could some day. Ken
That's a good idea to make an XXL fly-cuter. It seems to work very well and leaves a very nice finish.
Hello Rusty. It turned out better than I had hoped it would, especially the surface finish. Ken
Well done Ken that couldn’t of worked any better. Not much gonna stop you getting the job done
Thanks Steve. I agree, it turned out better than I had hoped for.
40 RPM with that mass, looked way faster and was a pleasure to watch!
It does look fast, especially when you are standing next to it. The finishing cut at 40 rpm gave a surface speed of 357 feet per minute.
Nice job on that
Thanks Stovepipe. Rebuilding this HBM took 2 years and was a lot of work. When I got discouraged I would watch some of your videos to remind myself what the prize was at the end of the rebuild. Ken