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  @lorenzo77dascenzo708 күн бұрын

  Puff,Yoshi,Dk

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  @DeadBoneJones12 күн бұрын

  the starman bit was very good and also illuminating as to why game devs add elements like random item drops to games in the first place. I understand why it's disliked in comp smash but adding limited items back in is something more people should consider for special match types at least

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  @thefur4et89520 күн бұрын

  can we get a rishi's jungle jam matchmaking discord?

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  @maxdmaxd-pc9se29 күн бұрын

  verry intresting thx for the video

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  @captaincaptionАй бұрын

  I hope YL wins a major in the next 10 years supermajor hard cope

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  @orionparsons7631Ай бұрын

  This video aged poorly bc hbox is still winning majors in 2024 and the official tier list has puff at number 3 in the game over falco

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  @IndigamesforlifeАй бұрын

  2:22 the nerfs and ucf fix all of that

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  @tytrdev2 ай бұрын

  You can also jump cancel throw bombs

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  @soulrebellion2 ай бұрын

  This has aged well

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  @justsomeweirdperson2 ай бұрын

  the analyst vs doer stuff reminds me of system 1 and 2 from the core a gaming vid "playing fast and slow"

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  @joshuaschwartz78402 ай бұрын

  The king is back!

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  @wigglediggledoo2 ай бұрын

  no way is my man wavedashing on the sdvx controller

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  @Maxx002 ай бұрын

  Hot Take: If you're going 0-2 at your local, it ain't the controller's fault bub

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  @O_RLY2 ай бұрын

  What skills do we value in competition? Surely, we would prefer players not having advantages and disadvantages over their opponent before they even sit down to play? If we're at the olympics and one guy gets steroids and the others don't. Do we still value the skills of the steroid user? If one guy is allowed shoes and the others can only afford sandals, is it a fair competition? You could argue that leverless controllers must be allowed for accessibility. However, we don't expect handicapped people to compete against abled people in the olympics. They get their own separate bracket. We could do that in smash as well. 1. Stock, vanilla, oem gcc-only events. 2. Any modified controller, notched, springless, z-jump, goom wave, leverless, rectangle, dk bongos, ddr pad, guitar hero, etc events. If you want to box with cement gloves, then it's only fair if your opponent does the same.

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  @SadToffee2 ай бұрын

  Imagine how intimidating the glyph must look to new players... so many buttons...

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  @tree29922 ай бұрын

  I thought this was an april fools' video at first

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  @Masaru_kun2 ай бұрын

  Yoshi would be at B with Peach nowadays, because of a better Marth match up.

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  @rumfordc3 ай бұрын

  melee is way too popular right now so its seems like a good time to raise the barrier to entry

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  @ianm27573 ай бұрын

  There's minor edges to the capabilities of box and minor edges to the capabilities of gcc. Thats all it is tho, minor. If you think you lost a game just cause your op was on box, i believe the phrase is, "get gud."

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  @eftorq3 ай бұрын

  As a hand problem having Melee player, I'm just happy it's possible to enjoy the game without reaching my pain limit after 30 minutes

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  @Fedivdicher3 ай бұрын

  People that use boxes probably cheat on their girlfriends, hate the sound of children laughing and like tossing boxes of puppies in nearby rivers for fun.

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  @ShadeAnris3 ай бұрын

  I think something that gets missed a lot too is that it’s really annoying or expensive to get a proper GameCube controller. One that’s fully fit for the game (notches, no snap back etc,) is often much harder to get for many people than a box style controller. It’s only going to get harder to get decent GameCube controller’s over time so I think it’s at the very least short sighted to ban boxes. Getting a controller that’s actually good enough to be used for some characters is already a huge barrier to entry regardless of if it’s a box style or GCC so it would really suck to make the problem even worse

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  @AwkwardTurtle3113 ай бұрын

  This could all be solved by running modded controllers tournaments and standard gcc controller tournaments. all of that creating new modded ethical controllers discourse would then be able to flourish in its own scene and standard gcc players would be able to flourish in their own scene. As it is rn, it’s like having heavyweight boxers go against welterweight. Or any numerous other similar examples you could draw from sports and esports

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  @Aefax3 ай бұрын

  not that that's a bad idea but it does introduce a split into the already-small melee singles playerbase, which might be too big of a challenge to put into practice

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  @AwkwardTurtle3112 ай бұрын

  @@Aefax i think we will continue to get smaller the way we’re going right now. We’re bleeding away tons players due to controller legality issues and the lack of a standard rule set. (For example i started in 2014 but once z jump became a thing and phobs i quit. No way I’m going to cheat to gain an advantage or much less have the money to do it. And it’s disheartening when everything that use to be consider skillful now can be done 10x easier with no skill.)

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  @Aefax2 ай бұрын

  @AwkwardTurtle311 yeah its funny how easy it is to spot a spacie with no notches. but i think at this point so many players would quit because they've gotten so used to these gigamodded controllers being allowed in the ruleset that in their mind all it has to do with is comfort cause they've forgotten what a disadvantage it would be to play on a completely unmodded OEM these days

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  @lamMeTV3 ай бұрын

  That's why I bought a frame1! Its far cheaper than glyph and also allows you to play 2D fighters and platform fighters but far more seemlessly.

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  @rheawelsh41423 ай бұрын

  The biggest issue with the frame1 is there's like a 50/50 chance your order will take two years to ship or just be refunded

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  @lamMeTV3 ай бұрын

  I prefer to call them abcs. All button controllers

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  @serialartistry3 ай бұрын

  i really appreciated your insight into rulesets as a whole and how they relate to this discussion, and your interpretation of ethics fits well in this context. though to hear you say "what even is ergonomics?" when repetitive strain injury is so rampant in the gaming community was a bit of a surprise. trying to do more than one waveshine in a row on GCC makes me feel like im holding a 20,000 volt joy buzzer. no such problem on LBX

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  @serialartistry3 ай бұрын

  this game represents an application of technical skill and strategic knowledge that few other games can match. keeping it limited to the 20+ year technology and hardware will only inhibit the growth of the community. if you want to be so exclusionist about it, then sure, you can watch tournament entrant numbers drop like a stone

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  @sleepyzeph3 ай бұрын

  hot take, i think all competition is inherently unfair because humans and our environments are so complex. some humans are just gonna have an easier time fighting than others, so we make weight classes to try and balance things out. but weight isn't everything, and even if it was, setting arbitrary brackets for what "middleweight" is is still going to bias against people in the lower end of the bracket. it'll never be "fair". leverless controllers are better than traditional GC controllers for obvious reasons. we can try to regulate them in the interest of fairness, but i think we'd be chasing our own tails. i think it's better to try and shift our culture to value individual growth, individual values, rather than winning over others. the guy who shows up to fighting game tournaments with a guitar hero guitar, or the guy with the racing wheel, are still "playing to win". their definition of "win" is just one where it's not "triumph over others", it's "do well and put on a show with what you've got". the blind SFV ken player is the sickest dude in the world even if he didn't win a major. i think that'd be a much healthier way to view things in all competitions. also fuck leffen

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  @jiaan1003 ай бұрын

  Yeah leffen is pretty cute I'd be down

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  @powwu3 ай бұрын

  Rivals 2 mentioned

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  @cadetsparklez33003 ай бұрын

  my sister has developed a condition similar to haxs and cannot play with me anymore. the moral argument is huge. best not ruin people lives for no reason

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  @AwkwardTurtle3113 ай бұрын

  I don’t think we should make exceptions in tournament play for injuries. Unfortunate stuff happens to athletes all the time and they have to quit, not bend the rules (the real solution to this is modded controller tournaments and standard gcc tournaments)

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  @moobs3 ай бұрын

  play puff and Samus

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  @ellachino47993 ай бұрын

  @@AwkwardTurtle311 problem is, we can't even get doubles to have a thriving tournament scene these days, let alone an entirely new ruleset

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  @jiaan1003 ай бұрын

  @@AwkwardTurtle311 in 10 years the majority of players will be on keyboard and box. Almost every new player is learning on keyboard because we all have a keyboard already. Most competitive players are still gcc players, but even now it would be hard getting just about anyone in your no notches no z jump no springless L/R no etc tournament.

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  @AwkwardTurtle3113 ай бұрын

  @@jiaan100 that’s been the case since 2016 with people starting on keyboards on online. Some people think their will be too few modded players, either way their should be tourneys for both at every major

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  @starfy11973 ай бұрын

  They banned hax but wanna keep his technology

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  @Aio-Project3 ай бұрын

  if its really about ergonomics then just learn better technique in your tech skill execution. learning to not hurt your hands is totally possible. i don't understand why rectangle controllers didn't use an analogue stick. there is value in the angles man

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  @jiaan1003 ай бұрын

  how does improved technique ever make dash dancing for hours a day less likely to cause thumb strain? Unless your technique is shaking/stretching/light weightlifting between games, which plenty of people do and still get pain.

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  @ShadeAnris3 ай бұрын

  This is really kinda down to luck tbh. Yes you can learn slightly healthier ways to do certain tech but it’s still not a healthy motion for most the the faster stuff.

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  @Aio-Project2 ай бұрын

  @@jiaan100 what im getting at is efficiency of motion and eliminating excess tension. right hand problems are being solved with stuff like z-jump but i hear you, dash dancing is a lot of motion. But still i feel like wiggling the analogue stick around has always been a visceral part of what makes melee cool. the times i practice are all about finding efficiency and ease in my hands and i perform better when i warm up with that in mind

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  @Aio-Project2 ай бұрын

  @@ShadeAnris where is the luck? either you learn to eliminate unnecessary tension or you don't. i think thats also a valuable skill in the game. I have met players who kick my ass whose hands spazz the fuck out when they play and i just think thats part of getting better that doesn't directly equate to winning but is important for long term hand health

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  @YukonJon3 ай бұрын

  RISHI??? LIKE FISHI???

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  @dataman63103 ай бұрын

  I feel like the Melee scene takes a lot of time to decide to do anything. We've allowed Box and Phob controllers without really thinking about what impact they have. I'm a purist so i think they should be removed, but i don't speak for everyone.

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  @jmlee3373 ай бұрын

  dark magician marth skin????

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  @PERSONALEEMG3 ай бұрын

  yay.. welcome back

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  @FrostyFrostyFrostyFrosty3 ай бұрын

  It’s a GameCube game. It’s been played on GameCube controllers for 20 years. It should only ever be played on GameCube controllers. The end

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  @leaffinite38283 ай бұрын

  Lowest iq take

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  @FrostyFrostyFrostyFrosty3 ай бұрын

  @@leaffinite3828 why? Melee is a game played on an analog controllers, that’s why it’s so much better than other fighting games. It’s not too much to ask to have players who have been playing on controller for 20 years continue to play on controller.

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  @leaffinite38283 ай бұрын

  @FrostyFrostyFrostyFrosty your argument is literally just "it has been so it should be" its so low iq your brains probably looking up at the devil. Also 1: is that really why? Idk man 2: i guess if youre willing to keep making controllers, and are ok with them being inherently advantaged or disadvantaged based on nearly random imperfections to the point that actually having a fair match require multiple software patches to try to make up for hardware inadequacy, then no, it isnt unreasonable.

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  @Hack--rz1io3 ай бұрын

  ​@@FrostyFrostyFrostyFrosty I have a couple issues with that take which make me at least say that it's not "The end" (maybe still the same conclusion but there is more discussion to be had) Appealing to the game's design doesn't make sense to me because I don't think that tradition is a value, we have evolved and the game has changed in many ways why can't controllers change too Secondly even if I accept that it is important that it was designed for a controller then I'd say it was only designed for stock controllers which are just impractical And thirdly I just want to play without necessarily endangering hands of players that's pretty cool (And less importantly but still something I care about is that I just think diversity is cool, choice is cool, and I just think that many players just find some things more comfortable to use)

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  @jiaan1003 ай бұрын

  In 20 years melee will be played more on keyboard and box than gcc. It's already played much more on PC than it is on gamecube

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  @toothbrush_butt3 ай бұрын

  i like the end it funny

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  @Eval9993 ай бұрын

  ergonomic means my thumbs dont scream after shffling for 10 mins

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  @frido79393 ай бұрын

  2:33 Is that Rhythm game controller?

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  @beefour74803 ай бұрын

  That is a sound voltex controller yes

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  @empress_josie3 ай бұрын

  fuck box im ableist af when it comes to box

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  @Sh1v3rIZAE3 ай бұрын

  bruh what the hell is the point of using that? I could deadass type full sentences with periods and numbers on that controller if I bound them all to keys. Just get a keyboard adapter deadass 💀

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  @jiaan1003 ай бұрын

  If you're shitposting don't say deadass. Or do, since you almost got me

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  @Sh1v3rIZAE3 ай бұрын

  No, I'm being deadass.@@jiaan100

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  @Sh1v3rIZAE2 ай бұрын

  @@jiaan100 No seriously, WHAT the hell is the point of getting a box controller THAT big? 4D Tekken?

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  @ArmandoDoval3 ай бұрын

  "by the way -- what does ergonomic even mean?" It means you won't get a repetitive strain injury from using it for hours each day

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  @serval_ssbm3 ай бұрын

  the one single miss of this vid; i don't think that's a difficult word to understand the concept of, so it came across as kinda disingenuous...

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  @drewbabe3 ай бұрын

  @@serval_ssbm it's like rishi wanted to make an april fools' vid, a serious ruleset discussion vid, and also fulfill his contractual obligation to review the controller he got sent all in one go. so yeah it's just in this weird state of seeming ironically sincere at times and actually sincere at others, all while sounding extremely under-researched either way

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  @leaffinite38283 ай бұрын

  ​@@serval_ssbm wishy washy and vague, like much of the video. Feels a bit aimless and meandering imo

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  @Goreblender2 ай бұрын

  but you will get repetitive strain injuries on box controllers. possibly more than you would with a regular handheld controller

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  @leaffinite38282 ай бұрын

  @Goreblender well sure possibly. Its also possibly the case that i drive better while my eyes are closed but i havent tried it

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  @mystwerks3 ай бұрын

  The Frame 1 also has textured pbt on rev1/2 heavies and discontinued offering smooth abs midway through Rev2 of the lights? I know its a bit of an april fools video, but outside of the differences between melee/other fighters, I dont feel like anything of note was really expressed

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  @firstlast33133 ай бұрын

  Thought you were actually gonna pick a side

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  @arJunebugSmash3 ай бұрын

  instructions unclear, i am now evil junebug

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  @chiShija3 ай бұрын

  the ganon main

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  @jovanmallare3 ай бұрын

  ok arjun

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  @NarwhalPM3 ай бұрын

  goonbug,

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  @theespicypotato2 ай бұрын

  ​@@NarwhalPM Goonbug

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  @irongiant59512 ай бұрын

  Goonbug

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  @SilentMystification3 ай бұрын

  2:31 SDVX controller spotted 👀👀

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  @esemd3 ай бұрын

  i love box controllers

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  @jiaan1003 ай бұрын

  Same (keyboard is a type of box)

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  @eX1st41323 ай бұрын

  The goated melee youtuber

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  @TheTechnopider3 ай бұрын

  Im gonna be a stickler for a second here... IDK if im getting april fooled, but the explanation of SOCD included a pretty frequent misunderstanding of what the word SOCD actually refers to. You said correctly that socd is what happens when you press 2 opposite directions. BUT, you then gave demonstrations of what the inputs would look like SOCD, vs without SOCD. This isn't what the word means. A box cantroller can not have NO SOCD. All boxes have different SOCD "resolutions", that dictate what the conteoller does when 2 opposites are pressed. What you described as "With SOCD" is what is called "Second input priority" SOCD. or 2ip for short. What you described as "No SOCD" is what is called "Neutral" SOCD, or NSOCD. 2ip is what is most common with purchased boxes in melee. NSOCD is the most popular choice for SOCD going further as part of a ruleset in melee. However, it IS possible to have a controller with no SOCD resolution. This is when the controller sends both left AND right to the game. This was possible in some oldschool fgc's, and caused new mechanics otherwise unavilable. HOWEVER. This isnt relevant to melee because the gamecube controller cable is literally incapable of transmitting a simultaneous left and right input. Sorry for the long writeup, I just think there is a lot of misunderstanding around what SOCD is, and what people mean when they talk about it

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  @rishi3603 ай бұрын

  You are correct, I noticed this late in the editing process and decided to leave it as is as the visual still mostly conveyed my point

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  @bot_matt3 ай бұрын

  Also, most traditional melee boxes don’t even use 2ip, they use 2ip No Reactivation. You can hit left, then right while holding left, but if you let go of right then it will go to neutral

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  @TheTechnopider3 ай бұрын

  @@bot_matt true, I shoulda included that in my explanation

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  @themustardthe3 ай бұрын

  LETS GO RISHI UPLOADED!!!