Well said Patrick, we all like the nice things but the greens lie to the public Russell was not a good politician and now he thinks he above reproach Russell shut up and let him speak
@mineralswestcoast75815 күн бұрын
Thanks, was good to have the chance to engage in the debate. Cheers Patrick
@ironclay39396 күн бұрын
If the proposed line up of goodies was in China or under China's control most if not all those good things would happen - But Dearest Kiwi ! it's Not happening here and I'll tell you why - New Zealand is on the Wring Side of World War Three, if we were in the Right Side it'd Work here, but the side that New Zealand is At War With Produces of millions of tons more at half the price and they Own The Market and Kiwis are on the wrong side of This War.
@NealClementson6 күн бұрын
Old Russell, couldn't lie straight in bed
@mineralswestcoast75815 күн бұрын
Haha, thanks Neal. I like to think I held my own. Cheers Patrick
@steffanhibbard24936 күн бұрын
There's so much I could say about the greens b s . But it would be a very long long reply . I can guarantee you the things they own , things they do like going places . He uses a bike every day made of wood , his clothes hemp , the food he eats , all grown in his backyard . How'd he get to that interview , oh that right , he rode his wooden bike there . Man I could go on . Green when they want to be .
@mineralswestcoast75815 күн бұрын
It's convenient to hold certain views at other people's expense rather than your own. All we can do is put forward the best arguments and let people arrive at a point of view themselves once well informed. Cheers Patrick
@samocooper90709 күн бұрын
Thank you Patrick, they cut you off and talked over you, but you got the message across calmly and effectively
@mineralswestcoast75817 күн бұрын
Thanks, was a good chance to discuss the issue and I think Jenny May did a pretty fair job as a referee. Cheers Patrick
@quannyfourtwo436616 күн бұрын
UK has nuclear
@limiNZ20 күн бұрын
Absolutely loved this mate! Nice and clear explaination :) And covered all the main points i thought - Id love to have a chat with you somtime
@peterdollins361028 күн бұрын
The world needs Nuclear to stop boiling up & over so killing life on Earth.
@MaryJaneNZL29 күн бұрын
Nuclear power is the future
@JackSisniftee29 күн бұрын
Would be really cool to get this sort of analysis on the proposed fast track bill!
@ttm260929 күн бұрын
Nz can do hydro, coal and renewables because of a small population, however, big companies and government dont want this as this is not profitable, shame really. I havent seen any new power schemes since the Clyde dam, all electrical infrastructure is getting towards the end of its useful life
@SocialDownclimber29 күн бұрын
Would it make sense to increase the power capacity of hydro without building new dams (ie putting in new generator units and penstocks on existing dams), while also building more wind and solar capacity? As I understand it, wind and solar can reduce the amount of electricity (GWh) that hydro needs to produce, and the expanded hydro capacity can meet demand when the sun isn't shining and the wind isn't blowing. It might be cheaper to keep gas capacity in standby mode but the fact is that some day in the next decade or two, that industry is going to end whereas the hydro industry is going to be there for the forseeable future.
@mineralswestcoast758129 күн бұрын
This can be true in some circumstances, especially when dams have large storage capacity. Unfortunately, in NZ, our dams are largely run of river, and while they can store enough for load shifting on a day-to-day level, at any time more than say, six weeks' capacity can be held. This isn't enough to deal with seasonal variations in demand. Solar isn't something that fits into NZ's existing so system well (generates in the middle of summer and the middle of the day when needed the least, and saturates market at that time with electricity that can't be stored) and wind, while great, is volatile, and the more the grid is exposed, the greater the risk. People will continue to make decisions both as consumers and investors and keep toddling along, and I would guess gas and coal will over time play a diminishing but nonetheless vital role if security of supply continues to be something people value.
@SocialDownclimber29 күн бұрын
@@mineralswestcoast7581 Ah, I was unaware of NZ's proportion of run of the river hydro. That makes a lot more sense, thank you!
@desrender489329 күн бұрын
Because of Rio Tinto's irresponsible behaviour, I think renewables, were held back from being implemented because of the fear of Manipouri supplying NZs grid and forcing prices down, which neither the Govt or the Electricity industry wants. At the moment we have hardly scratched the surface of what could be achieved with renewables in NZ. Also with so much small hydro, we have the unique ability to use those lakes as big storage batteries
@mineralswestcoast758129 күн бұрын
Tiwai Point and Manapouri have certainly been a source of uncertainty for many involved. Having said that, it's still only (in relative terms) 13.5% or thereabouts of national generation, with a huge question mark over how that output would be distributed (in terms of necessary investments in transmission and distribution) elsewhere in NZ, especially the North Island. This doesn't allow for the need for increased supply if talk of electrifying transport and industry ever comes to fruition, plus general increase in supply for population growth. Many unknowns, really.
@Tim_Small29 күн бұрын
GB grid is planning to double pumped storage hydro capacity to 7GW despite not having much suitable terrain for that. Battery capacity has grown phenomenally and is now 3.5GW, with another 3.7GW under construction, and 24GW approved. 80% of GB nuclear capacity is scheduled for closure in the next four years.
@mineralswestcoast758129 күн бұрын
Time will tell. Forecasting is also for imports to increase to as high as 50TWh and I've also read news of plans to increase nuclear capacity to reduce exposure to Europe's reliance on Russian sourced gas.
@Tim_Small24 күн бұрын
@@mineralswestcoast7581 Whilst it's not impossible, I don't see Britain increasing nuclear much (if at all). The only plant under construction is Hinkley Point C, after 8 years of planning and negotiations, the contract was signed in Sept 2016 (initial supporting construction had already started at that point) - with it to start delivering power to the grid in 2025. Fortunately, all construction (and commercial risk) is carried out by EDF (Électricité de France). Current projections are for first power in "2028 to 2031", and costs have risen from £18bn to £35bn (both in 2016 £s i.e. cost rise excludes inflation). The one year (2022) that GB was a net exporter in the recent past was when a large proportion of EDF's French nuclear fleet was out of action due to urgent unplanned safety-related maintenance which impacted a lot of reactors simultaneously (generation was down about 25% over the year). This lack of French nuclear capacity accounted for the majority of this temporary import/export reversal (with additional impacts from Russia's invasion of Ukraine). In 2022 EDF was re-nationalised by the French government (they had to make up existing firm power delivery contracts with expensive gas generation, and this bankrupted the company). Britain doesn't have any domestic modern reactor designs, the French govt won't build any more reactors at a loss, so we'll see if the UK govt finally signs off on Sizewell C (agreeing to build it with EDF at taxpayers expense+risk, despite the massive cost and schedule overruns of the near identical project at Hinkley) The only other serious existing proposals are by China General Nuclear Power Group (state owned), which I don't see happening. Taken together Hinkley and Sizewell (6.5 GW total) just about replace the existing plants which are due to close in the next 4 years, but with a 10+ year gap before both are online. Around 6 GW of pumped hydro is likely to come online during that timescale. 12 GW of offshore wind are planned to come online before 2030, with an additional 50GW in early planning.
@Joe-ew6veАй бұрын
Awesome thanks
@Joe-ew6veАй бұрын
Thanks
@HTDSNZАй бұрын
Mate, any chance on a chat about getting into the industry with yas?
@dickard8275Ай бұрын
Interesting stuff
@davidjohns81064 ай бұрын
Mattie has lost a lot of weight?
@stephendickson90004 ай бұрын
I'm of two minds about this particular mine. I literally live below it and it's some stunning country that thankfully so far hasn't been discovered by the bloody tourists yet. I do know the numbers coming out with exploration and they are eye watering
@mineralswestcoast75814 ай бұрын
Out of curiousity, if you lived say, 50km to 100km away, would you be more or less supportive? Cheers, Patrick
@stephendickson90004 ай бұрын
@mineralswestcoast7581 Makes no difference. As I type this, I am looking into that area. Understand this. The mongrels that are chch airport what to put an airport in at Tarras, a big bastard. Then there's this mine like 5km away. People will not be happy until they completely fck this area. It is almost there now.
@hacker.50cal5 ай бұрын
Dope homie bring it
@cp10119865 ай бұрын
Pollutants, hopefully they feel the affects of their actions. My kids will!
@blommaertbart32245 ай бұрын
Absolutely. Bring it on.
@jgread025 ай бұрын
Patrick is a breath of fresh air and common sense!!!
@mossyra5 ай бұрын
My Dad did the mine that had those carnivorous snails. They looked after the land and put it back the way it was as well as keeping the snails in a good environment... DOC froze the snails and all of those carnivorous snails that DOC jumped up and down about all froze and died.
@willtekata17635 ай бұрын
Our coal is good quality. But we'd rather import crappy coal and burn that so we can feel better. How stupid can you be. And we have gold as well.
@DG76er5 ай бұрын
My god Matti! Sorry buddy but you’re not leaving a moment too soon. You have no comprehension of what your guest’s are saying. You don’t get it and don’t want to. Embarrassing!
@smooth1nz5 ай бұрын
He’s a woke homosexualist
@robadams4345 ай бұрын
Out of your depth as usual - no real experience or knowledge leads to no real understanding
@paulwhitehead44495 ай бұрын
Good bye Matty you awful person
@evanadams95365 ай бұрын
Look at the dopey mouth breather , being stung by a dose of common sense !
@glenashley22535 ай бұрын
Out of depth again Matty just again lies lies lies
@shanehintz49345 ай бұрын
Mattay you got nothing,go do something worthy with your life instead of making an ar$$&&se of yourself,
@Ronny.815 ай бұрын
Interviewer is clearly out of his depth, has no knowledge on mining or conservation land.
@stevenshaw56285 ай бұрын
What do you expect from mainstream media it’s been the problem with New Zealand for the last six years we’re not been opening our minds to the opportunity that New Zealand provides because of these little crybabies ,
@user-tu4gw8qc6s5 ай бұрын
For too long ridicules restraints have been applied on the extraction of our underground assets, the cost of this has been massive, for example a two plus kilometre drift into the Pike River mine apposed to open cast mining! We all know what happened next. The closing of coal mines only to import a lesser product half way around the world in an attempt to save the planet! I could go on. This man is worth more money, listen to him.
@mattheweden-pc5pk5 ай бұрын
Matti you need to get your head out of the sand, we need to make Nz great again Tv one are woke
@blendon14635 ай бұрын
Patrick has his head screwed on and schooled the other idiot
@blendon14635 ай бұрын
Matt is a drop kick, bias prick apart of the biased news
@tonyeyles11795 ай бұрын
Being born on the West Coast it's great when you see some clown being put in his place, by someone who has real knowledge, Minning is important to the locals,,
@davidfentonhancock66465 ай бұрын
Yaa...thank you. Some sense at last. And we do not have any shares in mining at all.....Clever man Patrick........
@mikemoulin4495 ай бұрын
10:16 😂
@SteveShepherd100Rails5 ай бұрын
What a very sensible guy, Matti you need to open your eyes to the REAL world.
@mikemoulin4495 ай бұрын
10:16
@TwoSnail5 ай бұрын
Agree wrt sensible arguements being presented very well. But Matti's job is not to pick a side, it's to ask the questions that viewers will have. In that respect, I think he was fine.
@SteveShepherd100Rails5 ай бұрын
@@TwoSnail I think he did pick a side. The side of no mining on Doc land at all. HE didn't ask how they would do it or what sort of revenue or jobs would be generated from it. He just said, most people don't want Doc land mined! Which is wrong as the majority voted in this govt to turn things around from the direction Labour and the greens were heading. I think the Greens think humans are a virus on the planet. Which I think is TOTALLY wrong, we need to be good stewards but not at the expense of helping people prosper and improve their situation.
@ShirleyZhang-bt4dj5 ай бұрын
No ,Matty could never understand that concept.
@skimaticsnz5 ай бұрын
well done
@tomalexander50645 ай бұрын
100% agree. All I would add is that unless we domestically no longer have the demand for these minerals (gold, coal, gas, oil etc) then it is horrendously hypocritical as Kiwis to ask another country to dig up their back yard and ship it to us, because ours is so precious.
@ppoad Жыл бұрын
Coming from one of the countries with many of he biggest mining operations of world and working in there, definitely I’m glad that is ban in NZ!
@bouldaa Жыл бұрын
I agree, down at the river I tend to shoot more cats than rabbits while the rangers drive around in circles doing nothing about anything. More funding might help some actual pest control and at the end of the day 0.04% is nothing.
@dasgunt2549 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if it’s possible to mine and conserve?! I realise it’s not straight forward, but if it was easy, there wouldn’t be a problem…
@marc-winters Жыл бұрын
🤦🏻
@whaleudder8453 Жыл бұрын
Some good arguments. Not sure if I’m convinced but i think this should be part of a wider conversation. The issue I see is that a lot of peoples reactions are more emotional than rational. I would like to see more funding for pest control, however I think what is also important is agreements of how the land should be left and what standard the immediate environment surrounding the mine should be maintained at. Mines are ugly, can we make them less ugly, leave something other than a wasteland around the area and also increase pest control? Maybe with all of this together then a serious conversation can take place.
@sixthsenseamelia4695 Жыл бұрын
That's bollacks that people who oppose this idea are doing so from an emotional stand point and not a factual & logical one. Where have you EVER seen a zero impact mine? For every action there's an equal and opposite reaction.
@sixthsenseamelia4695 Жыл бұрын
What? Mining conservation land? This is total bull$hat (Bathurst - AN AUSTRALIAN COMPANY)
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Well said Patrick, we all like the nice things but the greens lie to the public Russell was not a good politician and now he thinks he above reproach Russell shut up and let him speak
Thanks, was good to have the chance to engage in the debate. Cheers Patrick
If the proposed line up of goodies was in China or under China's control most if not all those good things would happen - But Dearest Kiwi ! it's Not happening here and I'll tell you why - New Zealand is on the Wring Side of World War Three, if we were in the Right Side it'd Work here, but the side that New Zealand is At War With Produces of millions of tons more at half the price and they Own The Market and Kiwis are on the wrong side of This War.
Old Russell, couldn't lie straight in bed
Haha, thanks Neal. I like to think I held my own. Cheers Patrick
There's so much I could say about the greens b s . But it would be a very long long reply . I can guarantee you the things they own , things they do like going places . He uses a bike every day made of wood , his clothes hemp , the food he eats , all grown in his backyard . How'd he get to that interview , oh that right , he rode his wooden bike there . Man I could go on . Green when they want to be .
It's convenient to hold certain views at other people's expense rather than your own. All we can do is put forward the best arguments and let people arrive at a point of view themselves once well informed. Cheers Patrick
Thank you Patrick, they cut you off and talked over you, but you got the message across calmly and effectively
Thanks, was a good chance to discuss the issue and I think Jenny May did a pretty fair job as a referee. Cheers Patrick
UK has nuclear
Absolutely loved this mate! Nice and clear explaination :) And covered all the main points i thought - Id love to have a chat with you somtime
The world needs Nuclear to stop boiling up & over so killing life on Earth.
Nuclear power is the future
Would be really cool to get this sort of analysis on the proposed fast track bill!
Nz can do hydro, coal and renewables because of a small population, however, big companies and government dont want this as this is not profitable, shame really. I havent seen any new power schemes since the Clyde dam, all electrical infrastructure is getting towards the end of its useful life
Would it make sense to increase the power capacity of hydro without building new dams (ie putting in new generator units and penstocks on existing dams), while also building more wind and solar capacity? As I understand it, wind and solar can reduce the amount of electricity (GWh) that hydro needs to produce, and the expanded hydro capacity can meet demand when the sun isn't shining and the wind isn't blowing. It might be cheaper to keep gas capacity in standby mode but the fact is that some day in the next decade or two, that industry is going to end whereas the hydro industry is going to be there for the forseeable future.
This can be true in some circumstances, especially when dams have large storage capacity. Unfortunately, in NZ, our dams are largely run of river, and while they can store enough for load shifting on a day-to-day level, at any time more than say, six weeks' capacity can be held. This isn't enough to deal with seasonal variations in demand. Solar isn't something that fits into NZ's existing so system well (generates in the middle of summer and the middle of the day when needed the least, and saturates market at that time with electricity that can't be stored) and wind, while great, is volatile, and the more the grid is exposed, the greater the risk. People will continue to make decisions both as consumers and investors and keep toddling along, and I would guess gas and coal will over time play a diminishing but nonetheless vital role if security of supply continues to be something people value.
@@mineralswestcoast7581 Ah, I was unaware of NZ's proportion of run of the river hydro. That makes a lot more sense, thank you!
Because of Rio Tinto's irresponsible behaviour, I think renewables, were held back from being implemented because of the fear of Manipouri supplying NZs grid and forcing prices down, which neither the Govt or the Electricity industry wants. At the moment we have hardly scratched the surface of what could be achieved with renewables in NZ. Also with so much small hydro, we have the unique ability to use those lakes as big storage batteries
Tiwai Point and Manapouri have certainly been a source of uncertainty for many involved. Having said that, it's still only (in relative terms) 13.5% or thereabouts of national generation, with a huge question mark over how that output would be distributed (in terms of necessary investments in transmission and distribution) elsewhere in NZ, especially the North Island. This doesn't allow for the need for increased supply if talk of electrifying transport and industry ever comes to fruition, plus general increase in supply for population growth. Many unknowns, really.
GB grid is planning to double pumped storage hydro capacity to 7GW despite not having much suitable terrain for that. Battery capacity has grown phenomenally and is now 3.5GW, with another 3.7GW under construction, and 24GW approved. 80% of GB nuclear capacity is scheduled for closure in the next four years.
Time will tell. Forecasting is also for imports to increase to as high as 50TWh and I've also read news of plans to increase nuclear capacity to reduce exposure to Europe's reliance on Russian sourced gas.
@@mineralswestcoast7581 Whilst it's not impossible, I don't see Britain increasing nuclear much (if at all). The only plant under construction is Hinkley Point C, after 8 years of planning and negotiations, the contract was signed in Sept 2016 (initial supporting construction had already started at that point) - with it to start delivering power to the grid in 2025. Fortunately, all construction (and commercial risk) is carried out by EDF (Électricité de France). Current projections are for first power in "2028 to 2031", and costs have risen from £18bn to £35bn (both in 2016 £s i.e. cost rise excludes inflation). The one year (2022) that GB was a net exporter in the recent past was when a large proportion of EDF's French nuclear fleet was out of action due to urgent unplanned safety-related maintenance which impacted a lot of reactors simultaneously (generation was down about 25% over the year). This lack of French nuclear capacity accounted for the majority of this temporary import/export reversal (with additional impacts from Russia's invasion of Ukraine). In 2022 EDF was re-nationalised by the French government (they had to make up existing firm power delivery contracts with expensive gas generation, and this bankrupted the company). Britain doesn't have any domestic modern reactor designs, the French govt won't build any more reactors at a loss, so we'll see if the UK govt finally signs off on Sizewell C (agreeing to build it with EDF at taxpayers expense+risk, despite the massive cost and schedule overruns of the near identical project at Hinkley) The only other serious existing proposals are by China General Nuclear Power Group (state owned), which I don't see happening. Taken together Hinkley and Sizewell (6.5 GW total) just about replace the existing plants which are due to close in the next 4 years, but with a 10+ year gap before both are online. Around 6 GW of pumped hydro is likely to come online during that timescale. 12 GW of offshore wind are planned to come online before 2030, with an additional 50GW in early planning.
Awesome thanks
Thanks
Mate, any chance on a chat about getting into the industry with yas?
Interesting stuff
Mattie has lost a lot of weight?
I'm of two minds about this particular mine. I literally live below it and it's some stunning country that thankfully so far hasn't been discovered by the bloody tourists yet. I do know the numbers coming out with exploration and they are eye watering
Out of curiousity, if you lived say, 50km to 100km away, would you be more or less supportive? Cheers, Patrick
@mineralswestcoast7581 Makes no difference. As I type this, I am looking into that area. Understand this. The mongrels that are chch airport what to put an airport in at Tarras, a big bastard. Then there's this mine like 5km away. People will not be happy until they completely fck this area. It is almost there now.
Dope homie bring it
Pollutants, hopefully they feel the affects of their actions. My kids will!
Absolutely. Bring it on.
Patrick is a breath of fresh air and common sense!!!
My Dad did the mine that had those carnivorous snails. They looked after the land and put it back the way it was as well as keeping the snails in a good environment... DOC froze the snails and all of those carnivorous snails that DOC jumped up and down about all froze and died.
Our coal is good quality. But we'd rather import crappy coal and burn that so we can feel better. How stupid can you be. And we have gold as well.
My god Matti! Sorry buddy but you’re not leaving a moment too soon. You have no comprehension of what your guest’s are saying. You don’t get it and don’t want to. Embarrassing!
He’s a woke homosexualist
Out of your depth as usual - no real experience or knowledge leads to no real understanding
Good bye Matty you awful person
Look at the dopey mouth breather , being stung by a dose of common sense !
Out of depth again Matty just again lies lies lies
Mattay you got nothing,go do something worthy with your life instead of making an ar$$&&se of yourself,
Interviewer is clearly out of his depth, has no knowledge on mining or conservation land.
What do you expect from mainstream media it’s been the problem with New Zealand for the last six years we’re not been opening our minds to the opportunity that New Zealand provides because of these little crybabies ,
For too long ridicules restraints have been applied on the extraction of our underground assets, the cost of this has been massive, for example a two plus kilometre drift into the Pike River mine apposed to open cast mining! We all know what happened next. The closing of coal mines only to import a lesser product half way around the world in an attempt to save the planet! I could go on. This man is worth more money, listen to him.
Matti you need to get your head out of the sand, we need to make Nz great again Tv one are woke
Patrick has his head screwed on and schooled the other idiot
Matt is a drop kick, bias prick apart of the biased news
Being born on the West Coast it's great when you see some clown being put in his place, by someone who has real knowledge, Minning is important to the locals,,
Yaa...thank you. Some sense at last. And we do not have any shares in mining at all.....Clever man Patrick........
10:16 😂
What a very sensible guy, Matti you need to open your eyes to the REAL world.
10:16
Agree wrt sensible arguements being presented very well. But Matti's job is not to pick a side, it's to ask the questions that viewers will have. In that respect, I think he was fine.
@@TwoSnail I think he did pick a side. The side of no mining on Doc land at all. HE didn't ask how they would do it or what sort of revenue or jobs would be generated from it. He just said, most people don't want Doc land mined! Which is wrong as the majority voted in this govt to turn things around from the direction Labour and the greens were heading. I think the Greens think humans are a virus on the planet. Which I think is TOTALLY wrong, we need to be good stewards but not at the expense of helping people prosper and improve their situation.
No ,Matty could never understand that concept.
well done
100% agree. All I would add is that unless we domestically no longer have the demand for these minerals (gold, coal, gas, oil etc) then it is horrendously hypocritical as Kiwis to ask another country to dig up their back yard and ship it to us, because ours is so precious.
Coming from one of the countries with many of he biggest mining operations of world and working in there, definitely I’m glad that is ban in NZ!
I agree, down at the river I tend to shoot more cats than rabbits while the rangers drive around in circles doing nothing about anything. More funding might help some actual pest control and at the end of the day 0.04% is nothing.
I wonder if it’s possible to mine and conserve?! I realise it’s not straight forward, but if it was easy, there wouldn’t be a problem…
🤦🏻
Some good arguments. Not sure if I’m convinced but i think this should be part of a wider conversation. The issue I see is that a lot of peoples reactions are more emotional than rational. I would like to see more funding for pest control, however I think what is also important is agreements of how the land should be left and what standard the immediate environment surrounding the mine should be maintained at. Mines are ugly, can we make them less ugly, leave something other than a wasteland around the area and also increase pest control? Maybe with all of this together then a serious conversation can take place.
That's bollacks that people who oppose this idea are doing so from an emotional stand point and not a factual & logical one. Where have you EVER seen a zero impact mine? For every action there's an equal and opposite reaction.
What? Mining conservation land? This is total bull$hat (Bathurst - AN AUSTRALIAN COMPANY)