I'm only a hundred or so hours in but think it's inarguable that Elden ring boss design is significantly lacking compared to other souls games, but I find it surprising that you didn't find ANY bosses particularly fun or interesting - this definitely isn't my experience. Of the bosses I've encountered so far I think Margit's a perfectly fine boss with good design. I wasn't very impressed with the original Godfried but I did think the evergaol version was pretty decent. The boss version of the guy with the telekinetic sword was also a fairly solid boss with good design.... I'm sure there's others but I'd only say MOST bosses have seriously lacking design and come off incredibly wanting, but definitely not all =/ edit: ah... should have watched more... I don't think there's any input reading that just seems to be cope from people lol, or if it did exist at some point I see no evidence of it now, and it was continuously a complaint of people in previous souls games where it most definitely never existed.... so I'm inclined to think it's just pure cope. edit again: interestingly you identify Godfried's wind attack as being a problem lol this doesn't make much/[any?] sense to me - having fought Godfried's evergaol version only a few days back - the wind attack is fairly well telegraphed, as a melee character I never had problems dodging it unless I was standing way too close and was therefore unable to avoid the AOE expansion. Additionally this wind attack is successive and ramps up significantly - which is an element of GOOD boss design - even if you react slowly and get hit by the first one it does virtually no damage and you can still get away before being hit by the second spin, if you fail then it does 'meh s'okay' damage and poise, but can still get away without taking too much damage unless you hang around for the last expansion (which I think only happens once he's below 50%) at which point you're going to have a bad time. Either way after the expansions he then goes with one of two attacks (with a potential intermediary if you've moved far enough away or tried to obstruct LOS) and again you are presented with opportunities to succeed and recoup or fail further - which is all I think quite good design, rewarding responsiveness and engagement and being forgiving with lapses so long as you're actually trying, but being brutally punishing if you're not really trying. edit again but almost immediately after the last one so it doesn't really count -.-: haven't fought the godskin noble yet just some apostles, but just looking at that expansion attack, there's a pretty clear telegraph visible to me, it hardly looks unavoidable... also how's it work with blocking? It's extremely common for them to have attacks that are difficult to dodge but easy to block and vice versa - I'd expect that this attack would push you back on the initial expansion and give you time to dodge the follow-up if you blocked... but will see how it goes for me once I get there. final edit: yeah okay this does seem unironically like a skill issue lol - especially the supposed 'input reading' complaints lol, if you're unable to tell when is safe to heal and when is not you're just not paying attention or doing decent analysis. They're not waiting for you to heal to strike, you're just being dumb and healing when they're in a position to strike lol - this is not something that EVER happens to me I know when it's safe and it doesn't take much battle experience to know when these openings are. If I get hit I know when I do it that it's a real possibility and that I'm choosing to take a risk - sometimes that risk is worth it but you're putting your hands into RNG for a favorable outcome in those cases. also find it extremely amusing that the small number of bosses I think have actually good design in line with previous games are the ones you almost exclusively focused on >.<
@TeethMeat-jm8ouКүн бұрын
.... Isn't the complaints like bosses jumping around isn't that just like sekiro? What is the issue with mobile bosses?
@doompenguin7453Күн бұрын
The issue with mobile bosses is that I don't have teleportation abilities like in DMC to get to them immediately after they create distance. I hate running after bosses. It's not fun, it makes the fights longer than necessary, and it's plain annoying.
@TeethMeat-jm8ou23 сағат бұрын
Sounds like a cool mechanic of devil may cry, haven't played before so I don't know. Sorry you don't like it. Like ya I have a hard time with Maliketh but fire giant is one of my favorite bosses. Fun is subjective and if you're not having fun that sucks, sorry dude. I hope you find something that is more fun. If I were to get into devil may cry where would you suggest starting?
@doompenguin745320 сағат бұрын
@@TeethMeat-jm8ou DMC5 is the most accessible. DMC 4 has the deepest combat, and DMC3 has the coolest story, but 4 is too complex mechanically, and 3 is very old and somewhat clunky. Try 5, if you like it, then try the others.
@TeethMeat-jm8ou20 сағат бұрын
@@doompenguin7453 would it mess up the story or nah?
@doompenguin745320 сағат бұрын
@@TeethMeat-jm8ou The games were never in chronological order. The chronological order is 3 --> 1 --> 2 --> 4 --> 5. If you play 5 first, you won't recognise a good number of the references, but you can follow the story just fine.
@richardnja2 күн бұрын
will this work for handbrake?
@lennartsenden12202 күн бұрын
Have to disagree on the delayed charges. I want to fight, not a pure pattern recognition. It's completely unnatural and only possible because of the poise mechanic. A sekiro boss always had to defend themself, they couldn't just take forever to load up and tank every hit on the way. Panic rolling can still be punished. Just don't make unnaturally lonh buildups. Or don't let the enemy run into my face for two seconds straight, they should hit directly or at least stop moving if they want to execute a feint. All possible without this bs counterintuitive unnatural stuff in elden ring.
@e.t.v.12553 күн бұрын
The game is so unbalanced for a lot of bosses . For me it was the godskin duo . The game wont let me read their move set because they keep attacking me with different timing . I take the blasphemous sword and spam L2 for all the fight . Is it a fun and satisfying way to win not really but the game wont let me that much choice
@gowgox93625 күн бұрын
Using one of the best builds in the game(even with the dlc expansion) and then complaining that the build destroys bosses and blaming that on the game for having bad design is so absurd. There is no proper way to play the game but using an overpowered build to represent the general experience isn’t a good foundation for a video. Certain options are going to be better than others and that shouldn’t take away from what weaker builds or different experiences have to offer
@mladen51403 күн бұрын
The video makes a point about how the boss design sucks even if your build is weaker for like 80% of the video
@pranav74716 күн бұрын
So basically, you choose to cheese Boss fights and then say its not enjoyable lol. Camera issues are the only legit Boss fight issues, everything else is your choice to make the boss fights boring.
@christianm72506 күн бұрын
They took the fun out of hard
@nitroc1ty6 күн бұрын
If you really love bosses. Try monster hunter world it’s essentially a boss rush game.
@Spectralanomaly68 күн бұрын
Git gud, skill issue.
@harry62708 күн бұрын
I honestly can understand why some people are not a fan of how the bosses are designed in this game. I personally enjoyed most of the boss fights with some exceptions like Melania, Godskin Duo, twin gargoyles, and red wolf. My main critique with the bosses are the delayed attacks. Having some attacks that are tricky to predict is fine but omg a boss holding their sword in the air for 5 seconds is just SO DUMB.
@Follower_of_Havel8 күн бұрын
I miss when the Boss used a risky attack and was exposed to punishment, today the Boss uses 3 different hit kill attacks and is ready for another one
@SicMundus-XCV9 күн бұрын
I actually agree 100% with this video, in the past whether it's Bloodborne or Dark Souls 3, the best From software games, and Bloodborne being my favorite, there was a sense of triumph and accomplishment, they reacted meaningfully to your attacks, and when they felt unrelenting it felt like you can still find the windows to get your hits in and form a strategy, the Bosses in Elden Ring with a few exceptions are very trashy, the hit boxes are all over the place, some are good and others get ridiculously bad, as someone who takes Bosses Head on, without summons or any help I got to say Elden Ring is so weak in this department like the thrill of telegraphing your enemy and the satisfaction of finally beating the Boss is kind of absent in this game like the tree guardians of the minor trees were better encounters than the main ones, it's so strange some bosses you beat them and the feeling you get is mixed you're like finally over but there's a sour taste, like confusion, it really comes across as douchy boss design, the delayed attacks especially, you get tired of it really fast. I just don't see the fun in sending a fucking shadow or ghost or whatever to distract the boss so you can go behind them and fuck them up so dishonorably.
@ExecutiveGoth12 күн бұрын
What I hate is how the bosses have no ressources. So many of them don’t have any consequences for misplaying. If feels like getting as many hits as possible in between a wave of combos, instead of making them make a mistake/lose stamina or find a window to punish. I think bleed mitigates this, and it’s why I think it’s so fun. It rewards you for landing those small hits and turns them into a big hit.
@theivans9013 күн бұрын
Where do I find the "Arbalest" modification??
@Chingbong114 күн бұрын
Sorry but all I gotta say is git good
@mrniceguy312914 күн бұрын
Watching this video rn because a boss beat my ass for a day straight
@praisetheSun99015 күн бұрын
What about a lot of copy and paste bosses?
@Junotrigger3 күн бұрын
@@praisetheSun990 That’s my big issue with the game. Sure, I can get better at the game and beat whatever boss I’m struggling with, but 9 times out of ten that boss is a reskin so I get no enjoyment from it. There’s no reason to fight 90% of the bosses in this game because they’re mostly all just repeats
@wiredelectrosphere15 күн бұрын
I would also add that while bosses are jumping around like monkeys on crack, your camera only lets you see your ass while they do so. I did enjoy Malenia though, she Is extremely hard but she at least not 100ft tall and I love how she menacingly awaits your next move to respond with an ass beating. Other than that It feels like the game is designed in a way where player should find a cheese tactic against the boss rather than getting good at It
@goldeyes-gk6mm16 күн бұрын
elden ring boss fight arent so good beayse theyre too hard when not using any cheese or overpowered build and when using them boss fight are too much a spam to win
@wiliex068717 күн бұрын
People are scared to get good
@Spitfire002418 күн бұрын
1:36 it’s not inputting reading, it’s animation reading. It’s the same thing when bosses do stuff based on where you are. The other souls games do the same thing
@youcantbeatk700617 күн бұрын
It just feels inconsistent when the bosses aren't very aggressive, they just slowly walk around for awhile and then the instant you do anything, they all of a sudden wake up and punish you. It defies how you'd naturally expect them to react.
@samuel.jpg.1080p19 күн бұрын
somehow the boss design is much worse in the dlc now. DLC final boss 2nd phase is everything wrong with the boss design crammed up in 1 boss
@Silky_Chan21 күн бұрын
Bro the designs are cool though
@samuel.jpg.1080p19 күн бұрын
i don't think the channel means the visual design, it's more about mechanical design as in how it's designed to fight. The visual of the bosses are all stellar
@CloudWithoutASky21 күн бұрын
I don't like how elden ring bosses requires you to basically be a Jack of all trades in magic. Bosses practically expect you to be. Being raw physical based on str or str/dex is entirely useless. The bosses are a lot like pokemon in terms of weakness scaling and Less like something like elder scrolls or even some final fantasies. The magic or status effects now is a necessity to hurt these bosses. Parry and riposte is an ancient tool that requires skill is a skill that isnt admired by new players, and they don't realize how satisfying that stuff used to be from older games. After playing the dlc and even more Input reading and artificial difficulty with the scadutree fragments. The game kind of gets silly. Honestly. Elden Ring is a gateway to Dark Souls for Casual gamers. I'm getting my brother into demons souls and he's whining but he will get over it. I also think Sekiro kinda sucked imo being an invisible rhythm simulator but whatever.
@blackwng23 күн бұрын
this game was fun up until after I killed morgott now every boss literally feels the same, bosses just spam you constantly and aren't fun to fight at all. they feel like literally laziest attempts at bosses ive ever seen... the wind up attempts that you have to just fight and fight and fight until you remember the timing is just sAD
@Saguya2024 күн бұрын
I need an easy mode for Touhou games. I'm sorry.
@Saguya2024 күн бұрын
You've voiced out my thoughts about ER bosses. Thank you, you deserve a sub.
@MagiaBased24 күн бұрын
Elden Ring exploration is awesome but I'd rather fight DS1-3 Bosses in a Boss rush than a single ER Boss again (they're either annoyingly hard by having Bullshit combos with no openings or Ash of War Spam easy)
@SteveDice2125 күн бұрын
And for god's sake. Disable any kind of frame limiter or v-sync. I spent 5 years thinking I sucked at quick-switching.
@LG1ikLx27 күн бұрын
Elden Ring is like playing Sekiro as a Dark Souls character 😂 Don't get me wrong, I do like Elden Ring. But the bossing isn't great. They were balanced around spirit ashes and Co-op. So you share the bosses agro between multiple friendlies. You can tell this because evergoals feel far more balanced compared to spirit summoning areas. (Atleast the ones that aren't to easy). Certain questlines are stupidly difficult to follow along. Lies of P has little icons showing you when you have something for an NPC. Elden Ring should have put icons next to sites of grace. This still allows the player to find the next place but giving them a rough idea of where it is. For example you here a wolf howling so you go back to the first merchant. But if you already bought his useful items then you have 0 reason to talk to him again. Or later blight is in a Evergoal. But nothing hints at this. You can tell most people looked at guides for this game with the achievement percentages. The hidden ending has just as many completions as the default ending. And souls veterans who played these games since Ds and DS1 are saying they looked at a guide cos they couldn't figure something out
@MoonieThat27 күн бұрын
actually super helpful I always thought, how do people quick switch with the numbers? I never thought about actually rebinding to have them all closer and more convenient, thanks sm! even if I am 3 years ahead!
@doompenguin745327 күн бұрын
I know a guy who has been quick switching with the default controls for years and if better than me. You can do it, but that doesn't mean you should.
@codycry319628 күн бұрын
he is an idiot if he thinks his going to ignore criticism bc that's stupid if ur wrong ppl will let you know he just wants to be right when his not he wants to complain about the game bc his bad at it I will say one thing his right at the bosses running away for u to chase them get a few hit then them running away agin is annoying but I don't think that's bad boss design u got to dodge there ranged attacks and get in close other then that everything else he is wrong about it's not bad boss design u just suck own up to it and beat the boss that simple don't come up on KZread to complain and bash the game if ur not ready for criticism that's stupid this video and all the comments are just here for ppl that are bad at the game to just crap on it bc they can't overcome the boss it's either this boss is to hard or annoying or bad design it's not my fault yall have ur own egos so far up ur own ass u can't come to terms with u being bad at a video game and improve yourself get better at it don't complain if ur bad just say so and move on don't come on KZread and complain bc u can't beat the boss and if u don't like the bosses and just want to explore sorry to tell u but that's not elden ring it's both u can't have one without the other it's not the Gane for u if u just want to explore and that's it that's not what kinda game it is get over yourself
@Milo-l4g27 күн бұрын
I've beaten Dark Souls 2, 3, Sekiro and Elden Ring (I've even 100%d Dark Souls II), and I can say that bosses in this game are just bad. It pushes you to play in very specific ways, ways that aren't very fun. At the same time that it offers you plenty of ways to cheese bosses (summons, bleed), none of the mechanics are complex enough to deal with the bosses. The bosses just feel like they were made for a different game entirely.
@youcantbeatk700617 күн бұрын
Gibberish
@codycry319628 күн бұрын
Skill issue
@skfromda915628 күн бұрын
Also the fact that most of the bosses spam one ability back to back often
@icebough419128 күн бұрын
Modern FROMSOFT boss design is gravely concerning…though I will say I did enjoy playing Armored Core 6 bosses more than Elden ring bosses
@Jono-wz3eu29 күн бұрын
You act like moving bosses are unheard of in fromsoft games. But there are many bosses like smough, aldrich, wolnir, bed, four kings, ds Gwyndolin, and ml butterfly where running around the arena was literally required to beat them, yet it’s a problem that malekith has a ranged attack and needs space to use it? Also you act like malekith isn’t a final boss in the game who literally wields the concept of death but you want him to have 3 slash moves where he stands still so you can roll into him over and over until he dies like what?? If you want to fight a boss like that in Elden ring you know there’s bell berring hunters, misbegottens, crucible knights, and bloodhounds to do it against. Also your saying ripostes are bad when your literally using nothing to buff them. Maybe if you were not using a pure bleed build they would be doing more damage. Also parrying is good like have you seen the fast kill strat for Margit? Maybe fromsoft doesn’t want a fire lord Gwyn situation where people end up parrying their final boss over and over again instead of actually fighting him . Don’t use a ng+ build against early game bosses and say “this is broken” when your an overleveled minmaxer fighting a godskin noble. Maybe that’s why they made the bosses have more health BECAUSE ITS AN OPEN WORLD GAME that’s easy to break, like fromsoft added so many unique items for your enjoyment and you are surprised that 1 of them is too good? There’s been broken builds in every fromsoft game yet now it’s a problem?? Also complaining about summons like they haven’t made fromsoft games stupid easy in the past is laughable. In ds1 I used a summon once on gargoyles and beat them no hit first try like it’s not just an Elden ring problem. Also random long chained attacks aren’t a bad thing it makes bosses move sets more diverse and makes it a diffrent fight every time which bosses like abyss watchers, and soul of cinder don’t have as their movers are linear. The only thing I agree with you on is bosses punish you way to often for example Margit punishes you with his knife after you try to get damage in after a combo like that’s just bad design.
@RAILROAD112529 күн бұрын
Preach! There wasn't a time playing ER and Erdtree without thinking that I could have just played DS3 or BB again... Erdtree took everything hateable in ER and tripled the awfulness level.
@infinitechumbucket29 күн бұрын
It's an open world game they had to make the bosses tankier to balance out the broken shit people would comeup with like you or me the bleedbuild you used shreds through them or my magic glasscanon build since it is an openworld game they HAD TO balance it out by giving them more health and making it so that you can't attack as often becoming ULTRA broken in fromsoftware games was never this easy
@markj348929 күн бұрын
Spending countless minutes to run across boss arenas only for the Elden Beast/Astel/whomever to just teleport to the other side is, imo, one of the biggest blunders in the boss design in ER. All for spectacle. I played the fuck out of it on release and loved it, but the more I went down that rabbit hole the more glaring the design flaws became.
@Jono-wz3eu29 күн бұрын
So bosses can’t have ranged attacks smh 🤦
@markj348928 күн бұрын
Not sure if a comment that stupid deserves a response. So this is the best I can do. @Jono-wz3eu
@johnchristian7788Ай бұрын
Summary: Nvidia - ray tracing better. More features. Hardware encoding better - better for recording and streaming. Supports HDMI 2.1 AMD - more vram - Future proof. Good Wayland support. Games - one of the driver funded by valve. Can install multiple and switch between drivers. So better for games. Desktop works out of the box - comes pre-installed with the driver. Basically, if you are a professional streamer or need to record KZread videos of your desktop, get Nvidia. Else, if you just want to use the computer and game on it, get AMD.
@MrJabbothehutАй бұрын
The real skill in ER is mastering the spreadsheet rather than anything mechanically challenging. It is the ultimate streamer game for endless amounts of shitty and low effort content.
@rukakuu_onedaybloodborne_PCАй бұрын
Oh boy now people are saying the same thing and base game looks like a baby game compare to dlc😂😂
@RyleyStormАй бұрын
The game was designed to have you use every piece of your arsenal, jumping, rolling, aow and whatever you have in your arsenal. Many attacks you mentioned being unreactable are if you take the time to learn them except that godskin shit fuck that. On my first playthrough i played it like darksouls and felt the same way you did, you don't have the time like you did in ds3, you have to be proactive and make opportunities instead of waiting around for your turn. I strongly recommend you try again but test what you can do between enemy attacks. I wish you luck, the game is tough, but it is very fun when you dont become the bleed blender.
@leadpipejustice9253Ай бұрын
Nah git gud
@doompenguin7453Ай бұрын
No u.
@Unhinged_cultАй бұрын
Brainless fromsoft fan
@thebakedchefАй бұрын
Oh boy is the more relevant than ever.
@BlueDragon7511Ай бұрын
I'm trying to help a friend progress through a game whenever we have the time, but it always feels like it's a chore to go through the game all over again because of everything you mentioned. That's not fun. A video game is supposed to help you break away from reality, not tick you off to the point you're about to commit a hate crime. I'm ranting at this rate. I'm a Soulsborne veteran, and I'm just about done with said Soulsborne games if this is how FromSoft is gonna treat their products. As soon as I'm done helping my friend out, I'm moving on.
@colonelradec5956Ай бұрын
Im done with this boss. Its ass. Its less that its hard and more that its annoying. Me getting hit is random chance. All rng in that fight. You have to sacrifice taking hits to get hits cause he just runs. Its bad no other way of wording it.
@colonelradec5956Ай бұрын
Its complete rng. Ive had runs where i didnt get touched. Ive also had runs 5 minutes in and weve done 0 damage and used every heal. Its his rolling. It turns rhe fight from an 8 to a 3
@fenix_cords552Ай бұрын
If I'm honest it just sounds like you guys don't really enjoy the game that much
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I'm only a hundred or so hours in but think it's inarguable that Elden ring boss design is significantly lacking compared to other souls games, but I find it surprising that you didn't find ANY bosses particularly fun or interesting - this definitely isn't my experience. Of the bosses I've encountered so far I think Margit's a perfectly fine boss with good design. I wasn't very impressed with the original Godfried but I did think the evergaol version was pretty decent. The boss version of the guy with the telekinetic sword was also a fairly solid boss with good design.... I'm sure there's others but I'd only say MOST bosses have seriously lacking design and come off incredibly wanting, but definitely not all =/ edit: ah... should have watched more... I don't think there's any input reading that just seems to be cope from people lol, or if it did exist at some point I see no evidence of it now, and it was continuously a complaint of people in previous souls games where it most definitely never existed.... so I'm inclined to think it's just pure cope. edit again: interestingly you identify Godfried's wind attack as being a problem lol this doesn't make much/[any?] sense to me - having fought Godfried's evergaol version only a few days back - the wind attack is fairly well telegraphed, as a melee character I never had problems dodging it unless I was standing way too close and was therefore unable to avoid the AOE expansion. Additionally this wind attack is successive and ramps up significantly - which is an element of GOOD boss design - even if you react slowly and get hit by the first one it does virtually no damage and you can still get away before being hit by the second spin, if you fail then it does 'meh s'okay' damage and poise, but can still get away without taking too much damage unless you hang around for the last expansion (which I think only happens once he's below 50%) at which point you're going to have a bad time. Either way after the expansions he then goes with one of two attacks (with a potential intermediary if you've moved far enough away or tried to obstruct LOS) and again you are presented with opportunities to succeed and recoup or fail further - which is all I think quite good design, rewarding responsiveness and engagement and being forgiving with lapses so long as you're actually trying, but being brutally punishing if you're not really trying. edit again but almost immediately after the last one so it doesn't really count -.-: haven't fought the godskin noble yet just some apostles, but just looking at that expansion attack, there's a pretty clear telegraph visible to me, it hardly looks unavoidable... also how's it work with blocking? It's extremely common for them to have attacks that are difficult to dodge but easy to block and vice versa - I'd expect that this attack would push you back on the initial expansion and give you time to dodge the follow-up if you blocked... but will see how it goes for me once I get there. final edit: yeah okay this does seem unironically like a skill issue lol - especially the supposed 'input reading' complaints lol, if you're unable to tell when is safe to heal and when is not you're just not paying attention or doing decent analysis. They're not waiting for you to heal to strike, you're just being dumb and healing when they're in a position to strike lol - this is not something that EVER happens to me I know when it's safe and it doesn't take much battle experience to know when these openings are. If I get hit I know when I do it that it's a real possibility and that I'm choosing to take a risk - sometimes that risk is worth it but you're putting your hands into RNG for a favorable outcome in those cases. also find it extremely amusing that the small number of bosses I think have actually good design in line with previous games are the ones you almost exclusively focused on >.<
.... Isn't the complaints like bosses jumping around isn't that just like sekiro? What is the issue with mobile bosses?
The issue with mobile bosses is that I don't have teleportation abilities like in DMC to get to them immediately after they create distance. I hate running after bosses. It's not fun, it makes the fights longer than necessary, and it's plain annoying.
Sounds like a cool mechanic of devil may cry, haven't played before so I don't know. Sorry you don't like it. Like ya I have a hard time with Maliketh but fire giant is one of my favorite bosses. Fun is subjective and if you're not having fun that sucks, sorry dude. I hope you find something that is more fun. If I were to get into devil may cry where would you suggest starting?
@@TeethMeat-jm8ou DMC5 is the most accessible. DMC 4 has the deepest combat, and DMC3 has the coolest story, but 4 is too complex mechanically, and 3 is very old and somewhat clunky. Try 5, if you like it, then try the others.
@@doompenguin7453 would it mess up the story or nah?
@@TeethMeat-jm8ou The games were never in chronological order. The chronological order is 3 --> 1 --> 2 --> 4 --> 5. If you play 5 first, you won't recognise a good number of the references, but you can follow the story just fine.
will this work for handbrake?
Have to disagree on the delayed charges. I want to fight, not a pure pattern recognition. It's completely unnatural and only possible because of the poise mechanic. A sekiro boss always had to defend themself, they couldn't just take forever to load up and tank every hit on the way. Panic rolling can still be punished. Just don't make unnaturally lonh buildups. Or don't let the enemy run into my face for two seconds straight, they should hit directly or at least stop moving if they want to execute a feint. All possible without this bs counterintuitive unnatural stuff in elden ring.
The game is so unbalanced for a lot of bosses . For me it was the godskin duo . The game wont let me read their move set because they keep attacking me with different timing . I take the blasphemous sword and spam L2 for all the fight . Is it a fun and satisfying way to win not really but the game wont let me that much choice
Using one of the best builds in the game(even with the dlc expansion) and then complaining that the build destroys bosses and blaming that on the game for having bad design is so absurd. There is no proper way to play the game but using an overpowered build to represent the general experience isn’t a good foundation for a video. Certain options are going to be better than others and that shouldn’t take away from what weaker builds or different experiences have to offer
The video makes a point about how the boss design sucks even if your build is weaker for like 80% of the video
So basically, you choose to cheese Boss fights and then say its not enjoyable lol. Camera issues are the only legit Boss fight issues, everything else is your choice to make the boss fights boring.
They took the fun out of hard
If you really love bosses. Try monster hunter world it’s essentially a boss rush game.
Git gud, skill issue.
I honestly can understand why some people are not a fan of how the bosses are designed in this game. I personally enjoyed most of the boss fights with some exceptions like Melania, Godskin Duo, twin gargoyles, and red wolf. My main critique with the bosses are the delayed attacks. Having some attacks that are tricky to predict is fine but omg a boss holding their sword in the air for 5 seconds is just SO DUMB.
I miss when the Boss used a risky attack and was exposed to punishment, today the Boss uses 3 different hit kill attacks and is ready for another one
I actually agree 100% with this video, in the past whether it's Bloodborne or Dark Souls 3, the best From software games, and Bloodborne being my favorite, there was a sense of triumph and accomplishment, they reacted meaningfully to your attacks, and when they felt unrelenting it felt like you can still find the windows to get your hits in and form a strategy, the Bosses in Elden Ring with a few exceptions are very trashy, the hit boxes are all over the place, some are good and others get ridiculously bad, as someone who takes Bosses Head on, without summons or any help I got to say Elden Ring is so weak in this department like the thrill of telegraphing your enemy and the satisfaction of finally beating the Boss is kind of absent in this game like the tree guardians of the minor trees were better encounters than the main ones, it's so strange some bosses you beat them and the feeling you get is mixed you're like finally over but there's a sour taste, like confusion, it really comes across as douchy boss design, the delayed attacks especially, you get tired of it really fast. I just don't see the fun in sending a fucking shadow or ghost or whatever to distract the boss so you can go behind them and fuck them up so dishonorably.
What I hate is how the bosses have no ressources. So many of them don’t have any consequences for misplaying. If feels like getting as many hits as possible in between a wave of combos, instead of making them make a mistake/lose stamina or find a window to punish. I think bleed mitigates this, and it’s why I think it’s so fun. It rewards you for landing those small hits and turns them into a big hit.
Where do I find the "Arbalest" modification??
Sorry but all I gotta say is git good
Watching this video rn because a boss beat my ass for a day straight
What about a lot of copy and paste bosses?
@@praisetheSun990 That’s my big issue with the game. Sure, I can get better at the game and beat whatever boss I’m struggling with, but 9 times out of ten that boss is a reskin so I get no enjoyment from it. There’s no reason to fight 90% of the bosses in this game because they’re mostly all just repeats
I would also add that while bosses are jumping around like monkeys on crack, your camera only lets you see your ass while they do so. I did enjoy Malenia though, she Is extremely hard but she at least not 100ft tall and I love how she menacingly awaits your next move to respond with an ass beating. Other than that It feels like the game is designed in a way where player should find a cheese tactic against the boss rather than getting good at It
elden ring boss fight arent so good beayse theyre too hard when not using any cheese or overpowered build and when using them boss fight are too much a spam to win
People are scared to get good
1:36 it’s not inputting reading, it’s animation reading. It’s the same thing when bosses do stuff based on where you are. The other souls games do the same thing
It just feels inconsistent when the bosses aren't very aggressive, they just slowly walk around for awhile and then the instant you do anything, they all of a sudden wake up and punish you. It defies how you'd naturally expect them to react.
somehow the boss design is much worse in the dlc now. DLC final boss 2nd phase is everything wrong with the boss design crammed up in 1 boss
Bro the designs are cool though
i don't think the channel means the visual design, it's more about mechanical design as in how it's designed to fight. The visual of the bosses are all stellar
I don't like how elden ring bosses requires you to basically be a Jack of all trades in magic. Bosses practically expect you to be. Being raw physical based on str or str/dex is entirely useless. The bosses are a lot like pokemon in terms of weakness scaling and Less like something like elder scrolls or even some final fantasies. The magic or status effects now is a necessity to hurt these bosses. Parry and riposte is an ancient tool that requires skill is a skill that isnt admired by new players, and they don't realize how satisfying that stuff used to be from older games. After playing the dlc and even more Input reading and artificial difficulty with the scadutree fragments. The game kind of gets silly. Honestly. Elden Ring is a gateway to Dark Souls for Casual gamers. I'm getting my brother into demons souls and he's whining but he will get over it. I also think Sekiro kinda sucked imo being an invisible rhythm simulator but whatever.
this game was fun up until after I killed morgott now every boss literally feels the same, bosses just spam you constantly and aren't fun to fight at all. they feel like literally laziest attempts at bosses ive ever seen... the wind up attempts that you have to just fight and fight and fight until you remember the timing is just sAD
I need an easy mode for Touhou games. I'm sorry.
You've voiced out my thoughts about ER bosses. Thank you, you deserve a sub.
Elden Ring exploration is awesome but I'd rather fight DS1-3 Bosses in a Boss rush than a single ER Boss again (they're either annoyingly hard by having Bullshit combos with no openings or Ash of War Spam easy)
And for god's sake. Disable any kind of frame limiter or v-sync. I spent 5 years thinking I sucked at quick-switching.
Elden Ring is like playing Sekiro as a Dark Souls character 😂 Don't get me wrong, I do like Elden Ring. But the bossing isn't great. They were balanced around spirit ashes and Co-op. So you share the bosses agro between multiple friendlies. You can tell this because evergoals feel far more balanced compared to spirit summoning areas. (Atleast the ones that aren't to easy). Certain questlines are stupidly difficult to follow along. Lies of P has little icons showing you when you have something for an NPC. Elden Ring should have put icons next to sites of grace. This still allows the player to find the next place but giving them a rough idea of where it is. For example you here a wolf howling so you go back to the first merchant. But if you already bought his useful items then you have 0 reason to talk to him again. Or later blight is in a Evergoal. But nothing hints at this. You can tell most people looked at guides for this game with the achievement percentages. The hidden ending has just as many completions as the default ending. And souls veterans who played these games since Ds and DS1 are saying they looked at a guide cos they couldn't figure something out
actually super helpful I always thought, how do people quick switch with the numbers? I never thought about actually rebinding to have them all closer and more convenient, thanks sm! even if I am 3 years ahead!
I know a guy who has been quick switching with the default controls for years and if better than me. You can do it, but that doesn't mean you should.
he is an idiot if he thinks his going to ignore criticism bc that's stupid if ur wrong ppl will let you know he just wants to be right when his not he wants to complain about the game bc his bad at it I will say one thing his right at the bosses running away for u to chase them get a few hit then them running away agin is annoying but I don't think that's bad boss design u got to dodge there ranged attacks and get in close other then that everything else he is wrong about it's not bad boss design u just suck own up to it and beat the boss that simple don't come up on KZread to complain and bash the game if ur not ready for criticism that's stupid this video and all the comments are just here for ppl that are bad at the game to just crap on it bc they can't overcome the boss it's either this boss is to hard or annoying or bad design it's not my fault yall have ur own egos so far up ur own ass u can't come to terms with u being bad at a video game and improve yourself get better at it don't complain if ur bad just say so and move on don't come on KZread and complain bc u can't beat the boss and if u don't like the bosses and just want to explore sorry to tell u but that's not elden ring it's both u can't have one without the other it's not the Gane for u if u just want to explore and that's it that's not what kinda game it is get over yourself
I've beaten Dark Souls 2, 3, Sekiro and Elden Ring (I've even 100%d Dark Souls II), and I can say that bosses in this game are just bad. It pushes you to play in very specific ways, ways that aren't very fun. At the same time that it offers you plenty of ways to cheese bosses (summons, bleed), none of the mechanics are complex enough to deal with the bosses. The bosses just feel like they were made for a different game entirely.
Gibberish
Skill issue
Also the fact that most of the bosses spam one ability back to back often
Modern FROMSOFT boss design is gravely concerning…though I will say I did enjoy playing Armored Core 6 bosses more than Elden ring bosses
You act like moving bosses are unheard of in fromsoft games. But there are many bosses like smough, aldrich, wolnir, bed, four kings, ds Gwyndolin, and ml butterfly where running around the arena was literally required to beat them, yet it’s a problem that malekith has a ranged attack and needs space to use it? Also you act like malekith isn’t a final boss in the game who literally wields the concept of death but you want him to have 3 slash moves where he stands still so you can roll into him over and over until he dies like what?? If you want to fight a boss like that in Elden ring you know there’s bell berring hunters, misbegottens, crucible knights, and bloodhounds to do it against. Also your saying ripostes are bad when your literally using nothing to buff them. Maybe if you were not using a pure bleed build they would be doing more damage. Also parrying is good like have you seen the fast kill strat for Margit? Maybe fromsoft doesn’t want a fire lord Gwyn situation where people end up parrying their final boss over and over again instead of actually fighting him . Don’t use a ng+ build against early game bosses and say “this is broken” when your an overleveled minmaxer fighting a godskin noble. Maybe that’s why they made the bosses have more health BECAUSE ITS AN OPEN WORLD GAME that’s easy to break, like fromsoft added so many unique items for your enjoyment and you are surprised that 1 of them is too good? There’s been broken builds in every fromsoft game yet now it’s a problem?? Also complaining about summons like they haven’t made fromsoft games stupid easy in the past is laughable. In ds1 I used a summon once on gargoyles and beat them no hit first try like it’s not just an Elden ring problem. Also random long chained attacks aren’t a bad thing it makes bosses move sets more diverse and makes it a diffrent fight every time which bosses like abyss watchers, and soul of cinder don’t have as their movers are linear. The only thing I agree with you on is bosses punish you way to often for example Margit punishes you with his knife after you try to get damage in after a combo like that’s just bad design.
Preach! There wasn't a time playing ER and Erdtree without thinking that I could have just played DS3 or BB again... Erdtree took everything hateable in ER and tripled the awfulness level.
It's an open world game they had to make the bosses tankier to balance out the broken shit people would comeup with like you or me the bleedbuild you used shreds through them or my magic glasscanon build since it is an openworld game they HAD TO balance it out by giving them more health and making it so that you can't attack as often becoming ULTRA broken in fromsoftware games was never this easy
Spending countless minutes to run across boss arenas only for the Elden Beast/Astel/whomever to just teleport to the other side is, imo, one of the biggest blunders in the boss design in ER. All for spectacle. I played the fuck out of it on release and loved it, but the more I went down that rabbit hole the more glaring the design flaws became.
So bosses can’t have ranged attacks smh 🤦
Not sure if a comment that stupid deserves a response. So this is the best I can do. @Jono-wz3eu
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The real skill in ER is mastering the spreadsheet rather than anything mechanically challenging. It is the ultimate streamer game for endless amounts of shitty and low effort content.
Oh boy now people are saying the same thing and base game looks like a baby game compare to dlc😂😂
The game was designed to have you use every piece of your arsenal, jumping, rolling, aow and whatever you have in your arsenal. Many attacks you mentioned being unreactable are if you take the time to learn them except that godskin shit fuck that. On my first playthrough i played it like darksouls and felt the same way you did, you don't have the time like you did in ds3, you have to be proactive and make opportunities instead of waiting around for your turn. I strongly recommend you try again but test what you can do between enemy attacks. I wish you luck, the game is tough, but it is very fun when you dont become the bleed blender.
Nah git gud
No u.
Brainless fromsoft fan
Oh boy is the more relevant than ever.
I'm trying to help a friend progress through a game whenever we have the time, but it always feels like it's a chore to go through the game all over again because of everything you mentioned. That's not fun. A video game is supposed to help you break away from reality, not tick you off to the point you're about to commit a hate crime. I'm ranting at this rate. I'm a Soulsborne veteran, and I'm just about done with said Soulsborne games if this is how FromSoft is gonna treat their products. As soon as I'm done helping my friend out, I'm moving on.
Im done with this boss. Its ass. Its less that its hard and more that its annoying. Me getting hit is random chance. All rng in that fight. You have to sacrifice taking hits to get hits cause he just runs. Its bad no other way of wording it.
Its complete rng. Ive had runs where i didnt get touched. Ive also had runs 5 minutes in and weve done 0 damage and used every heal. Its his rolling. It turns rhe fight from an 8 to a 3
If I'm honest it just sounds like you guys don't really enjoy the game that much