Joe Jackson?!? This should be great! Possibly the coolest video in KZread history. Everyone should watch it or risk missing out on the water cooler discussions tomorrow morning.
@themusicden46963 сағат бұрын
I agree 100 %
@carlosmiranda35159 сағат бұрын
IM GOING TO GET IT NOW. YOU MADE IT VERY INTERESTING. THANK YOU FOR THE INFO. BE SAFE.
@klcheshireКүн бұрын
Thanks for reviewing this. I had downloaded it from KZread last year but never got around to listening to it. Now I must. Thanks again.
@samstone6180Күн бұрын
I was a huge orzabal fan and found it to be an utter catastrophe of awfulness following a somewhat ho-hum Kings of Spain. Only the track ‘Low Life’ felt remotely ok. It’s worth noting that both Elemental and Spain were also without the help of Smith so the fact that Roland did not brand it TFF was that he knew it was far afield from peoples expectations of the brand. And it’s a very good thing that he did not taint the brand with a product this bad because many casual fans would have picked that up and just vomit in bag.
@jimbricker4982Күн бұрын
I never knew this album existed. The September 11 release date probably hurt it deeply.
@colonelparcoeurКүн бұрын
Ian Gillan can sing on album but on stage it's time to retire I love him since 1976
@klcheshire2 күн бұрын
Another great vid, guys! Thanks! It looks like I have some listening to do. That AND Jim recommending a Big Big Train album?? I don't believe my ears!
@jimbricker49826 сағат бұрын
I'm not a complete heathen.
@klcheshire6 сағат бұрын
@@jimbricker4982 🤣🤣🤣
@frankschneller26272 күн бұрын
imho only one did not: No jacket Required. But then: I did not like it that much in 85 either, so ...
@georgemathie81233 күн бұрын
Sting dream of the blue turtles is definitely my favorite sting solo album i still enjoy no jacket required for what it is and bryan ferry boys and girls i always thought a solo sequel to Avalon but i love the opener sensation and dont stop the dance the rest of the album is decent
@mikearchibald7448 күн бұрын
Ironically Hounds of Love ended up being likely her most commercial album. Waking the Witch is just batshit crazy, I love it, its easily one of my most favourite. I was about to say 'the best' but of course music is subjective. Great to see such discussions rather than just these 'reaction' videos which seem a little pandering for clicks.
@jimbricker49826 сағат бұрын
Thank you Mike! Armando and I enjoy our tangent-filled discussions. 🙂
@terrencereardon63748 күн бұрын
Roger Waters was against the release of the album. David GIlmour, Nick Mason and Rick Wright made sure The Wall Live 1980-81 was released in 2000. Also Roger complained about Storm Thorgerson doing the artwork. David said if he had The Wall concert films in his hands he would have released it already but Roger has been dragging his heels.
@klcheshire11 күн бұрын
Another great analysis, guys. With this album, Orzabal took more of a leadership position as a singer/songwriter. In doing this he paved the way for what the band would yet become, And looking at their catalog as a whole, I feel that he never wrote the same song twice. He remains one of the most unique songwriters in rock history. At least as far as I'm concerned.
@georgemathie812311 күн бұрын
It definitely has some progressive overtones for me its side 2 starting with broken segueing into head over heels broken live and finishing off with listen and Roland orzabal what an great guitar player that doesn't get recognized for his amazing guitar work on this album
@jimbricker498211 күн бұрын
Thanks for commenting - I believe we are aligned, George. 🙂
@georgemathie812311 күн бұрын
@@jimbricker4982 you're very welcome
@klcheshire12 күн бұрын
Very good and accurate review, my young friend. I often feel that Crowded House slips under the radar here in the US. That might be because Neil Finn does whatever he wants to do. And that's OK with me.
@themusicden469612 күн бұрын
Thanks Ken.
@andrewcox90412 күн бұрын
Met Neil Finn years ago at a radio station gig in Portland. He is a stand up guy
@CP601613 күн бұрын
Phil Collins is worth 350 million. He doesn't need more money. Yes, it was an opportunity for Nic to play on his dad's last tour; but there was a lot of interest, and tickets went quickly when the tour was announced. Many fans were sad to see Phil's condition, but were glad they went to the concerts to thank Genesis and Phil for a generation of great music.
@jimbricker49829 күн бұрын
Good points, CP. Your last sentence hit home.
@tanswanfooken250514 күн бұрын
Bro,I like the album too 👍
@peterlewis515116 күн бұрын
John Illsley was also a permanent member of the band during all its iterations....
@themusicden469615 күн бұрын
Thank you.
@joeshoe618418 күн бұрын
Nah. Pink Floyd does not exist without Roger Waters. He is the genius level songwriter. Without his songs, Pink Floyd is nothing. The other guys could've been replaced by session musicians, yes even Gilmore, Rogers songs cannot be replaced. Similar to how the Allman Bros. don't exist without Dickey Betts and the Grateful Dead doesn't exist without Jerry Garcia. It's the songs man... the SONGS!
@jimbricker49829 күн бұрын
Good points, Joe. Thanks for commenting.
@erestube19 күн бұрын
I'll tell you my story with this album. Goes back to the tour itself. The tickets for the concert went on sale on a school day, so my mom stood in line all day at the stadium for me and my friends. But, before she got to the front, they sold out. I was such a huge Beatles fan that I was crushed when I came home expecting tickets and my mom told me the news. Flash forward a few weeks before the concert and my mom surprises me. She's won two tickets to the show in a radio call-in contest. They are mailed to the house and I take a friend. The concert is only my second, and it sets the bar for the rest of my life. The only other performers I see play with the same energy and captivate an audience for an entire show are The Eagles Hotel California tour, The Who, Warren Zevon, War tour U2, Dylan when he's on fire, and Paul two more times in later years. Naturally, I relive the concert in this album for decades to come. I study audio engineering, train my ears and start to notice the overdubs put down on top of the live recordings. Glad you mentioned there were overdubs. Some people just can't believe it. That being said, the concert itself was incredible. Basically hit after hit with the cool rockers dropped in. The concert also had some rear-screen images for atmosphere (not yet standard), theater style lights on the stage risers, and those green concert lasers shooting out over the stage which were still relatively new and unusual. Perhaps my strongest memory of the concert was that the ending just left you stunned. After two hours of songs you knew, the band comes out on a darkened stage shrouded in fog with the green lasers flickering on and off and a strange rhythm you'd never heard before. Soily kicks in and your adrenalin shoots up another level because you have no idea what this all-out rocker is, those lasers you had never seen before are shooting all over the place, and you'r brain has nothing familiar to grasp on to at all. Your mind is truly blown. When the houselights come up, you hadn't just seen a concert. You'd had an experience. P.S. The radio station seats were on the right side of the stage, second row, about ten feet from Linda🤩
@manonthemoog19 күн бұрын
I have heard interviews with Pete describing how difficult the Lifehouse period was for him. While writing Tommy Pete worked very closely with Kit Lambert, who loved the idea of a Rock Opera in part as a way to thumb his nose at the stuffy world of classical music and theater. But when Pete started work on Lifehouse, Kit had very different, let's say, priorities. He didn't work with Pete on the story at all, which involved a suit that gave the wearer a kind of proto-virtual reality/internet experience. Instead, Kit was going around Pete's back, telling everyone that he and Pete were about to work on the Tommy movie and to forget all this Lifehouse nonsense. So no-one tried to make sense of the story, and this time, Kit did nothing to help Pete clarify the plot, and the project devolved into Who's Next -- a very impressive phoenix that rose from the ashes of Lifehouse.
@dreams131919 күн бұрын
Best concert I’ve ever seen 1976 englewood forum Calif
@manonthemoog20 күн бұрын
Here is a band that could not exist without one member: The Who. If Townshend left at any point, as principal songwriter, they would have no new songs to play. And his guitar playing is very difficult to emulate. Pretty much any band would have had trouble surviving after losing its chief songwriter. Also if a band loses its primary instrumentalist, such as the Jeff Beck Group who could not even consider a replacement for Jeff Beck.
@jimbricker49829 күн бұрын
Good one!
@manonthemoog20 күн бұрын
Richard Wright's dismissal never sat right with me and I read as much as I could about it. As far as I can tell, the truth is that Richard's behavior added more difficulty to an already difficult album. By all accounts he was a wonderful soul and was a giant influence on me musically, this was clearly a terrible period for him. Early on during The Wall sessions Richard insisted on receiving credit as a producer despite spending very little time in the studio and submitting no songs. But, as Richard rightly said, Roger brought in the project with 90% of the songs already written. Still, its clear he did not deserve a producer credit, especially with 3 others in that role already (Waters, Gilmour, Ezrin.) Rick wasn't present in the studio because he was spending a lot of time sailing in Greece and deeply depressed over the breakup of his marriage which caused him to rely on some typical vices to help him cope. Since the recording sessions took longer than planned, there was a real possibility it would not be in stores in time for Christmas. So the record company offered something like a 1M bonus if they were able to complete their work in time. Rick was summoned back to the studio, forcing him to end his vacation so that they could wrap up the album. But Rick refused. This infuriated Roger, and Dave was so deeply disappointed that he went along with Roger's decision to fire him. Of course, we all know Rick would have his revenge soon enough...
@jimbricker49829 күн бұрын
Good context, Moog - I'd forgotten about the 1M bonus story.
@klcheshire21 күн бұрын
Another great vid! I wore out my vinyl of this back in the day. It was also my first Wings album. And in many ways, it was the only one necessary at that time. It's still one of my favorite live albums.
@tomwinter290622 күн бұрын
Amazing that nobody mentions Alan Parsons, without whom Dark Side would've been left a bag of tape snippets. And by the way: no Waters no Floyd. Except - The Wall is a massive bore.
@lennonturney734322 күн бұрын
Eight minutes in and I already disagree 😁 Hey Jim, I love With A Gun and Through With Buzz
@jimbricker49829 күн бұрын
👍
@mattleppard196422 күн бұрын
I can’t find this album much now. Shame as it’s really good for me. Love it. Floyd were broke when they recorded the album and that, plus the tour, really did just wear them out. On balance, The Wall studio album must be my all-time favorite.
@pjtheory22 күн бұрын
Terrific discussion and I agree with the Jim/Armando that A MOMENTARY LAPSE OF REASON and to a greater extent, THE DIVISION BELL are Pink Floyd albums. It's important to note that THE DIVISION BELL was the first album since Animals to include Gilmour/Wright/Mason in the creative process, Wright's first vocal performance since DARK SIDE OF THE MOON, and IMO, High Hopes is 1 of the Top 5 songs in Pink Floyd's catalogue. In terms of who contributed what in the Water's Era...I'll give Wright and Gilmour the floor. WRIGHT: Roger, by this time had become the lyricist...David and me would write some music and Roger would say ok, I'm going to go home and write some lyrics for this and come back tomorrow. GILMOUR: My musical taste and abilities had just as much actually, if not more to do with it all than Roger, and that if I allowed this dictatorship to become real and total, then our music would suffer, as I didn't think that, uh, I still don't, that that is really Roger's main forte.
@jimbricker49829 күн бұрын
Thanks PJ!
@EsteemedRepresentative23 күн бұрын
My gripes with the album: - Not thrilled how they lifted not just lines from songs but also pieced together some guitar solos. - Cutting short Gary Yudman's banter before both In The Flesh songs. - Cutting the segue to Empty Spaces was a reall letdown. Rick's keyboard piece was beautiful. - Drenching some songs' drums and vocals in reverb while others remained on the dryer side (i.e. Another Brick In The Wall Part 2) Other than that I love the album but I love putting on Feb.28 at Nassau and just cranking it.
@mattleppard196422 күн бұрын
Good analysis. It’s flawed but to have them all on stage playing it on a decent-quality recording is ❤ to me.
@thezeroroom22 күн бұрын
@@mattleppard1964Agreed. I just wish they'd use AI to clean up the picture, sound and HD upscale the Earl's Court shows recorded on 6-camera videotape. The shows on KZread suffer from a bad picture and audio.
@cjsutton24 күн бұрын
Finally made the time to watch - great rundown gents!
@jimbricker498223 күн бұрын
Thank you very much, I take this as a major complement - coming from you!
As a long time Floyd fan, I’ve never had any issues with Momentary Lapse or Division Bell. Considering the absence of Waters, Gilmour and the guys did well in putting together a couple of rather compelling albums. They still maintained that Floyd-like style, very moody, melancholy and menacing at times. I can assess that their Waterless albums don’t hold a candle to their ‘70s material, but I have much respect for their efforts put forth in their latter years. Even the Endless River has several shining moments.
@pwagzzz26 күн бұрын
It's not classic PF. Band remnants after Waters departed and track composition never achieves classic brilliance. Note that Waters solo work also never reaches the previous creative heights without other PF members.
@user-sk5ws3nf1l26 күн бұрын
The answer to your question is NO
@bingus222 күн бұрын
If Pink Floyd without Roger Waters isn't Pink Floyd then anything without Syd isn't Pink Floyd. So the only Pink Floyd albums would be Piper and Saucerful
@joeshoe618418 күн бұрын
@bingus2 I do not agree. Roger wrote all of Pink Floyd's best songs. He's the one genuis level guy in the band. Without his lyrics, Pink Floyd is nothing. All the other guys could be replaced by session musicians, yes even Gilmore, Roger's songs cannot be replaced.
@bingus218 күн бұрын
@@joeshoe6184 Therein lies the issue as I believe all the things you just said also apply to Richard Wright and Syd Barrett. Richard wrote (excluding lyrics) Us and Them, parts of Echoes, The Great Gig in the Sky, Shine on Parts 6-9 (not the previous parts), he contributed to Breathe and Time respectively, and all his smaller songs that some people don't know very well but I enjoy them. (See-Saw, Summer '68, ect.). Richard may not have been the best lyricist but he contributed my favourite parts of their later work, and without him the band would not have been the same. I think without Rogers lyrics, the band would've been one of the greatest instrumental bands of all time. Also, Roger wasn't even the best bassist in the band. Gilmour had to do his bass parts for him in Pigs (3 Different Ones) because it was too hard for him lol. I think each band member put in their own weight and without each one of them they are not the same, but even if some of them are missing I do believe that they are still Pink Floyd.
@bingus218 күн бұрын
Correction: Richard was the main composer of Echoes, alongside Gilmour. Roger contributed exclusively lyrics to Echoes.
@joeshoe618418 күн бұрын
@@bingus2 well put and good points, but as I said, the songs and lyrics written mainly by Waters are the one absolutely irreplaceable aspect of Pink Floyd's sound.
@twankistevenson388426 күн бұрын
yup. Still Pink Floyd, In the case of Division Bell it's Pink Floyd at their best with the almost psychic connection between David and Rick being absolutely incredible.
@ricksantos984926 күн бұрын
Yes it’s still Pink Floyd. Lyrics took a hit but the music stayed awesome 😎
@NolaHam26 күн бұрын
This is a great topic! I agree with Gilmour essentially that tracks from "The Final Cut" were Wall leftovers and not strong enough for a full album and imo, "Pros and Cons" by RW has one memorable song on it "Every Stranger's Eyes" but Gilmour was a stick in the mud for sure the others really didn't have much to contribute, and Gilmour wanted to do a solo tour so I can understand Waters' frustration. "Radio K.A.O.S." and "Amused to Death" would have made spectacular tours if under the Pink Floyd brand and "MLoR" and "Division Bell" are fine albums. I saw MLoR on tour once in Foxboro, MA and was at the opening show for the Division Bell tour in Miami and also caught it in Tampa and at Yankee Stadium. I don't recognize "Endless River" as a Floyd album and in the end, they couldn't continue without Waters and David Gilmour doesn't like to tour or travel overseas any how, so how can the remaining members Floyd expect to carry on when the leader doesn't want to tour and they didn't bring on any new permanent members to replace Waters? Really there were only two founding members of the band left and imo, Jon Carin and Guy Pratt should have been made full members of the band if they were carry on with a post Waters version of PF.
@anachronistofer27 күн бұрын
Not Pink Floyd, in my humble opinion. It's David Gilmour with two other members from Pink Floyd. And that's fine, I like Gilmour, Wright, and Mason making music. But it's not Pink Floyd. Beige Floyd at best. In fact, I have all these albums in my Apple Music library but have renamed them David Gilmour.
@klcheshire27 күн бұрын
Great coverage! I think you covered everything that came to my mind at some point. And I agree with you both: I is still Pink Floyd! Thanks again, my friends. I'll see you in the next vid! God bless you both!
@IndyDefense27 күн бұрын
I think the better question is: Is any album made after Wish You Were Here REALLY Pink Floyd, or just glorified Roger Waters solo albums and then later glorified David Gilmour solo albums?
@jonmurraymurray551227 күн бұрын
AFAIC the Division Bell is what PF would have done had they not made DSOTM and WYWH.
@piperjon27 күн бұрын
Bands evolve. I've been listening to Pink Floyd since the early '70s. The first concert I ever attended was The Dark side of the Moon in Paris France. I was at the Miami Florida Division Bell Concert. And many concerts in between. They're all Floyd. Listen to David Gilmour's solo albums from '78 and '84 ... someone only casually familiar with Floyd of that era could mistake some songs as Floyd. Listen to Richard Wright's albums from '78 and '96 and you'll recognize that this guy obviously had a significant influence on Floyd. I think Roger is a brilliant lyricist. That doesn't mean I have to like him as a person in order to enjoy his songs. Songs that would not be good music without great musicians to back him up. Because let's face it, Roger is not a great vocalist nor is he especially memorable on any instrument. Oh, and by the way, The Piper at the Gates of Dawn is one of my favorite Floyd albums. Syd was brilliant.
@LeeJahn-ih9xu27 күн бұрын
I love the Division Bell, play it often … Momentary Laose of Reason good too… can’t really complain about any album by David
@ZiggysDad27 күн бұрын
"A Momentary laps of reason" is a genuine Floyd album. I wasn't much into Floyd until Gilmour joined. I get that Sid was a big influence on the band at the start but I was not that into the early Floyd albums. I do feel bad for what happened to Sid in the end though. I'm not a great fan of Polly's lyrics either. Roger was the master of lyrics for Floyd. Polly doesn't come close. The albums after Roger left are not lyrically that good but the music is Floyd down the ground. So IMHO Pink Floyd are still Pink Floyd even without Roger.
@georgemathie812327 күн бұрын
I like a momentary lapse of reason because it was the album that got me into Pink Floyd and David Gilmour and it has some of my all time favorite Pink Floyd songs in dogs of war, one slip, on the turning away, yet another movie and sorrow is it classic Pink Floyd not really but to these ears it's a darn good album
@keithharris167229 күн бұрын
Glamour Profession.
@jimbricker498229 күн бұрын
Great groove, for sure. For me though, like Deacon Blues, it just feels too staid over its long run time.
@alfioinsaudo417929 күн бұрын
Nn sono un fan dei QUEEN ma Freddie Mercury e leggenda❤
@johnjenkins585429 күн бұрын
Black Cow bottom 5? Nawwww.
@billschuster6680Ай бұрын
One more quick comment. Since I didn't actually rank mine, I thought I should, at least, say that, even though Can't Buy A Thrill and Countdown To Ecstacy are my top 2 Dan albums, my number one song is Deacon Blues. It's musical perfection, but it retains a very human warmth.
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Joe Jackson?!? This should be great! Possibly the coolest video in KZread history. Everyone should watch it or risk missing out on the water cooler discussions tomorrow morning.
I agree 100 %
IM GOING TO GET IT NOW. YOU MADE IT VERY INTERESTING. THANK YOU FOR THE INFO. BE SAFE.
Thanks for reviewing this. I had downloaded it from KZread last year but never got around to listening to it. Now I must. Thanks again.
I was a huge orzabal fan and found it to be an utter catastrophe of awfulness following a somewhat ho-hum Kings of Spain. Only the track ‘Low Life’ felt remotely ok. It’s worth noting that both Elemental and Spain were also without the help of Smith so the fact that Roland did not brand it TFF was that he knew it was far afield from peoples expectations of the brand. And it’s a very good thing that he did not taint the brand with a product this bad because many casual fans would have picked that up and just vomit in bag.
I never knew this album existed. The September 11 release date probably hurt it deeply.
Ian Gillan can sing on album but on stage it's time to retire I love him since 1976
Another great vid, guys! Thanks! It looks like I have some listening to do. That AND Jim recommending a Big Big Train album?? I don't believe my ears!
I'm not a complete heathen.
@@jimbricker4982 🤣🤣🤣
imho only one did not: No jacket Required. But then: I did not like it that much in 85 either, so ...
Sting dream of the blue turtles is definitely my favorite sting solo album i still enjoy no jacket required for what it is and bryan ferry boys and girls i always thought a solo sequel to Avalon but i love the opener sensation and dont stop the dance the rest of the album is decent
Ironically Hounds of Love ended up being likely her most commercial album. Waking the Witch is just batshit crazy, I love it, its easily one of my most favourite. I was about to say 'the best' but of course music is subjective. Great to see such discussions rather than just these 'reaction' videos which seem a little pandering for clicks.
Thank you Mike! Armando and I enjoy our tangent-filled discussions. 🙂
Roger Waters was against the release of the album. David GIlmour, Nick Mason and Rick Wright made sure The Wall Live 1980-81 was released in 2000. Also Roger complained about Storm Thorgerson doing the artwork. David said if he had The Wall concert films in his hands he would have released it already but Roger has been dragging his heels.
Another great analysis, guys. With this album, Orzabal took more of a leadership position as a singer/songwriter. In doing this he paved the way for what the band would yet become, And looking at their catalog as a whole, I feel that he never wrote the same song twice. He remains one of the most unique songwriters in rock history. At least as far as I'm concerned.
It definitely has some progressive overtones for me its side 2 starting with broken segueing into head over heels broken live and finishing off with listen and Roland orzabal what an great guitar player that doesn't get recognized for his amazing guitar work on this album
Thanks for commenting - I believe we are aligned, George. 🙂
@@jimbricker4982 you're very welcome
Very good and accurate review, my young friend. I often feel that Crowded House slips under the radar here in the US. That might be because Neil Finn does whatever he wants to do. And that's OK with me.
Thanks Ken.
Met Neil Finn years ago at a radio station gig in Portland. He is a stand up guy
Phil Collins is worth 350 million. He doesn't need more money. Yes, it was an opportunity for Nic to play on his dad's last tour; but there was a lot of interest, and tickets went quickly when the tour was announced. Many fans were sad to see Phil's condition, but were glad they went to the concerts to thank Genesis and Phil for a generation of great music.
Good points, CP. Your last sentence hit home.
Bro,I like the album too 👍
John Illsley was also a permanent member of the band during all its iterations....
Thank you.
Nah. Pink Floyd does not exist without Roger Waters. He is the genius level songwriter. Without his songs, Pink Floyd is nothing. The other guys could've been replaced by session musicians, yes even Gilmore, Rogers songs cannot be replaced. Similar to how the Allman Bros. don't exist without Dickey Betts and the Grateful Dead doesn't exist without Jerry Garcia. It's the songs man... the SONGS!
Good points, Joe. Thanks for commenting.
I'll tell you my story with this album. Goes back to the tour itself. The tickets for the concert went on sale on a school day, so my mom stood in line all day at the stadium for me and my friends. But, before she got to the front, they sold out. I was such a huge Beatles fan that I was crushed when I came home expecting tickets and my mom told me the news. Flash forward a few weeks before the concert and my mom surprises me. She's won two tickets to the show in a radio call-in contest. They are mailed to the house and I take a friend. The concert is only my second, and it sets the bar for the rest of my life. The only other performers I see play with the same energy and captivate an audience for an entire show are The Eagles Hotel California tour, The Who, Warren Zevon, War tour U2, Dylan when he's on fire, and Paul two more times in later years. Naturally, I relive the concert in this album for decades to come. I study audio engineering, train my ears and start to notice the overdubs put down on top of the live recordings. Glad you mentioned there were overdubs. Some people just can't believe it. That being said, the concert itself was incredible. Basically hit after hit with the cool rockers dropped in. The concert also had some rear-screen images for atmosphere (not yet standard), theater style lights on the stage risers, and those green concert lasers shooting out over the stage which were still relatively new and unusual. Perhaps my strongest memory of the concert was that the ending just left you stunned. After two hours of songs you knew, the band comes out on a darkened stage shrouded in fog with the green lasers flickering on and off and a strange rhythm you'd never heard before. Soily kicks in and your adrenalin shoots up another level because you have no idea what this all-out rocker is, those lasers you had never seen before are shooting all over the place, and you'r brain has nothing familiar to grasp on to at all. Your mind is truly blown. When the houselights come up, you hadn't just seen a concert. You'd had an experience. P.S. The radio station seats were on the right side of the stage, second row, about ten feet from Linda🤩
I have heard interviews with Pete describing how difficult the Lifehouse period was for him. While writing Tommy Pete worked very closely with Kit Lambert, who loved the idea of a Rock Opera in part as a way to thumb his nose at the stuffy world of classical music and theater. But when Pete started work on Lifehouse, Kit had very different, let's say, priorities. He didn't work with Pete on the story at all, which involved a suit that gave the wearer a kind of proto-virtual reality/internet experience. Instead, Kit was going around Pete's back, telling everyone that he and Pete were about to work on the Tommy movie and to forget all this Lifehouse nonsense. So no-one tried to make sense of the story, and this time, Kit did nothing to help Pete clarify the plot, and the project devolved into Who's Next -- a very impressive phoenix that rose from the ashes of Lifehouse.
Best concert I’ve ever seen 1976 englewood forum Calif
Here is a band that could not exist without one member: The Who. If Townshend left at any point, as principal songwriter, they would have no new songs to play. And his guitar playing is very difficult to emulate. Pretty much any band would have had trouble surviving after losing its chief songwriter. Also if a band loses its primary instrumentalist, such as the Jeff Beck Group who could not even consider a replacement for Jeff Beck.
Good one!
Richard Wright's dismissal never sat right with me and I read as much as I could about it. As far as I can tell, the truth is that Richard's behavior added more difficulty to an already difficult album. By all accounts he was a wonderful soul and was a giant influence on me musically, this was clearly a terrible period for him. Early on during The Wall sessions Richard insisted on receiving credit as a producer despite spending very little time in the studio and submitting no songs. But, as Richard rightly said, Roger brought in the project with 90% of the songs already written. Still, its clear he did not deserve a producer credit, especially with 3 others in that role already (Waters, Gilmour, Ezrin.) Rick wasn't present in the studio because he was spending a lot of time sailing in Greece and deeply depressed over the breakup of his marriage which caused him to rely on some typical vices to help him cope. Since the recording sessions took longer than planned, there was a real possibility it would not be in stores in time for Christmas. So the record company offered something like a 1M bonus if they were able to complete their work in time. Rick was summoned back to the studio, forcing him to end his vacation so that they could wrap up the album. But Rick refused. This infuriated Roger, and Dave was so deeply disappointed that he went along with Roger's decision to fire him. Of course, we all know Rick would have his revenge soon enough...
Good context, Moog - I'd forgotten about the 1M bonus story.
Another great vid! I wore out my vinyl of this back in the day. It was also my first Wings album. And in many ways, it was the only one necessary at that time. It's still one of my favorite live albums.
Amazing that nobody mentions Alan Parsons, without whom Dark Side would've been left a bag of tape snippets. And by the way: no Waters no Floyd. Except - The Wall is a massive bore.
Eight minutes in and I already disagree 😁 Hey Jim, I love With A Gun and Through With Buzz
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I can’t find this album much now. Shame as it’s really good for me. Love it. Floyd were broke when they recorded the album and that, plus the tour, really did just wear them out. On balance, The Wall studio album must be my all-time favorite.
Terrific discussion and I agree with the Jim/Armando that A MOMENTARY LAPSE OF REASON and to a greater extent, THE DIVISION BELL are Pink Floyd albums. It's important to note that THE DIVISION BELL was the first album since Animals to include Gilmour/Wright/Mason in the creative process, Wright's first vocal performance since DARK SIDE OF THE MOON, and IMO, High Hopes is 1 of the Top 5 songs in Pink Floyd's catalogue. In terms of who contributed what in the Water's Era...I'll give Wright and Gilmour the floor. WRIGHT: Roger, by this time had become the lyricist...David and me would write some music and Roger would say ok, I'm going to go home and write some lyrics for this and come back tomorrow. GILMOUR: My musical taste and abilities had just as much actually, if not more to do with it all than Roger, and that if I allowed this dictatorship to become real and total, then our music would suffer, as I didn't think that, uh, I still don't, that that is really Roger's main forte.
Thanks PJ!
My gripes with the album: - Not thrilled how they lifted not just lines from songs but also pieced together some guitar solos. - Cutting short Gary Yudman's banter before both In The Flesh songs. - Cutting the segue to Empty Spaces was a reall letdown. Rick's keyboard piece was beautiful. - Drenching some songs' drums and vocals in reverb while others remained on the dryer side (i.e. Another Brick In The Wall Part 2) Other than that I love the album but I love putting on Feb.28 at Nassau and just cranking it.
Good analysis. It’s flawed but to have them all on stage playing it on a decent-quality recording is ❤ to me.
@@mattleppard1964Agreed. I just wish they'd use AI to clean up the picture, sound and HD upscale the Earl's Court shows recorded on 6-camera videotape. The shows on KZread suffer from a bad picture and audio.
Finally made the time to watch - great rundown gents!
Thank you very much, I take this as a major complement - coming from you!
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As a long time Floyd fan, I’ve never had any issues with Momentary Lapse or Division Bell. Considering the absence of Waters, Gilmour and the guys did well in putting together a couple of rather compelling albums. They still maintained that Floyd-like style, very moody, melancholy and menacing at times. I can assess that their Waterless albums don’t hold a candle to their ‘70s material, but I have much respect for their efforts put forth in their latter years. Even the Endless River has several shining moments.
It's not classic PF. Band remnants after Waters departed and track composition never achieves classic brilliance. Note that Waters solo work also never reaches the previous creative heights without other PF members.
The answer to your question is NO
If Pink Floyd without Roger Waters isn't Pink Floyd then anything without Syd isn't Pink Floyd. So the only Pink Floyd albums would be Piper and Saucerful
@bingus2 I do not agree. Roger wrote all of Pink Floyd's best songs. He's the one genuis level guy in the band. Without his lyrics, Pink Floyd is nothing. All the other guys could be replaced by session musicians, yes even Gilmore, Roger's songs cannot be replaced.
@@joeshoe6184 Therein lies the issue as I believe all the things you just said also apply to Richard Wright and Syd Barrett. Richard wrote (excluding lyrics) Us and Them, parts of Echoes, The Great Gig in the Sky, Shine on Parts 6-9 (not the previous parts), he contributed to Breathe and Time respectively, and all his smaller songs that some people don't know very well but I enjoy them. (See-Saw, Summer '68, ect.). Richard may not have been the best lyricist but he contributed my favourite parts of their later work, and without him the band would not have been the same. I think without Rogers lyrics, the band would've been one of the greatest instrumental bands of all time. Also, Roger wasn't even the best bassist in the band. Gilmour had to do his bass parts for him in Pigs (3 Different Ones) because it was too hard for him lol. I think each band member put in their own weight and without each one of them they are not the same, but even if some of them are missing I do believe that they are still Pink Floyd.
Correction: Richard was the main composer of Echoes, alongside Gilmour. Roger contributed exclusively lyrics to Echoes.
@@bingus2 well put and good points, but as I said, the songs and lyrics written mainly by Waters are the one absolutely irreplaceable aspect of Pink Floyd's sound.
yup. Still Pink Floyd, In the case of Division Bell it's Pink Floyd at their best with the almost psychic connection between David and Rick being absolutely incredible.
Yes it’s still Pink Floyd. Lyrics took a hit but the music stayed awesome 😎
This is a great topic! I agree with Gilmour essentially that tracks from "The Final Cut" were Wall leftovers and not strong enough for a full album and imo, "Pros and Cons" by RW has one memorable song on it "Every Stranger's Eyes" but Gilmour was a stick in the mud for sure the others really didn't have much to contribute, and Gilmour wanted to do a solo tour so I can understand Waters' frustration. "Radio K.A.O.S." and "Amused to Death" would have made spectacular tours if under the Pink Floyd brand and "MLoR" and "Division Bell" are fine albums. I saw MLoR on tour once in Foxboro, MA and was at the opening show for the Division Bell tour in Miami and also caught it in Tampa and at Yankee Stadium. I don't recognize "Endless River" as a Floyd album and in the end, they couldn't continue without Waters and David Gilmour doesn't like to tour or travel overseas any how, so how can the remaining members Floyd expect to carry on when the leader doesn't want to tour and they didn't bring on any new permanent members to replace Waters? Really there were only two founding members of the band left and imo, Jon Carin and Guy Pratt should have been made full members of the band if they were carry on with a post Waters version of PF.
Not Pink Floyd, in my humble opinion. It's David Gilmour with two other members from Pink Floyd. And that's fine, I like Gilmour, Wright, and Mason making music. But it's not Pink Floyd. Beige Floyd at best. In fact, I have all these albums in my Apple Music library but have renamed them David Gilmour.
Great coverage! I think you covered everything that came to my mind at some point. And I agree with you both: I is still Pink Floyd! Thanks again, my friends. I'll see you in the next vid! God bless you both!
I think the better question is: Is any album made after Wish You Were Here REALLY Pink Floyd, or just glorified Roger Waters solo albums and then later glorified David Gilmour solo albums?
AFAIC the Division Bell is what PF would have done had they not made DSOTM and WYWH.
Bands evolve. I've been listening to Pink Floyd since the early '70s. The first concert I ever attended was The Dark side of the Moon in Paris France. I was at the Miami Florida Division Bell Concert. And many concerts in between. They're all Floyd. Listen to David Gilmour's solo albums from '78 and '84 ... someone only casually familiar with Floyd of that era could mistake some songs as Floyd. Listen to Richard Wright's albums from '78 and '96 and you'll recognize that this guy obviously had a significant influence on Floyd. I think Roger is a brilliant lyricist. That doesn't mean I have to like him as a person in order to enjoy his songs. Songs that would not be good music without great musicians to back him up. Because let's face it, Roger is not a great vocalist nor is he especially memorable on any instrument. Oh, and by the way, The Piper at the Gates of Dawn is one of my favorite Floyd albums. Syd was brilliant.
I love the Division Bell, play it often … Momentary Laose of Reason good too… can’t really complain about any album by David
"A Momentary laps of reason" is a genuine Floyd album. I wasn't much into Floyd until Gilmour joined. I get that Sid was a big influence on the band at the start but I was not that into the early Floyd albums. I do feel bad for what happened to Sid in the end though. I'm not a great fan of Polly's lyrics either. Roger was the master of lyrics for Floyd. Polly doesn't come close. The albums after Roger left are not lyrically that good but the music is Floyd down the ground. So IMHO Pink Floyd are still Pink Floyd even without Roger.
I like a momentary lapse of reason because it was the album that got me into Pink Floyd and David Gilmour and it has some of my all time favorite Pink Floyd songs in dogs of war, one slip, on the turning away, yet another movie and sorrow is it classic Pink Floyd not really but to these ears it's a darn good album
Glamour Profession.
Great groove, for sure. For me though, like Deacon Blues, it just feels too staid over its long run time.
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Black Cow bottom 5? Nawwww.
One more quick comment. Since I didn't actually rank mine, I thought I should, at least, say that, even though Can't Buy A Thrill and Countdown To Ecstacy are my top 2 Dan albums, my number one song is Deacon Blues. It's musical perfection, but it retains a very human warmth.