1. I don't bother about the free AutoOrtho or simheaven, and use the payware Orbx True Earth. At the time of writing it only covers the UK but soon it will cover other areas. I would advise anyone to wait until then. 2. Yes I agree you do need XOrganizer, but I also use it to catergorize the type of planes that I use, so the system loads just those only, making it load faster. That said loading Xplane is faster than loading MSFS 3. You can sent up different profiles for each invidual plane to load automatically, you cannot do that with MSFS 2020 and you have to tell it what you want each time. 5. I agree the outside graphics are better in MSFS but as somebody has already said the default airports in Xplane can be better. 6. Ive been using Xplane for a while and the key bindings can be a bit silly I agree but I never use them. I use the a yoke, rudder pedals and throttle quadrant, so your comment is irrelvant to me. 7. Also for Camera controls I use X-Camera, you can not do that with MSFS2020 because asobo has not unlocked the code to allow 3rd party access.
@GregRutkowski21 сағат бұрын
Just followed, would like to see you full blown compair/install. I want to get a flight sim but not sure which one, your review could help me. My goal is to have a system totally local install without the need for the internet.
@rickfloyd451Күн бұрын
I have both sims. For me, XP12 still has an aliasing problem, no matter the video card, processor, or slider position. It shimmers, which makes for a poor picture. This is a killer for me.
@dtrjones2 күн бұрын
I used X-Plane 11 for years after ACES gave up on FSX and I had a great time. The only reason I bought X-Plane however was because of the introduction of Orbx TrueEarth, although that technology is a bit more accessible in X-Plane today through various add-ons. Without the TrueEarth scenery unfortunately it's a deal breaker as although the flight model was fun and better in places than MSFS (but not in all cases) my preference for GA flying, I just couldn't cope with the default X-Plane scenery.
@FlightSimMuseum2 күн бұрын
Nicely constructed review, thanks!! Subbed.
@EverydayNormalGeek2 күн бұрын
As an XP fanboy I had the same difficuity getting used to MSFS key assignments and camera controls. I totally agree about mod fatigue, and I've given up trying to make simheaven not stutter my sim especially in heavy urban areas so nowadays I use only Autoortho and accept the fact that building and forests are not perfect. I would say 12.1 is a step in the correct way, but it is a long way to come still.
@yogowong3 күн бұрын
I just watched your latest video and sorry you felt that way. I know that feeling totally. But dont call it quits, you just havent found the right niche and communicate that effectively. (Kudos for not trying to do clickbaits though)
@lt_dreams963 күн бұрын
13:42 Alright buddy. We know you pulled a tail strike right there. We're not gonna let that slide lol 😅
@christopherbazaka15643 күн бұрын
Xplane just feels so much nicer to fly. Taking off and landing in msfs feels so jarring and twitchy, as if the plane has no inertia, it all feels fake. What about the CFD??? An actual real time CFD simulation would require tons of computing power. The one put into the sim is so dumbed down and low fidelity, its just there for marketing. Its easy to point to it and say, look! its an advanced flight model! yet the results are poor, the feeling of flight is artificial. Xplanes flight model provides great results for a home desktop sim.
@gregdeal40093 күн бұрын
Mfsf is for people who care about eye candy first then simulation second and xplane 12 is for those who care about simulation first then graphics second. Always has and always will be. Kinda like Boeing and Airbus. Both have strengths and weaknesses. Your money, your choice.
@geonauto4 күн бұрын
Good ,keep gaming with MSFS. XPLANE has been always a niche simulator ,and I hope it ll keep always like that ,for simmers.
@activex7327Күн бұрын
It has been niche because no one is using it, it is literally 10 years behind, so are its users.
@Cessna172SNavIII8 сағат бұрын
@@activex7327found the msfs fanboy lol
@activex73278 сағат бұрын
@@Cessna172SNavIII Don't forget there's 15Million of us, we all have to be fanboys to use the product. Nice logic, good job, you embarrassed yourself 🤣🤣
@Cessna172SNavIII8 сағат бұрын
@@activex7327 there are not 15 million active msfs 2020 players, and I’m one of them. You’re the embarrassing one here
@Cessna172SNavIII8 сағат бұрын
@@activex7327 and no, you don’t have to be a fanboy to use a product, you aren’t very sharp
@raymondyu18ify4 күн бұрын
So sad to see you go, I loved your videos. Take care good sir!
@EmeryE24 күн бұрын
Thank you for explaining why you were quitting, I think you had a very good reason for it and I fully understand. Good bye, thank you for making me laugh from time to time and that last sentence at the end was just pure gold 😂.
@animecaptaingaming4 күн бұрын
I just showed a friend on his discord your video. After your video got to the FAA cert part. He banned me. I stick to the XP fanbase being a group i still avoid
@CAL1MBO5 күн бұрын
Just saw that you're stopping KZread. Wanted to let you know your channel had quickly become one my favourites. Your videos were well researched, informative and funny. That trade show looked pretty boring aside from the MSFS 2024 presentation (which has now restored my faith in it's features). Enjoy your flight simming and uninstalling XPlane. Take care o7
@payt015 күн бұрын
I've loved both Xplane and MSFS and even other flight sims, such as aerofly FS for as long as they've been around pretty much. Once FSX was getting really long in the tooth, I naturally became an XPlane user, as there really was nothing else to scratch my flightsim itch. For me flightsimming is about real feeling airplanes, but also for a large part about scenery that represents reality as much as it can. Xplane really started becoming my default sim since version 10 came out, There were new and exciting developments, and version 11 was even better, With a bunch of ortho and dem data, it can me made to look awesome. Of course 12 would've been awesome, if it weren't for the fact that MSFS came out, which instantly made XPlane look dated, Initially however, Xplane still had the upper hand in physics. But for me that's only part of the equation, so I still preferred MSFS. A few times a week there also these really fun group flights with the likes of TwotoneMurphy, The flying Fabio, etc. There's just nothing like that for Xplane. I'm sure that with the right amount of addons and stuff, you can appoximate the way Xplane looks compared to MSFS, but as demonstrated in this video, getting all that to work is a hobby all to itself.. something I've just about had enough of. I hope Laminar manages to streamline all that in one awesome product that you can just run and have fun. Now with MSFS 2024 on the horizon, Xplane is back to square one with the catchup game again. I really hope they manage to somewhat keep track, because competition is only good for us!
@CAL1MBO5 күн бұрын
Is XPlane 11 better than FSX? Yes, but I was playing FSX when I was 7. It's old as shyte. XPlane is stuck in the 2010s, MSFS is miles ahead
@alexfly805 күн бұрын
Are u talking about Flight Dynamics ... Can I ask you how many real hours do you have and how many acft did u flew in your life?
@NightTrainIndustries5 күн бұрын
I when I was younger around the year 2000 I was convinced I wanted to be a pilot. I earned about 14 hours that year but then life happened and I decided to enter The Air Force enlisted. It ate up all my time. Around the year 2004 I started training again earning and additional 8 hours, but then I went a long time with out flying. In 2017 I picked it back up only to decided the flight school was sketchy. I am a 42 year old adult who has wealthy friends with airplanes. There will be a real world 172 video coming out soon. I also have a video coming out in a few weeks about why I abandoned the idea of becoming a real world pilot. Thanks for watching.
@alexfly805 күн бұрын
So until you don't gain 1000+ h is better for you to stick with ur evaluation only for graphic or other comparison. Is a friendly suggestion. Ps. I stop watching after 1 min.
@NightTrainIndustries5 күн бұрын
@@alexfly80 I will take you to heart thank you so very much for such a great suggestion. I will work tirelessly to earn your subscription and make sure that I hold your attention for more than 1 minute next time.
@CAL1MBO5 күн бұрын
@alexfly80 Being a real pilot means jack shyte in the world of flight simulator development. Source: myself, an aeronautical engineer working in flight model development. We have always been advised to ignore inputs from real pilots, as they're knowledge of flight mechanics is inferior to an engineer's, and you have no knowledge of pushing an aircraft to it's real limit. You can only fly your aircraft within the restrictions written on your manual. Nothing you say carries any weight.
@SoldierXXL5 күн бұрын
I use both sims and have spent much more time in MSFS until recently with XP12.1 and the one thing that shocked me jumping back into XP is just how much BETTER default airports look in XP compared to non custom made airports in MSFS that even lack any form of apron flood lighting at night and are completely dark. Yes MSFS does lots of visual things better than XP but not everything and I hope MSFS 2024 has better default airports. Also the scenery SDK in MSFS is an absolute pain where as editing a default airport in XP is super easy and straight forward. I HOPE MS/ASOBO improve this aspect.
@NightTrainIndustries5 күн бұрын
Agree 100%, in my video 8 reasons I wasn't excited about the second FS2024 trailer. Reason number 6 is the fact they showed no default airports in the trailer, they I show how bad KPRC Prescott AZ is in MSFS2020. I was at Sim Expo today and there was not anything about it. I was hoping there would be a MSFS2024 demo but there was not.
@PilotLH5 күн бұрын
Nice video! I highly recommend you check out the MFG Crosswind V3 if youre looking for some solid rudder pedals.👍
@Belfran6 күн бұрын
Value again, packing a lot in a single video! In a way, MSFS is providing a simple solution for arcade and 'deeper' flightsim. I tossed a lot of money into XP11 and checked XP12 to rediscover that ratio of time invested in making the sim look realistic to time to fly is probably 2.5 : 1.
@NightTrainIndustries5 күн бұрын
Yeah, it felt like I was back in the FSX days again. I'd say that's about the right ratio. I'm going to do another video with Visual XP and MESH and then some split screen stuff... but first I have to do a sim expo video.
@johnporter58286 күн бұрын
Wow ! Something worse than MSFS 2020....
@samuelsmith21126 күн бұрын
Pretty soon you won’t have to install ortho and ortho 4 and ortho this and that and sim heaven and sim hell X plane will be incorporating orthos and Microsoft type satellite imagery in X plane this year Your installation efforts were noble and will be recorded in the history books So around Q4 the updates will be instituted into the main program like MSFS I think X plane got some hard knocks by people but they weren’t looking at the long term plans of Laminar MSFS may be a final product but x plane will continue to evolve over time. Not X plane 13 and 14 but continual updates to the base program The only problem x plane has now is trying to get companies to write for them. Everybody ran to MSFS and dropped X plane, now watch these same guys drop MSFS and run to MSFS 2024 At least X plane has Toliss and X Aviation in their corner. Airfoillabs is good too
@NightTrainIndustries6 күн бұрын
Where is this info? I watched Laminar’s sim expo presentation and the only things mentioned were xplane store and cockpit shadows.
@MustafaGT6 күн бұрын
Bruh, at this point XP fanboys are just living in denial!! Was an XP user since XP10 and MSFS is just light years ahead of XP and no it’s not just in the eye candy department.
@NightTrainIndustries6 күн бұрын
The argument is always that scenery doesn’t matter because the airplanes and flight dynamics are so good and the sim is so customizable.
@johnwicks49366 күн бұрын
I transitioned from Xplane to MSFS to avoid having to do this anymore. The ridiculous amount of space I need with crap to make the game look better is silly. I’m long done with it now.
@NightTrainIndustries5 күн бұрын
Yeah it's kind of a pain. A lot of disk space. Something compels me to move forward. Thanks for watching.
@Aleksandar6ix6 күн бұрын
I am so glad I am not picky over scenery.
@NightTrainIndustries5 күн бұрын
Level D sims have terrible scenery.
@abumohandes44877 күн бұрын
X-Plane fanboy here. For me it was just the other way around ;-) Keyboard shortcuts are so engrained in our brains. Each have their strengths and weaknesses. I run a physical simulator with loads of custom hardware, so I depend on good software interfacing, which X-Plane excels at. I still have a regular look at MSFS, because apparently the API (SimConnect) is being developed further, but progress appears slow.
@NightTrainIndustries7 күн бұрын
Yeah, people need x plane for more complex setups. I can see how it is much more customizable than MSFS. I think it’s unlikely they will ever cater to custom hardware builders. Some are getting results in MSFS. Commercial developers seem to be pushing MS and Asobo to support custom hardware. Thanks for watching.
@jostmathe7 күн бұрын
as always, nice review, yeah i just tried out MSFS2020 and i have to say, I'm now attracted to it although i will probably start using it after i move away from my HD 620 graphics 😅
@NightTrainIndustries7 күн бұрын
Appreciate it jost. Hd620 damn thats… some power.
@saminaneenКүн бұрын
@jostmathe, Glad YOU, just got out of X-Plane prison, See, I was right all along, telling YOU that MSFS 2020, is the best in the world, and I'm glad, YOU stopped throwing a temper tantrum, and grew up, and listened to ME.
@jostmatheКүн бұрын
@@saminaneen 😂 bro are how did you find me here ??? , anyways I love both of them but to me x plane still has better physics
@ls-it2ml7 күн бұрын
I own active sky. But. Flight simulation is also about immersion. Active sky's horrible clouds and my-little-pony-kind-of-like rainbows kill immersion imo. What is the point of having realistic winds, turbulence and such when you have to look at those clouds and ludicrous rainbows? I regretted purchasing active sky almost right away. The only people I noticed enjoying those clouds are the geriatric trolls from avsim. Two words come to mind when I think of active sky. One is gross and the other one is shove.
@NightTrainIndustries7 күн бұрын
Geriatric trolls from avsim. Thats a good description. There is too much wrong with active sky. I hoped it would be good like they cracked the code… but no. It’s rex weather force 3 years too late. Thanks for watching.
@tb464757 күн бұрын
Do you actually fly in real life? You stated that xplane only has a slightly better flight model in certain situations - but the MSFS flight model is so terrible it completely knocked me out of shape for when I fly in real life, even had to go around once. xPlane's flight model is better in every aspect, MSFS doesn't even simulate airflow its all faked
@tb464757 күн бұрын
Hey also if you need a new joystick I recommend the Virpil VPC WarBRD-D, thats the base then you can buy any stick thats compatible to put on it. They sell their own but I personally use the FSProjects a32x stick
@NightTrainIndustries7 күн бұрын
I used to but not anymore. I’d like to find out a few things 1. What airplane. 2 when did you last try MSFS. 3. Why do people keep saying airflow is fake when Asobo continuously shows its computational fluid dynamics model. How do you fake CFD? I can agree ground handling on certain airplanes is problematic in MSFS. I can’t see how the any flight sim can benefit any pilot in real life. To me it’s all entertainment and the FAA apparently feels the same way only allowing 2.5 hrs of batd or aatd time to count towards a ppl or 10 hrs towards instrument rating. I’ll check out vipril thanks for watching?
@tb464757 күн бұрын
@@NightTrainIndustries 1. Flight model isn't per airplane, it's per sim - the aircraft developer only has to fill out a config file with a low poly version of the aircraft used for simulations and information like weights, cgs, drag coefficients etc; so the airplane is irrelevant if the author of the addon has realistic data and uses this correctly. 2. Couple months ago, i still use it every now and then to make scenic shots 3. It's fake - it is not simulated and is pre-determined. This is why xplane has much poorer CPU performance, because the CPU is actually doing something...
@ScepticGinger895 күн бұрын
@@tb46475 er, but XP12 is way easier on the CPU, isn't it? In MSFS I'm always bottlenecked by CPU, in XP12, the VRAM is the limit and CPU usage is much lower.
@tb464755 күн бұрын
@@ScepticGinger89 xplane 12 thrives on single core performance, so you won’t see high total usage
@fastbackseventyseven35537 күн бұрын
After the latest MSFS update stutters are a thing of the past (finally!)...I watched an old P3D video I filmed when I first got my i9 9900k and the stuttering was horrendous, that was considered good at the time!
@NightTrainIndustries7 күн бұрын
I get a smooth 85 fps in MSFS with a i7 13700 and 4080 super. So the relatively bad performance in X-plane gave me flash backs to the FSX days. Thanks for watching.
@JohnCillis7 күн бұрын
Having used Xplane 11, which I especially enjoyed when an Ultralight Gyrocopter came out, which flew exactly like gyro pilots who also were simmers told me it would, I remember the pain of going thru everything you did but once I had everything done, in ways it was more entertaining than MSFS is, especially flying over Arizona. Nonetheless, I feel MSFS, which I only run on an Xbox S, has so much content I enjoy, except for modeling copters and gyrocopters in a less authentic way then I feel Xplane does, in fact there is only one Gyro which I did not even buy knowing that some gyros can land in less than 25 feet. Your video is excellent. I would never tell someone not to buy Xplane. Only reason I do not use it anymore is my old computer died when lightning hit the corner of my apartment building and even killed my fridge. I did salvage its hard drive, but I decided when MSFS 2020 was announced that I would stay with one sim, if it fulfilled its ortho promises which it did. It only is poor when it comes to mesh in places like Guilin China or Angel Falls, near Venezuela and no third party has ever done anything for those places in Xbox. I had good freeware mesh for P3D for Angel Falls which I wanted because I flew there as a tourist in '90 in a twin piston engine Cessna Titan airliner.
@NightTrainIndustries7 күн бұрын
Thanks john appreciate it! I think supporting laminar is a good thing. It’s a great time to be into flightsimming.
@disease267 күн бұрын
Great video.. Like you i have always been loyal to MS Flight Sims but i have had some curiosity about whats on the other side of the fence. this just confirms my thoughts.
@NightTrainIndustries7 күн бұрын
Appreciate it. It takes a lot of mods but it’s good once you get it dialed in. Thanks for watching.
@ysfsim7 күн бұрын
Xorganizer works. I used to manually do this until i got it. As for updates, if you have betas checked, every beta available you will be notified
@NightTrainIndustries7 күн бұрын
Does it work automatically? Like if i just open xplane and not open auto ortho first? It forces the scenery packs.ini to always be in that same order or you have to run it to get the order right? 15 bucks is steep but this is an annoying problem.
@ysfsim7 күн бұрын
@@NightTrainIndustries it's suppose to organize everything automatically. You can run different profiles. I have one profile with auto Ortho active and one without. That way I can run xplane with default scenery when I need to work on something. You should run xorganizer everytime you add scenery only. After that, if you use auto Ortho, just run it first before xplane. I use map enhancement XP instead of auto Ortho now as it's a cleaner, simpler and more polished than auto Ortho.
@Dionm018 күн бұрын
Yeah, I'm financially challenged. As a long time X plane user, I dumped it. Even though I do own X plane 12 and 1 airplane. I just could not justify the financial burden of trying to maintain both Sims. So I had to make a choice. I went with Microsoft Flight Simulator because all the add Ons that I have purchased will carry over to Microsoft flight simulator 2024. Whereas the X plane ecosystem since X plane 10 for me anyway. Every time there Is a new version I have to rebuy my aircraft all over again if you want them to Function at their best possible fidelity. Sadly, as desktop aviators it locks us into a box. unless, of course, you've got the financial means to carry both Sims. Looking forward to FS2024. Cheers.
@NightTrainIndustries7 күн бұрын
Im finding that x-plane in this final configuration is good for GA. I think there will be some exciting news tomorrow regarding MSFS2024. Thanks for watching.
@swiss64heavy418 күн бұрын
I criticized your review before, and i will do it again. While I do respect your opinion, I think you are very biased in favour of the MSFS series. Notice how you never made a good edition on the transition to X-Plane 12.
@NightTrainIndustries8 күн бұрын
Fair enough. I don’t fully understand the last sentence. Never made a good edition? You mean a video that was only positive about X-Plane?
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1. I don't bother about the free AutoOrtho or simheaven, and use the payware Orbx True Earth. At the time of writing it only covers the UK but soon it will cover other areas. I would advise anyone to wait until then. 2. Yes I agree you do need XOrganizer, but I also use it to catergorize the type of planes that I use, so the system loads just those only, making it load faster. That said loading Xplane is faster than loading MSFS 3. You can sent up different profiles for each invidual plane to load automatically, you cannot do that with MSFS 2020 and you have to tell it what you want each time. 5. I agree the outside graphics are better in MSFS but as somebody has already said the default airports in Xplane can be better. 6. Ive been using Xplane for a while and the key bindings can be a bit silly I agree but I never use them. I use the a yoke, rudder pedals and throttle quadrant, so your comment is irrelvant to me. 7. Also for Camera controls I use X-Camera, you can not do that with MSFS2020 because asobo has not unlocked the code to allow 3rd party access.
Just followed, would like to see you full blown compair/install. I want to get a flight sim but not sure which one, your review could help me. My goal is to have a system totally local install without the need for the internet.
I have both sims. For me, XP12 still has an aliasing problem, no matter the video card, processor, or slider position. It shimmers, which makes for a poor picture. This is a killer for me.
I used X-Plane 11 for years after ACES gave up on FSX and I had a great time. The only reason I bought X-Plane however was because of the introduction of Orbx TrueEarth, although that technology is a bit more accessible in X-Plane today through various add-ons. Without the TrueEarth scenery unfortunately it's a deal breaker as although the flight model was fun and better in places than MSFS (but not in all cases) my preference for GA flying, I just couldn't cope with the default X-Plane scenery.
Nicely constructed review, thanks!! Subbed.
As an XP fanboy I had the same difficuity getting used to MSFS key assignments and camera controls. I totally agree about mod fatigue, and I've given up trying to make simheaven not stutter my sim especially in heavy urban areas so nowadays I use only Autoortho and accept the fact that building and forests are not perfect. I would say 12.1 is a step in the correct way, but it is a long way to come still.
I just watched your latest video and sorry you felt that way. I know that feeling totally. But dont call it quits, you just havent found the right niche and communicate that effectively. (Kudos for not trying to do clickbaits though)
13:42 Alright buddy. We know you pulled a tail strike right there. We're not gonna let that slide lol 😅
Xplane just feels so much nicer to fly. Taking off and landing in msfs feels so jarring and twitchy, as if the plane has no inertia, it all feels fake. What about the CFD??? An actual real time CFD simulation would require tons of computing power. The one put into the sim is so dumbed down and low fidelity, its just there for marketing. Its easy to point to it and say, look! its an advanced flight model! yet the results are poor, the feeling of flight is artificial. Xplanes flight model provides great results for a home desktop sim.
Mfsf is for people who care about eye candy first then simulation second and xplane 12 is for those who care about simulation first then graphics second. Always has and always will be. Kinda like Boeing and Airbus. Both have strengths and weaknesses. Your money, your choice.
Good ,keep gaming with MSFS. XPLANE has been always a niche simulator ,and I hope it ll keep always like that ,for simmers.
It has been niche because no one is using it, it is literally 10 years behind, so are its users.
@@activex7327found the msfs fanboy lol
@@Cessna172SNavIII Don't forget there's 15Million of us, we all have to be fanboys to use the product. Nice logic, good job, you embarrassed yourself 🤣🤣
@@activex7327 there are not 15 million active msfs 2020 players, and I’m one of them. You’re the embarrassing one here
@@activex7327 and no, you don’t have to be a fanboy to use a product, you aren’t very sharp
So sad to see you go, I loved your videos. Take care good sir!
Thank you for explaining why you were quitting, I think you had a very good reason for it and I fully understand. Good bye, thank you for making me laugh from time to time and that last sentence at the end was just pure gold 😂.
I just showed a friend on his discord your video. After your video got to the FAA cert part. He banned me. I stick to the XP fanbase being a group i still avoid
Just saw that you're stopping KZread. Wanted to let you know your channel had quickly become one my favourites. Your videos were well researched, informative and funny. That trade show looked pretty boring aside from the MSFS 2024 presentation (which has now restored my faith in it's features). Enjoy your flight simming and uninstalling XPlane. Take care o7
I've loved both Xplane and MSFS and even other flight sims, such as aerofly FS for as long as they've been around pretty much. Once FSX was getting really long in the tooth, I naturally became an XPlane user, as there really was nothing else to scratch my flightsim itch. For me flightsimming is about real feeling airplanes, but also for a large part about scenery that represents reality as much as it can. Xplane really started becoming my default sim since version 10 came out, There were new and exciting developments, and version 11 was even better, With a bunch of ortho and dem data, it can me made to look awesome. Of course 12 would've been awesome, if it weren't for the fact that MSFS came out, which instantly made XPlane look dated, Initially however, Xplane still had the upper hand in physics. But for me that's only part of the equation, so I still preferred MSFS. A few times a week there also these really fun group flights with the likes of TwotoneMurphy, The flying Fabio, etc. There's just nothing like that for Xplane. I'm sure that with the right amount of addons and stuff, you can appoximate the way Xplane looks compared to MSFS, but as demonstrated in this video, getting all that to work is a hobby all to itself.. something I've just about had enough of. I hope Laminar manages to streamline all that in one awesome product that you can just run and have fun. Now with MSFS 2024 on the horizon, Xplane is back to square one with the catchup game again. I really hope they manage to somewhat keep track, because competition is only good for us!
Is XPlane 11 better than FSX? Yes, but I was playing FSX when I was 7. It's old as shyte. XPlane is stuck in the 2010s, MSFS is miles ahead
Are u talking about Flight Dynamics ... Can I ask you how many real hours do you have and how many acft did u flew in your life?
I when I was younger around the year 2000 I was convinced I wanted to be a pilot. I earned about 14 hours that year but then life happened and I decided to enter The Air Force enlisted. It ate up all my time. Around the year 2004 I started training again earning and additional 8 hours, but then I went a long time with out flying. In 2017 I picked it back up only to decided the flight school was sketchy. I am a 42 year old adult who has wealthy friends with airplanes. There will be a real world 172 video coming out soon. I also have a video coming out in a few weeks about why I abandoned the idea of becoming a real world pilot. Thanks for watching.
So until you don't gain 1000+ h is better for you to stick with ur evaluation only for graphic or other comparison. Is a friendly suggestion. Ps. I stop watching after 1 min.
@@alexfly80 I will take you to heart thank you so very much for such a great suggestion. I will work tirelessly to earn your subscription and make sure that I hold your attention for more than 1 minute next time.
@alexfly80 Being a real pilot means jack shyte in the world of flight simulator development. Source: myself, an aeronautical engineer working in flight model development. We have always been advised to ignore inputs from real pilots, as they're knowledge of flight mechanics is inferior to an engineer's, and you have no knowledge of pushing an aircraft to it's real limit. You can only fly your aircraft within the restrictions written on your manual. Nothing you say carries any weight.
I use both sims and have spent much more time in MSFS until recently with XP12.1 and the one thing that shocked me jumping back into XP is just how much BETTER default airports look in XP compared to non custom made airports in MSFS that even lack any form of apron flood lighting at night and are completely dark. Yes MSFS does lots of visual things better than XP but not everything and I hope MSFS 2024 has better default airports. Also the scenery SDK in MSFS is an absolute pain where as editing a default airport in XP is super easy and straight forward. I HOPE MS/ASOBO improve this aspect.
Agree 100%, in my video 8 reasons I wasn't excited about the second FS2024 trailer. Reason number 6 is the fact they showed no default airports in the trailer, they I show how bad KPRC Prescott AZ is in MSFS2020. I was at Sim Expo today and there was not anything about it. I was hoping there would be a MSFS2024 demo but there was not.
Nice video! I highly recommend you check out the MFG Crosswind V3 if youre looking for some solid rudder pedals.👍
Value again, packing a lot in a single video! In a way, MSFS is providing a simple solution for arcade and 'deeper' flightsim. I tossed a lot of money into XP11 and checked XP12 to rediscover that ratio of time invested in making the sim look realistic to time to fly is probably 2.5 : 1.
Yeah, it felt like I was back in the FSX days again. I'd say that's about the right ratio. I'm going to do another video with Visual XP and MESH and then some split screen stuff... but first I have to do a sim expo video.
Wow ! Something worse than MSFS 2020....
Pretty soon you won’t have to install ortho and ortho 4 and ortho this and that and sim heaven and sim hell X plane will be incorporating orthos and Microsoft type satellite imagery in X plane this year Your installation efforts were noble and will be recorded in the history books So around Q4 the updates will be instituted into the main program like MSFS I think X plane got some hard knocks by people but they weren’t looking at the long term plans of Laminar MSFS may be a final product but x plane will continue to evolve over time. Not X plane 13 and 14 but continual updates to the base program The only problem x plane has now is trying to get companies to write for them. Everybody ran to MSFS and dropped X plane, now watch these same guys drop MSFS and run to MSFS 2024 At least X plane has Toliss and X Aviation in their corner. Airfoillabs is good too
Where is this info? I watched Laminar’s sim expo presentation and the only things mentioned were xplane store and cockpit shadows.
Bruh, at this point XP fanboys are just living in denial!! Was an XP user since XP10 and MSFS is just light years ahead of XP and no it’s not just in the eye candy department.
The argument is always that scenery doesn’t matter because the airplanes and flight dynamics are so good and the sim is so customizable.
I transitioned from Xplane to MSFS to avoid having to do this anymore. The ridiculous amount of space I need with crap to make the game look better is silly. I’m long done with it now.
Yeah it's kind of a pain. A lot of disk space. Something compels me to move forward. Thanks for watching.
I am so glad I am not picky over scenery.
Level D sims have terrible scenery.
X-Plane fanboy here. For me it was just the other way around ;-) Keyboard shortcuts are so engrained in our brains. Each have their strengths and weaknesses. I run a physical simulator with loads of custom hardware, so I depend on good software interfacing, which X-Plane excels at. I still have a regular look at MSFS, because apparently the API (SimConnect) is being developed further, but progress appears slow.
Yeah, people need x plane for more complex setups. I can see how it is much more customizable than MSFS. I think it’s unlikely they will ever cater to custom hardware builders. Some are getting results in MSFS. Commercial developers seem to be pushing MS and Asobo to support custom hardware. Thanks for watching.
as always, nice review, yeah i just tried out MSFS2020 and i have to say, I'm now attracted to it although i will probably start using it after i move away from my HD 620 graphics 😅
Appreciate it jost. Hd620 damn thats… some power.
@jostmathe, Glad YOU, just got out of X-Plane prison, See, I was right all along, telling YOU that MSFS 2020, is the best in the world, and I'm glad, YOU stopped throwing a temper tantrum, and grew up, and listened to ME.
@@saminaneen 😂 bro are how did you find me here ??? , anyways I love both of them but to me x plane still has better physics
I own active sky. But. Flight simulation is also about immersion. Active sky's horrible clouds and my-little-pony-kind-of-like rainbows kill immersion imo. What is the point of having realistic winds, turbulence and such when you have to look at those clouds and ludicrous rainbows? I regretted purchasing active sky almost right away. The only people I noticed enjoying those clouds are the geriatric trolls from avsim. Two words come to mind when I think of active sky. One is gross and the other one is shove.
Geriatric trolls from avsim. Thats a good description. There is too much wrong with active sky. I hoped it would be good like they cracked the code… but no. It’s rex weather force 3 years too late. Thanks for watching.
Do you actually fly in real life? You stated that xplane only has a slightly better flight model in certain situations - but the MSFS flight model is so terrible it completely knocked me out of shape for when I fly in real life, even had to go around once. xPlane's flight model is better in every aspect, MSFS doesn't even simulate airflow its all faked
Hey also if you need a new joystick I recommend the Virpil VPC WarBRD-D, thats the base then you can buy any stick thats compatible to put on it. They sell their own but I personally use the FSProjects a32x stick
I used to but not anymore. I’d like to find out a few things 1. What airplane. 2 when did you last try MSFS. 3. Why do people keep saying airflow is fake when Asobo continuously shows its computational fluid dynamics model. How do you fake CFD? I can agree ground handling on certain airplanes is problematic in MSFS. I can’t see how the any flight sim can benefit any pilot in real life. To me it’s all entertainment and the FAA apparently feels the same way only allowing 2.5 hrs of batd or aatd time to count towards a ppl or 10 hrs towards instrument rating. I’ll check out vipril thanks for watching?
@@NightTrainIndustries 1. Flight model isn't per airplane, it's per sim - the aircraft developer only has to fill out a config file with a low poly version of the aircraft used for simulations and information like weights, cgs, drag coefficients etc; so the airplane is irrelevant if the author of the addon has realistic data and uses this correctly. 2. Couple months ago, i still use it every now and then to make scenic shots 3. It's fake - it is not simulated and is pre-determined. This is why xplane has much poorer CPU performance, because the CPU is actually doing something...
@@tb46475 er, but XP12 is way easier on the CPU, isn't it? In MSFS I'm always bottlenecked by CPU, in XP12, the VRAM is the limit and CPU usage is much lower.
@@ScepticGinger89 xplane 12 thrives on single core performance, so you won’t see high total usage
After the latest MSFS update stutters are a thing of the past (finally!)...I watched an old P3D video I filmed when I first got my i9 9900k and the stuttering was horrendous, that was considered good at the time!
I get a smooth 85 fps in MSFS with a i7 13700 and 4080 super. So the relatively bad performance in X-plane gave me flash backs to the FSX days. Thanks for watching.
Having used Xplane 11, which I especially enjoyed when an Ultralight Gyrocopter came out, which flew exactly like gyro pilots who also were simmers told me it would, I remember the pain of going thru everything you did but once I had everything done, in ways it was more entertaining than MSFS is, especially flying over Arizona. Nonetheless, I feel MSFS, which I only run on an Xbox S, has so much content I enjoy, except for modeling copters and gyrocopters in a less authentic way then I feel Xplane does, in fact there is only one Gyro which I did not even buy knowing that some gyros can land in less than 25 feet. Your video is excellent. I would never tell someone not to buy Xplane. Only reason I do not use it anymore is my old computer died when lightning hit the corner of my apartment building and even killed my fridge. I did salvage its hard drive, but I decided when MSFS 2020 was announced that I would stay with one sim, if it fulfilled its ortho promises which it did. It only is poor when it comes to mesh in places like Guilin China or Angel Falls, near Venezuela and no third party has ever done anything for those places in Xbox. I had good freeware mesh for P3D for Angel Falls which I wanted because I flew there as a tourist in '90 in a twin piston engine Cessna Titan airliner.
Thanks john appreciate it! I think supporting laminar is a good thing. It’s a great time to be into flightsimming.
Great video.. Like you i have always been loyal to MS Flight Sims but i have had some curiosity about whats on the other side of the fence. this just confirms my thoughts.
Appreciate it. It takes a lot of mods but it’s good once you get it dialed in. Thanks for watching.
Xorganizer works. I used to manually do this until i got it. As for updates, if you have betas checked, every beta available you will be notified
Does it work automatically? Like if i just open xplane and not open auto ortho first? It forces the scenery packs.ini to always be in that same order or you have to run it to get the order right? 15 bucks is steep but this is an annoying problem.
@@NightTrainIndustries it's suppose to organize everything automatically. You can run different profiles. I have one profile with auto Ortho active and one without. That way I can run xplane with default scenery when I need to work on something. You should run xorganizer everytime you add scenery only. After that, if you use auto Ortho, just run it first before xplane. I use map enhancement XP instead of auto Ortho now as it's a cleaner, simpler and more polished than auto Ortho.
Yeah, I'm financially challenged. As a long time X plane user, I dumped it. Even though I do own X plane 12 and 1 airplane. I just could not justify the financial burden of trying to maintain both Sims. So I had to make a choice. I went with Microsoft Flight Simulator because all the add Ons that I have purchased will carry over to Microsoft flight simulator 2024. Whereas the X plane ecosystem since X plane 10 for me anyway. Every time there Is a new version I have to rebuy my aircraft all over again if you want them to Function at their best possible fidelity. Sadly, as desktop aviators it locks us into a box. unless, of course, you've got the financial means to carry both Sims. Looking forward to FS2024. Cheers.
Im finding that x-plane in this final configuration is good for GA. I think there will be some exciting news tomorrow regarding MSFS2024. Thanks for watching.
I criticized your review before, and i will do it again. While I do respect your opinion, I think you are very biased in favour of the MSFS series. Notice how you never made a good edition on the transition to X-Plane 12.
Fair enough. I don’t fully understand the last sentence. Never made a good edition? You mean a video that was only positive about X-Plane?
That's because Xplane blows
Zibo 737!!!!! Is best!!!
It’s good. The best… debatable.