If anyone has a problem with the reset and that trigger do not release the striker in one per 3-4 uses: I replaced before my lower to L size and it seems, it was adding additional pressure to the trigger assembly side plate, which was preventing this plate to pop up at reset point and stuck a little. When returned to original, stock lower, everything works perfectly. I will try later to grind down this plastic part of this L lower...
@xAeschylusx10 күн бұрын
So this kit works just by lightening the springs? I’m trying to understand what’s all involved in making this a lighter pull Is there anything else that could by honed or polished to further decrease the pull weight?
@couldwhaty186511 күн бұрын
Just yesterday I've installed the spring kit. Dunno about lbs, but in kilos - trigger dropped from 2.35 to 1.7 kg. Stock trigger on mine was very tough, even to the point i got problems shooting consistent 10 round groups at 25m. Now it works great. To change the spring set took me about an hour, watching video instructions few time. Sear set was tricky, but real struggle was to get a striker spring changed. My echelon got about 2,5 thousand rounds through it before, but it is very tightly fitted. But overall, PRP spring set gets the job done, today I've put 200 rounds to check if it works correctly, and it feels amazing, but still maintains that duty style. I highly recommend it.
@timbevers20214 күн бұрын
Is this the same as installation on the Hellcat Pro?
@Slasherx2818 күн бұрын
I installed this and tested today. Trigger is great. But I’m having an issue where my slide is now locking fully back after every other round. Anybody know what might be the problem and where I may have messed up during install? It’s not my grip or ammo, as I’ve shouted 1k+ rounds prior to install without any issues.
@Slasherx2818 күн бұрын
UPDATE - the slide stop lever spring fell out during disassembly. To anyone watching this, when removing the slide stop lever, ensure that you don’t lose lever spring. It’s a small spring and the video doesn’t mention that the spring can come off the lever. It’s a very small spring attached to the lever.
@eddyb686520 күн бұрын
Will this work with a xdm 3.8 45 compact. Non elite version
@michaelojile2956Ай бұрын
Just finished my install. Took about 2 hours. 45 of those minutes were spent unable to move the trigger bar screw on the trigger shoe. I called PRP, Daniel picked up and talked me through using a vise for it and it was a breeze. Pretty awesome to get help immediately during the process. Big shout out to Daniel and PRP. I’m loving the trigger already and had no issues shooting 200 rounds right after. I used the entire PRP kit. Took over a pound off the trigger pull and the reset is just fine.
@brianmackey5130Ай бұрын
Like others, I wasn’t so sure that I wanted to try this either. But, with a bit of extra time and, Daniel’s expert instructions, the install went pretty smoothly. Great feel to the pull now. Thanks PRP!!
@xring100Ай бұрын
Worked amazing feels much better than the stock heavy squishy trigger with no defined breakpoint. its now smooth and crisp
@Stussy2314Ай бұрын
Which spring is the lighter spring? The blue spring or the silver spring?
@richstella2741Ай бұрын
Awesome
@charlesglegg7330Ай бұрын
THREE WEEKS LATER!!! I too was in the bitch about the reset but it has made me a better shooter. Not sure a new person would dig it. As to hearing the click I can't its tough sometimes and that before hearing pro! This has really upped my focus which has helped my game. And while I would rather take a public spanking in my underwear before taking that CLOG apart again to change back to OEM. But I understand why some folks will.Fast Times and Safe Trails.
@harpomarx7777Ай бұрын
Installed the entire kit except the trigger return spring. Reset is indeed about one RCH longer, but not enough to fret about. Getting everything lined up ... sear, safety sear, lifter, disconnect, and those darned springs was a three cup/four cigarette job. Glad I did it. Climbing the wall is just so smooth and effortless and the break is clean. I winged the striker safety spring; directions don't cover it at all. All in all, about three hours and rough on the fingers. In the end, worth it.
@chaguie07171959Ай бұрын
I almost passed out watching you take off so many tiny little parts and then putting them back together. I like my Original Factory Echelon trigger tactile reset and with the Powder River Precision Trigger Kit you loose the tactile reset. The tactile reset is more important to me than reducing the trigger pull by 2-3lbs.
@peterdarlington411720 күн бұрын
Where you getting 2-3 pounds? It only reduced it by about 1 pound.
@johnnynguyen944913 күн бұрын
@@peterdarlington4117 stock trigger pull is 5.5 pounds, this takes it down to 3-3.5 pounds
@jedeckert95252 ай бұрын
I never realized how bad the trigger was until today. Shooting multiple guns (echelon and a custom p80) . It felt like a sponge with unpredictable break.
@linosepulvedajr28082 ай бұрын
Where can I get those punch tools with the ball handle?
@jtrawson4422 ай бұрын
All that and never got to see him pull and reset the trigger in camera view. Wow
@sovereignjea2 ай бұрын
Old video but I just did this and I must say, bravo. This is the hardest trigger swap I've ever done. My hc pro is new, tight, and the trigger was somehow worse than OEM Glock. Now my trigger is like smooth freshly windexed glass. This is what I needed, to warrant keeping my hellcat and not trading it for a SIG. Thank you guys.
@j8nkies202 ай бұрын
I installed their trigger kit on my XDsc and really like it. I'll be ordering a kit for my HC very soon. Glad to hear things worked out for you.
@sovereignjea2 ай бұрын
@@j8nkies20 keeping all the parts together while installing was kind of a booger, but I'm a caveman with big hands. Smaller, more dextrous hands should have easy work with this swap. I'm just a knuckle draggin gun guy, if I can do it, you can too. You got this 🤗
@recreate320422 күн бұрын
How has the trigger been? Shoot many rounds with it? Any hiccups?
@sovereignjea22 күн бұрын
@@recreate3204 absolutely no hiccups. Turned my HC into a tack driver. Even the range officers made positive commentary about how well I was shooting. "I wish everyone could shoot like that." And I didn't even realize I destroyed the center circle (3 inch circle) of the target. I'm impressed. They were impressed. Best modification I've ever done to ANY gun. Don't hesitate bro, get it and get after it.
@syrusdvirus29512 ай бұрын
Made it look so easy to put back together. I can see myself losing parts and mixing things up already. Might just find a local gunsmith. Great video tho.
@TheAverageJoeGunShow3 ай бұрын
👍🏻
@kevinmeyer7344 ай бұрын
In the video he clearly has an audible reset. Why would anyone else’s be different?
@randyr554 ай бұрын
You put the sear pin in backwards. The red dot should be on the safety side of the frame.
@saltsea94994 ай бұрын
Any issues with light primer strikes on hard primers?
@CivilianDefense3174 ай бұрын
Love ya'lls trigger upgrades!! Looking for sponsors 🙏 😊
@2013Dcb4 ай бұрын
Excellent video
@rastaz2344 ай бұрын
What is that U-notch brand? I am looking for exacly the same for my XDM.
@pimpdaddy2kool5 ай бұрын
Seeing videos like this makes me amazed how Glock is so simple to disassemble and reassemble.
@ThePatriotQuya5 ай бұрын
Very happy with the spring kit, from 4-4.25lbs to 3.25lbs consistently
@OuterHeavenTactical5 ай бұрын
To anyone whom doesn't like the reset after installing the powder river trigger kit, instead of using the powder river trigger spring use the OEM trigger spring. Breaks right around 3.75 lbs but with a faster stronger reset
@lon2425 ай бұрын
Thanks, great tip. How's your trigger, been holding up?
@OuterHeavenTactical5 ай бұрын
@@lon242 perfect, now continuously breaks at 3.5 lbs and I haven't had one issue with the reset in around 500 rds. I even swapped the springs again a few days ago to just do a trial and sure enough doing bill drills usually the 4th or 5th shot id get a dead trigger, so I swapped back to OEM spring and haven't had the issue since.
@seanpope-mccarthy83165 ай бұрын
my disconnector pin didnt just fall out
@714SNF6 ай бұрын
how to remove disconnector?
@TriggerTalesTV6 ай бұрын
Hi PRP, why is it NOT necessary to install the striker safety lever spring with the new kit?
@LaPistolerie7 ай бұрын
Happy to report that this kit works and feels great. I was a bit concerned after reading about reset issues in other comments, but I just went ahead and installed it anyway, dry fired it about a hundred times and shot nearly 300 live rounds without a single issue. Also the longer reset doesn't bother me. I'd recommend taking pictures of the original sear/safety assembly prior to taking everything apart because it's a bit of a pain to put back together and the video doesn't do the best job of showing it in detail.
@unitedwestanddividedwefall35217 ай бұрын
You guys are amazing for already releasing a new trigger kit. My question is do your new springs effect the reliability of the echelon? Like possible light primer strikes etc? Thank you.
@maximustrevino57637 ай бұрын
Why does me keep getting stuck after applying sear? The sear seems like its not sitting correctly so when i push down on it, the safty grip just stays stuck. This happened the 3rd time already and honestly im scared 😱
@TeeWill947 ай бұрын
the echelon trigger is already good out the box i dont see the point most people won’t even realize the small creep it has when pulling the trigger cause the reset is short and tactile from the stock trigger
@unitedwestanddividedwefall35217 ай бұрын
Agreed. But the shoe is sexy.
@myzuc63857 ай бұрын
Excellent easy to follow instructions. I installed the spring kit without the trigger shoe and not only did it reduce the factory pretravel, but it brought my stock trigger from 4.5 lbs to exactly 3.5lbs. I couldn’t be happier with the improved performance of my Echelon.
@unitedwestanddividedwefall35217 ай бұрын
Interesting, why did you skip the trigger shoe?
@myzuc63857 ай бұрын
I'll be using this as a defensive firearm and i wanted more pretravel than the replacement trigger shoe offers. If I were using it for competition, I would definitely change the trigger shoe and reduce pretravel even more. For me, it's perfect with just the spring change.
@808G8GT7 ай бұрын
I just installed mine, exactly like this video...I get ZERO click or tactile feel on the reset. The trigger does reset where I can pull it like normal. It just doesn't have an audible / tactile reset. Should I be concerned? I haven't fired the gun yet. I actually took it apart and re installed it twice since I thought I did something wrong. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
@venomgt72997 ай бұрын
I have a 45acp xdm elite. I think these triggers are only for 9mm and 10mm unfortunately
@CallofWar57 ай бұрын
I installed this trigger and followed his instructions closely. And passes all functions check. The reset is noticeably longer and soft. But the travel is shorter and break is lighter and more crisp. Also the trigger has issues resseting properly after shooting live rounds and i cannot get it to fail a reset while dry firing the trigger. Any ideas from anyone on the issue? It may sometimes take 3 extra pulls to get the trigger to reset so it can fire again. While sometimes it will reset properly, but by and large it will fail multiple trigger pulls before a reset.
@unitedwestanddividedwefall35217 ай бұрын
Woah not good fam.
@unitedwestanddividedwefall35217 ай бұрын
Hopefully these guys respond with an answer to remedy this.
@uspsatim75327 ай бұрын
Yup...I'm having the EXACT SAME PROBLEM!!! Installed the PRP Trigger kit (new springs and trigger Shoe) and all function tests and dryfire testing appeared 100% good to go. Went out and shot a USPSA match last weekend without range testing with live ammo first (didn't have time before the match)...maybe 75% of my shots REQUIRED MULTIPLE TRIGGER PULLS to fire a shot!!! Fast forward to several days after the match and just got done doing a teardown and inspection on the pistol, the trigger module, and all trigger parts. Looks like the PRP trigger spring might be too light and not pulling the trigger bar back up into the proper position reliably in order to engage and activate the sear to release the firing pin on each trigger pull. Going to reinstall the original Springfield trigger spring to see if that fixes the problem. Have not had time to call PRP to discuss and with the holidays it will be a week or so before I can range test before my next match. The pistol was working just fine with all the original stock trigger parts. I had shot one USPSA match with it before making any mods and also did some range testing and training, probably shot about 300 rounds before any mods and everything functioned 100% with no problems. I've also modified and built triggers for many other platforms (Glocks, CZs, AR15s, AK47s, etc), so I have a pretty good working knowledge of triggers. While I appreciate the installation video PRP did...I thought they glossed or were too quick on many important points about how to reinstall the Echelon trigger with PRP parts and ensure proper assembly and function. While the internals of the Echelon are new to me, as mentioned above I do have a pretty extensive knowledge of how triggers work and how to disassemble, reassemble, and modify. I had to watch and rewatch the PRP video many, many, times in order to ensure I understood the inter-relationship of all the trigger parts in the Echelon and how to properly assemble. I've also read on many forums where users just gave up after attempting to do the trigger upgrade work themselves and went to a gunsmith to complete the installation...so doing this trigger work is not for the faint of heart!!!
@chrisg87067 ай бұрын
The trigger return spring in this kit sucked, i believe they took it out of the spring kit. I run all the other springs with the factory trigger return spring and so far so good
@martymabry7207 ай бұрын
Will yall make a plate for the RMRCC?
@phillipcraddock82488 ай бұрын
We always got to F with the trigger,,,,,,,,,,,,,ALWAYS
@OuterHeavenTactical8 ай бұрын
How comes no install of the striker safety spring?
@jeromes583 ай бұрын
Same question here. The kit received April 2024 included a new striker safety spring.
@OuterHeavenTactical3 ай бұрын
@@jeromes58 its easy to install, have you got it taken care of?
@jeromes583 ай бұрын
@@OuterHeavenTactical yes, just surprised the video does not cover the spring as part of the kit.
@Slasherx2819 күн бұрын
The video didn’t cover it so I didn’t install the striker safety spring that it came with. Should I be worried?
@OuterHeavenTactical19 күн бұрын
@@Slasherx28the only thing it'll change is the pill weight slightly, basically with it your looking at 3-3.25lb pull and without it 3.5
@stevenkendell11348 ай бұрын
Watch this video, carefully. Now take the COG apart and watch the reassembly part of the video, again. If you have a fair amount of mechanical aptitude it won't be too hard to install this kit, either with the trigger shoe, or the kit without the shoe. With just the springs I reduced my trigger pull by 1 lb. 4 oz. After I installed the trigger shoe I lost another pound of pull for a total loss of 2 ¼ lbs. Honestly the most difficult thing for me was getting the striker safety & spring reinstalled and then the striker locking plate back on the slide.
@unitedwestanddividedwefall35217 ай бұрын
Springfield has one of the most complicated sear/safety set ups. My M&P was stupid simple. My xdm elite is just like the echelon. Very intimidating with all those small parts.
@stephenyeung63416 күн бұрын
I’m mechanically inclined and I watched the video, but I wish they had an exploded parts diagram and zoomed in more. The sear/safety was a pain in the butt. It would have been nicer if the parts nested together. Then again, that would probably lead to more friction.
@MrBoricua19848 ай бұрын
Good stuff. Definitely interested. I’ll probably just get the shoe since that still reduces movement by itself. Is the wall more crisp/defined? Factory’s is kind of mushy, or almost rolling. I prefer a hard wall.
@mercedg7 ай бұрын
Someone please respond to this because this is such a great question. I’m experiencing the same thing
@nick-trish4 ай бұрын
I've put 1k through my factory, and it sucks. Like you say... It has a long rolling wall that I can't stand. Also mine has a non-existent reset! I ordered the PRP, so I'll give an update.
@BIGBADBOW8 ай бұрын
Is the reset shorter?
@HoodRatDiesel8 ай бұрын
Reset appears to be much longer but take up and creep appear shorter
@BIGBADBOW8 ай бұрын
I got it installed reset is a lot longer and soft not sure if I'm gonna keep it might return to stock
@logangoodman52418 ай бұрын
I can not get the trigger return spring onto the trigger bar. The end on my spring is significantly smaller than the one shown in the video.
@unitedwestanddividedwefall35217 ай бұрын
Try running a roll punch of a bigger diameter to open up the spring fam. Something similar to you happened to me years back trying to install a spring.
@reddirttactical8 ай бұрын
Cant wait to order one. looks great
@brianjkeene9 ай бұрын
Is the reset weaker? If so, could we use just the shoe to maintain the factory reset “power”
@unitedwestanddividedwefall35217 ай бұрын
My guess is that’s probably the best thing to do. All I want is the shoe. Not concerned about the springs.
@OuterHeavenTactical5 ай бұрын
Tell ya what I did, instead of using powder rivers trigger spring I used the OEM trigger spring it came with. Breaks around 3.75 lbs and the reset is stronger and faster
@unitedwestanddividedwefall35215 ай бұрын
@@OuterHeavenTactical that’s what I did with my s&w m&p. I kept the factory springs and just added the flat face trigger. Don’t have a gauge but the trigger is amazing.
@tacmed19 ай бұрын
Daniel, when will these be available on the website?
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If anyone has a problem with the reset and that trigger do not release the striker in one per 3-4 uses: I replaced before my lower to L size and it seems, it was adding additional pressure to the trigger assembly side plate, which was preventing this plate to pop up at reset point and stuck a little. When returned to original, stock lower, everything works perfectly. I will try later to grind down this plastic part of this L lower...
So this kit works just by lightening the springs? I’m trying to understand what’s all involved in making this a lighter pull Is there anything else that could by honed or polished to further decrease the pull weight?
Just yesterday I've installed the spring kit. Dunno about lbs, but in kilos - trigger dropped from 2.35 to 1.7 kg. Stock trigger on mine was very tough, even to the point i got problems shooting consistent 10 round groups at 25m. Now it works great. To change the spring set took me about an hour, watching video instructions few time. Sear set was tricky, but real struggle was to get a striker spring changed. My echelon got about 2,5 thousand rounds through it before, but it is very tightly fitted. But overall, PRP spring set gets the job done, today I've put 200 rounds to check if it works correctly, and it feels amazing, but still maintains that duty style. I highly recommend it.
Is this the same as installation on the Hellcat Pro?
I installed this and tested today. Trigger is great. But I’m having an issue where my slide is now locking fully back after every other round. Anybody know what might be the problem and where I may have messed up during install? It’s not my grip or ammo, as I’ve shouted 1k+ rounds prior to install without any issues.
UPDATE - the slide stop lever spring fell out during disassembly. To anyone watching this, when removing the slide stop lever, ensure that you don’t lose lever spring. It’s a small spring and the video doesn’t mention that the spring can come off the lever. It’s a very small spring attached to the lever.
Will this work with a xdm 3.8 45 compact. Non elite version
Just finished my install. Took about 2 hours. 45 of those minutes were spent unable to move the trigger bar screw on the trigger shoe. I called PRP, Daniel picked up and talked me through using a vise for it and it was a breeze. Pretty awesome to get help immediately during the process. Big shout out to Daniel and PRP. I’m loving the trigger already and had no issues shooting 200 rounds right after. I used the entire PRP kit. Took over a pound off the trigger pull and the reset is just fine.
Like others, I wasn’t so sure that I wanted to try this either. But, with a bit of extra time and, Daniel’s expert instructions, the install went pretty smoothly. Great feel to the pull now. Thanks PRP!!
Worked amazing feels much better than the stock heavy squishy trigger with no defined breakpoint. its now smooth and crisp
Which spring is the lighter spring? The blue spring or the silver spring?
Awesome
THREE WEEKS LATER!!! I too was in the bitch about the reset but it has made me a better shooter. Not sure a new person would dig it. As to hearing the click I can't its tough sometimes and that before hearing pro! This has really upped my focus which has helped my game. And while I would rather take a public spanking in my underwear before taking that CLOG apart again to change back to OEM. But I understand why some folks will.Fast Times and Safe Trails.
Installed the entire kit except the trigger return spring. Reset is indeed about one RCH longer, but not enough to fret about. Getting everything lined up ... sear, safety sear, lifter, disconnect, and those darned springs was a three cup/four cigarette job. Glad I did it. Climbing the wall is just so smooth and effortless and the break is clean. I winged the striker safety spring; directions don't cover it at all. All in all, about three hours and rough on the fingers. In the end, worth it.
I almost passed out watching you take off so many tiny little parts and then putting them back together. I like my Original Factory Echelon trigger tactile reset and with the Powder River Precision Trigger Kit you loose the tactile reset. The tactile reset is more important to me than reducing the trigger pull by 2-3lbs.
Where you getting 2-3 pounds? It only reduced it by about 1 pound.
@@peterdarlington4117 stock trigger pull is 5.5 pounds, this takes it down to 3-3.5 pounds
I never realized how bad the trigger was until today. Shooting multiple guns (echelon and a custom p80) . It felt like a sponge with unpredictable break.
Where can I get those punch tools with the ball handle?
All that and never got to see him pull and reset the trigger in camera view. Wow
Old video but I just did this and I must say, bravo. This is the hardest trigger swap I've ever done. My hc pro is new, tight, and the trigger was somehow worse than OEM Glock. Now my trigger is like smooth freshly windexed glass. This is what I needed, to warrant keeping my hellcat and not trading it for a SIG. Thank you guys.
I installed their trigger kit on my XDsc and really like it. I'll be ordering a kit for my HC very soon. Glad to hear things worked out for you.
@@j8nkies20 keeping all the parts together while installing was kind of a booger, but I'm a caveman with big hands. Smaller, more dextrous hands should have easy work with this swap. I'm just a knuckle draggin gun guy, if I can do it, you can too. You got this 🤗
How has the trigger been? Shoot many rounds with it? Any hiccups?
@@recreate3204 absolutely no hiccups. Turned my HC into a tack driver. Even the range officers made positive commentary about how well I was shooting. "I wish everyone could shoot like that." And I didn't even realize I destroyed the center circle (3 inch circle) of the target. I'm impressed. They were impressed. Best modification I've ever done to ANY gun. Don't hesitate bro, get it and get after it.
Made it look so easy to put back together. I can see myself losing parts and mixing things up already. Might just find a local gunsmith. Great video tho.
👍🏻
In the video he clearly has an audible reset. Why would anyone else’s be different?
You put the sear pin in backwards. The red dot should be on the safety side of the frame.
Any issues with light primer strikes on hard primers?
Love ya'lls trigger upgrades!! Looking for sponsors 🙏 😊
Excellent video
What is that U-notch brand? I am looking for exacly the same for my XDM.
Seeing videos like this makes me amazed how Glock is so simple to disassemble and reassemble.
Very happy with the spring kit, from 4-4.25lbs to 3.25lbs consistently
To anyone whom doesn't like the reset after installing the powder river trigger kit, instead of using the powder river trigger spring use the OEM trigger spring. Breaks right around 3.75 lbs but with a faster stronger reset
Thanks, great tip. How's your trigger, been holding up?
@@lon242 perfect, now continuously breaks at 3.5 lbs and I haven't had one issue with the reset in around 500 rds. I even swapped the springs again a few days ago to just do a trial and sure enough doing bill drills usually the 4th or 5th shot id get a dead trigger, so I swapped back to OEM spring and haven't had the issue since.
my disconnector pin didnt just fall out
how to remove disconnector?
Hi PRP, why is it NOT necessary to install the striker safety lever spring with the new kit?
Happy to report that this kit works and feels great. I was a bit concerned after reading about reset issues in other comments, but I just went ahead and installed it anyway, dry fired it about a hundred times and shot nearly 300 live rounds without a single issue. Also the longer reset doesn't bother me. I'd recommend taking pictures of the original sear/safety assembly prior to taking everything apart because it's a bit of a pain to put back together and the video doesn't do the best job of showing it in detail.
You guys are amazing for already releasing a new trigger kit. My question is do your new springs effect the reliability of the echelon? Like possible light primer strikes etc? Thank you.
Why does me keep getting stuck after applying sear? The sear seems like its not sitting correctly so when i push down on it, the safty grip just stays stuck. This happened the 3rd time already and honestly im scared 😱
the echelon trigger is already good out the box i dont see the point most people won’t even realize the small creep it has when pulling the trigger cause the reset is short and tactile from the stock trigger
Agreed. But the shoe is sexy.
Excellent easy to follow instructions. I installed the spring kit without the trigger shoe and not only did it reduce the factory pretravel, but it brought my stock trigger from 4.5 lbs to exactly 3.5lbs. I couldn’t be happier with the improved performance of my Echelon.
Interesting, why did you skip the trigger shoe?
I'll be using this as a defensive firearm and i wanted more pretravel than the replacement trigger shoe offers. If I were using it for competition, I would definitely change the trigger shoe and reduce pretravel even more. For me, it's perfect with just the spring change.
I just installed mine, exactly like this video...I get ZERO click or tactile feel on the reset. The trigger does reset where I can pull it like normal. It just doesn't have an audible / tactile reset. Should I be concerned? I haven't fired the gun yet. I actually took it apart and re installed it twice since I thought I did something wrong. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
I have a 45acp xdm elite. I think these triggers are only for 9mm and 10mm unfortunately
I installed this trigger and followed his instructions closely. And passes all functions check. The reset is noticeably longer and soft. But the travel is shorter and break is lighter and more crisp. Also the trigger has issues resseting properly after shooting live rounds and i cannot get it to fail a reset while dry firing the trigger. Any ideas from anyone on the issue? It may sometimes take 3 extra pulls to get the trigger to reset so it can fire again. While sometimes it will reset properly, but by and large it will fail multiple trigger pulls before a reset.
Woah not good fam.
Hopefully these guys respond with an answer to remedy this.
Yup...I'm having the EXACT SAME PROBLEM!!! Installed the PRP Trigger kit (new springs and trigger Shoe) and all function tests and dryfire testing appeared 100% good to go. Went out and shot a USPSA match last weekend without range testing with live ammo first (didn't have time before the match)...maybe 75% of my shots REQUIRED MULTIPLE TRIGGER PULLS to fire a shot!!! Fast forward to several days after the match and just got done doing a teardown and inspection on the pistol, the trigger module, and all trigger parts. Looks like the PRP trigger spring might be too light and not pulling the trigger bar back up into the proper position reliably in order to engage and activate the sear to release the firing pin on each trigger pull. Going to reinstall the original Springfield trigger spring to see if that fixes the problem. Have not had time to call PRP to discuss and with the holidays it will be a week or so before I can range test before my next match. The pistol was working just fine with all the original stock trigger parts. I had shot one USPSA match with it before making any mods and also did some range testing and training, probably shot about 300 rounds before any mods and everything functioned 100% with no problems. I've also modified and built triggers for many other platforms (Glocks, CZs, AR15s, AK47s, etc), so I have a pretty good working knowledge of triggers. While I appreciate the installation video PRP did...I thought they glossed or were too quick on many important points about how to reinstall the Echelon trigger with PRP parts and ensure proper assembly and function. While the internals of the Echelon are new to me, as mentioned above I do have a pretty extensive knowledge of how triggers work and how to disassemble, reassemble, and modify. I had to watch and rewatch the PRP video many, many, times in order to ensure I understood the inter-relationship of all the trigger parts in the Echelon and how to properly assemble. I've also read on many forums where users just gave up after attempting to do the trigger upgrade work themselves and went to a gunsmith to complete the installation...so doing this trigger work is not for the faint of heart!!!
The trigger return spring in this kit sucked, i believe they took it out of the spring kit. I run all the other springs with the factory trigger return spring and so far so good
Will yall make a plate for the RMRCC?
We always got to F with the trigger,,,,,,,,,,,,,ALWAYS
How comes no install of the striker safety spring?
Same question here. The kit received April 2024 included a new striker safety spring.
@@jeromes58 its easy to install, have you got it taken care of?
@@OuterHeavenTactical yes, just surprised the video does not cover the spring as part of the kit.
The video didn’t cover it so I didn’t install the striker safety spring that it came with. Should I be worried?
@@Slasherx28the only thing it'll change is the pill weight slightly, basically with it your looking at 3-3.25lb pull and without it 3.5
Watch this video, carefully. Now take the COG apart and watch the reassembly part of the video, again. If you have a fair amount of mechanical aptitude it won't be too hard to install this kit, either with the trigger shoe, or the kit without the shoe. With just the springs I reduced my trigger pull by 1 lb. 4 oz. After I installed the trigger shoe I lost another pound of pull for a total loss of 2 ¼ lbs. Honestly the most difficult thing for me was getting the striker safety & spring reinstalled and then the striker locking plate back on the slide.
Springfield has one of the most complicated sear/safety set ups. My M&P was stupid simple. My xdm elite is just like the echelon. Very intimidating with all those small parts.
I’m mechanically inclined and I watched the video, but I wish they had an exploded parts diagram and zoomed in more. The sear/safety was a pain in the butt. It would have been nicer if the parts nested together. Then again, that would probably lead to more friction.
Good stuff. Definitely interested. I’ll probably just get the shoe since that still reduces movement by itself. Is the wall more crisp/defined? Factory’s is kind of mushy, or almost rolling. I prefer a hard wall.
Someone please respond to this because this is such a great question. I’m experiencing the same thing
I've put 1k through my factory, and it sucks. Like you say... It has a long rolling wall that I can't stand. Also mine has a non-existent reset! I ordered the PRP, so I'll give an update.
Is the reset shorter?
Reset appears to be much longer but take up and creep appear shorter
I got it installed reset is a lot longer and soft not sure if I'm gonna keep it might return to stock
I can not get the trigger return spring onto the trigger bar. The end on my spring is significantly smaller than the one shown in the video.
Try running a roll punch of a bigger diameter to open up the spring fam. Something similar to you happened to me years back trying to install a spring.
Cant wait to order one. looks great
Is the reset weaker? If so, could we use just the shoe to maintain the factory reset “power”
My guess is that’s probably the best thing to do. All I want is the shoe. Not concerned about the springs.
Tell ya what I did, instead of using powder rivers trigger spring I used the OEM trigger spring it came with. Breaks around 3.75 lbs and the reset is stronger and faster
@@OuterHeavenTactical that’s what I did with my s&w m&p. I kept the factory springs and just added the flat face trigger. Don’t have a gauge but the trigger is amazing.
Daniel, when will these be available on the website?