Talking Church Podcast episodes release every Tuesday, hosted by Pastor Logan Ketterling from River Valley Church.
Our heart is to reach people with practical theology, common faith questions and resources to help you in your walk as a christian leader, pastor or church member. We believe God has called you for great things, and we hope we can encourage and inspire you to do what He is asking you to do! Talking Church is a part of River Valley Network, a community of church leaders who are looking to build strong, healthy, & generous churches.
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l agreed with you when you first started, haven't changed my mind.
Great interview
Does someone have a link to George’s sermon. Liked to hear it.
Breaking Free From Broke - George Kamel kzread.info/dash/bejne/mHiorNuiotvAkbw.html
"don't like it, then leave" is extremely dangerous in a church context. Why would the church be referred to as a body, if amputations were no big deal? Often parts of a body are a symptom of something going on, and the light hearted "don't like it, then leave" is cause of much toxicity not being addressed and cancer destroying the house of God. Remember when Dave Ramsey said in the other podcast about pastor ego? That also is in play with this mentality. (For context I don't know the host or his church at all - not going after them, just the sentiment that way too many church staff now feel. It's not any person's church - it's God's. Don't think lightly about someone leaving)
Pure worship and a “performance driven culture “ can not co exist. The anointing breaks performance , we need revival again in America, desperately
I'm a Jew born anew since 1982! NOBODY HAS THE REVELATION CORRECT! It's a spiritual book. We must be IN THE SPIRIT to understand. We must be born again. John 3:3. The reason people aren't being born again is because they don’t really REPENT. That means turning from self-centered living to Christ-centered living. Compare Exodus and Rev 13:16 & Matt 5:29. The Mark of the Beast is SIN! It's on us when we're born. We must be born again to wash it off. Faith comes by hearing the word of God! Faith dies by NOT HEARING OR BY NOT OBEYING THE TWO COMMANDS OF GOD IN CHRIST TO HAVE FAITH IN JESUS AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER. 1John3:23. Anti-LGBT and anti-women's rights are lies from hell. Matthew 7 & Romans 2 say JUDGE NOT OR YOU'LL BE JUDGED! The religious right is wrong. 1946themovie proves the Bible is not anti-gay. It’s clearly anti-hate. Leviticus 19:18 is the one Jesus quoted. I believe it's all fulfilled. The Mark of the Beast is symbolic and spiritual. The IMAGE OF THE BEAST IS REAL. It’s what most the world "worships" today. Turn off the world and turn on Jesus. 2Thess2:11 is here. The church is fallen. Trump is lawless. They believe THE LIE. Jesus is coming soon for this born-again gay stoner Jew while most Christians are left behind because of bigotry and idolatry. Rev 18:4 is calling. ❤
Beware Many shall say LORD LORD.
Poor people can't help poor people. But the facts are most rich people don't help poor either. So called false pastors promoting " Covetousness" is Math 24 :12-15 is NOT dietary issue Covetousness os an abomination ( 10 commandment ) teachers that now call evil "good christian stewardship" even if taken by force or deception Ezeck 34 poor feed unhealthy sheep many teachers reap whatvthey have NOT even sown. Signs of tge times solar ecipsr formed a Captal "A" Igabod has been written. 2 Peter through Covetousness have made merchandise of even the poor. Twisted like phycology. "Self esteem" ( is prode) human reasoing denying the POWER Yup put y treasure in earthen vessel. All about a few like "pastors" getting rich. So called Americian Gosple. Things highly esteemed by the world - making one wealthy is highly esteemed. Many pastors live a life style many just dream of. Travel to confrrence ( on Caribean cruise boats ) So sure of themselves Yup JESUS had most trouble with those " so sure of themselvrmes" yeh they got worldly wealthy. But JESUS told richvyoung ruler to go give it away ( actually help the poor) and vice follow HIM Yup so called "professional " even Eng - yeh no such thing as airplanes 150 yrs ago. Got Americian style Gospel. Look around Ramsay just got into the Amercian religious system and promoted what. People want to hear. Many many shall say LORD LOTD the road is narrow. Have seen truck drivers work themselves to early grave. Left a wide with kids. Why hey practised "good christisn stewardship and work ethic" look around the Americian Gospel is going down the hill. Teachers shall be held more so accountable. House of the wise. LoL. Quote out of vontex. HHow many are now post- trib. ZECK 14 NO reserection from Mt Olives V "saints' (,asleep - Lazuruis And Math 27:52-53 is pre-trib Enoch and Eljiaha Rev 11 and "those beheaded Rev 20 did NOT take the # ,name , and the Mark ) [ yet what does Ramsay promote #,or is it tye mark, or the name Ai now and "the image - but not "yet" really ? ZECK 14:5 the saints come with HIM the Ambasdors are already chosen in 3rd heaven ( eph 4 "highest heaven" ) heavenly Marriage Super ( not earthly the 144 000 already at the throne Math 27:52-53 is Rev 14:4First Fruits) to reign with HIM a 1000 yrs. The entire WORLD Babaylon fisncial systen will crash. The shortages are coming. Wisdom be prepared grow "under ground mushrooms" healthy not magic. heats the greenhouse. FOOD. The Workd"s systen is based on national debt and Yes GOD uses the evil to bring about even the nation of Israel again ( major sign of times Zeck 14 live fresh water fish in Sink holes of Dead Sea. - due to irrigation in southern dessert) Sure a few prosper because of national debt. But meanwhile country goes down the tubes. Food will be in short supply. Crime etc. Charties make a commodity of the poor. The "love" ( is now being called "good christian stewardship" Twisted teaching. Sounds good by human reasoing. But the end of is death. Math 22 few at wedding ( lukewarmness is warmed of) how much is enough. A "mark" of legizlee. Lol. Still sowing when it's harvest time. Out of season. Doing what they see others doing. The blind leading the blind. Manage for GOD ( all sounds good) How much is enough ? And what is Ransay net worth. Good tree earth good fruit. Smerician Gospel beware. This would NOT work in other parts of the world. And other times. My "church" its HIS church. Peter had to get out of the boat ( got dunked in water again) Yet how many bekieve " ARK" theology. Note Noaha and Lot in contex Both died after their event. Both need resercted so cslled " Noahide" law. Abomination / sin is transgression of HIS WRITTEN WORD. - WALK in the LIGHT ( progressily ) lest the darknesd over take us. 1 403 830 4124 need to go wide doing her "Hebrew religios activities" yup thry promote this crsp too. But go caught in Israel during " Gazza" war. Amos 1 zeph 2. WAKE up.
I’m pretty sure God wouldn’t like you firing pregnant women just for being pregnant.
My brother went to medical school and is a surgeon making probably more than that anesthetist. But imagine if he or that young lady had become ill partway through their schooling, and we’re not able to finish. I think that’s why Dave says it’s not a good idea. Even if it makes sense.
I’ve been born again 41 years, raised two sons as a single mom & by the grace of God they became honorable men and one is a Pastor. I sowed my time and money into their lives and education, community outreaches and ministries instead of wisely putting aside some to invest for myself. I had taken Financial Peace University years ago before my son James Gonsoulin became a pastor and I am debt-free, but have to take responsibility for being 69 years young and not having taken better care of myself financially. I’ve also sown any extra I had into two nonprofit projects the Lord gave me a vision for and preparing to publish a book I’ve written with my testimony. I’ve lived humbly in order to continue working on them, But obviously you don’t get any respect for not being financially on top of things and I definitely don’t want to dishonor God for not being able to leave and inheritance for my children and grandchildren. So praying I’ll get this part of my life together too soon
Elevation "worship" is the most entertainment centered thing out there right now.
Lol. Elevation "worship" is the most entertainment centered thing out there right now.
I know right. Kinda ironic that this is coming from a group who supports a leader that thinks he is god almighty.
I’m already washing dishes 😂
💯 he didn't tell you to die rich either❗
Love you guys xx
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Voi aveți adunări .... Nici un fel de biserică! Biserică este doar Biserica Ortodoxă!! 😂😂😂😂
I do agree with Dave in many aspects. Like some things though wealth induces arrogance in some people. The world in general needs to humble themselves in every way. I try to adhere to this principle, the world though does not want humble people. We need to be brothers and sisters of Christ.
George is not a financial expert. He is a Ramsey expert.
My own parents now passed were led to believe that their financial goal was to die broke on purpose, and when they both passed that is what happened. From my observation, it killed my dad, who spent his last five years on a lounging chair yelling at TV news and over eating.
God also doesnt want pastors to be the richest person in the church by far.. i believe Jesus calls them wolves (den of thieves)
Matthew 7; 11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
praying that humbleness and the thirst for God will always be with Jonsal and Jenna. Grateful for you guys!
9:59 For a pastor to have worked all of those years and retire completely broke is actually a bad witness. That they’ve not been diligent. That they not been disciplined. Wow! Where do you even start with the levels of depravity layered into that statement. At the absolute very least it is bearing false witness against pastors who intentionally forego the temporal and meaningless for the eternal and priceless and to share that with others. Money and wealth do not signal virtue nor does the lack of wealth signal being a bad witness. In Ramsey’s warped world view 💰💰 represents success and being broke signals failure. There are far more pastors who leave lucrative business opportunities to pursue ministry and live paycheck to paycheck than there are pastors who own mansions and jets. By Ramsey’s logic, it is the Joel Osteens of the world that are the good witnesses while it is the rural bivocational pastor living paycheck to paycheck who is the bad witness. 🙄 The reality is, being financially broke and spiritually rich at the end of your life is a far better witness than being financially rich and spiritually broke. Ramsey takes a secular world view and dresses it up with Churchianity jargon to make it seem righteous.
Truth is, those Pastors who do not plan for their future and spend it all up leave that responsibility to others then to take up the slack in the future because of their poor planning. We are all technically in the "ministry". Time for Christians to get a clue.
This is cool. Thanks 🙏 for giving us good advice.
So awesome ❤❤❤
Thank you!!!!
Bless you both and continue to be used by our Heavenly Father
So good!!
Love them both and so glad to have learnt all this
I hate to say it, but i dont believe it is possible to increase my income. I'm ashamed that I lack diligence....😮
Do NOT listen to any financial advice from this man. He did not become successful via the methods he preaches.
Dave loves her ms of a me creflo dollar baby!
They are soo cute ☺️, Im so glad We got to hear a little more about them , God Blessed them both 💗
One of the major problems for pastors is the cost of seminary education. Virtually all pastors who do not attend a denominational seminary take out student loans which make it very difficult for them so save because their salaries do not increase at the same rate as someone in the private sector. But pastors also are not always aware of some of the advantages they get, such as being able to divide their "salary" into salary proper and housing. Anything connected to housing is not included in their income for tax purposes. So all churches should be making it possible for pastors to buy their own homes, rather than giving them a parsonage to live in. Example: A pastor has a salary of $75,000. He takes that salary as $40,000 for his salary and $35,000 for housing. He would pay taxed only on the $40,000. Pastors need to work only with advisers who know all the tax breaks for pastors to maximize the income they do have. Even the pest control visit is deductible under housing expenses for a pastor.
Very true!
"it's a cause and effect gospel" it's this and that. It's a prosperity Gospel just like he's always been teaching, he's a motivational speaker.
Does he need some more money? Tell him to learn about BTC and how to trade it. I began learning four years ago and I have enough to last until the Rapture. I'm going to trade, travel and tell people how Jesus took me through forty years of addition and He bought me out right before We leave. What we are watching is; A once true democracy, Becoming a technocracy, By the hand of hypocrisy, To a world of apostasy. What they do not know and fail to see, This is a bow for the show for the Bride to be! And when We leave this forsaken land, They will know, the time is at hand! I know we live in a Republic but it doesn't rhyme, So I have to use Democracy all of the time.😊 Old Glory Glory last night seemed a decade ago, As I watched a dream, from a broken window. Glory now be it! Although it may not be, As the Dragon watches the Beast, Rise up from the sea. As it covers all the people, the Great and the Dread. Spinning up its prey, with a Giant World Wide Web. Glory now be it! Forever it will be! The Dragon will be crushed! His head I give to thee! Oh, All Mighty God, how long before we see? The Brilliance of your Glory… Forever it will be! Amen. Rather by Rapture or by nuclear war, To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Afterlife I beg the day in every way, I plead the night to come. I walk the gentle path and pray, Until my day is done. I'm down the hill and in the space where echoes force my hand, I wipe the tears up from my face, As He unfolds His plan. Until the time when mountains speak, And after what they've said, The afterlife my heart does seek, I take my daily bread. Of all the things left with me, In all I leave behind, The treasures of this earth will be, In Heaven I'll have all kinds. And when the time has come to pass, To show the things I've done, His mercy will forever last, I'm saved by God's own Son! Kenneth Lewis Carneal 😊😮
Women are equal in the eyes of God, misogeny and feminism are both tacktics that the Devil uses so that we destroy each other.
Great word.
Love you, Pastor Rob!
Great interview
Its so important to be obedient to God, he will never steer u wrong...she was an it saved her yrs of heartache n pain.🙏🙏🙏great podcast
Jesus died broke.
Dave’s attitude towards money is not biblical. He routinely tells people to destroy their family over money, whether it’s charity to a family member in need, or issues in a family business. Money comes before family to Dave, and if the two are in conflict, money wins. He also is not godly in the way he communicates, with out of control anger, nastiness and bitterness as his standard tone. He grasps for money in an avaricious way, and preaches mistreating people over money. Like a dog with a bowl of food will growl and bite anyone who gets near it. That’s Dave. Pastors should receive enough to live on comfortably. The congregation has a responsibility to take care of them. They should not get rich. If they do get rich, they should give most of it away. To the church, and to the poor. Super-rich celebrity preachers are a blight on the gospel, they are always corrupted by it, they always compromise on doctrine, they almost always fall to sin, and the fame goes to their head. And as a result they defame God’s name to the world. This is one of the greatest flaws of the American church. If your true allegiance is to God, not money, and you are an example as a teacher, you must set the example of following the word to its fullest extent, which means giving away everything you don’t need, at a minimum.
Some here really need to read the bk of Proverbs.
Oh Lord, yes, pastors are in need to hear this.
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Thank you for discussing this ❤
Thank you for discussing this ❤