Great coverage! I think you covered everything that came to my mind at some point. And I agree with you both: I is still Pink Floyd! Thanks again, my friends. I'll see you in the next vid! God bless you both!

This is a great topic! I agree with Gilmour essentially that tracks from "The Final Cut" were Wall leftovers and not strong enough for a full album and imo, "Pros and Cons" by RW has one memorable song on it "Every Stranger's Eyes" but Gilmour was a stick in the mud for sure the others really didn't have much to contribute, and Gilmour wanted to do a solo tour so I can understand Waters' frustration. "Radio K.A.O.S." and "Amused to Death" would have made spectacular tours if under the Pink Floyd brand and "MLoR" and "Division Bell" are fine albums. I saw MLoR on tour once in Foxboro, MA and was at the opening show for the Division Bell tour in Miami and also caught it in Tampa and at Yankee Stadium. I don't recognize "Endless River" as a Floyd album and in the end, they couldn't continue without Waters and David Gilmour doesn't like to tour or travel overseas any how, so how can the remaining members Floyd expect to carry on when the leader doesn't want to tour and they didn't bring on any new permanent members to replace Waters? Really there were only two founding members of the band left and imo, Jon Carin and Guy Pratt should have been made full members of the band if they were carry on with a post Waters version of PF.

As a long time Floyd fan, I’ve never had any issues with Momentary Lapse or Division Bell. Considering the absence of Waters, Gilmour and the guys did well in putting together a couple of rather compelling albums. They still maintained that Floyd-like style, very moody, melancholy and menacing at times. I can assess that their Waterless albums don’t hold a candle to their ‘70s material, but I have much respect for their efforts put forth in their latter years. Even the Endless River has several shining moments.

yup. Still Pink Floyd, In the case of Division Bell it's Pink Floyd at their best with the almost psychic connection between David and Rick being absolutely incredible.

I love the Division Bell, play it often … Momentary Laose of Reason good too… can’t really complain about any album by David

I like a momentary lapse of reason because it was the album that got me into Pink Floyd and David Gilmour and it has some of my all time favorite Pink Floyd songs in dogs of war, one slip, on the turning away, yet another movie and sorrow is it classic Pink Floyd not really but to these ears it's a darn good album

AFAIC the Division Bell is what PF would have done had they not made DSOTM and WYWH.

I think the better question is: Is any album made after Wish You Were Here REALLY Pink Floyd, or just glorified Roger Waters solo albums and then later glorified David Gilmour solo albums?

Terrific discussion and I agree with the Jim/Armando that A MOMENTARY LAPSE OF REASON and to a greater extent, THE DIVISION BELL are Pink Floyd albums. It's important to note that THE DIVISION BELL was the first album since Animals to include Gilmour/Wright/Mason in the creative process, Wright's first vocal performance since DARK SIDE OF THE MOON, and IMO, High Hopes is 1 of the Top 5 songs in Pink Floyd's catalogue. In terms of who contributed what in the Water's Era...I'll give Wright and Gilmour the floor. WRIGHT: Roger, by this time had become the lyricist...David and me would write some music and Roger would say ok, I'm going to go home and write some lyrics for this and come back tomorrow. GILMOUR: My musical taste and abilities had just as much actually, if not more to do with it all than Roger, and that if I allowed this dictatorship to become real and total, then our music would suffer, as I didn't think that, uh, I still don't, that that is really Roger's main forte.

@jimbricker4982

8 күн бұрын

Thanks PJ!

Yes it’s still Pink Floyd. Lyrics took a hit but the music stayed awesome 😎

Bands evolve. I've been listening to Pink Floyd since the early '70s. The first concert I ever attended was The Dark side of the Moon in Paris France. I was at the Miami Florida Division Bell Concert. And many concerts in between. They're all Floyd. Listen to David Gilmour's solo albums from '78 and '84 ... someone only casually familiar with Floyd of that era could mistake some songs as Floyd. Listen to Richard Wright's albums from '78 and '96 and you'll recognize that this guy obviously had a significant influence on Floyd. I think Roger is a brilliant lyricist. That doesn't mean I have to like him as a person in order to enjoy his songs. Songs that would not be good music without great musicians to back him up. Because let's face it, Roger is not a great vocalist nor is he especially memorable on any instrument. Oh, and by the way, The Piper at the Gates of Dawn is one of my favorite Floyd albums. Syd was brilliant.

Richard Wright's dismissal never sat right with me and I read as much as I could about it. As far as I can tell, the truth is that Richard's behavior added more difficulty to an already difficult album. By all accounts he was a wonderful soul and was a giant influence on me musically, this was clearly a terrible period for him. Early on during The Wall sessions Richard insisted on receiving credit as a producer despite spending very little time in the studio and submitting no songs. But, as Richard rightly said, Roger brought in the project with 90% of the songs already written. Still, its clear he did not deserve a producer credit, especially with 3 others in that role already (Waters, Gilmour, Ezrin.) Rick wasn't present in the studio because he was spending a lot of time sailing in Greece and deeply depressed over the breakup of his marriage which caused him to rely on some typical vices to help him cope. Since the recording sessions took longer than planned, there was a real possibility it would not be in stores in time for Christmas. So the record company offered something like a 1M bonus if they were able to complete their work in time. Rick was summoned back to the studio, forcing him to end his vacation so that they could wrap up the album. But Rick refused. This infuriated Roger, and Dave was so deeply disappointed that he went along with Roger's decision to fire him. Of course, we all know Rick would have his revenge soon enough...

@jimbricker4982

8 күн бұрын

Good context, Moog - I'd forgotten about the 1M bonus story.

Not Pink Floyd, in my humble opinion. It's David Gilmour with two other members from Pink Floyd. And that's fine, I like Gilmour, Wright, and Mason making music. But it's not Pink Floyd. Beige Floyd at best. In fact, I have all these albums in my Apple Music library but have renamed them David Gilmour.

"A Momentary laps of reason" is a genuine Floyd album. I wasn't much into Floyd until Gilmour joined. I get that Sid was a big influence on the band at the start but I was not that into the early Floyd albums. I do feel bad for what happened to Sid in the end though. I'm not a great fan of Polly's lyrics either. Roger was the master of lyrics for Floyd. Polly doesn't come close. The albums after Roger left are not lyrically that good but the music is Floyd down the ground. So IMHO Pink Floyd are still Pink Floyd even without Roger.

Here is a band that could not exist without one member: The Who. If Townshend left at any point, as principal songwriter, they would have no new songs to play. And his guitar playing is very difficult to emulate. Pretty much any band would have had trouble surviving after losing its chief songwriter. Also if a band loses its primary instrumentalist, such as the Jeff Beck Group who could not even consider a replacement for Jeff Beck.

@jimbricker4982

8 күн бұрын

Good one!

It's not classic PF. Band remnants after Waters departed and track composition never achieves classic brilliance. Note that Waters solo work also never reaches the previous creative heights without other PF members.

Nah. Pink Floyd does not exist without Roger Waters. He is the genius level songwriter. Without his songs, Pink Floyd is nothing. The other guys could've been replaced by session musicians, yes even Gilmore, Rogers songs cannot be replaced. Similar to how the Allman Bros. don't exist without Dickey Betts and the Grateful Dead doesn't exist without Jerry Garcia. It's the songs man... the SONGS!

@jimbricker4982

8 күн бұрын

Good points, Joe. Thanks for commenting.

Amazing that nobody mentions Alan Parsons, without whom Dark Side would've been left a bag of tape snippets. And by the way: no Waters no Floyd. Except - The Wall is a massive bore.

The answer to your question is NO

@bingus2

21 күн бұрын

If Pink Floyd without Roger Waters isn't Pink Floyd then anything without Syd isn't Pink Floyd. So the only Pink Floyd albums would be Piper and Saucerful

@joeshoe6184

18 күн бұрын

​@bingus2 I do not agree. Roger wrote all of Pink Floyd's best songs. He's the one genuis level guy in the band. Without his lyrics, Pink Floyd is nothing. All the other guys could be replaced by session musicians, yes even Gilmore, Roger's songs cannot be replaced.

@bingus2

18 күн бұрын

@@joeshoe6184 Therein lies the issue as I believe all the things you just said also apply to Richard Wright and Syd Barrett. Richard wrote (excluding lyrics) Us and Them, parts of Echoes, The Great Gig in the Sky, Shine on Parts 6-9 (not the previous parts), he contributed to Breathe and Time respectively, and all his smaller songs that some people don't know very well but I enjoy them. (See-Saw, Summer '68, ect.). Richard may not have been the best lyricist but he contributed my favourite parts of their later work, and without him the band would not have been the same. I think without Rogers lyrics, the band would've been one of the greatest instrumental bands of all time. Also, Roger wasn't even the best bassist in the band. Gilmour had to do his bass parts for him in Pigs (3 Different Ones) because it was too hard for him lol. I think each band member put in their own weight and without each one of them they are not the same, but even if some of them are missing I do believe that they are still Pink Floyd.

@bingus2

18 күн бұрын

Correction: Richard was the main composer of Echoes, alongside Gilmour. Roger contributed exclusively lyrics to Echoes.

@joeshoe6184

18 күн бұрын

@@bingus2 well put and good points, but as I said, the songs and lyrics written mainly by Waters are the one absolutely irreplaceable aspect of Pink Floyd's sound.