you have established a similar set-up to my own layout. In my case I am using Trix fibre based 3-rail track which allows Dublo, Triang, Farish , Wrenn and Trix all to be run depending on which rolling stock is available.
@thedublorailway38036 күн бұрын
I have a Trix Britannia with the big flanges and it struggles on an of my track. I should have put down some suitable track somewhere but right now there is not room.
@monsvillerailways57367 күн бұрын
Nice session. A great way of adding lots of flexibility to your layout. The Tri-ang Hornby model is R.850 which first appeared in 1968 catalogue. It's should have a glowing fire box. Mine does. The X.04 motor runs great if maintained. The Plastic thing... Hmm. Interesting reference for a bit of a classic. Will be interesting to see a newer Hornby loco with the its flimsy Chinese motor running on your layout. New loco with an old controller? Should be entertaining. 👍
@thedublorailway38036 күн бұрын
I got my first R. 850 in 1968 as a Christmas present and it was always an appalling runner. The one you saw which does indeed have a glowing fire box has been a pleasant surprise. I am in the market for one more but in very good condition. You will have noticed that the one running is a bit battered and worn. I am not a huge fan of this Triang Hornby era but I have always loved this example and preferred it in BR livery. I'll be sure to get some footage of the new A4 running. So far all new Hornby models have taken to the track and the H&M equipment quite happily.
@dennisbundy304223 күн бұрын
I seem to remember reading somewhere that their top speed was supposed to be 40mph only, officially !
@thedublorailway380320 күн бұрын
Certainly all mine which are early versions do not run very quickly. This seems to be a function of the gearing and may have been to mirror reality or just a happy accident. I need to get my hands on a ring field motored version before I pass final judgement. For a bit of fun I occasionally have them haul passenger trains. The other thing I notice is their dislike of standard radius curves.
@monsvillerailways5736Ай бұрын
Very nice. Great to see the old girls stretching their legs. Yeah. Totally agree that the Dublo and early Tri-ang locos really need to be warmed up and kept running to keep their motors warm for best results. Happy Modelling.
@thedublorailway3803Ай бұрын
Yes you can't turn your back on them. It's really just age and wear. Hardly used Wrenn engines with the same mechanism are just fine.
@forrestrobin27122 ай бұрын
I must admit I too prefer the early version. I have two - a "lug" example identical to yours, and a second one which was in very poor external condition which I stripped and repainted in experimental 1946 LMS blue as 6234 Duchess of Atholl. Like yours, after a thorough stripdown and service they both run beautifully, very smooth and powerful.
@thedublorailway38032 ай бұрын
I think it is well overdue for both the green Duchesses. The matt one I bought at a model railway exhibition about 10 years ago and put it straight onto the tracks. The shiny one has been around for ever so it is high time for both to be overhauled and to be given new magnets.
@l1a1462 ай бұрын
Good morning. Another great comparison video. I believe the Duchess of Atholl was originally intended for release earlier, however Ww2 put a stop to that when the Meccano factory went onto war production. So eventually had its release in 1948, initially with Horseshoe magnet and then quite quickly with the block magnet. I tend to agree that my Atholl's always seem to run a little better than the Montrose's. Despite much fettling, magnet changes or remags etc. I do like the custom painted blue one. Thanks for the video.
@thedublorailway38032 ай бұрын
I really do not know what it is because there is no real difference mechanically. Do I just tend to buy Montroses that have been thrashed. My Atholls are all in good shape. I suppose the only answer is to just keep buying and see what the results are. I am getting new magnets for the Atholls. Fingers crossed.
@nickdoughty5182 ай бұрын
I believe that lithium grease should be used on the bevel gears connecting the armature with the worm gears shaft.
@thedublorailway38032 ай бұрын
Thank you. I will get hold of some.
@sanspareil30182 ай бұрын
Just for info the gears can be changed on the Dublo shunter. I have an example in original condition and one where I have fitted lower gears (from Romford) I personally like the original gearing for heavy work although the re geared one does run nicely. For info new front steps can be obtained from Shapeways (3 D printed) They are nice little locos ahead of their time when the model was produced.
@thedublorailway38032 ай бұрын
Thanks. I have a guy who does 3D printing for me but before I get to there I'm thinking of fitting a couple of Wrenn bodies once my worst examples expire. Who knows they may outlast me. I am tempted to fit the lower gears you mention to at least one of the units. Right now I'm inching towards an acceptable Class 13 on an old Tri-ang chassis and some bodies printed by my friend. I really like these busy little things.
@bertiewooster33262 ай бұрын
Great layout.
@thedublorailway38032 ай бұрын
Thanks. Not finished but then will it ever be?
@l1a1462 ай бұрын
Excellent little haul of goodies there. A 3 rail West Country is high on my list of must gets and dont those southern green coaches always add a nice bit of variation. That 4mt looks in wonderful condition.
@thedublorailway38032 ай бұрын
All of the new stuff came from New Zealand and I think that the 4MT cost less than NZD100. Some more arriving in the next week or so. The 3 rail West County locos are getting pricey. My one has two 2 rail stable mates but a 2 rail body.
@l1a1462 ай бұрын
@@thedublorailway3803 Yes the 3 rail Dorchester West Countries are certainly getting up there. I think I may well look at a two rail and convert it. The two rail versions seem to go for substantially less.
@forrestrobin27122 ай бұрын
I know what you mean about😂forming up trains that will stay coupled together! I’ve found the same with coaches, which I generally leave in fixed rakes of four or five vehicles. My rakes of goods wagons are also a mix of 2 and 3 rail. But I’ve found that coaches with nylon wheels tend to produce a lot of drag, last month I was briefly back in blighty and was lucky enough to pick up 3 tinplate WR coaches. Only one of them had metal wheels, but the other 2 had nylon wheels (I think from new). Even after cleaning and light lubrication they were not at all free running, and I ended up swapping out the wheels for 3-rail ones. Have you had similar experience with 2-rail Hornby Dublo coaching stock? Also I’m not a big fan of the later nylon couplings. When properly adjusted I find the metal versions far more reliable.
@thedublorailway38032 ай бұрын
I'm a big fan of metal. Nylon can warp and as for the wheels, yes they drag. Distorted metal couplings are so easily fixed.
@jamespark33703 ай бұрын
That 4NT looks great, I think I might need to get one.
@thedublorailway38032 ай бұрын
I certainly feel like I need to buy (another) one.
@l1a1462 ай бұрын
You wont be able to stop at 1 😂 They are the most used locos on my layout. They just run wonderfully with a little tlc.
@forrestrobin27123 ай бұрын
Excellent ! Hello to Victoria, of which I have fond memories after working on the tenders for the Yarra trams and train contracts in Melbourne back in 2008/9. Here in the Ardèche it’s a lovely sunny April morning at about 14°C at 0830.
@thedublorailway38032 ай бұрын
We've been having relatively cool summers for here but there was a hot spell near the end. The dry heat is great for cleaning and running. Humidity is a real killer for performance. I'll be on a Yarra tram tomorrow afternoon from Camberwell heading back into Melbourne
@forrestrobin27122 ай бұрын
@@thedublorailway3803I remember Camberwell, Türe was an antiques or collectives Shop a few minutes walk from the station where I bought a beautiful boxed Export City of London for a very reasonable price and re exported it back to Europe 😂 Very fond memories of Melbourne and all my friends at Puffing Billy. If only we had won that train contract !
@l1a1463 ай бұрын
Interesting idea. And definately something differant for the layout. Looking forward to seeing progress on that. I do have a couple of 2 rail dublo locos that have been converted to 3 rail with spare pickup shoes. A cheap and cheerful way to make the insulated wheels into uninsulated is to clean the ends of the axles and wheel hubs and use some of that paint on repair for rear windscreen demisters to pass the current. Once dry a little black paint over the top and youd never know it was there. It also has the advantage of being easily removed should you wish to revert it back to two rail operation.
@thedublorailway38033 ай бұрын
Thank you. This did occur to me and I did cast around for conductive paint but never thought of demister repair paint. I must also confess that once I hit on the Class 13 idea everything else was forgotten, however this will be the way in the future.
@forrestrobin27123 ай бұрын
Very interesting. I like the idea of keeping the 2-rail Pickups and fitting plungers in the tender. My idea is to go one step further with my Dublo 2-rail 8F. I’d like to rig up a switch to enable me to switch between 2 and 3 rail running at will. I’d be most interested to have your thoughts on that… My problem seems to be finding the plungers…
@thedublorailway38033 ай бұрын
I got lucky with plungers and hit upon a package of used spares, enough to do a few locomotives. I have never considered a switch but it is an excellent idea.
@lancecornea3 ай бұрын
I recently replaced the ringfield magnet in my 3 rail Co-Bo with a new magnet from Peters Spares, UK. Now when the loco passes any siding containing tinplate rolling stock, the magnetic attraction from the Co-Bo body drags the rolling stock off the siding. Is there any way to shield that magnetic force from inside the Co-Bo body?
@thedublorailway38033 ай бұрын
I have the same problem with one of my Co-Bo's. I don't have a solution. I just decided to live with it. Brass, copper and aluminium all act as shields but there is not enough room inside the body to accommodate a reasonable shield in my experience.
@lancecornea3 ай бұрын
Thanks Sean. My solution is to park the tinplate rolling stock on a more distant siding from the main lines!@@thedublorailway3803
@monsvillerailways57363 ай бұрын
Interesting video. I've just purchased the 80033, 2 rail model so this is of particular interest. 👍
@thedublorailway38033 ай бұрын
I have learned a lot about 4MT's from other people since I published this video. I need to get my hands on an example of 80033 and have a really good look at it.
@dublodave78603 ай бұрын
The 80054 and the 80033 (and 80059) have different body castings, the give-away is the chimney, much finer on the 2-rail and later 3-rail models and this mold was subsequently used by Wrenn. There is also an 80000. This was a (very) limited edition made/issued by the Halcyon Recollection Company in the late 1990's and was a fully refurbished and re-liveried 80054 but issued with a certificate and special full colour picture box. It was available in both 2 & 3 rail but only 7 x 3-rail models and 8 x 2-rail models were made.
@thedublorailway38033 ай бұрын
How interesting, something just got added to the shopping list.
@premikyam27263 ай бұрын
Hi. The Wrenn version of the 2.6.4T had the magnetix flux shunt removed and the access hole in the body casting was blanked out.
@thedublorailway38033 ай бұрын
Thanks, now of course I need to buy one to have a closer look. Any excuse will do.
@l1a1463 ай бұрын
Great video. I was one of those intrigued by your repaints previously. So thanks for the update. I love these 4mts. They are probably the best and quietest dublo runners. With a more user friendly top bearing adjustment. I have a couple of mint ones that remain untouched. But I have others that Ive repaired and found various other bodies from two rail versions for a bit of variety of number and emblems. Also these were one of the locos that werent modified by Wrenn so those bodies fit straight on and I have a few of those too, the bodies occasionally turn up. The shunt adjuster doesnt really work with modern controllers, so i tend to whip them out. Other locos come on and off the layout. But these 4mt's are always on it. I love those repaints.
@l1a1463 ай бұрын
Ps. Wrenn discarded the shunt feature. But the early versions kept the access hole. Later versions had them filled in. Also even though many of the Wrenn liveries arent exactly prototypical they add a nice variation to the fleet. I guess in this day and age, if you wanted a prototypically correct layout, you wouldnt run dublo or wrenn anyway. But they are wonderful things and a great deal of fun, which to me is the main thing.
@thedublorailway38033 ай бұрын
Thanks for all the information. I've just picked up another 4MT, in good order this time. I use H&M controllers so they probably count as modern compared to the old Dublo boxes so I've never played with the screws in the back. It would be interesting to see one being used and adjusted with an original transformer.
@l1a1463 ай бұрын
@@thedublorailway3803 I use a morley controller on the main layout. In addition to a H & M. To be honest I think the H & M works a little better with these old girls. And it already has the option of slow speed operation by switching to half wave. I do have an original Dublo controller that has been tested by an electrician, but I wouldnt use one without it being checked. They arent a bad controller for their day. But the H & M is light years ahead.
@bertiewooster33264 ай бұрын
Excellent.
@thedublorailway38034 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching, getting ready to record part two.
@patrickquinn59624 ай бұрын
Love your running session on the 20s and and the overview cheers
@thedublorailway38034 ай бұрын
Pleased you enjoyed it.
@premikyam27264 ай бұрын
Hi, to let you know the Dublo EMU used a ringfield motor driving just the one axle. Wrenn used a similiar design to Dublo, somewhat modified. Let me know if photos of the mechanisms would be of interest. I was in australia and new zealand at christmas, probably back again in early 2025.
@thedublorailway38034 ай бұрын
Thanks, I've never handled one. I should have looked at the schematics. I bought an SD green suburban the other day so it would be great to get an EMU to wrap around it. The layout is in Victoria and visitor are welcome.
@jamespark33705 ай бұрын
No better way to get tinnitus
@thedublorailway38035 ай бұрын
Maybe at the next running session we ought to measure the decibels.
@updistant5 ай бұрын
Mercifully good watch.😊
@thedublorailway38035 ай бұрын
Thanks. The trains made enough noise without my help. Sometime silence is the best policy.
@njlauren5 ай бұрын
Is that three rail OO? I didnt think anyone but three tail O used that.
@thedublorailway38035 ай бұрын
Entirely three rail, with the capacity to run two rail or three rail on one circuit. OO used to be pretty much all three rail. This system went out of production in the early 1960's but had its origins in the 1930's.
@njlauren5 ай бұрын
@@thedublorailway3803 Interesting, I guess they did the center power feed for the same reason Lionel did, made reversing loops easier ( now why Lionel used AC is another story). So I guess with this the middle and one of the outer rails was positive and the other outer rail was negative? Could the three rail run on 2 rail via a selector switch, or were they wired only for 3 rail? Just curious, MTH produced 3 rail O engines that could run on 2 rail O as well.
@bertiewooster33264 ай бұрын
Great layout 3 rail is cracking!
@MrSnooze5 ай бұрын
Excellent vintage running, very enjoyable. All the best to you
@thedublorailway38035 ай бұрын
Very pleased that you enjoyed it. The feedback has been very encouraging.
@randlerobbertson87925 ай бұрын
What a great vintage model railway.
@thedublorailway38035 ай бұрын
Thanks. The amusing thing is that by definition the operator is vintage as well.
@l1a1465 ай бұрын
Im glad someone asked about the repaints. I especially like that 4mt, as they are my favourite 3 rail loco and would love to do some in custom livery as a break from all the black ones. 😂 I do have 1 or 2 with wrenn bodies. Id love to see a video on the custom liveried ones you have.
@thedublorailway38035 ай бұрын
The feedback on the 4MT has prompted me to make a video on it and its companions. There is one on BR green done by the same fellow who did the blue one. He also repainted a beaten up Duchess of Monstrose in blue. Unfortunately I've lost touch with him. The video should be out in the next month or so. I've often looked at Wrenn bodies and I imagine that is where I will go next when I have a spare chassis LMS crimson would be a natural choice given the origins of the design. I have a beaten up 4MT sitting on my workbench right now and I'm wondering about maker's grey.
@bramelsheretan5 ай бұрын
great video, thank you
@thedublorailway38035 ай бұрын
Thanks. It is great fun making them.
@NextEevolution5 ай бұрын
Great running session! I have so many questions too! Are the liveries on that BR Black Castle and BR Blue Standard 4 your custom work? They look spectacular!
@thedublorailway38035 ай бұрын
They were done for me by a guy in Melbourne who has subsequently dropped from sight. They were both in very poor condition so no great loss if painted. I often buy with that in mind. The blue Class 20 I bought as is. There is a BR green 4MT floating around as well. I should make a video on them.
@NextEevolution5 ай бұрын
@@thedublorailway3803 I have an old City Class boiler that is very much well worn but a spectacular candidate for repainting. I plan on doing my own project on it in the future.
@barryjgalbraith26355 ай бұрын
Interesting video. Thanks
@thedublorailway38035 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@angelamurtagh12216 ай бұрын
Why
@thedublorailway38036 ай бұрын
To be equally direct. Why not?. Sick of seeing it all going in one direction.
@angelamurtagh12216 ай бұрын
Because it's old school, doesn't look realistic enough, and the buildings look derelict, but each to their own
@jamespark33706 ай бұрын
Some good trains there. Glad to see my favourite bridger featured.
@thedublorailway38036 ай бұрын
We need to make a video on Class 20 locos.
@robinforrest76806 ай бұрын
What a coincidence ! I just built some three rail track myself yesterday using a couple of lengths of old Peco Streamline code 100. I used an identical method to yours, great minds think alike eh? 😂 I wanted a new carriage siding and have no Dublo straight track left. It was easy to do and means I can wait until I get to the UK next and obtain some more Dublo. Have you tried « three railing » points by any chance?
@thedublorailway38036 ай бұрын
I have three railed two HD two rail points. Not a great success and the subject of a video one day. Maybe I will again try with Peco or Hornby. I have some Wrenn three rail points but they are really rough objects even in unused condition.
@user-fw3lk1hs3q7 ай бұрын
You need to clean the contact rings under the bridge, and tention the contact springs. Your motor needs oil, on the armature bearings in particular. The reason why the bridge is not powered is, that you're feeding in on the wrong track. It's a (roundhouse) siding that would get power when the bridge is aligned with it. You can see which stubs connect to the bridge tracing the wires underneath the turntable. There is a way to wire up the solenoid to a capacitor for much better operation. kzread.info/dash/bejne/pGxqtJuFYs3NYpc.html&pp=gAQBiAQB
@The3rdRail7 ай бұрын
I have a video on my channel about working principles and servicing of the turntable if you need to look into it again at some point in the future. Happy railroading.
@thedublorailway38037 ай бұрын
Thanks. A couple of us have watched your video on the turntable and a few others. It's great to see some other three rail content.
@barryjgalbraith26357 ай бұрын
Very interesting video. Thanks for all your hard work.
@thedublorailway38037 ай бұрын
Pleased you are enjoying it. It doesn't feel like hard work believe me.
@premikyam27267 ай бұрын
fascinating footage. by coincidence i bought a maerklin turntable at the Glen Waverley scout hall swapmeet in 2004.
@thedublorailway38037 ай бұрын
This turntable was bought about then too and originally restored to working order by a fellow in Ashburton. Not a 1000 miles from Glen Waverley. I can't remember what I bought it for but it was expensive.
@premikyam27269 ай бұрын
interesting projects on the go.
@thedublorailway38039 ай бұрын
Yes. I hope it interests others. The ratio of work is about 40% repair and 60% 'Let's try something new". The big push has been to get the turntable back into working order. That will be the next video.
@MrAllan049 ай бұрын
Smashing video. I´m just starting on this conversion route to 3 rail and have done mostly Lima. Might you tell me what Skates these are. I haven´t any this small. Many thanks and look forward to the next video. David
@thedublorailway38039 ай бұрын
Thanks. Marklin pickups as you could see under the Lima 08 if my camera work were any good., but getting expensive now. I have some on order. The guy who did the 3D print of the 13 is looking into making some.
@MrAllan049 ай бұрын
Many thanks. 7164 and 7185 are the Marklin Skates I use but they seem bigger that yours. Might you know the number. I did wonder if they were carriage skates. Thanks again. I live in Spain but my supplier is in Italy.
@Gilstrains10 ай бұрын
👍🚂🚞🚞🚞🚞
@thedublorailway380310 ай бұрын
Pleased you enjoyed it.
@davidcann432910 ай бұрын
Lovely items, the catalogue numbers were 4054 for the Open and 4055 for the Brake. They really do go well as a rake with Pullman carriages and the Utility Van as someone else says, but you could use the SD Green Horsebox too and mix with the BR Maroon carriages too. I'm sure I've seen some lovely photos of the SR Green coaches running on the Great Central Railway route to Nottingham and Sheffield from London from that period.
@thedublorailway380310 ай бұрын
Thanks, they are lovely. It's a great shade of green and they would have to be my favourite SD tinplate coaches.
@sanspareil301810 ай бұрын
The Southern coaches have non compensated bogies unlike the earlier maroon coaches. The non compensated bogies tend to run better than the earlier compensated type in my experience.Of course adding Pullman coaches to a rake with green coaches is something that was done in real life particularly with first class Pullman cars. The Dublo green utility van and horse box also goes well with the green coaches. Unfortunately Dublo never got to produce a green restaurant even though one was planned. (there is version of the proposed restaurant car produced by a chap called Dublo 2000 if you can track him down also they are not cheap!) As for Wrenn I understand that although they considered continuing the super detailed range of tinplate sided vehicles they eventually decided against further use of tinplate and never proceeded with any tinplate vehicles.
@thedublorailway380310 ай бұрын
Thanks. That is really interesting information. The running is like night and day compared to other SD coaches. I'll check out Dublo 2000. The next restaurant car to purchase is the LMR one. Fairly expensive but it completes my collection.
@sanspareil301810 ай бұрын
@@thedublorailway3803 the SD restaurant cars are beautiful vehicles which do not go the way of other manufacturers of the time and use things like generic underframes. The SD restaurants actually represent the prototype with bespoke roofs, interior and under frame detail. One of the reasons I love Dublo!
@AllSortsOfStuff5810 ай бұрын
Sweet...
@thedublorailway380310 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@barryjgalbraith263510 ай бұрын
I have some of the old tinplate stock. I love the sound it makes going round the layout. Thanks for your great video.
@thedublorailway380310 ай бұрын
I am always struck by how clever the mind that thought it all out must have been. With four loops going the sound is deafening.
@premikyam272610 ай бұрын
what happened eastbound at 9:49 ?
@thedublorailway380310 ай бұрын
Ha! The dreaded front bogie. I left the derailment in. The points were set straight but this locomotive has a wandering front bogie, any bogie. I've tried swapping and as it seems not to like going forward for long periods of time I run it tender first mostly, with a 4MT bogie and coupling. This is Australia and we are downside up. It was heading due south.
@bertiewooster33264 ай бұрын
@@thedublorailway3803try putting a weight on the front bogie it does help.
@bertiewooster33263 ай бұрын
@@thedublorailway3803Try adding weight on your bogie it does help plus good clean up and check wheels are not warped.
@robinforrest768010 ай бұрын
I have a 2-rail version which I love. But I’m building a 3-rail layout at the moment, an 8F is next on my shopping list ! Though they do seem to be getting a bit pricey in the UK.
@thedublorailway380310 ай бұрын
I just picked one up in New Zealand for NZD125, about 60GBP. I think it's a bargain. I agree that things are getting tight.The 2 rail ones are plentiful and easy to convert
@robinforrest7680 Жыл бұрын
Lovely solid mechanisms. Looking forward to picking up this springs 4 eBay purchases when home to the Uk this summer. Particularly a Bristol Castle sold as a non runner, though as far as I could see from the photos it’s only problem I’d that the wire between loco and tender is disconnected.
@thedublorailway3803 Жыл бұрын
Once you get these things going they are pretty much trouble free but I feel that regular running keeps problems away. I have never seen anything like the solid oil deposit on the Co-Bo's engine. I've just bought an early 8f with a disconnected tender wire. Hoping that just like your Castle it will be plug and play.
@premikyam2726 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating footage and a sucessful conclusion to a potentially annoying purchase. Difficult to be believe the vendor sent you the CoBo with seized wheels and a non-standard trailing bogie. The early CoCo as noted had rivetted couplings and a fixed upper armature bearing plus the screw on side frames.
@thedublorailway3803 Жыл бұрын
It's only the second dud in nearly 500 purchases on Ebay. Heading for a happy outcome and I got a video out of it too. The Co-Bo bits will probably make up a non powered unit for the moment. If I can find a "Crepello" body I can assemble a three rail Co-Co chassis in working order to put it on. At some point the Co-Bo will run.
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you have established a similar set-up to my own layout. In my case I am using Trix fibre based 3-rail track which allows Dublo, Triang, Farish , Wrenn and Trix all to be run depending on which rolling stock is available.
I have a Trix Britannia with the big flanges and it struggles on an of my track. I should have put down some suitable track somewhere but right now there is not room.
Nice session. A great way of adding lots of flexibility to your layout. The Tri-ang Hornby model is R.850 which first appeared in 1968 catalogue. It's should have a glowing fire box. Mine does. The X.04 motor runs great if maintained. The Plastic thing... Hmm. Interesting reference for a bit of a classic. Will be interesting to see a newer Hornby loco with the its flimsy Chinese motor running on your layout. New loco with an old controller? Should be entertaining. 👍
I got my first R. 850 in 1968 as a Christmas present and it was always an appalling runner. The one you saw which does indeed have a glowing fire box has been a pleasant surprise. I am in the market for one more but in very good condition. You will have noticed that the one running is a bit battered and worn. I am not a huge fan of this Triang Hornby era but I have always loved this example and preferred it in BR livery. I'll be sure to get some footage of the new A4 running. So far all new Hornby models have taken to the track and the H&M equipment quite happily.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that their top speed was supposed to be 40mph only, officially !
Certainly all mine which are early versions do not run very quickly. This seems to be a function of the gearing and may have been to mirror reality or just a happy accident. I need to get my hands on a ring field motored version before I pass final judgement. For a bit of fun I occasionally have them haul passenger trains. The other thing I notice is their dislike of standard radius curves.
Very nice. Great to see the old girls stretching their legs. Yeah. Totally agree that the Dublo and early Tri-ang locos really need to be warmed up and kept running to keep their motors warm for best results. Happy Modelling.
Yes you can't turn your back on them. It's really just age and wear. Hardly used Wrenn engines with the same mechanism are just fine.
I must admit I too prefer the early version. I have two - a "lug" example identical to yours, and a second one which was in very poor external condition which I stripped and repainted in experimental 1946 LMS blue as 6234 Duchess of Atholl. Like yours, after a thorough stripdown and service they both run beautifully, very smooth and powerful.
I think it is well overdue for both the green Duchesses. The matt one I bought at a model railway exhibition about 10 years ago and put it straight onto the tracks. The shiny one has been around for ever so it is high time for both to be overhauled and to be given new magnets.
Good morning. Another great comparison video. I believe the Duchess of Atholl was originally intended for release earlier, however Ww2 put a stop to that when the Meccano factory went onto war production. So eventually had its release in 1948, initially with Horseshoe magnet and then quite quickly with the block magnet. I tend to agree that my Atholl's always seem to run a little better than the Montrose's. Despite much fettling, magnet changes or remags etc. I do like the custom painted blue one. Thanks for the video.
I really do not know what it is because there is no real difference mechanically. Do I just tend to buy Montroses that have been thrashed. My Atholls are all in good shape. I suppose the only answer is to just keep buying and see what the results are. I am getting new magnets for the Atholls. Fingers crossed.
I believe that lithium grease should be used on the bevel gears connecting the armature with the worm gears shaft.
Thank you. I will get hold of some.
Just for info the gears can be changed on the Dublo shunter. I have an example in original condition and one where I have fitted lower gears (from Romford) I personally like the original gearing for heavy work although the re geared one does run nicely. For info new front steps can be obtained from Shapeways (3 D printed) They are nice little locos ahead of their time when the model was produced.
Thanks. I have a guy who does 3D printing for me but before I get to there I'm thinking of fitting a couple of Wrenn bodies once my worst examples expire. Who knows they may outlast me. I am tempted to fit the lower gears you mention to at least one of the units. Right now I'm inching towards an acceptable Class 13 on an old Tri-ang chassis and some bodies printed by my friend. I really like these busy little things.
Great layout.
Thanks. Not finished but then will it ever be?
Excellent little haul of goodies there. A 3 rail West Country is high on my list of must gets and dont those southern green coaches always add a nice bit of variation. That 4mt looks in wonderful condition.
All of the new stuff came from New Zealand and I think that the 4MT cost less than NZD100. Some more arriving in the next week or so. The 3 rail West County locos are getting pricey. My one has two 2 rail stable mates but a 2 rail body.
@@thedublorailway3803 Yes the 3 rail Dorchester West Countries are certainly getting up there. I think I may well look at a two rail and convert it. The two rail versions seem to go for substantially less.
I know what you mean about😂forming up trains that will stay coupled together! I’ve found the same with coaches, which I generally leave in fixed rakes of four or five vehicles. My rakes of goods wagons are also a mix of 2 and 3 rail. But I’ve found that coaches with nylon wheels tend to produce a lot of drag, last month I was briefly back in blighty and was lucky enough to pick up 3 tinplate WR coaches. Only one of them had metal wheels, but the other 2 had nylon wheels (I think from new). Even after cleaning and light lubrication they were not at all free running, and I ended up swapping out the wheels for 3-rail ones. Have you had similar experience with 2-rail Hornby Dublo coaching stock? Also I’m not a big fan of the later nylon couplings. When properly adjusted I find the metal versions far more reliable.
I'm a big fan of metal. Nylon can warp and as for the wheels, yes they drag. Distorted metal couplings are so easily fixed.
That 4NT looks great, I think I might need to get one.
I certainly feel like I need to buy (another) one.
You wont be able to stop at 1 😂 They are the most used locos on my layout. They just run wonderfully with a little tlc.
Excellent ! Hello to Victoria, of which I have fond memories after working on the tenders for the Yarra trams and train contracts in Melbourne back in 2008/9. Here in the Ardèche it’s a lovely sunny April morning at about 14°C at 0830.
We've been having relatively cool summers for here but there was a hot spell near the end. The dry heat is great for cleaning and running. Humidity is a real killer for performance. I'll be on a Yarra tram tomorrow afternoon from Camberwell heading back into Melbourne
@@thedublorailway3803I remember Camberwell, Türe was an antiques or collectives Shop a few minutes walk from the station where I bought a beautiful boxed Export City of London for a very reasonable price and re exported it back to Europe 😂 Very fond memories of Melbourne and all my friends at Puffing Billy. If only we had won that train contract !
Interesting idea. And definately something differant for the layout. Looking forward to seeing progress on that. I do have a couple of 2 rail dublo locos that have been converted to 3 rail with spare pickup shoes. A cheap and cheerful way to make the insulated wheels into uninsulated is to clean the ends of the axles and wheel hubs and use some of that paint on repair for rear windscreen demisters to pass the current. Once dry a little black paint over the top and youd never know it was there. It also has the advantage of being easily removed should you wish to revert it back to two rail operation.
Thank you. This did occur to me and I did cast around for conductive paint but never thought of demister repair paint. I must also confess that once I hit on the Class 13 idea everything else was forgotten, however this will be the way in the future.
Very interesting. I like the idea of keeping the 2-rail Pickups and fitting plungers in the tender. My idea is to go one step further with my Dublo 2-rail 8F. I’d like to rig up a switch to enable me to switch between 2 and 3 rail running at will. I’d be most interested to have your thoughts on that… My problem seems to be finding the plungers…
I got lucky with plungers and hit upon a package of used spares, enough to do a few locomotives. I have never considered a switch but it is an excellent idea.
I recently replaced the ringfield magnet in my 3 rail Co-Bo with a new magnet from Peters Spares, UK. Now when the loco passes any siding containing tinplate rolling stock, the magnetic attraction from the Co-Bo body drags the rolling stock off the siding. Is there any way to shield that magnetic force from inside the Co-Bo body?
I have the same problem with one of my Co-Bo's. I don't have a solution. I just decided to live with it. Brass, copper and aluminium all act as shields but there is not enough room inside the body to accommodate a reasonable shield in my experience.
Thanks Sean. My solution is to park the tinplate rolling stock on a more distant siding from the main lines!@@thedublorailway3803
Interesting video. I've just purchased the 80033, 2 rail model so this is of particular interest. 👍
I have learned a lot about 4MT's from other people since I published this video. I need to get my hands on an example of 80033 and have a really good look at it.
The 80054 and the 80033 (and 80059) have different body castings, the give-away is the chimney, much finer on the 2-rail and later 3-rail models and this mold was subsequently used by Wrenn. There is also an 80000. This was a (very) limited edition made/issued by the Halcyon Recollection Company in the late 1990's and was a fully refurbished and re-liveried 80054 but issued with a certificate and special full colour picture box. It was available in both 2 & 3 rail but only 7 x 3-rail models and 8 x 2-rail models were made.
How interesting, something just got added to the shopping list.
Hi. The Wrenn version of the 2.6.4T had the magnetix flux shunt removed and the access hole in the body casting was blanked out.
Thanks, now of course I need to buy one to have a closer look. Any excuse will do.
Great video. I was one of those intrigued by your repaints previously. So thanks for the update. I love these 4mts. They are probably the best and quietest dublo runners. With a more user friendly top bearing adjustment. I have a couple of mint ones that remain untouched. But I have others that Ive repaired and found various other bodies from two rail versions for a bit of variety of number and emblems. Also these were one of the locos that werent modified by Wrenn so those bodies fit straight on and I have a few of those too, the bodies occasionally turn up. The shunt adjuster doesnt really work with modern controllers, so i tend to whip them out. Other locos come on and off the layout. But these 4mt's are always on it. I love those repaints.
Ps. Wrenn discarded the shunt feature. But the early versions kept the access hole. Later versions had them filled in. Also even though many of the Wrenn liveries arent exactly prototypical they add a nice variation to the fleet. I guess in this day and age, if you wanted a prototypically correct layout, you wouldnt run dublo or wrenn anyway. But they are wonderful things and a great deal of fun, which to me is the main thing.
Thanks for all the information. I've just picked up another 4MT, in good order this time. I use H&M controllers so they probably count as modern compared to the old Dublo boxes so I've never played with the screws in the back. It would be interesting to see one being used and adjusted with an original transformer.
@@thedublorailway3803 I use a morley controller on the main layout. In addition to a H & M. To be honest I think the H & M works a little better with these old girls. And it already has the option of slow speed operation by switching to half wave. I do have an original Dublo controller that has been tested by an electrician, but I wouldnt use one without it being checked. They arent a bad controller for their day. But the H & M is light years ahead.
Excellent.
Thanks for watching, getting ready to record part two.
Love your running session on the 20s and and the overview cheers
Pleased you enjoyed it.
Hi, to let you know the Dublo EMU used a ringfield motor driving just the one axle. Wrenn used a similiar design to Dublo, somewhat modified. Let me know if photos of the mechanisms would be of interest. I was in australia and new zealand at christmas, probably back again in early 2025.
Thanks, I've never handled one. I should have looked at the schematics. I bought an SD green suburban the other day so it would be great to get an EMU to wrap around it. The layout is in Victoria and visitor are welcome.
No better way to get tinnitus
Maybe at the next running session we ought to measure the decibels.
Mercifully good watch.😊
Thanks. The trains made enough noise without my help. Sometime silence is the best policy.
Is that three rail OO? I didnt think anyone but three tail O used that.
Entirely three rail, with the capacity to run two rail or three rail on one circuit. OO used to be pretty much all three rail. This system went out of production in the early 1960's but had its origins in the 1930's.
@@thedublorailway3803 Interesting, I guess they did the center power feed for the same reason Lionel did, made reversing loops easier ( now why Lionel used AC is another story). So I guess with this the middle and one of the outer rails was positive and the other outer rail was negative? Could the three rail run on 2 rail via a selector switch, or were they wired only for 3 rail? Just curious, MTH produced 3 rail O engines that could run on 2 rail O as well.
Great layout 3 rail is cracking!
Excellent vintage running, very enjoyable. All the best to you
Very pleased that you enjoyed it. The feedback has been very encouraging.
What a great vintage model railway.
Thanks. The amusing thing is that by definition the operator is vintage as well.
Im glad someone asked about the repaints. I especially like that 4mt, as they are my favourite 3 rail loco and would love to do some in custom livery as a break from all the black ones. 😂 I do have 1 or 2 with wrenn bodies. Id love to see a video on the custom liveried ones you have.
The feedback on the 4MT has prompted me to make a video on it and its companions. There is one on BR green done by the same fellow who did the blue one. He also repainted a beaten up Duchess of Monstrose in blue. Unfortunately I've lost touch with him. The video should be out in the next month or so. I've often looked at Wrenn bodies and I imagine that is where I will go next when I have a spare chassis LMS crimson would be a natural choice given the origins of the design. I have a beaten up 4MT sitting on my workbench right now and I'm wondering about maker's grey.
great video, thank you
Thanks. It is great fun making them.
Great running session! I have so many questions too! Are the liveries on that BR Black Castle and BR Blue Standard 4 your custom work? They look spectacular!
They were done for me by a guy in Melbourne who has subsequently dropped from sight. They were both in very poor condition so no great loss if painted. I often buy with that in mind. The blue Class 20 I bought as is. There is a BR green 4MT floating around as well. I should make a video on them.
@@thedublorailway3803 I have an old City Class boiler that is very much well worn but a spectacular candidate for repainting. I plan on doing my own project on it in the future.
Interesting video. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
Why
To be equally direct. Why not?. Sick of seeing it all going in one direction.
Because it's old school, doesn't look realistic enough, and the buildings look derelict, but each to their own
Some good trains there. Glad to see my favourite bridger featured.
We need to make a video on Class 20 locos.
What a coincidence ! I just built some three rail track myself yesterday using a couple of lengths of old Peco Streamline code 100. I used an identical method to yours, great minds think alike eh? 😂 I wanted a new carriage siding and have no Dublo straight track left. It was easy to do and means I can wait until I get to the UK next and obtain some more Dublo. Have you tried « three railing » points by any chance?
I have three railed two HD two rail points. Not a great success and the subject of a video one day. Maybe I will again try with Peco or Hornby. I have some Wrenn three rail points but they are really rough objects even in unused condition.
You need to clean the contact rings under the bridge, and tention the contact springs. Your motor needs oil, on the armature bearings in particular. The reason why the bridge is not powered is, that you're feeding in on the wrong track. It's a (roundhouse) siding that would get power when the bridge is aligned with it. You can see which stubs connect to the bridge tracing the wires underneath the turntable. There is a way to wire up the solenoid to a capacitor for much better operation. kzread.info/dash/bejne/pGxqtJuFYs3NYpc.html&pp=gAQBiAQB
I have a video on my channel about working principles and servicing of the turntable if you need to look into it again at some point in the future. Happy railroading.
Thanks. A couple of us have watched your video on the turntable and a few others. It's great to see some other three rail content.
Very interesting video. Thanks for all your hard work.
Pleased you are enjoying it. It doesn't feel like hard work believe me.
fascinating footage. by coincidence i bought a maerklin turntable at the Glen Waverley scout hall swapmeet in 2004.
This turntable was bought about then too and originally restored to working order by a fellow in Ashburton. Not a 1000 miles from Glen Waverley. I can't remember what I bought it for but it was expensive.
interesting projects on the go.
Yes. I hope it interests others. The ratio of work is about 40% repair and 60% 'Let's try something new". The big push has been to get the turntable back into working order. That will be the next video.
Smashing video. I´m just starting on this conversion route to 3 rail and have done mostly Lima. Might you tell me what Skates these are. I haven´t any this small. Many thanks and look forward to the next video. David
Thanks. Marklin pickups as you could see under the Lima 08 if my camera work were any good., but getting expensive now. I have some on order. The guy who did the 3D print of the 13 is looking into making some.
Many thanks. 7164 and 7185 are the Marklin Skates I use but they seem bigger that yours. Might you know the number. I did wonder if they were carriage skates. Thanks again. I live in Spain but my supplier is in Italy.
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Pleased you enjoyed it.
Lovely items, the catalogue numbers were 4054 for the Open and 4055 for the Brake. They really do go well as a rake with Pullman carriages and the Utility Van as someone else says, but you could use the SD Green Horsebox too and mix with the BR Maroon carriages too. I'm sure I've seen some lovely photos of the SR Green coaches running on the Great Central Railway route to Nottingham and Sheffield from London from that period.
Thanks, they are lovely. It's a great shade of green and they would have to be my favourite SD tinplate coaches.
The Southern coaches have non compensated bogies unlike the earlier maroon coaches. The non compensated bogies tend to run better than the earlier compensated type in my experience.Of course adding Pullman coaches to a rake with green coaches is something that was done in real life particularly with first class Pullman cars. The Dublo green utility van and horse box also goes well with the green coaches. Unfortunately Dublo never got to produce a green restaurant even though one was planned. (there is version of the proposed restaurant car produced by a chap called Dublo 2000 if you can track him down also they are not cheap!) As for Wrenn I understand that although they considered continuing the super detailed range of tinplate sided vehicles they eventually decided against further use of tinplate and never proceeded with any tinplate vehicles.
Thanks. That is really interesting information. The running is like night and day compared to other SD coaches. I'll check out Dublo 2000. The next restaurant car to purchase is the LMR one. Fairly expensive but it completes my collection.
@@thedublorailway3803 the SD restaurant cars are beautiful vehicles which do not go the way of other manufacturers of the time and use things like generic underframes. The SD restaurants actually represent the prototype with bespoke roofs, interior and under frame detail. One of the reasons I love Dublo!
Sweet...
Thanks!
I have some of the old tinplate stock. I love the sound it makes going round the layout. Thanks for your great video.
I am always struck by how clever the mind that thought it all out must have been. With four loops going the sound is deafening.
what happened eastbound at 9:49 ?
Ha! The dreaded front bogie. I left the derailment in. The points were set straight but this locomotive has a wandering front bogie, any bogie. I've tried swapping and as it seems not to like going forward for long periods of time I run it tender first mostly, with a 4MT bogie and coupling. This is Australia and we are downside up. It was heading due south.
@@thedublorailway3803try putting a weight on the front bogie it does help.
@@thedublorailway3803Try adding weight on your bogie it does help plus good clean up and check wheels are not warped.
I have a 2-rail version which I love. But I’m building a 3-rail layout at the moment, an 8F is next on my shopping list ! Though they do seem to be getting a bit pricey in the UK.
I just picked one up in New Zealand for NZD125, about 60GBP. I think it's a bargain. I agree that things are getting tight.The 2 rail ones are plentiful and easy to convert
Lovely solid mechanisms. Looking forward to picking up this springs 4 eBay purchases when home to the Uk this summer. Particularly a Bristol Castle sold as a non runner, though as far as I could see from the photos it’s only problem I’d that the wire between loco and tender is disconnected.
Once you get these things going they are pretty much trouble free but I feel that regular running keeps problems away. I have never seen anything like the solid oil deposit on the Co-Bo's engine. I've just bought an early 8f with a disconnected tender wire. Hoping that just like your Castle it will be plug and play.
Fascinating footage and a sucessful conclusion to a potentially annoying purchase. Difficult to be believe the vendor sent you the CoBo with seized wheels and a non-standard trailing bogie. The early CoCo as noted had rivetted couplings and a fixed upper armature bearing plus the screw on side frames.
It's only the second dud in nearly 500 purchases on Ebay. Heading for a happy outcome and I got a video out of it too. The Co-Bo bits will probably make up a non powered unit for the moment. If I can find a "Crepello" body I can assemble a three rail Co-Co chassis in working order to put it on. At some point the Co-Bo will run.