Good video, I learned some things. Switching to AMD has been great for me. I never realized some of my minor desktop oddies were caused by me having an Nvidia GPU. I would like to upgrade but these prices are nutz.

Nice to see a non ideologically driven comparison.

Amazing video. All the use cases listed and their advantages between either GPUs was really useful

Always been using nvidia and really cant complain about the experience so its nice to hear some more detailed arguments on the question than open source drivers = superior choice

@danielharvison7510

2 жыл бұрын

I agree that the whole question needs a bit of detail and nuance. I guess the best reason to go with the "it's open source" argument is that if someone needs to fix something, they can dig right down into the driver source code and play with it, do what needs to be done, whereas closed source drivers don't provide that. Apart from that, I'm just glad if it works well and is actively maintained.

@iglobrothers645

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but wayland really gives me headache with nvidia

Great video which is exactly the information I wanted to know! The small reflection I do have is: how would screensharing work in discord for example? Could there be any issues there? I don't have alot of knowledge about encoders and streaming in general, therefore the question :P

For a while I had a lot of trouble with Linux when I had my 1070ti installed. Once I got a RX580, all the issues stopped happening. I know it's technically a downgrade, but all I play is Left 4 Dead 2 and TF2, I think it's more than enough for that haha

@vipvip-tf9rw

Жыл бұрын

580 is better i think, it has more ram, and more relevant

As much as I hate some NVIDIA policies, I've gotta be honest - their GPU's are just better. While I've fully switched from intel to AMD when it comes to CPU's, I'm still team green on the GPU side, even as a Linux user.

One thing I ran into when using my pc that is not gaming related is hardware decode. Chrominum and Firefox currently support VA-API hardware decode which Intel and AMD support but Nvidia does not support. Nvidia has VDPAU support and in order to use that you have to use a translation layer from VA-API to VDPAU. Not only that it doesn't have support for VP9 or AV1 codecs so I'm stuck with running h264ify extension to have my NVIDIA GPU hardware decode videos using Chromium when previously I could do it all with AMD :(

Such a wise words at the last seconds of the video

One nice point to add about NVIDIA GPUs is CUDA. If you need it, NVIDIA is a must.

So my first PC i built wasn't the best in specs, it had an intel CPU and NVIDIA GPU so that might be why, but no matter what, games stuttered, lagged and were unplayable, My second PC was a laptop, had a AMD CPU and a NVIDIA GPU, games where the same, lagged and were incredibly stutter. I just built my second PC with Ryzen and AMD GPU and any game I've played are buttery smooth like I've never seen them. Maybe I haven't tinkered enough but out of the box AMD is a no brainer for me on Linux.

I'm not sure if it's available already or coming soon. But I've read FFmpeg would integrate the new Vulkan video encoding extensions. So those might help in the future with all types of GPUs. Otherwise ray tracing is still in development on AMD's side of things. But it doesn't matter for most games anyway. I personally care much more about using Wayland on Linux which just works with Mesa. I can also tell you from a graphics developers perspective: Do not choose Nvidia honestly. Pick Intel or AMD or anything with Mesa support because those proprietary drivers will treat specifications of official APIs like OpenGL or Vulkan like garbage. You can literally not rely on proprietary drivers to debug your application because it's that messed up. I don't think that's something a user would notice but that needed to be said. I used Nvidia and AMD in the past. My experience developing with both were extremely different because of the open drivers you could get with AMD. But Intel could become an option as well.

@desertfroggo2502

Жыл бұрын

Raytracing is hot garbage. By the time most hardware is able to practically do raytracing, other GI techniques which look just as good and perform better will have advanced. Unreal Engine 5 deprecated raytracing because of their Lumen feature.

@TheJackiMonster

Жыл бұрын

@@desertfroggo2502 It's still a question whether Lumen actually performs better. From the tests I've seen so far it is extremely resource heavy, takes a lot of CPU usage into account and it does not scale particularly well. For example in tests with Lumen the resolution didn't have much impact at all. That means you can not simply solve performance issues with any upscaling technique as with ray tracing. Another aspect is that Lumen comes with the Unreal Engine. So it's a proprietary technique only Epic can improve. That's not something a developer or an artist likes when it comes to making very varying games. Despite that I agree that ray tracing won't be the only GI around. Also it is already known that most users won't even notice big differences between GI using ray tracing and other techniques which are less accurate. So at this point it will probably end up as a switch in the settings to improve reflections if anything.

I've switched back and forth between AMD/ATI and Nvidia over the years and I dual boot, but I've definitely had a better experience across all distros with Radeon cards. With Nvidia, some distros include the proprietary driver out of the box, some don't and on some it works like garbage when you install it. Nvidia also neglects to fix bugs on their Linux drivers for long stretches of time. When I had my 1080Ti, there were several times I had to do a bunch of tinkering to get a driver that worked well with various games and Wayland was a mess. I upgraded to a 6900XT last year and was able to install the latest Fedora with Wayland and everything worked perfect out of the box with zero effort. I've just never encountered any major issue with Radeon cards in Linux. To top it off, it performs like a 3090 with RT off at half the price. Luckily for video, I have plenty of cores for software encoding.

The f bomb on ffmpeg rant is something I could relate to and empathize with and I laughed out loud to.

@doompenguin7453

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, getting hardware encoding to work on AMD has been one of the most painful experiences imaginable. Good thing I managed to get AMF to work in OBS so I don't have to use my ffmpeg script anymore. Yeah, I know, AMF is proprietary, but it makes my life as a KZreadr/streamer 100x easier, so that's what I'll be using from now on since VAAPI is just terrible for what I do.

Good Video, well reasoned. I recently switched from Nvidia to AMD. Running Manjaro (probably true of any rolling distro) and it seemed everytime I faced any sort of an issue, it was due to the Nvidia driver blob. I do miss the nvenc, that was my biggest pause. And, I sort of wish I'd waited for the 7800xt (got a used 6900xt). The price was right though I would've liked the AV1 encoding which to me sounds like the best answer.

@doompenguin7453

9 ай бұрын

Just use obs gstreamer VAAPI. You also made the right choice since driver support for RDNA 3 is horrible at the moment( no power, fan, voltage or clock control). RDNA 2 are great GPUs with mature, full-featured drivers, so you're getting a great experience.

Your video has a malformed stream, at 0:36 something happens lol blocks the screen for a moment, it's in the stream of the video file you uploaded to youtube not a performance type of mine since when i got back from ten years into the future it plays flawlessly and my cpu and gpu are both Ok just finished watching and i've noticed you've messed with ffmpeg haha i understand your initial pain, by a quick look at your speed (1.16x) i think you are re-encoding the video and the audio together while using -c copy you can simply merge those two together in the new file without re-encoding at something like 50x speed independently of the hardware you have.

As a RX 6900XT owner on Ubuntu 20.04, I 100% agree with this video. Installing the amdgpu-pro driver on a fresh install of Ubuntu meant I couldn't launch OBS-studio. It would just crash... AMD seriously need to get a move on and improve their encoder, make AMF accessible without installing amdgpu-pro driver and enable H.265/HEVC encoding with AMF on Linux. AMF H.264 encoding completely sucks, even at moderate bit rates and is completely unusable for streaming (in my opinion). Great video dude :)

@doompenguin7453

2 жыл бұрын

H265 encoding for streaming will not happen any time soon due to licensing right issues. H.264 AMF looks decent enough to me, half the clips in this video are recorded using it and they look pretty good. That said, nvenc still offers better quality and is overall superior.

@rhizatv

2 жыл бұрын

@@doompenguin7453 Yeah I wasn't thinking about H265 for streaming but just recording in general. I just wish AMF was better, that's all.

Lowkey thinking of pairing my rtx 3060ti with a ryzen apu just so i can have a smoother desktop experience while getting the most out of games. Is that a good idea?

@doompenguin7453

2 жыл бұрын

The nvidia desktop experience is smooth enough already under X. Honestly, it seems rather pointless to use an APU. Just get the best CPU you can get and use the Nvidia card for everything.

hi everyone! suggestion for GPU (Linux (Debian-based) user). I'm not a gamer mostly cad works. my current set is B450, ryzen 5 2400ge 16GB 3200 something reasonably priced

After 2 years do you have the same considerations or something has changed?

@doompenguin7453

5 ай бұрын

Pretty much the same. If whatever GPU does what I want it to for a lower price is the one I go for.

what game is in 5:53 ??

The problem with OBS and VAAPI is you need to put the same FPS on Output match with your Display Refresh Rate for example if I record my Game, and my Display is 144Hz I need to Record at 144Fps with VAAPI thats the problem, i dont need the solution like you with the scripts. just try that ( match FPS with Hz )

Question, what far cry game is at 4:27 it looks like a older far cry 4 is it perhaps 3?

@doompenguin7453

2 жыл бұрын

FC3.

@Kaotix19

2 жыл бұрын

@@doompenguin7453 Thanks So Much!!

Wait from what I understand, RX 6000 series and RTX 3000 both support HDMI 2.1. Or is it a case where it doesnt work on Linux for AMD? As for the last point - if people are on Linux for ideological reasons, it would be a break in their own coherency if they treat both companies + linux equally. So I 100% understand the reasoning for people being kinda anti-NV on Linux.

@doompenguin7453

2 жыл бұрын

AMD GPUs don't have HDMI 2.1 support on Linux because the drivers are open source and the HDMI forum refuse to make the specification for HDMI 2.1 public. Basically, AMD GPUs support it on the hardware level, but not on the driver level. As for why people are anti-Nvidia, it in some cases ideological, yes, but in most cases people just spread the idea that Nvidia drivers break all the time, which is simply not true, I used an Nvidia GPU on Linux for 2 years and had 0 issues. As long as you stay on X11 and don't try to switch to Wayland, the Nvidia drivers are very stable and functional, probably more stable than on Windows. The only thing I don't like about Nvidia on Linux is that they lock the voltage control, which makes overclocking more of a pain than on Windows.

@CharcharoExplorer

2 жыл бұрын

@@doompenguin7453 Fair. And F the HDMI forum then lol. And fair on the other thing. I just believe people in the hardware/software space are too jaded to admit that ideological reasoning is ... honestly perfectly valid.

@globalmedicinalmarijuana5757

2 жыл бұрын

​@@doompenguin7453​This is categorically untrue. AMD has had HDMI 2.1 support since January (kernel 5.13). Drivers being Open Source do not change that.

@doompenguin7453

2 жыл бұрын

@@globalmedicinalmarijuana5757 You can plug a monitor with HDMI 2.1, but it will not have FreeSync, and it will only support 420 chroma SS at 4K 120Hz, so no, there is no full HDMI 2.1 driver support on Linux for AMD GPUs.

@tbabula

Жыл бұрын

@@doompenguin7453 I remember running Garuda which by default uses X11 and can auto install NV proprietary drivers. All games run well for me except for Forza Horizon 5 which would just crash under nvidia but work fine under AMD open source drivers.

HDMI 2.1, not supported on AMD? I've been gaming at 4K 120FPS with HDR and VRR on my TV periodically, only issue there is that I can't use surround sound since my receiver is limited to 4K 60FPS. Not sure if you're referencing something else or not. I also haven't had any issues multistreaming 1440p 60FPS gameplay while playing at 1440p 170FPS, but I do that off my 5900X, I believe. All the talk of encoders seems a bit silly when CPUs are so wildly overpowered these days. I will say that I don't regret my 6800 XT purchase one bit, even at scalper prices($1,400), and it usually outperforms the 3080 at my performance targets and in the games I play. Was a huge upgrade from my 1080 Ti.

@doompenguin7453

2 жыл бұрын

On Linux there is no HDMI 2.1 or HDR support yet.

I remember AMD lied to us back to HD 4000 series about their HW video encoder, I was disparately needed it with my Phenom II x3 710, I don't know but I think they lied about that subject for ten years or so before even attempt to offer to us real HW encoder software, Their GPU hardware power were freaking badass in term of raw compute power since HD 3000 generation, but they made fkg zero effort to make any single software supporting it, these stuff what's made AMD lost it loyal costumers in most critical era of the company

Can anyone recommend me a nvidia rtx gpu ? I'm on Debian

Thanks! I don’t play games so I’ll go with AMD

Forgot to mention that if you want go go the nvidia route and have more than 1 monitor, but not all your monitors have FreeSync/Gsync than you can kiss goodbye any king of VRR. Dosen't matter if it's Wayland or Xorg.

I'm currently using GTX 1080 Ti, and it has some issues in some games that does not exist for 20 and 30 series cards

@doompenguin7453

2 жыл бұрын

Are they DX12 games? The 10 series cards had some architectural limitation that made them run VKD3D very badly.

@TheEnde124

2 жыл бұрын

@@doompenguin7453 ah yes, specifically FH5, didn't consider it was because of that

what are youre thoughts on amd being open-source. and nvidia being . . . well bot

Me, a computer hardware pleb: ooooh pretty DOOM Eternal gameplay

I thing the recording issues with AMD on OBS is not AMDs fault but OBSs. Never liked OBS and i always have some sort of problem even with nvidia from time to time

@doompenguin7453

2 жыл бұрын

You don't like OBS? There literally isn't anything anywhere near as good as it when it comes to streaming, and it's the standard for a reason. Sure, you can use ffmpeg from the terminal to stream, but doing that is just a massive pain compared to just setting up some keybinds in obs and calling it a day.

@gordonfreimann

2 жыл бұрын

@@doompenguin7453 well I said i didnt like it not as if I could use anything else :)

Yes: pick the right tool for the right job.

"AMD doesn't support HDMI 2.1" - does this mean that at the time of this video there weren't any AMD cards with HDMI 2.1, or is it something more sinister? Thinking to get an 6800XT and it clearly says it has HDMI 2.1

@doompenguin7453

Жыл бұрын

It's driver thing on Linux, not a physical hardware issue.

@intermarer9145

Жыл бұрын

@@doompenguin7453 Sigh, after a bit of googling it looks like I'll have to stick with Nvidia 😞

Def isn't the case when it comes to the 3090 and 3090ti lol

Pick the right tool for right job would imply sticking to widows if you are heavily focused on streaming and recording bc on windows amd drivers work very well for that. And in these times you can't always get the gpu you'd like

@doompenguin7453

2 жыл бұрын

I have the proprietary AMF encoder which people use on Windows to work just fine with OBS on Linux, you aren't very limited when it comes to streaming on Linux, especially if you use Nvidia.

@riba2233

2 жыл бұрын

@@doompenguin7453 ok that is good to hear, I am glad that there is a progress there. It is always good to havr alternatives, but it would also be very nice if amd had the same feature in its linux drivers

@doompenguin7453

2 жыл бұрын

@@riba2233 The only thing they don't have is the nice GUI Radeon centre or whatever it's called, but the open source AMD drivers are a lot nicer than the proprietary Windows ones since they are more stable and have a faster shader compiler. You can get the proprietary features like the proprietary Vulkan driver and the AMF encoder by just installing these specific parts of the proprietary driver stack. For example, I run OBS with the proprietary Vulkan drivers so that I have AMF support, but I use the open source RADV Vulkan driver to run the games I'm streaming/recording because it gives me better performance in most cases. It's a nice setup, it just requires some work.

@riba2233

2 жыл бұрын

@@doompenguin7453 do they have relive features from win drivers, like recording and streaming directly from them (without obs), instant replay, performance overlay and tuning?

@doompenguin7453

2 жыл бұрын

@@riba2233 Recording and streaming directly from the drivers is not a thing. Performance tuning like under/overvolting, power targets, overclocking, fan curves, etc. all work, but since there is no GUI, you have to do it by editing some text files. Thre is a GUI app which allows you to edit these things in a nice GUI interface that resembles what you have on Windows, but I don't use it since I'm so used to editing stuff in the command line.

I'm interested to know why you switched to AMD 6 months ago this is the missing part in the video for me I will be interested to know because I am about to buy a card I care about the opinion of someone who has seen both worlds before I make a big mistake I am on arch linux no dual-booting just linux full time Edit : my next cpu willl be AMD that's out of question.

@Fedreal_Bureau_Of_Investigaton

2 жыл бұрын

what's the edit reasoning?

@Torpedo07

2 жыл бұрын

@@Fedreal_Bureau_Of_Investigaton it's my next cpu willl be AMD that's out of question !!

@Processador_DE_BaixaQualidade

Жыл бұрын

@@Torpedo07 what GPU did you bought?

5:58 blame the idiots at hdmi forum for this, they really are trying to make displayport kill their outdated shitty video port

I think the thing about die hard Linux users is we care about the philosophy. Nvidia have been pretty hostile towards Linux and the free and open source movement (although they are getting a little better). That's why people will settle for an AMD card and deal with the tinkering, because tinkering is already their pass time. Nvidia's proprietary drivers are convenient, especially for Linux newbies or general gamers who are looking for a simple setup when migrating from Windows. They just aren't open source and so can't be added to the Linux kernel.

@JahidulIslam

Жыл бұрын

It is also convenient for experienced users, because nvidia does work most of the time in Linux. I just install the closed driver and cuda stuff and things just work. Nvidia still works to do for proper wayland support though. I didn't have to anything extra ordinary thing to use nvenc with OBS Studio, Shotcut or Davinci Resolve under Linux. AMD is also a shit show in Blender in Linux.

What about crashes?

@doompenguin7453

2 жыл бұрын

Never had crashes with Nvidia or AMD.

@JahidulIslam

2 жыл бұрын

I have been using 1660 super since 2019. Didn't experience a single crash during this time. I started with 450 driver and Fedora workstation 31. Now I am using 470 driver and Fedora workstation 34. Same installation. I am also testing Fedora Silverblue 35 on a separate SSD. I might switch to Silverblue from workstation.

I switched to AMD for Gaming on Linux Why? Because some of the games just used to crash with proton on my 2060 Super (like Forza Horizon 4 or FIFA 22) until i configured the heck out of these games to get them to work okayish. Then I got my hands on some old intel hades canyon nuc with the amd vega m graphic chip and those games just worked. No crashes, they just ran. I dont care about streaming or recording my games, so i dont care much about the nvenc encoder. I also never played any games with raytracing on my 2060 Super anyways so I didnt care about that either. I just cared about a stable easy way to game on linux and AMD provided that. So I sold my 2060 super and got a rx 6600 for it instead and I couldnt be happier. So yeah I wouldnt go just blindly tell everyone to get amd for linux but if you dont really need the nvidia features and want the best possible gameplay with proton, Id always go for amd again. Proper open source drivers (whilst Nvidia isnt giving a single f*ck about Linux, Linus Torvalds really has a point there) is just the icing on that cake.

I cringe every time I see people on reddit say that VA-API is comparable to NVENC. Even QSV on a 10 year old CPU is superior to VA-API. I genuinely can't use OBS with my current RX570 (even on windows it performs poorly), never had any problem with my 1050 ti using NVENC.

@mparagames

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, can relate to that. Using quick sync on my i7 2600 gave me MUCH better results than VAAPI withh my RX550. Both gave me blurry video, but at least the QSV's results were... "ok." VAAPI's wass horrible, then i tried AMF with AMDGPU PRO, but it gave me encoder overload. Meanwhile, AMF on windows wasn't exactlly good either, but at least it was "ok", in a similar way to QSV. In the end i ended up sticking witn x264 lol

Wait till this guy learns about the RX6500 XT!

AMD GPUs are wayy cheaper

@doompenguin7453

Жыл бұрын

Depends on where you buy from.

@myles124

Жыл бұрын

@@doompenguin7453 So anywhere?

This is so dump no offense. But if you want raytracing or any envidia marking extras you you should stay in windows. Linux is not for everyone and that's ok if you want to be in Linux at this moment get AMD. Envidia has promised better support for Linux. If you want envidia stay on window and wait for envidia to better support Linux. Don't listen to KZreadrs they are bias bc envidia has better support for steaming and also the are marketing puppets.

@doompenguin7453

2 жыл бұрын

Well, I got AMD because I wanted more VRAM and do no care about Ray Tracing, but I did not expect not having Nvenc being such a pain. I used an Nvidia GPU on Linux for 2 years without a single issue other than some screen tearing which was easy to fix. When it comes to ray tracing and DLSS, they are features which Nvidia has and some people really like, so I think it's completely fair to mention them since AMD GPUs have similar MSRPs to Nvidia ones while being less feature rich. The fact that Nvidia GPUs support every single technology AMD GPUs do while the opposite is not a case is a completely valid point to think about when deciding which brand to choose. Nvidia works just fine on Linux. It's inconvenient that they don't have open source drivers, yes, but Nvidia GPUs get the job done and that's all that matters to the average consumer, be they a Linux or Windows user.

@luifernandi

2 жыл бұрын

@@doompenguin7453 like I said Linux is not for everyone. Jus like windows or apple are not and that's ok. You telling ppl to get hardware that doesn't support Linux is misguiding. (And yes they have said they are working on better support)

@doompenguin7453

2 жыл бұрын

@@luifernandi I'm telling people to get hardware that works for them. What do you mean by "hardware that doesn't support Linux"?. I've been using Nvidia for 2 years on Linux and had a pretty good experience, probably a better experience than that I had on Windows, so I don't understand where the whole "Nvidia has no Linux support" comes from. Do you just hate that the driver is proprietary or that Wayland support is rubbish on Nvidia? Is that it? Also, if you actually watch the entire video, you will hear me list all the good and bad things about each of the 2 options and at the end I say "pick the right tool for the right job", so I'm not really telling people to go buy Nvidia and ignore AMD completely, I am saying that AMD is not the best choice for every single use case.

@riba2233

2 жыл бұрын

Amd gpus do have ray tracing, and cost less in real world, msrp doesn't mean anything today

@doompenguin7453

2 жыл бұрын

@@riba2233 They do have RT on the hardware level, but the Linux drivers just don't let you use it in most games and even when they do performance is worse than Nvidia, those are just facts.