@@Audiofilas Thank you, I figured it out. When they are 110Hz, how low you cross them? They sound fantastic :)
@Audiofilas23 күн бұрын
@@dannyb5874 depends on xover. I use FIR 96dB/oct , so I can do up to 125-130Hz .
@AudiofilasАй бұрын
Crossover if I remember correctly old Nadja based design DSP at 44/48 sampling rates , solid state amps, digital and LP sources.
@rlopezrbАй бұрын
The Sound
@AudiofilasАй бұрын
Yes , sound is very very good. But me personally, sure depending on my own personal taste , I can still hear small bended horn colorations.
@rlopezrbАй бұрын
@@Audiofilas I think Sven uses dsp crossovers, I prefer analog ones although they are less flexible and can not use delays or phase adjust
@AudiofilasАй бұрын
@@rlopezrb yes , I know he uses DSP . I even know Polish brand, chip insight, maximum sampling rate and possibilities of FIR on that DSP unit in video :) .
As tikejausi siek tiek daugiau kaip is sistemos uz milijona. Bet lyginant pvz su ESD hornais uz ta pati milijona buvo visai neblogai.
@rlopezrbАй бұрын
I listened other system in 2022 from Aries Creat, the cubes and I didn't liked it. I listened to Odeon, Acapella and Cessaro. Yes
@DasScaramoochАй бұрын
@@rlopezrb This is an entirely different speaker to the cube in 2022 , why are you talking about that ?
@user-od9iz9cv1wАй бұрын
This is the cost no object system for me. It is unique in its ability to sound like a live performance.
@AudiofilasАй бұрын
Yes, sound is good.
@kloss213Ай бұрын
Ouch!! I could fix these I see and hear many issues.
@AudiofilasАй бұрын
yes, sound of them was not very good on this show.
@rlopezrbАй бұрын
I listened in 2022 and didn't like it. I like Vil equipment
@AudiofilasАй бұрын
@@rlopezrb its funny , at least 3 guys , who were at my home and listened to horn system on this video, prefers my system :) . That's a big compliment , I will try to make even better :) .
@rlopezrbАй бұрын
@@Audiofilas no way can compare apples with tomatoes, take a look of mine..mobile recordings. All active, now i am planning another way with 8 inch
@rlopezrbАй бұрын
I mean your system is not same quality than Esd. All friends who listened didn't like it Esd
@fabieneldridge34142 ай бұрын
Sounds Great !
@sc0or3 ай бұрын
I wonder is this true that all the best things are in black? )
@Audiofilas3 ай бұрын
At least most.
@Audiofilas19 күн бұрын
Ha. Sony Metal Ceramic Cassette not in black. Its white !
@sc0or3 ай бұрын
This album has so many CD releases, that imho it's possible to find the best sounding. MC is a car audio. Always was it. I don't consider 4k eurs investment into ASC somehow beneficial. It's better to buy a hundred of kilometers of a new tape instead.
@Audiofilas3 ай бұрын
Any money spent on hobby like audio its not an "investment" , they just gone :) .
@sc0or3 ай бұрын
@@Audiofilas That's true. I threw away some money for Sony's MC, and understand you. Much less of course. Depends on possibilities, your are right. But still that's damned 100 reels! =)
@sc0or3 ай бұрын
I'd suggest some Lampizador as a DAC used for this recording. If this sound profile is made with the drivers and cabinet only, that impresses.
@Audiofilas3 ай бұрын
No idea what lampizator DAC is . All electronics (amps/DACs/DSP xovers) are made by me.
@sc0or3 ай бұрын
@@Audiofilas Awesome! Which DAC IC if this is not a secret, pls? I have a motherboard with good oscillators and routing DAC daughter boards now. AK4493 goes the first, then some m-bit will go.
@Audiofilas3 ай бұрын
@@sc0or 24 pieces of PCM1704K . Two pieces per band , my system can go up to 6 bands and is 5 band now. Also I am going to update some bands to full balanced mode, that's will be another 8 PCM chips.
@sc0or3 ай бұрын
@@Audiofilas Wow That's my dream to use a separate DAC per each band (I'd like to try an m-bit for lows, some AK, or m-bit, or 1794 for a mid, and some ES for highs). Thank you for the info sir. When I said "Lampizador" I meant a tube output. The sound is so mellow that a tube was the first suspect. 1704 is like pcm63 so I'm not surprised now.
@Audiofilas3 ай бұрын
@@sc0or yes , 1704 sounds soft and pure and with good enough resolution . Like them much more compared to that new AKM and Sabre stuff .
@user-fg4fr2bz5y4 ай бұрын
No Tubes?😮
@Audiofilas4 ай бұрын
With a sensitivity of around 110dB/W (for most bands), there is no tube amp with sufficient low noise level. I like to listen at night with low sound levels and I can't stand background noise. Also good class A amps plays at the same level as the best tube amps.
@user-qr7jo6tm2z5 ай бұрын
C'est une prise de son en live ?! J'ai un doute ....
@Audiofilas5 ай бұрын
This is live microphone recording at listeners position, about 4 meter away from speakers . Recorder Sony PCM-D100 .
@frankydkl41385 ай бұрын
merveilleux systeme audio, grand bravo, crossover numeric ?
@Audiofilas5 ай бұрын
Merci. Oui, c'est du numérique. Impossible de faire de l'analogique dans mon cas à cause de la distance entre les sources sonores.
@frankydkl41385 ай бұрын
oui c'est sur mais vous utilisé quel filtre actif ?@@Audiofilas
@frankydkl41385 ай бұрын
en tout cas c'est très bon !@@Audiofilas
@Audiofilas5 ай бұрын
@@frankydkl4138 PlogueBidule/Fabfilter ProQ3 . DAC's et Amplis conçus et fabriqués par mes soins.
@frankydkl41385 ай бұрын
dac pcm 1704 ? et les ampli c'est mosfet ?@@Audiofilas
@ejonkus25 ай бұрын
Super details!
@ejonkus25 ай бұрын
Wauw! Skamba super!
@Audiofilas2 ай бұрын
Taip, gana gerai skamba.
@rlopezrb7 ай бұрын
Brutal
@lordfarnesi8 ай бұрын
Qué barbaridad de sistema !!! 👌👌👌
@Audiofilas8 ай бұрын
This is my short tribute to very good Lithuanian musical from 1974(73?) composed by V.Ganelinas. LP and TV film were made based on that . www.imdb.com/title/tt0153509/
@leonardoiglesias23948 ай бұрын
I thought side A had corrected pitch here. Its still faster( higher) here than in corrected versions.
@fabieneldridge34149 ай бұрын
Your recordings are Great !
@Audiofilas8 ай бұрын
Thanks .
@fabieneldridge34149 ай бұрын
Sounds unbelievable ! I’m listening with a old Marantz 2325, Klipsch K-horns on A , B Klipsch Belle’s running in back. Your recordings are fantastic.
@howhithefi219710 ай бұрын
I am listening it now with Marshall Headphones. Amazing. Beautiful. Thank You bery much.
@fabieneldridge341411 ай бұрын
Wild design but excellent sound ! Very articulate! 👍 way to go !
@xoticshock11 ай бұрын
Well done Sir excellent system 😊 , may I ask what DAC you are using and what DSP for xover? Keep the videos coming please.
@Audiofilas11 ай бұрын
Hello . I am using my own made DACs based on PCM1704K . Also same for amps etc. Please look to my new videos , you will see a progress . More info you can find here : facebook.com/groups/678685222504797
@nicktube390411 ай бұрын
Beautiful system! Exactly I was thinking to build a similar system. Can I perhaps get in contact to you for a lil’ advice?
@Audiofilas11 ай бұрын
You can find me in my group , I am moderator : facebook.com/groups/678685222504797
I can’t get enough of your recordings. Don’t let anyone tell you it’s not some of the Best period. My Klipsch horns and Bells absolutely let feel the music as well as listen. It is as close to live as it gets . My old Marantz hasn’t sounded this good for awhile. Great !👍🎶
@fabieneldridge341411 ай бұрын
I’m using a Marantz 2325 pushing them.
@fabieneldridge341411 ай бұрын
Absolutely some of the Best I’ve ever heard through my K - horns and Belle’s all playing. The bass response is fantastic ! Wow !
@Audiofilas11 ай бұрын
Thanks . Those 24" Hartleys in 1100Liter boxes does some magic :) .
@fabieneldridge341411 ай бұрын
Rocking my k- horns !
@hifimedic11 ай бұрын
Garsas tai wow :) Tikiuosi kada išgirsti sistemą gyvai. Ačiū Vilmantai, smagiai paklausiau. P.S. Galvoju sau pasiimti irgi kokį DAT pažaisti. jei gali ką rekoemnduoti iš DAT grotuvų, pasidalink nuomone :)
@Audiofilas11 ай бұрын
Dekui . Ismokau jau visai neblogai irasyti :) . DATa imciau koki nors aukstesnio modelio bet kurio gamintojo , tokie buna su geresnemis mechanikomis, tas svarbu. Geras DAT stebetinai gerai groja ir ziurint is siu dienu perspektyvos ...
@ramunasp.63411 ай бұрын
klausimas, kam tiek kasetiniu manau vieno Nakamici dragono uztektu.
@Audiofilas11 ай бұрын
Drakonas sunkiai papuola net i penketuka geriausiu .
@ramunasp.63411 ай бұрын
@@Audiofilas nustebinai as jo negirdejas bet visi sako kad topas.
@Audiofilas11 ай бұрын
@@ramunasp.634 jie nebande kitu geru magu , pas mane ju topiniu dabar apie 30vnt .
@ramunasp.63411 ай бұрын
@@Audiofilas labai giria TEAC V-8030S Audio High Store TEAC V-8030
@Audiofilas11 ай бұрын
@@ramunasp.634 man nepasirode kazkuo issikrtinis kaip ir 6030 . Abu testavau . Is Teac geriausi Z6000/Z7000 .
@hifimedic Жыл бұрын
Abu takeliai su savo pliusais, MC skamba švelniau, taip pat MC fonas prideda savo žavesio. WAV jaučiasi didesnis dinaminis diapazonas, vietomis skamba aštriau nei MC bet skamba rafinuotai :) Laimėtojų čia nematau, tiesiog puikus kūrinys ir skirtingas experience. Ačiū Vilmantai
@Audiofilas Жыл бұрын
Dekui uz komentara . Is MC cia isspaustas praktiskai maximumas . Rasyta i pilnai perdaryta maga irasymui , atkurta is kito pilnai perdaryto mago tik atkurimui . Kasete geriausia (Sony metal master) kokia tik gali buti . Dolbiu ir tt negaliu naudoti , nes garso "apvilkimas" tampa netoliaruotinu , geriau truputis papildomo triuksmo. W&F turbut maziausias koks tik is kasetes gali buti.
@Audiofilas Жыл бұрын
New video , cassette tape vs hirez wav . kzread.info/dash/bejne/qm2n0MaKY8vWpLg.html
@jefflewallen38 Жыл бұрын
What a great setup. Looks like you have a cassette or two. Sound is really good to my ear. So is the source a cassette?
@Audiofilas Жыл бұрын
Sound source is LP is this video . Cassette as a source is here : kzread.info/dash/bejne/qm2n0MaKY8vWpLg.html
@Boxer4541 Жыл бұрын
Faina sistema ,bet paciam neperastriai groja?
@Audiofilas Жыл бұрын
Visiskai ne. Galbut klaidina 90uju popsas irase , ten originaliai labai sukelti auksti . Paklausykit kitu irasu.
@92trdman Жыл бұрын
very accurate capture (Listening with LS3/5A)
@Audiofilas Жыл бұрын
Thanks , yes, its not easy to make such good microphone pickup at listeners position . Doing my best ...
@ctal615 Жыл бұрын
This sounds faster. I downloaded the audio from this video, imported into protools, synced the downbeat to the original digital version, and this audio in the video is faster than the original. I'm assuming it's not your system, and something happened when you uploaded the video.
@Audiofilas Жыл бұрын
Yes , it could be, some sampling rate conversions were made . Now I am trying always check speed with good test vinyl before recording ...
@willowwale2000 Жыл бұрын
What kind of electronics are you using to power this system
@Audiofilas Жыл бұрын
My own made amps, DACs , digital linear phase crossover etc.
@Audiofilas Жыл бұрын
No Dolby on MC . Topest possible cassette tape - Sony metal master . 0.00 MC 5.40 WAV
@fabieneldridge3414 Жыл бұрын
Super nice !
@fabieneldridge3414 Жыл бұрын
Guess I have another last speaker wish ! Wonderful Sounds !
@Audiofilas Жыл бұрын
Thanks . Sadly , you cant just buy configuration like that . You need to build it ...
@fabieneldridge3414 Жыл бұрын
@@Audiofilas might make a good project. Building speakers is a lot harder than a person would think . I listen to Klipsch horns three way designed horn speakers but yours sound Great. I’ve been rocking Klipsch for over 30 years and I do love them . They are big but I built a listening room for them and a set of Klipsch Belle’s. I’ll probably die with these. I am very Happy with them. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence ! In my case I know it . Thanks, keep the good work up.
@fabieneldridge3414 Жыл бұрын
I just can’t get over how much I love those speakers !
@fabieneldridge3414 Жыл бұрын
Those are Wonderful ! I think they sound Great ! Wish I could afford a pair ! I would pull the trigger immediately ! Dream Speakers to me ! Unbelievable ! Wow, I’d say more but don’t know what else to say ?
@edoardozampetti4601 Жыл бұрын
povero udito umano...
@Audiofilas Жыл бұрын
Why?
@markstewart1807 Жыл бұрын
Nice collection but do you not get hum,with all decks so close to each other?
@Audiofilas Жыл бұрын
Hello , they are not all turned on at same time . I cant hear more noise/hum compared to different placement .
@fabieneldridge3414 Жыл бұрын
Very nice !
@fabieneldridge3414 Жыл бұрын
As we see more of these beautiful horn speakers we can also see and hear Improvement in them. Those are Beautiful and sound fantastic !
@cruise2023 Жыл бұрын
Just awesome, could listen to it all day!
@Audiofilas Жыл бұрын
Thanks. Sound is good , that's true .
@johnodo764 Жыл бұрын
How many cassette decks do you need?
@activelow9297 Жыл бұрын
All of them.
@johnodo764 Жыл бұрын
@@activelow9297 I got one... a Teak 631 sitting idle.
@Audiofilas Жыл бұрын
I think about 25-30 range is good for me . That covers most interesting models .
Пікірлер
what horns are these please?
110Hz horns are made by Autoteh .
@@Audiofilas Thank you, I figured it out. When they are 110Hz, how low you cross them? They sound fantastic :)
@@dannyb5874 depends on xover. I use FIR 96dB/oct , so I can do up to 125-130Hz .
Crossover if I remember correctly old Nadja based design DSP at 44/48 sampling rates , solid state amps, digital and LP sources.
The Sound
Yes , sound is very very good. But me personally, sure depending on my own personal taste , I can still hear small bended horn colorations.
@@Audiofilas I think Sven uses dsp crossovers, I prefer analog ones although they are less flexible and can not use delays or phase adjust
@@rlopezrb yes , I know he uses DSP . I even know Polish brand, chip insight, maximum sampling rate and possibilities of FIR on that DSP unit in video :) .
manau pilnas simfoninis sastatas skambetu prastai.
As tikejausi siek tiek daugiau kaip is sistemos uz milijona. Bet lyginant pvz su ESD hornais uz ta pati milijona buvo visai neblogai.
I listened other system in 2022 from Aries Creat, the cubes and I didn't liked it. I listened to Odeon, Acapella and Cessaro. Yes
@@rlopezrb This is an entirely different speaker to the cube in 2022 , why are you talking about that ?
This is the cost no object system for me. It is unique in its ability to sound like a live performance.
Yes, sound is good.
Ouch!! I could fix these I see and hear many issues.
yes, sound of them was not very good on this show.
I listened in 2022 and didn't like it. I like Vil equipment
@@rlopezrb its funny , at least 3 guys , who were at my home and listened to horn system on this video, prefers my system :) . That's a big compliment , I will try to make even better :) .
@@Audiofilas no way can compare apples with tomatoes, take a look of mine..mobile recordings. All active, now i am planning another way with 8 inch
I mean your system is not same quality than Esd. All friends who listened didn't like it Esd
Sounds Great !
I wonder is this true that all the best things are in black? )
At least most.
Ha. Sony Metal Ceramic Cassette not in black. Its white !
This album has so many CD releases, that imho it's possible to find the best sounding. MC is a car audio. Always was it. I don't consider 4k eurs investment into ASC somehow beneficial. It's better to buy a hundred of kilometers of a new tape instead.
Any money spent on hobby like audio its not an "investment" , they just gone :) .
@@Audiofilas That's true. I threw away some money for Sony's MC, and understand you. Much less of course. Depends on possibilities, your are right. But still that's damned 100 reels! =)
I'd suggest some Lampizador as a DAC used for this recording. If this sound profile is made with the drivers and cabinet only, that impresses.
No idea what lampizator DAC is . All electronics (amps/DACs/DSP xovers) are made by me.
@@Audiofilas Awesome! Which DAC IC if this is not a secret, pls? I have a motherboard with good oscillators and routing DAC daughter boards now. AK4493 goes the first, then some m-bit will go.
@@sc0or 24 pieces of PCM1704K . Two pieces per band , my system can go up to 6 bands and is 5 band now. Also I am going to update some bands to full balanced mode, that's will be another 8 PCM chips.
@@Audiofilas Wow That's my dream to use a separate DAC per each band (I'd like to try an m-bit for lows, some AK, or m-bit, or 1794 for a mid, and some ES for highs). Thank you for the info sir. When I said "Lampizador" I meant a tube output. The sound is so mellow that a tube was the first suspect. 1704 is like pcm63 so I'm not surprised now.
@@sc0or yes , 1704 sounds soft and pure and with good enough resolution . Like them much more compared to that new AKM and Sabre stuff .
No Tubes?😮
With a sensitivity of around 110dB/W (for most bands), there is no tube amp with sufficient low noise level. I like to listen at night with low sound levels and I can't stand background noise. Also good class A amps plays at the same level as the best tube amps.
C'est une prise de son en live ?! J'ai un doute ....
This is live microphone recording at listeners position, about 4 meter away from speakers . Recorder Sony PCM-D100 .
merveilleux systeme audio, grand bravo, crossover numeric ?
Merci. Oui, c'est du numérique. Impossible de faire de l'analogique dans mon cas à cause de la distance entre les sources sonores.
oui c'est sur mais vous utilisé quel filtre actif ?@@Audiofilas
en tout cas c'est très bon !@@Audiofilas
@@frankydkl4138 PlogueBidule/Fabfilter ProQ3 . DAC's et Amplis conçus et fabriqués par mes soins.
dac pcm 1704 ? et les ampli c'est mosfet ?@@Audiofilas
Super details!
Wauw! Skamba super!
Taip, gana gerai skamba.
Brutal
Qué barbaridad de sistema !!! 👌👌👌
This is my short tribute to very good Lithuanian musical from 1974(73?) composed by V.Ganelinas. LP and TV film were made based on that . www.imdb.com/title/tt0153509/
I thought side A had corrected pitch here. Its still faster( higher) here than in corrected versions.
Your recordings are Great !
Thanks .
Sounds unbelievable ! I’m listening with a old Marantz 2325, Klipsch K-horns on A , B Klipsch Belle’s running in back. Your recordings are fantastic.
I am listening it now with Marshall Headphones. Amazing. Beautiful. Thank You bery much.
Wild design but excellent sound ! Very articulate! 👍 way to go !
Well done Sir excellent system 😊 , may I ask what DAC you are using and what DSP for xover? Keep the videos coming please.
Hello . I am using my own made DACs based on PCM1704K . Also same for amps etc. Please look to my new videos , you will see a progress . More info you can find here : facebook.com/groups/678685222504797
Beautiful system! Exactly I was thinking to build a similar system. Can I perhaps get in contact to you for a lil’ advice?
You can find me in my group , I am moderator : facebook.com/groups/678685222504797
Recording setup : facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=6772353506147944
I can’t get enough of your recordings. Don’t let anyone tell you it’s not some of the Best period. My Klipsch horns and Bells absolutely let feel the music as well as listen. It is as close to live as it gets . My old Marantz hasn’t sounded this good for awhile. Great !👍🎶
I’m using a Marantz 2325 pushing them.
Absolutely some of the Best I’ve ever heard through my K - horns and Belle’s all playing. The bass response is fantastic ! Wow !
Thanks . Those 24" Hartleys in 1100Liter boxes does some magic :) .
Rocking my k- horns !
Garsas tai wow :) Tikiuosi kada išgirsti sistemą gyvai. Ačiū Vilmantai, smagiai paklausiau. P.S. Galvoju sau pasiimti irgi kokį DAT pažaisti. jei gali ką rekoemnduoti iš DAT grotuvų, pasidalink nuomone :)
Dekui . Ismokau jau visai neblogai irasyti :) . DATa imciau koki nors aukstesnio modelio bet kurio gamintojo , tokie buna su geresnemis mechanikomis, tas svarbu. Geras DAT stebetinai gerai groja ir ziurint is siu dienu perspektyvos ...
klausimas, kam tiek kasetiniu manau vieno Nakamici dragono uztektu.
Drakonas sunkiai papuola net i penketuka geriausiu .
@@Audiofilas nustebinai as jo negirdejas bet visi sako kad topas.
@@ramunasp.634 jie nebande kitu geru magu , pas mane ju topiniu dabar apie 30vnt .
@@Audiofilas labai giria TEAC V-8030S Audio High Store TEAC V-8030
@@ramunasp.634 man nepasirode kazkuo issikrtinis kaip ir 6030 . Abu testavau . Is Teac geriausi Z6000/Z7000 .
Abu takeliai su savo pliusais, MC skamba švelniau, taip pat MC fonas prideda savo žavesio. WAV jaučiasi didesnis dinaminis diapazonas, vietomis skamba aštriau nei MC bet skamba rafinuotai :) Laimėtojų čia nematau, tiesiog puikus kūrinys ir skirtingas experience. Ačiū Vilmantai
Dekui uz komentara . Is MC cia isspaustas praktiskai maximumas . Rasyta i pilnai perdaryta maga irasymui , atkurta is kito pilnai perdaryto mago tik atkurimui . Kasete geriausia (Sony metal master) kokia tik gali buti . Dolbiu ir tt negaliu naudoti , nes garso "apvilkimas" tampa netoliaruotinu , geriau truputis papildomo triuksmo. W&F turbut maziausias koks tik is kasetes gali buti.
New video , cassette tape vs hirez wav . kzread.info/dash/bejne/qm2n0MaKY8vWpLg.html
What a great setup. Looks like you have a cassette or two. Sound is really good to my ear. So is the source a cassette?
Sound source is LP is this video . Cassette as a source is here : kzread.info/dash/bejne/qm2n0MaKY8vWpLg.html
Faina sistema ,bet paciam neperastriai groja?
Visiskai ne. Galbut klaidina 90uju popsas irase , ten originaliai labai sukelti auksti . Paklausykit kitu irasu.
very accurate capture (Listening with LS3/5A)
Thanks , yes, its not easy to make such good microphone pickup at listeners position . Doing my best ...
This sounds faster. I downloaded the audio from this video, imported into protools, synced the downbeat to the original digital version, and this audio in the video is faster than the original. I'm assuming it's not your system, and something happened when you uploaded the video.
Yes , it could be, some sampling rate conversions were made . Now I am trying always check speed with good test vinyl before recording ...
What kind of electronics are you using to power this system
My own made amps, DACs , digital linear phase crossover etc.
No Dolby on MC . Topest possible cassette tape - Sony metal master . 0.00 MC 5.40 WAV
Super nice !
Guess I have another last speaker wish ! Wonderful Sounds !
Thanks . Sadly , you cant just buy configuration like that . You need to build it ...
@@Audiofilas might make a good project. Building speakers is a lot harder than a person would think . I listen to Klipsch horns three way designed horn speakers but yours sound Great. I’ve been rocking Klipsch for over 30 years and I do love them . They are big but I built a listening room for them and a set of Klipsch Belle’s. I’ll probably die with these. I am very Happy with them. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence ! In my case I know it . Thanks, keep the good work up.
I just can’t get over how much I love those speakers !
Those are Wonderful ! I think they sound Great ! Wish I could afford a pair ! I would pull the trigger immediately ! Dream Speakers to me ! Unbelievable ! Wow, I’d say more but don’t know what else to say ?
povero udito umano...
Why?
Nice collection but do you not get hum,with all decks so close to each other?
Hello , they are not all turned on at same time . I cant hear more noise/hum compared to different placement .
Very nice !
As we see more of these beautiful horn speakers we can also see and hear Improvement in them. Those are Beautiful and sound fantastic !
Just awesome, could listen to it all day!
Thanks. Sound is good , that's true .
How many cassette decks do you need?
All of them.
@@activelow9297 I got one... a Teak 631 sitting idle.
I think about 25-30 range is good for me . That covers most interesting models .