"We aim that they share our joy and that we share theirs, so that both joys are larger because of being shared." (John Piper, "What Jesus Demands of the World", p. 282)
Travis is My HERO!!! Aaron, You can't be Expected to be let loose when your Building on Things that are Untrue!!
@rogerchavez98242 күн бұрын
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@AmberDalton-jg7eu3 күн бұрын
President Gordon b Hinckley stated " we don't believe in the traditional Christ. We believe in a different Christ.
@Jesusismysavior583 күн бұрын
John 1:1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and Word was God. Amen
@cynthiacondron93974 күн бұрын
Excellent
@rosemariebennett72135 күн бұрын
So you're husband calls you out of the grave, not Jesus ? I'm glad I don't have a husband in the church
@laranjoeric5 күн бұрын
Hey Michael. How are you doing? I just watched this video. I pray you are doing well in the Lord.
@Killthesefears10 күн бұрын
Why don’t you guys start calling us latter-day Saints instead of Mormons? oh wait, it’s because you don’t respect us.
@AaronShafovaloff110 күн бұрын
Most of the time it’s just easier to use two syllables. It’s not out of disrespect. There are also plenty who still don’t mind being called Mormons. This was culturally acceptable only years ago, and it is still ingrained. The abrupt change is ecclesiastical, not entirely cultural. We talk to Latter-day Saints (I don’t mind using the title in the right context) regularly. It’s actually rare to hear objections over the shorthand "Mormon." Compare the insistence on using false pronouns. It’s not kind to insist that people violate their conscience; we’d rather not dignify a misnomer. We don’t believe you are of the Church. We don't believe you are saints. We don’t believe you are true members of the Church of Jesus Christ, properly speaking. So we have to evaluate whether we’re using a term as a neutral title, or if it functions as a spiritually significant descriptor. When a term begins to function more as the latter, we reach for other designations. Imagine if we insisted that you called us “members of the holy (c)atholic Church of Jesus Christ, the communion of saints, who alone truly have the one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, one body, and one Spirit,” and then were offended when you opted instead for “evangelical” or “baptist” or “born agains.” Finally, the material we present isn’t exclusively relevant to members of the mainstream LDS Church. It’s relevant to a whole number of sects of Mormonism, or the larger Latter-day Saint movement, some of whom we interact with on a regular basis. If it offends you in the midst of a conversation, we can settle on another brief term. But it’s better that we discuss matters of substance than that we get offended by the innocent use of shorthand. Grace and peace.
@cliffhanger206 күн бұрын
@@AaronShafovaloff1 Wow! what a superb reply!
@Killthesefears10 күн бұрын
You guys just don’t like the fact that he stood up for his beliefs and made you guys look bad in the process.
@AaronShafovaloff110 күн бұрын
We actually don't mind if when Mormons stand up for their beliefs - we prefer it! It shows a principled love for the truth and a care for the substance of things. It provides a wonderful ground for conversation. In the case of Travis, however, his mode seems to be more of rhetorical steamrolling, which resists an exchange of extended, substantial thoughts, and disallows either party to truly make a case for their beliefs. It honestly sounds like the pro-Travis commenters are more impressed with rhetorical aggression, whereas the Christian commenters are more focused on the fruits of the Spirit and the attempted substance of conversation. Sincerely,
@Killthesefears10 күн бұрын
What was this meeting again? Five or six protestants on one latter-day saint?
@AaronShafovaloff110 күн бұрын
Maybe cool it with the cynicism? There were four LDS apologists (using the term loosely), and probably a dozen Christians scattered around the four corners of the intersection, busy talking to other people or handing out tracts.
@Killthesefears10 күн бұрын
@@AaronShafovaloff1don’t act for a second that you guys aren’t doing what you’re doing. You go around trying to dissuade people from their beliefs and gaslight them. You claim it’s part of your mission but you guys are doing more harm than good despite what you think. Why don’t you take a note out of our book and do it respectfully. If people are interested, they’ll talk to you if not, move on. The reason Travis engaged you is because he knows exactly what you’re up to. You come across as harmless and friendly but you’re bent on telling people things like “you believe in a false Jesus etc”. Get out of here, man. The audacity. So you can call me cynical, but I’m stating facts like Travis. Facts that you’ll most certainly have a problem with and try to debunk or explain away. Look at you guys. Using us for clicks, money and attention. You can’t help but pick on Latterday Saints and then act like you’re the victim. What a joke, dude.
@AaronShafovaloff19 күн бұрын
I invite you to come talk to us peacefully. We are overt: We teach the Biblical Jesus of historic, universal Christianity, and of the free grace of the gospel, and call all to repent of belonging to any other religion, including Mormonism. We want you to join Christians and even the angels in directly worshipping Jesus. You can witness for yourself our pattern of engagement, our respect, and our courtesy. God bless!
@jeremiahgreen516111 күн бұрын
Thanks for posting. Frustrating to watch. While I don’t believe either side, I can understand the “insolent Mormon’s” thinking and argumentative nature from when I was Mormon. It is pretty embarrassing to see how unwilling he is to listen or to have a real discussion. I appreciate Aaron trying to have a respectful discussion and trying to talk through the points.
@darrencampbell429612 күн бұрын
I love watching your discussions Aaron. You’re a great example of how to give truth with gentleness and respect. And the content is helpful in thinking through how to discuss topics with Mormon family members. I will be praying for God to show this man His mercy and Grace. Please put out more content like this.
@user-si6dm2zn8t13 күн бұрын
53:00 I can guarantee that this guy has not studied the Bible. He keeps throwing out open-ended/rhetorical questions that lead to nowhere!
@user-si6dm2zn8t13 күн бұрын
This LDS guy is not truthful at 27:50. The LDS church most definitely teaches that God and Jesus were both once men who became exhalted. in the last 5 years I have spoken with 3 bishops and 4-5 groups of missionaries. They all teach that God and Jesus were both ordinary men who became exhalted. THAT GOES DIRECTLY AGAINST THE BIBLE, AND IS PROBLEMATIC FOR THE MORMON CHURCH! There is tons of other LDS scripture that teaches this! This guy adds a lot of his personal feelings that goes against what is written in LDS history. Lots of LDS scripter that God had a father, Gods father had a father into infinity! Pure Idiocy!
@truthseeker428613 күн бұрын
"Insolent...." false, hypocritical and condescending comments from Aaron that claims to be Christian . Truth is sharper than a two edge sword, and it cuts asunder the false precepts of men : which is Aaron in this case. Aaron got emotionally hurt . This may be a rare time that Aaron got his ass kicked with truth and reason and Aaron certainly didn't like it. If Christ were on the Earth today, Erin would try to convert him; as the Pharisees and scribes and Jewish Sanhedrin did.
@truthseeker428614 күн бұрын
The adoption analogy does not work. Travis is totally correct about the transformative process .
@dougnelson737310 күн бұрын
Hello Travis. Welcome!
@jamesrexsannatracy831814 күн бұрын
The guy in the hat is a PERFECT example of talking to a Mormon. They attack you for speaking their doctrines, but by no means want to hear the text of the Bible. He’s a real narcissistic sociopath
@jamesrexsannatracy831814 күн бұрын
The guy in the hat is a PERFECT example of talking to a Mormon. They attack you for speaking their doctrines, but by no means want to hear the text of the Bible. He’s a real narcissistic sociopath
@Seabeagle1014 күн бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😅
@madisonlay883314 күн бұрын
I thought it was so sad that his idea of sanctification and forgiveness was so rooted in behavior modification instead in a genuine abiding in Christ or empowering by the Spirit. Also really interesting that talking about your daughters didn't resonate at all considering how much mormons compare heavenly father to an earthly father.
@devinhildebrandt270914 күн бұрын
Aaron is a moron.
@AaronShafovaloff114 күн бұрын
"The unfolding of your words gives light; it imparts understanding to the simple." - Psalm 119:130
@jessicac678714 күн бұрын
I have a mormon friend in Utah. She told me that she has a gay married couple in her ward that have callings!
@Cry4Tanelorn15 күн бұрын
I am AMAZED by Aaron's patience here
@soccercoop13 күн бұрын
It should be studied
@ChaseRook16 күн бұрын
Yeah this guy definitely does not represent us. Thanks for pointing that out lol
@DwellerAtTheCrag15 күн бұрын
What if I told you he currently has a massive influence on currently serving Missionaries & RM's, would that be a problem in your eyes?
@joanlamb471017 күн бұрын
This was really painful to watch. The arrogance of this man was unbelievable! Good for you for keeping your temper! Pride comes before a fall and his fall will be swift and painful. Really sad!
@calvaryapologetics17 күн бұрын
Mormonism says there are many Gods and that you can become one, they say Jesus and satan are spirit-brothers, they say Jesus did NOT make atonement on the cross alone. They say God the father was once a MAN on another planet who had to EARN His way to become a God. They say you must learn secret handshakes and passwords and wear special underwear in order to live with God the father when you die. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that all human beings, male and female, are beloved spirit children of heavenly parents, a Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother. In no way can mormonism be classed as "Christian"
@codewalters17 күн бұрын
Kwaku is just too young and arrogant to debate
@danielcarpenter148917 күн бұрын
Aaron reads scripture: "You can't do that" Aaron doesn't read scripture: "Where is your scripture?" Way to keep patient and de-escelate throughout this talk Aaron! God's word never returns empty! I have been encouraged and taught through this interaction. God bless you, your family, and your ministry!
@BardOfShwa16 күн бұрын
His repeated use of the question, "What does that mean?" seems to serve to water down the force of the scripture Aaron quoted. When Aaron lays out his understanding of a scripture prior to quoting that scripture, though, it's treated as illegitimate. A mindboggling technique. Well done, Aaron, for striving for a positive interaction here.
@michaelkarimian753817 күн бұрын
I’ve seen several debates with Kwaku and he’s been thrashed it every debate he’s been in. When it comes to his debating skills his greatest talent is unfortunately, giving information and no information at the same time.
@philclegg816917 күн бұрын
59:59 now all human texts are flawed. But God will magically tell you what is right. Isn’t that what Kimball claimed in Miracle of Forgiveness?
@philclegg816917 күн бұрын
53:31 This guy would not say any of this with Mormon leader there. 😂 His disparagement of the Bible whenever convenient is hilarious, considering the origins of the Book of Mormon.
@philclegg816917 күн бұрын
48:58 Logic would tell you that God cannot sin. Sin is when you have a desire or action that is contray to the laws of God. God cannot act contrary to himself
@philclegg816917 күн бұрын
38:20 He knows the Sermon. But wants to provide his “context”. It’s better than Lorenzo’s. 😂
@philclegg816917 күн бұрын
28:55 He’s such a common Mormon. He can argue any point without giving any doctrine. Arguing God had to have the “Miracle of Forgiveness” in the 1950’s to “speak to the people” but now it has been discontinued is rich. 😂
@EliasB10017 күн бұрын
Pearls before swine indeed
@brentheltonj630818 күн бұрын
Gaslighting this dude has zero intellectual dishonesty and is saying whatever to be right instead of honest
@devinhildebrandt270914 күн бұрын
I agree that he has “zero intellectual dishonesty”
@Mikehawk6876418 күн бұрын
Sorry Aaron but you took an L on this one
@AaronShafovaloff118 күн бұрын
Not a contest.
@philclegg816917 күн бұрын
😂. I would have loved to bring up Adam-God with this guy.
@user-og2wt3le4j18 күн бұрын
The key word here is apostasy. Many practices of members that are deviant in the eyes of God are not called apostasy. There is also an issue was this deviant lifestyle something done before baptism? If a member of the church is inactive generally the stake presidents will tell bishops not to have a disciplinary council for the member.
@omaxman118 күн бұрын
59:00
@jasonbonnell78618 күн бұрын
I commend you for your patience, Aaron. As a former Mormon, I know how often the verse from the BOM “the spirit of contention is of the devil” was used in any type of heated discussion. It is a verse that is used constantly against people they disagree with, but when it comes to themselves, they do not apply the same amount of criticism.
@troyeverling18 күн бұрын
Aaron operated with great self control, love, peace, patience, long suffering….. this is an excellent example of how we must interact with people. His calm straight forward gracious disposition allowed for this exchange to continue in an informative, helpful manner for all who view this. This LDS man was striving to frustrate to overwhelm and overcome Aaron in discussion. Instead he magnified his own dishonesty and portrayed LDS views as discombobulated, irrational and indefensible. Sometime God orchestrates the conversation not so much for the one you’re speaking with, but rather for the audience who observes. Thanks for the Godly and seasoned example to the rest of us laboring in the fields of souls.
@happysword407618 күн бұрын
I think the pastor won this debate. Though he mentioned too many times "you could be wrong", which is a moot point-- the pastor "can be wrong" too. Kwaku should have replied with the same question to make the point that both men are fallible.
@jacobmayberry112618 күн бұрын
Aaron, I think you and Apologia probably posted this because you're banking on everyone seeing Travis as the deranged angry Mormon with no chill and you as calm, cool, and collected. But strip away the tone policing and Travis has some really good points and his criticisms of you are valid. Anyone who doesn't let Travis's abrasive personality get in the way of their brain will see that Travis made some very cogent points that you had trouble answering.
@AaronShafovaloff118 күн бұрын
Jacob, you’re of course welcome to give specifics of good arguments/points you thought were made.
@jacobmayberry112618 күн бұрын
@@AaronShafovaloff1 no need to repeat that here. People can watch the video and judge for themselves. Have a good Sunday.
@josephkerr64418 күн бұрын
And what are those points Jacob?
@AaronShafovaloff118 күн бұрын
Let me at least agree with you in principle here: it’s a good discipline to consider cogent points even when a speaker is abrasive. I have been there on the other side. In my second debate with Kwaku I became caustic.
@AaronShafovaloff118 күн бұрын
Jacob, I’d invite you to highlight even just one point. God bless.
@jhow008918 күн бұрын
He was a surprise guest at a meeting I was invited to by some LDS missionaries. "Insolent" is possibly the softest word you could have used. I was not nearly as patient as you. Good job, brother.
@seanwhite7515415 күн бұрын
Me either when he was a surprise guest with my visit with missionaries. I was way less patient.
@slash90318 күн бұрын
I watched numerous discussions with Mormons and had several myself (with missionaries). Not one of them has ever denied Aaron's understanding of the King Follet Discourse. This guy is providing a novel approach to Mormon theology and acting like no one else truly understands the doctrine.
@glennjohn391912 күн бұрын
I’m an ex Mormon and agree with this statement.
@1TruthMatters18 күн бұрын
Aaron understands classic LDS theology better than man it hat. Problem is LDS doctrine is shifting sand. Mormonism historically clearly taught in Priesthood and Sunday School manuals as part of the Law of Eternal Progression that the Father God was once a man, who progressed to become God. Man in hat either has never studied the LDS manuals of the 70’s and 80’s and doesnt understand historical LDS teachings, or simply disagrees with his own church historical doctrine. However, it’s my opinion that man in hat actually knows the LDS church taught such nonsense that God “progressed”, but denies it because he is embarrassed of the doctrine.
@scottm497518 күн бұрын
Ya he clearly doesn’t. In the first 5 minutes he is trying to hold Lds to sola scriptura, which is definitely not a doctrine of the church. He’s missing the most basic pieces and trying to act like an authority
@Misa_Susaki18 күн бұрын
I love God, and I love the Book of Mormon. Read it!
@chemnitzfan65419 күн бұрын
Anderson is a functional atheist who maintains the charade of being a Mormon, but his god is his ego. He should take his "no one can know anything" routine on the road with Matt Dillahunty.
@yellowblackbird900019 күн бұрын
The fact that Anderson tries to hide what he is teaching missionaries in his Facebook group shows that he has nefarious intentions. He seems to be trying to start a cult within a cult. Anderson's arguments defeat themselves. He just acts like no one can no anything but then belongs to a church that requires all kinds of extra-Biblical nonsense with prophets that can't keep their "revelation" straight.
@thermionic123456719 күн бұрын
This man in the hat seems demon-possessed. You sir have the patience of a saint!
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Travis is My HERO!!! Aaron, You can't be Expected to be let loose when your Building on Things that are Untrue!!
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President Gordon b Hinckley stated " we don't believe in the traditional Christ. We believe in a different Christ.
John 1:1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and Word was God. Amen
Excellent
So you're husband calls you out of the grave, not Jesus ? I'm glad I don't have a husband in the church
Hey Michael. How are you doing? I just watched this video. I pray you are doing well in the Lord.
Why don’t you guys start calling us latter-day Saints instead of Mormons? oh wait, it’s because you don’t respect us.
Most of the time it’s just easier to use two syllables. It’s not out of disrespect. There are also plenty who still don’t mind being called Mormons. This was culturally acceptable only years ago, and it is still ingrained. The abrupt change is ecclesiastical, not entirely cultural. We talk to Latter-day Saints (I don’t mind using the title in the right context) regularly. It’s actually rare to hear objections over the shorthand "Mormon." Compare the insistence on using false pronouns. It’s not kind to insist that people violate their conscience; we’d rather not dignify a misnomer. We don’t believe you are of the Church. We don't believe you are saints. We don’t believe you are true members of the Church of Jesus Christ, properly speaking. So we have to evaluate whether we’re using a term as a neutral title, or if it functions as a spiritually significant descriptor. When a term begins to function more as the latter, we reach for other designations. Imagine if we insisted that you called us “members of the holy (c)atholic Church of Jesus Christ, the communion of saints, who alone truly have the one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, one body, and one Spirit,” and then were offended when you opted instead for “evangelical” or “baptist” or “born agains.” Finally, the material we present isn’t exclusively relevant to members of the mainstream LDS Church. It’s relevant to a whole number of sects of Mormonism, or the larger Latter-day Saint movement, some of whom we interact with on a regular basis. If it offends you in the midst of a conversation, we can settle on another brief term. But it’s better that we discuss matters of substance than that we get offended by the innocent use of shorthand. Grace and peace.
@@AaronShafovaloff1 Wow! what a superb reply!
You guys just don’t like the fact that he stood up for his beliefs and made you guys look bad in the process.
We actually don't mind if when Mormons stand up for their beliefs - we prefer it! It shows a principled love for the truth and a care for the substance of things. It provides a wonderful ground for conversation. In the case of Travis, however, his mode seems to be more of rhetorical steamrolling, which resists an exchange of extended, substantial thoughts, and disallows either party to truly make a case for their beliefs. It honestly sounds like the pro-Travis commenters are more impressed with rhetorical aggression, whereas the Christian commenters are more focused on the fruits of the Spirit and the attempted substance of conversation. Sincerely,
What was this meeting again? Five or six protestants on one latter-day saint?
Maybe cool it with the cynicism? There were four LDS apologists (using the term loosely), and probably a dozen Christians scattered around the four corners of the intersection, busy talking to other people or handing out tracts.
@@AaronShafovaloff1don’t act for a second that you guys aren’t doing what you’re doing. You go around trying to dissuade people from their beliefs and gaslight them. You claim it’s part of your mission but you guys are doing more harm than good despite what you think. Why don’t you take a note out of our book and do it respectfully. If people are interested, they’ll talk to you if not, move on. The reason Travis engaged you is because he knows exactly what you’re up to. You come across as harmless and friendly but you’re bent on telling people things like “you believe in a false Jesus etc”. Get out of here, man. The audacity. So you can call me cynical, but I’m stating facts like Travis. Facts that you’ll most certainly have a problem with and try to debunk or explain away. Look at you guys. Using us for clicks, money and attention. You can’t help but pick on Latterday Saints and then act like you’re the victim. What a joke, dude.
I invite you to come talk to us peacefully. We are overt: We teach the Biblical Jesus of historic, universal Christianity, and of the free grace of the gospel, and call all to repent of belonging to any other religion, including Mormonism. We want you to join Christians and even the angels in directly worshipping Jesus. You can witness for yourself our pattern of engagement, our respect, and our courtesy. God bless!
Thanks for posting. Frustrating to watch. While I don’t believe either side, I can understand the “insolent Mormon’s” thinking and argumentative nature from when I was Mormon. It is pretty embarrassing to see how unwilling he is to listen or to have a real discussion. I appreciate Aaron trying to have a respectful discussion and trying to talk through the points.
I love watching your discussions Aaron. You’re a great example of how to give truth with gentleness and respect. And the content is helpful in thinking through how to discuss topics with Mormon family members. I will be praying for God to show this man His mercy and Grace. Please put out more content like this.
53:00 I can guarantee that this guy has not studied the Bible. He keeps throwing out open-ended/rhetorical questions that lead to nowhere!
This LDS guy is not truthful at 27:50. The LDS church most definitely teaches that God and Jesus were both once men who became exhalted. in the last 5 years I have spoken with 3 bishops and 4-5 groups of missionaries. They all teach that God and Jesus were both ordinary men who became exhalted. THAT GOES DIRECTLY AGAINST THE BIBLE, AND IS PROBLEMATIC FOR THE MORMON CHURCH! There is tons of other LDS scripture that teaches this! This guy adds a lot of his personal feelings that goes against what is written in LDS history. Lots of LDS scripter that God had a father, Gods father had a father into infinity! Pure Idiocy!
"Insolent...." false, hypocritical and condescending comments from Aaron that claims to be Christian . Truth is sharper than a two edge sword, and it cuts asunder the false precepts of men : which is Aaron in this case. Aaron got emotionally hurt . This may be a rare time that Aaron got his ass kicked with truth and reason and Aaron certainly didn't like it. If Christ were on the Earth today, Erin would try to convert him; as the Pharisees and scribes and Jewish Sanhedrin did.
The adoption analogy does not work. Travis is totally correct about the transformative process .
Hello Travis. Welcome!
The guy in the hat is a PERFECT example of talking to a Mormon. They attack you for speaking their doctrines, but by no means want to hear the text of the Bible. He’s a real narcissistic sociopath
The guy in the hat is a PERFECT example of talking to a Mormon. They attack you for speaking their doctrines, but by no means want to hear the text of the Bible. He’s a real narcissistic sociopath
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😅
I thought it was so sad that his idea of sanctification and forgiveness was so rooted in behavior modification instead in a genuine abiding in Christ or empowering by the Spirit. Also really interesting that talking about your daughters didn't resonate at all considering how much mormons compare heavenly father to an earthly father.
Aaron is a moron.
"The unfolding of your words gives light; it imparts understanding to the simple." - Psalm 119:130
I have a mormon friend in Utah. She told me that she has a gay married couple in her ward that have callings!
I am AMAZED by Aaron's patience here
It should be studied
Yeah this guy definitely does not represent us. Thanks for pointing that out lol
What if I told you he currently has a massive influence on currently serving Missionaries & RM's, would that be a problem in your eyes?
This was really painful to watch. The arrogance of this man was unbelievable! Good for you for keeping your temper! Pride comes before a fall and his fall will be swift and painful. Really sad!
Mormonism says there are many Gods and that you can become one, they say Jesus and satan are spirit-brothers, they say Jesus did NOT make atonement on the cross alone. They say God the father was once a MAN on another planet who had to EARN His way to become a God. They say you must learn secret handshakes and passwords and wear special underwear in order to live with God the father when you die. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that all human beings, male and female, are beloved spirit children of heavenly parents, a Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother. In no way can mormonism be classed as "Christian"
Kwaku is just too young and arrogant to debate
Aaron reads scripture: "You can't do that" Aaron doesn't read scripture: "Where is your scripture?" Way to keep patient and de-escelate throughout this talk Aaron! God's word never returns empty! I have been encouraged and taught through this interaction. God bless you, your family, and your ministry!
His repeated use of the question, "What does that mean?" seems to serve to water down the force of the scripture Aaron quoted. When Aaron lays out his understanding of a scripture prior to quoting that scripture, though, it's treated as illegitimate. A mindboggling technique. Well done, Aaron, for striving for a positive interaction here.
I’ve seen several debates with Kwaku and he’s been thrashed it every debate he’s been in. When it comes to his debating skills his greatest talent is unfortunately, giving information and no information at the same time.
59:59 now all human texts are flawed. But God will magically tell you what is right. Isn’t that what Kimball claimed in Miracle of Forgiveness?
53:31 This guy would not say any of this with Mormon leader there. 😂 His disparagement of the Bible whenever convenient is hilarious, considering the origins of the Book of Mormon.
48:58 Logic would tell you that God cannot sin. Sin is when you have a desire or action that is contray to the laws of God. God cannot act contrary to himself
38:20 He knows the Sermon. But wants to provide his “context”. It’s better than Lorenzo’s. 😂
28:55 He’s such a common Mormon. He can argue any point without giving any doctrine. Arguing God had to have the “Miracle of Forgiveness” in the 1950’s to “speak to the people” but now it has been discontinued is rich. 😂
Pearls before swine indeed
Gaslighting this dude has zero intellectual dishonesty and is saying whatever to be right instead of honest
I agree that he has “zero intellectual dishonesty”
Sorry Aaron but you took an L on this one
Not a contest.
😂. I would have loved to bring up Adam-God with this guy.
The key word here is apostasy. Many practices of members that are deviant in the eyes of God are not called apostasy. There is also an issue was this deviant lifestyle something done before baptism? If a member of the church is inactive generally the stake presidents will tell bishops not to have a disciplinary council for the member.
59:00
I commend you for your patience, Aaron. As a former Mormon, I know how often the verse from the BOM “the spirit of contention is of the devil” was used in any type of heated discussion. It is a verse that is used constantly against people they disagree with, but when it comes to themselves, they do not apply the same amount of criticism.
Aaron operated with great self control, love, peace, patience, long suffering….. this is an excellent example of how we must interact with people. His calm straight forward gracious disposition allowed for this exchange to continue in an informative, helpful manner for all who view this. This LDS man was striving to frustrate to overwhelm and overcome Aaron in discussion. Instead he magnified his own dishonesty and portrayed LDS views as discombobulated, irrational and indefensible. Sometime God orchestrates the conversation not so much for the one you’re speaking with, but rather for the audience who observes. Thanks for the Godly and seasoned example to the rest of us laboring in the fields of souls.
I think the pastor won this debate. Though he mentioned too many times "you could be wrong", which is a moot point-- the pastor "can be wrong" too. Kwaku should have replied with the same question to make the point that both men are fallible.
Aaron, I think you and Apologia probably posted this because you're banking on everyone seeing Travis as the deranged angry Mormon with no chill and you as calm, cool, and collected. But strip away the tone policing and Travis has some really good points and his criticisms of you are valid. Anyone who doesn't let Travis's abrasive personality get in the way of their brain will see that Travis made some very cogent points that you had trouble answering.
Jacob, you’re of course welcome to give specifics of good arguments/points you thought were made.
@@AaronShafovaloff1 no need to repeat that here. People can watch the video and judge for themselves. Have a good Sunday.
And what are those points Jacob?
Let me at least agree with you in principle here: it’s a good discipline to consider cogent points even when a speaker is abrasive. I have been there on the other side. In my second debate with Kwaku I became caustic.
Jacob, I’d invite you to highlight even just one point. God bless.
He was a surprise guest at a meeting I was invited to by some LDS missionaries. "Insolent" is possibly the softest word you could have used. I was not nearly as patient as you. Good job, brother.
Me either when he was a surprise guest with my visit with missionaries. I was way less patient.
I watched numerous discussions with Mormons and had several myself (with missionaries). Not one of them has ever denied Aaron's understanding of the King Follet Discourse. This guy is providing a novel approach to Mormon theology and acting like no one else truly understands the doctrine.
I’m an ex Mormon and agree with this statement.
Aaron understands classic LDS theology better than man it hat. Problem is LDS doctrine is shifting sand. Mormonism historically clearly taught in Priesthood and Sunday School manuals as part of the Law of Eternal Progression that the Father God was once a man, who progressed to become God. Man in hat either has never studied the LDS manuals of the 70’s and 80’s and doesnt understand historical LDS teachings, or simply disagrees with his own church historical doctrine. However, it’s my opinion that man in hat actually knows the LDS church taught such nonsense that God “progressed”, but denies it because he is embarrassed of the doctrine.
Ya he clearly doesn’t. In the first 5 minutes he is trying to hold Lds to sola scriptura, which is definitely not a doctrine of the church. He’s missing the most basic pieces and trying to act like an authority
I love God, and I love the Book of Mormon. Read it!
Anderson is a functional atheist who maintains the charade of being a Mormon, but his god is his ego. He should take his "no one can know anything" routine on the road with Matt Dillahunty.
The fact that Anderson tries to hide what he is teaching missionaries in his Facebook group shows that he has nefarious intentions. He seems to be trying to start a cult within a cult. Anderson's arguments defeat themselves. He just acts like no one can no anything but then belongs to a church that requires all kinds of extra-Biblical nonsense with prophets that can't keep their "revelation" straight.
This man in the hat seems demon-possessed. You sir have the patience of a saint!