I'm just a model aviation enthusiast who focuses on building from scratch. I love to share my techniques and explore new stuff too. My aim is to inspire others to try their hand at building flying works of art, not just your average foamie.
Koverall is my favorite covering process. Working with fabric is almost therapeutic to me. The smell of actual dope causes some problems in my household so I started sealing the fabric with Polycrylic instead. I have done a half dozen planes now this way and it works very well without all the fumes.
@JimmyC_2112Күн бұрын
You are so right about the smell and sound of glow fuel. Every time I smell a glow engine I'm a kid again. Every so often someone will bring out an .049 and I'm transported to 1980 , I'm 13 flying a Sterling profile "Miss San Bernardino" with a Cox Black widow, mouse racing my cousin in the parking lot of Jack Sheiks hobby shop on a Saturday morning. Clear dope has the same effect. Looking forward to your next build
@bigadd43Күн бұрын
Cant wait to see the kaos build i cant get one shipping cost too much for me im in Australia
@JoshuaOrchardКүн бұрын
awe too bad man. I've seen several Kaos builds over the years. They never seem to disappoint in the air so if you ever have the chance to snag one, don't pass it up.
@bigadd43Күн бұрын
Kaos are awesome i really want to build one of the old school works models that or there Q500
@modelmanfrank2 күн бұрын
Just put wind midgation on it
@jollyroger22262 күн бұрын
Interesting update about your Minuette. When you resolve your flight issues - I hope you will post the results. Best of luck with all of your projects. ( You have some great looking scale things going on! )
@JoshuaOrchardКүн бұрын
I absolutely will. I just need a solid few flights to iron things out.
@suterfamily55782 күн бұрын
I remember building a balsa model on my building board that I stored on top of my mom's hutch. At the time my models were rubber powered biplanes with short wingspans and I could hide the board and everything behind the molding at the top of the hutch. After dinner, I would race to clear the dining room table (my brother and sister could be lazy on those days!) so I could then stand on one of the chairs and bring the board down to continue glueing on stringers to build the fuselage, I must've been around 9 years old at the time. My dad asked me if I was going to use dope on the model and I was floored!! I couldn't believe he knew what dope was! He then brought out some pictures taken is the late 1940's and early 1950's of my deceased grandfather building some 5-6 foot wingspan free-flight powered models that he had designed and built from scratch! All covered with tissue paper and dope and built on my grandmothers' kitchen table after dinner was over. My grandfather passed away when I was only 3 and had no idea he had the same hobby as me until that evening when I was about 9; I wish I knew him better.......
@JoshuaOrchardКүн бұрын
What a great family story!
@davidkenyon54442 күн бұрын
Like walking thru a wet fart, perfect day to spend in the workshop lol!
@JoshuaOrchardКүн бұрын
Yep! As flying time becomes more scarce during the summer time, I tend to start my projects, I'll go flying again in the autumn and then hit things hard during the winter months too.
@thercbarn50012 күн бұрын
That's cool. I did my flyin king last winter and covered it with sig coverall and brodack dope. It was my second attempt and it came out great! Sad to see the sse go away. I'm going to restore my sse twin this winter that's 7 years old this season. I'm going to do some upgrades and change up the covering scheme. It'll be neat to see your take on covering more traditional this year. Mike
@JoshuaOrchardКүн бұрын
Great to know! Like I said, I'm not great with any sort of covering film but this is a technique I really need to master for the next big project. It'll be a good one. I PROMISE.
@thercbarn5001Күн бұрын
@JoshuaOrchard cool. I love all the different techniques you can use with a dope finish. I'm going to recover a sig kougar in dope and I'm hoping to get a nicer finish then with monokote.
@easystar1232 күн бұрын
Brilliant video, enjoyed watching this and so well presented. Im 60 years of age, will soon be 61 and im flying rc model glow planes since 1986, thats 38 years ago. I belong to my local club and I love flying as much now as i did when i first started at the age of 22. Regardless of my flying abilities ive always kept a high wing trainer in my hangar. The two that i have is a Great Planes Avistar Elite which is an advanced trainer and the other is the World Models Super Frontier Senior, a Chinese copy of the Sig Kadet Senior. I bought it 14 years ago and its still got the same Saito 72 on board . I love that plane. Because i live in Ireland i tried at the time to buy a Sig Kadet Senior but failed, but was able to purchase this plane instead. I wouldn't rule out buying a Sig Kadet Senior if it became available to me. They are such a relaxing plane to fly. Id say the Sig Kadet has better covering for sure. The Super Frontier Senior is well built but the covering is not good. Its called Toughlon and its very thin. As i write this message im in the process of recovering my Super Frontier Senior with Oracover which is Ultracote in the USA. I would have preferred Monocote as i love that covering, but it is no longer in production. My advice to anyone is, buy a Sig Kadet Senior if you can get one and you will be glad you did.
@PickMe_Gaming3 күн бұрын
do you have a video that attach the servo from that mount?
@PickMe_Gaming3 күн бұрын
where can I attach the servo?
@dradden15565 күн бұрын
Very cool 👍
@daviddavids28847 күн бұрын
such a dum defective, floaty, ANTIQUE design.! bleh all those guys make a LOT of drag. this is an example of a full-size design feature that should NOT be scaled down. 0219 ailerons are small. and, all of the area of the wing trailing edge that is stationary DAMPS responses to aileron inputs. when the model is level, the main landing gear Should be located directly below the wing leading edge. this is an example of FLAWED original design.! imo, it is the opposite of smart to replicate original Mistakes in a design, for the sake of scale accuracy. 0300 because...... wut 0310 if i had a prop strike..... wut 0316 make sure..... wut
@gogianyee50027 күн бұрын
Keep the stabilization off until you resolve your aileron control issue. Try setting differential aileron control- more Up aileron instead of down aileron throws. Some wings don’t like down aileron throw which causes more drag than roll.
8 күн бұрын
Great stuff. How does the sensor hook up to the air side?
@suterfamily55789 күн бұрын
Hey Josh, (edit: after looking at the video I can see that the receiver is an x8r) what model/manufacturer is the pressure sensor? How do you properly setup the pressure sensor to communicate with the receiver? It seems as though the x8r receiver does not function in the dual frequency mode as the new radio allows, is that correct? As I said in the comments of your earlier video regarding the new radio, I bought the same one but you're already ahead of me in setup. I might like to go to the fun fly out in Muncie and if I do, it'll be with a trainer that has no special setup, but as I shed my training wheels in the next few months, I will have models with gas ignition engines and retracts where I could use telemetry data to better advantage. Thanks in Advance!
@JoshuaOrchard8 күн бұрын
Sure, the sensor is the PS30 sensor. I paired it with a screw-in hose barb for the sensor: www.amazon.com/dp/B007Q29O34?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details The sensor plugs into the Smart Port. All sensors do for FrSky systems and you can daisy chain them for up to 99 sensors. I've got an airspeed sensor on my Corsair. From there you setup the sensor in the radio by discovering the new sensor. The X8R works on the older ACCST protocol, not ACCESS, but it still works very well. The dual frequency is for the Tandem (TD, 2.4gHz and 900mHz) and Twin (TW, dual 2.4gHz) lines of receivers. I'll warn that the X8R is not a good receiver for gas engines. You'll want one of the newer receivers as they've been designed to be less prone to ignition interference.
@mr3gtp10 күн бұрын
That plane just loves to fly! Off the ground in no-time, and controls are quick and precise at a level few foamies can touch.
@AzidChannel11 күн бұрын
nice remote I want that but can't have it yet
@TheCramunhao66611 күн бұрын
bom...
@stephenhillyard840713 күн бұрын
I have an old kadet senior that i built about 30 years ago. I added ailerons and flaps and use a OS 40 nitro engine. it flys great, but i want to convert it to fly electric. Would the motor and other items you link to work? I also would like to upgrade to a new transmitter and reciever. Any suggestions for a budget friendly setup? Would the servos need to be replaced also?
@JoshuaOrchard12 күн бұрын
New servos never hurt. Older servos have pots that can internally corrode and cause issues. I'm still regularly flying this model and the power system from BuddyRC has been ROCK SOLID. Good luck with your own conversion!
@SteffenRC15 күн бұрын
Wow.. So frustrating when a model just won't cooperate. Its awful, it keeps me up at night and I gotta bother all my flying buddies to try and figure it out.. I'm sure you'll sort this one out... You know what you're doing.. Good luck.. Will
@choppergirl15 күн бұрын
You need more than that, you need a miniture female Choppergirl pilot, and a choppergirl roundels. And my custom soundpack on your transmitter so it talks back to you. Lot of bad RC advice out there by no nothings.. My first quadcopter flight, everyone was like first you need to hover it in level flight in your cramp back yard or in a garage LOS. That was the absolute worst advice. After almost destroying my model several times, I was like you know what, a big open field, I can totally fly this thing FPV easy peasy after doing so 200 hours in the sim, and I was right. Now I've got 3,000+ hours behind me in the sim, and I'd never fly any RC with only 200 hours in the sim. The difference is between a baby who can walk, and a high performance world champion ballet dancer.
@michaelbare538015 күн бұрын
Put a basic receiver in it. It will be fine. Beautiful model!
@BillKisel15 күн бұрын
Nice looking (and interesting) model. Hope you get it quickly sorted out and bring her back on the channel for us to see.
@koalatails571116 күн бұрын
I didn’t see your preflight check, I assume you did one. My question is did you turn safe on and then hold the plane inverted. Next switch to AS3X mode and hold the plane inverted. In AS3X the control surfaces may move momentarily, but go back to normal position. In Safe mode the control surfaces will not rest, until the plane is upright and level. I’m guessing the plane is always in Safe mode.
@gmorphan16 күн бұрын
It sure looks like it's in SAFE Self-Leveling envelope. That plane will barrel roll with normal aileron throws. Turn the plane upside down and roll it left & right, if the ailerons auto correct back & forth to right the plane...SAFE is on.
@szajba810616 күн бұрын
Remember my first flight on a plane with stabilization, a HK Hawker Tempest 800mm. I couldn't get it to switch modes so I flown in beginner mode at first since I figured as experienced pilot I'll be more than fine, and let me say - beginner mode isn't beginner friendly, at all. The plane wasn't listening to sticks, I was lucky to be flying in an open field because otherwise I'd need to climb a tree to get it down, had to make like a 50m radius circle to get it around for landing. 2nd attempt was on "experienced" mode and while it was a lot better I eventually took off the gyro and fly with just bare minimum equipment
@PaulTAdam16 күн бұрын
If you want help - List exact equip used. RX. Servos etc. show close up’s of control surfaces on ground. Get an experienced Spektrum user to look it over. For me I too believe SAFE is engaged. Maybe by default. I had to re-bind to turn SAFE off. There is specific steps with a Spektrum RX to assign which is engaged during binding.
@JamesWhite-yj7sd16 күн бұрын
fly farther away we can still see the airplane
@Mikeylikesit196816 күн бұрын
Also as3x isn't a gyro, all it does is makes the plane fly more smoothly when you have wind.
@cdub3d13 күн бұрын
That receiver absolutely has a 3 axis MEMS gyro inside. That's how AS3X works :)
@Mikeylikesit196813 күн бұрын
@@cdub3d nope
@cdub3d13 күн бұрын
@@Mikeylikesit1968 I would agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong. From one of the product blurbs from the AR630, for example: "The Spektrum AR630 AS3X Telemetry Receiver is a DSM2 and DSMX capable receiver. Its compact footprint is designed to fit in a wide range of aircraft models including park flyers and larger sport models. The AR630 is a full range 6-channel receiver with built in AS3X and SAFE stabilization, which counters the effects of wind, turbulence and torque using 3-axis MEMS gyro and exclusive flight control software tuned by expert RC pilots."
@Mikeylikesit196816 күн бұрын
Are you sure the as3x is going the right direction on ailerons
@ryaneickmeyer619116 күн бұрын
You have a stiffness problem in either your fuselage frame and stringer structure or a stiffness problem in your wing box and aileron structure. Sounds like you're getting twist/flex which is inhibiting your roll.
@rickrader164916 күн бұрын
I would suspect receiver issues…I wonder how it would fly with a basic four channel receiver with no AS3X?
@osmw16 күн бұрын
Actually we recommend NOT using stabilization on our models, especially on maiden flights. Nothing wrong with stabilization, but if not working properly it causes a lot of problems. For the Minuette the rudder is far more powerful for turning that the ailerons. The ailerons are somewhat effective, but only to help level out the model a bit quicker and smoother than rudder alone - and they can also help eliminate some of the rudder "waggle" that happens with overuse of the rudder. A rudder/aileron mix could be programmed in, but simply learning to manually use both controls in sync is a good technique to have, regardless of the model.
@gbisaga15 күн бұрын
I always coordinate turns with rudder and aileron together (drilled into my brain by my full-scale instructor many years ago). I think you're saying that if just do that I'll be fine. True?
@osmw15 күн бұрын
@@gbisaga 👍
@trondaustad861716 күн бұрын
Nice video. Mr. Its funny about those ailroms. Have a tigermoth did the same, if i put a litle rudder and ailrons it turns on cent 😊 no safe or thigs like that. Nice plane you have there, sure u make it work. Waiting to see a good flight mr
@airplanyguy6816 күн бұрын
Torsional rigidity of the wing? Are the wings torquing in flight when you deflect the ailerons?
@JoshuaOrchard16 күн бұрын
This is being looked at as a possible contributor.
@jvanscoyk17 күн бұрын
Get rid of SAFE. I don't understand the need to use it. You just spent a bunch of time building something and you turn on SAFE on the maiden. Get some time on the airplane before tinkering with flight stabilization. I've played with flight stabilization with the Aura 5 Lite. I admit it's neat to play with but to rely on it for everyday flying, I don't get the appeal. Learn to fly rudder.
@JoshuaOrchard16 күн бұрын
I think you are missing context here, much like another commenter. I regularly fly on a FrSky systemand own zero receivers with stabilization. This is not my thing. I'm off platform and setting up the model for a giveaway sponsored by DU-BRO using a radio and electronics donated by Horizon Hobby. This model could go to literally anyone and I'm just trying to set it up the best I can for that winner to have success. I do think that it's entirely possible that I've setup something wrong here so I'll not count out the stabilization just yet but I will note that SAFE has NOT been setup. AS3X stabilization, but SAFE is a different tech that has no bearing here. No travel limits or heading holds. I'm a scientist by profession so I know to only change one variable at a time. Still, I've nver been a big fan of stabilization but ultimately I will do what's est for this particular model, including shipping it with no stabilization.
@JDDupuy17 күн бұрын
After building and flying everything for the past 47 years I do not understand why folks want to over complicate a basic simple model. For me, never have used a stabilized receiver. Maybe you just like to tinker. Wind, no wind it doesn't matter let your eyes and fingers fly the airplane. Folks expect some magic box to make them a better flyer in all weather conditions these days. I hope you figure your issue out and get your plane flying the way you want it too! Beautiful flying site you have too!
@JoshuaOrchard16 күн бұрын
I think you are missing a lot of details here. I PERSONALLY do not fly with stabilization. I fly on a FrSky system and own zero stabilization receivers. This is being setup for the DU-BRO giveaway, which could literally go to ANYONE, so it's in my best interest to set it up for success as much as possible. Not to mention Horizon Hobby donating the radio and electronics so It makes sense to try and use the tool set given for the application. It is entirely likely that I've setup something wrong here because Spektrum is not my usual platform and I never setup stabilization. So, that being said, take a step back and maybe a breath or two and try to digest the full context of the situation. Thanks for the comment. I really do appreciate it.
@suterfamily557817 күн бұрын
For the first flight or two I was 100% sure that the problem was a gyroscopic progression issue related to the spin and right-hand rule torque of the dummy rotary-radial. All full size aircraft with engines of this type had additional control issues. I wonder if the ailerons are supposed to have asymmetrical throws (top of wing vs. bottom) due to the flat-bottom wing?
@JoshuaOrchard16 күн бұрын
Maybe a touch of differential but it would'nt entirely null out roll input. I've used differential on many WWI models I've setup and their initial flight is fine and the tail is just a bit sloppy in turns. I've got a few ideas yet to exhaust.
@suterfamily557814 күн бұрын
@@JoshuaOrchard Good Luck Josh, it's a beautiful model!
@jollyroger222617 күн бұрын
Interesting model ! I hope you are able to solve your problems. I don't know how she is built, but if you can still arrange to have a pinch more dihedral - at least rudder will be able to give more ability to bank for turns. Aileron placement is a bit unique, being so far inboard yields less authority. Another thing I wondered about was the wing itself. Does the wing seem to be rigid? If the whole wing is able to flex ( warp - similar to old time wing warping ) then the ailerons might lose authority because of how the structure behaves. All my brain storming may be WAY off base. ? Again - Good luck figuring it out.
@JoshuaOrchard16 күн бұрын
Built per plans from old school model works and their demo flight looks amazing and calm. This was not.
@jcb671317 күн бұрын
looks like you are in 'SAFE' mode which limits throws.... In the radio you have to assign a SAFE/AS3X switch for on/off; ' and/or rotary knob to increase/decrease gyro...You also need 100% rates when using SAFE (if not; it'll take a 40 acre field to get it turned around ) 🙂 just a thought...nice plane, have a great week...
@JoshuaOrchard16 күн бұрын
SAFE mode has not been setup at all. Limits have not been set. I even verified this in the radio after the fact to double check. I appreciate the comment!
@ChrisEvansNodd17 күн бұрын
Would have been useful to see how much aileron deflection you have. If that's good though, I'm guessing maybe the stabilization is fighting you, even though you claim it was turned off? You could confirm that by holding the model & manually rolling it back-n-forth. Listen to the servos, you should only hear them moving when stabilization is on. If that's not the problem then maybe the servos are stalling? They might be either under sized for the job or you have an issue with the wiring... low amps getting to the servos. Loose or bendy control horn(s) might be another culprit. Push rods bending under load is another thought. Did you program any aileron differential & if so, check that's not working backwards (should be more up aileron than down). That shouldn't necessarily reduce your roll rate though but I'm running out of ideas. I'd check that stabilized receiver though... maybe try flying it using a standard receiver, see what that does. Good luck, lovely model.
@JoshuaOrchard16 күн бұрын
No bendy control horns. THey are DU-BRO and the rods are 4-40 threaded rod and short at that. Ball links on both ends so I know it's not slop in my setup. It's not likely that the servos are stalling. These are small control surfaces on a rather slow model, with a Hitec servo that has more torque than the average standard size servo. I did confirm that flight mode 1 is DEAD on AS3X. I blipped the throttle and on the other two modes I get servo action when the knob is turned up but nothing on flight mode 1. It's all still a mystery. Really the only other thing that may be a contributor is torsional rigidity of the wing. It seems par for the course but still TBD.
@stevebarrow304217 күн бұрын
Did you have stabilisation completely tuned off? Looked like the model was set to angle mode for aileron with very little authority. I would try it with a non as3x receiver.
@JoshuaOrchard16 күн бұрын
This is my next step. I want to try it on my own FrSky system and see what's what. knowing that it WILL fly rudder only prepares me for what steps I need to take there.
@AndrewNewton17 күн бұрын
That was a bit scary Josh. Looking forward to the solution
@dodge17217 күн бұрын
We need a flight stabilization system on that? It Is basically an ugly stick, anyone with any flying skill whatsoever can fly it without a stabilization system.
@JoshuaOrchard17 күн бұрын
Actually, yes! Because of how much wing area it has, it can be blown around quite a bit in gusty winds. AS3X will dramatically help keep the model stable despite the wind penetration. This is similar to ultramicro models. No worries, I'll get it figured out.
@osmw17 күн бұрын
Actually we recommend not using stabilization on our models, especially on maiden flights. Nothing wrong with stabilization, but if not working proper it causes a lot of problems.
@slange45517 күн бұрын
@@osmwagree always have a way to turn it off at least which looks like he did
@JDDupuy17 күн бұрын
@@osmw Exactly!
@richardrottenberk713318 күн бұрын
Buy a bigger car or truck easy
@savage_x8918 күн бұрын
Excellent choice of upgrade!
@steveniezgoda494119 күн бұрын
I don’t know much about radios but that new one bought looks pretty cool! Do they make it in blue? Lots of good points made with experience to back it up!
@JoshuaOrchard17 күн бұрын
I believe they do offer it in blue!
@ryanwoodard993127 күн бұрын
I’m interested in the Fokker D6 or D8
@JoshuaOrchard27 күн бұрын
The D.VI is gone and I'm still on the fence with the D.VIII. I love to fly it and it's a very reliable model. I'd have to let it go for a good price.
@ryanwoodard993128 күн бұрын
If you want to sell the P6 hawk holler at me
@JoshuaOrchard27 күн бұрын
Not. A. Chance.
@ryanwoodard993127 күн бұрын
@@JoshuaOrchard alright I just found a Brand new never flown for $300 in MI
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Koverall is my favorite covering process. Working with fabric is almost therapeutic to me. The smell of actual dope causes some problems in my household so I started sealing the fabric with Polycrylic instead. I have done a half dozen planes now this way and it works very well without all the fumes.
You are so right about the smell and sound of glow fuel. Every time I smell a glow engine I'm a kid again. Every so often someone will bring out an .049 and I'm transported to 1980 , I'm 13 flying a Sterling profile "Miss San Bernardino" with a Cox Black widow, mouse racing my cousin in the parking lot of Jack Sheiks hobby shop on a Saturday morning. Clear dope has the same effect. Looking forward to your next build
Cant wait to see the kaos build i cant get one shipping cost too much for me im in Australia
awe too bad man. I've seen several Kaos builds over the years. They never seem to disappoint in the air so if you ever have the chance to snag one, don't pass it up.
Kaos are awesome i really want to build one of the old school works models that or there Q500
Just put wind midgation on it
Interesting update about your Minuette. When you resolve your flight issues - I hope you will post the results. Best of luck with all of your projects. ( You have some great looking scale things going on! )
I absolutely will. I just need a solid few flights to iron things out.
I remember building a balsa model on my building board that I stored on top of my mom's hutch. At the time my models were rubber powered biplanes with short wingspans and I could hide the board and everything behind the molding at the top of the hutch. After dinner, I would race to clear the dining room table (my brother and sister could be lazy on those days!) so I could then stand on one of the chairs and bring the board down to continue glueing on stringers to build the fuselage, I must've been around 9 years old at the time. My dad asked me if I was going to use dope on the model and I was floored!! I couldn't believe he knew what dope was! He then brought out some pictures taken is the late 1940's and early 1950's of my deceased grandfather building some 5-6 foot wingspan free-flight powered models that he had designed and built from scratch! All covered with tissue paper and dope and built on my grandmothers' kitchen table after dinner was over. My grandfather passed away when I was only 3 and had no idea he had the same hobby as me until that evening when I was about 9; I wish I knew him better.......
What a great family story!
Like walking thru a wet fart, perfect day to spend in the workshop lol!
Yep! As flying time becomes more scarce during the summer time, I tend to start my projects, I'll go flying again in the autumn and then hit things hard during the winter months too.
That's cool. I did my flyin king last winter and covered it with sig coverall and brodack dope. It was my second attempt and it came out great! Sad to see the sse go away. I'm going to restore my sse twin this winter that's 7 years old this season. I'm going to do some upgrades and change up the covering scheme. It'll be neat to see your take on covering more traditional this year. Mike
Great to know! Like I said, I'm not great with any sort of covering film but this is a technique I really need to master for the next big project. It'll be a good one. I PROMISE.
@JoshuaOrchard cool. I love all the different techniques you can use with a dope finish. I'm going to recover a sig kougar in dope and I'm hoping to get a nicer finish then with monokote.
Brilliant video, enjoyed watching this and so well presented. Im 60 years of age, will soon be 61 and im flying rc model glow planes since 1986, thats 38 years ago. I belong to my local club and I love flying as much now as i did when i first started at the age of 22. Regardless of my flying abilities ive always kept a high wing trainer in my hangar. The two that i have is a Great Planes Avistar Elite which is an advanced trainer and the other is the World Models Super Frontier Senior, a Chinese copy of the Sig Kadet Senior. I bought it 14 years ago and its still got the same Saito 72 on board . I love that plane. Because i live in Ireland i tried at the time to buy a Sig Kadet Senior but failed, but was able to purchase this plane instead. I wouldn't rule out buying a Sig Kadet Senior if it became available to me. They are such a relaxing plane to fly. Id say the Sig Kadet has better covering for sure. The Super Frontier Senior is well built but the covering is not good. Its called Toughlon and its very thin. As i write this message im in the process of recovering my Super Frontier Senior with Oracover which is Ultracote in the USA. I would have preferred Monocote as i love that covering, but it is no longer in production. My advice to anyone is, buy a Sig Kadet Senior if you can get one and you will be glad you did.
do you have a video that attach the servo from that mount?
where can I attach the servo?
Very cool 👍
such a dum defective, floaty, ANTIQUE design.! bleh all those guys make a LOT of drag. this is an example of a full-size design feature that should NOT be scaled down. 0219 ailerons are small. and, all of the area of the wing trailing edge that is stationary DAMPS responses to aileron inputs. when the model is level, the main landing gear Should be located directly below the wing leading edge. this is an example of FLAWED original design.! imo, it is the opposite of smart to replicate original Mistakes in a design, for the sake of scale accuracy. 0300 because...... wut 0310 if i had a prop strike..... wut 0316 make sure..... wut
Keep the stabilization off until you resolve your aileron control issue. Try setting differential aileron control- more Up aileron instead of down aileron throws. Some wings don’t like down aileron throw which causes more drag than roll.
Great stuff. How does the sensor hook up to the air side?
Hey Josh, (edit: after looking at the video I can see that the receiver is an x8r) what model/manufacturer is the pressure sensor? How do you properly setup the pressure sensor to communicate with the receiver? It seems as though the x8r receiver does not function in the dual frequency mode as the new radio allows, is that correct? As I said in the comments of your earlier video regarding the new radio, I bought the same one but you're already ahead of me in setup. I might like to go to the fun fly out in Muncie and if I do, it'll be with a trainer that has no special setup, but as I shed my training wheels in the next few months, I will have models with gas ignition engines and retracts where I could use telemetry data to better advantage. Thanks in Advance!
Sure, the sensor is the PS30 sensor. I paired it with a screw-in hose barb for the sensor: www.amazon.com/dp/B007Q29O34?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details The sensor plugs into the Smart Port. All sensors do for FrSky systems and you can daisy chain them for up to 99 sensors. I've got an airspeed sensor on my Corsair. From there you setup the sensor in the radio by discovering the new sensor. The X8R works on the older ACCST protocol, not ACCESS, but it still works very well. The dual frequency is for the Tandem (TD, 2.4gHz and 900mHz) and Twin (TW, dual 2.4gHz) lines of receivers. I'll warn that the X8R is not a good receiver for gas engines. You'll want one of the newer receivers as they've been designed to be less prone to ignition interference.
That plane just loves to fly! Off the ground in no-time, and controls are quick and precise at a level few foamies can touch.
nice remote I want that but can't have it yet
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I have an old kadet senior that i built about 30 years ago. I added ailerons and flaps and use a OS 40 nitro engine. it flys great, but i want to convert it to fly electric. Would the motor and other items you link to work? I also would like to upgrade to a new transmitter and reciever. Any suggestions for a budget friendly setup? Would the servos need to be replaced also?
New servos never hurt. Older servos have pots that can internally corrode and cause issues. I'm still regularly flying this model and the power system from BuddyRC has been ROCK SOLID. Good luck with your own conversion!
Wow.. So frustrating when a model just won't cooperate. Its awful, it keeps me up at night and I gotta bother all my flying buddies to try and figure it out.. I'm sure you'll sort this one out... You know what you're doing.. Good luck.. Will
You need more than that, you need a miniture female Choppergirl pilot, and a choppergirl roundels. And my custom soundpack on your transmitter so it talks back to you. Lot of bad RC advice out there by no nothings.. My first quadcopter flight, everyone was like first you need to hover it in level flight in your cramp back yard or in a garage LOS. That was the absolute worst advice. After almost destroying my model several times, I was like you know what, a big open field, I can totally fly this thing FPV easy peasy after doing so 200 hours in the sim, and I was right. Now I've got 3,000+ hours behind me in the sim, and I'd never fly any RC with only 200 hours in the sim. The difference is between a baby who can walk, and a high performance world champion ballet dancer.
Put a basic receiver in it. It will be fine. Beautiful model!
Nice looking (and interesting) model. Hope you get it quickly sorted out and bring her back on the channel for us to see.
I didn’t see your preflight check, I assume you did one. My question is did you turn safe on and then hold the plane inverted. Next switch to AS3X mode and hold the plane inverted. In AS3X the control surfaces may move momentarily, but go back to normal position. In Safe mode the control surfaces will not rest, until the plane is upright and level. I’m guessing the plane is always in Safe mode.
It sure looks like it's in SAFE Self-Leveling envelope. That plane will barrel roll with normal aileron throws. Turn the plane upside down and roll it left & right, if the ailerons auto correct back & forth to right the plane...SAFE is on.
Remember my first flight on a plane with stabilization, a HK Hawker Tempest 800mm. I couldn't get it to switch modes so I flown in beginner mode at first since I figured as experienced pilot I'll be more than fine, and let me say - beginner mode isn't beginner friendly, at all. The plane wasn't listening to sticks, I was lucky to be flying in an open field because otherwise I'd need to climb a tree to get it down, had to make like a 50m radius circle to get it around for landing. 2nd attempt was on "experienced" mode and while it was a lot better I eventually took off the gyro and fly with just bare minimum equipment
If you want help - List exact equip used. RX. Servos etc. show close up’s of control surfaces on ground. Get an experienced Spektrum user to look it over. For me I too believe SAFE is engaged. Maybe by default. I had to re-bind to turn SAFE off. There is specific steps with a Spektrum RX to assign which is engaged during binding.
fly farther away we can still see the airplane
Also as3x isn't a gyro, all it does is makes the plane fly more smoothly when you have wind.
That receiver absolutely has a 3 axis MEMS gyro inside. That's how AS3X works :)
@@cdub3d nope
@@Mikeylikesit1968 I would agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong. From one of the product blurbs from the AR630, for example: "The Spektrum AR630 AS3X Telemetry Receiver is a DSM2 and DSMX capable receiver. Its compact footprint is designed to fit in a wide range of aircraft models including park flyers and larger sport models. The AR630 is a full range 6-channel receiver with built in AS3X and SAFE stabilization, which counters the effects of wind, turbulence and torque using 3-axis MEMS gyro and exclusive flight control software tuned by expert RC pilots."
Are you sure the as3x is going the right direction on ailerons
You have a stiffness problem in either your fuselage frame and stringer structure or a stiffness problem in your wing box and aileron structure. Sounds like you're getting twist/flex which is inhibiting your roll.
I would suspect receiver issues…I wonder how it would fly with a basic four channel receiver with no AS3X?
Actually we recommend NOT using stabilization on our models, especially on maiden flights. Nothing wrong with stabilization, but if not working properly it causes a lot of problems. For the Minuette the rudder is far more powerful for turning that the ailerons. The ailerons are somewhat effective, but only to help level out the model a bit quicker and smoother than rudder alone - and they can also help eliminate some of the rudder "waggle" that happens with overuse of the rudder. A rudder/aileron mix could be programmed in, but simply learning to manually use both controls in sync is a good technique to have, regardless of the model.
I always coordinate turns with rudder and aileron together (drilled into my brain by my full-scale instructor many years ago). I think you're saying that if just do that I'll be fine. True?
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Nice video. Mr. Its funny about those ailroms. Have a tigermoth did the same, if i put a litle rudder and ailrons it turns on cent 😊 no safe or thigs like that. Nice plane you have there, sure u make it work. Waiting to see a good flight mr
Torsional rigidity of the wing? Are the wings torquing in flight when you deflect the ailerons?
This is being looked at as a possible contributor.
Get rid of SAFE. I don't understand the need to use it. You just spent a bunch of time building something and you turn on SAFE on the maiden. Get some time on the airplane before tinkering with flight stabilization. I've played with flight stabilization with the Aura 5 Lite. I admit it's neat to play with but to rely on it for everyday flying, I don't get the appeal. Learn to fly rudder.
I think you are missing context here, much like another commenter. I regularly fly on a FrSky systemand own zero receivers with stabilization. This is not my thing. I'm off platform and setting up the model for a giveaway sponsored by DU-BRO using a radio and electronics donated by Horizon Hobby. This model could go to literally anyone and I'm just trying to set it up the best I can for that winner to have success. I do think that it's entirely possible that I've setup something wrong here so I'll not count out the stabilization just yet but I will note that SAFE has NOT been setup. AS3X stabilization, but SAFE is a different tech that has no bearing here. No travel limits or heading holds. I'm a scientist by profession so I know to only change one variable at a time. Still, I've nver been a big fan of stabilization but ultimately I will do what's est for this particular model, including shipping it with no stabilization.
After building and flying everything for the past 47 years I do not understand why folks want to over complicate a basic simple model. For me, never have used a stabilized receiver. Maybe you just like to tinker. Wind, no wind it doesn't matter let your eyes and fingers fly the airplane. Folks expect some magic box to make them a better flyer in all weather conditions these days. I hope you figure your issue out and get your plane flying the way you want it too! Beautiful flying site you have too!
I think you are missing a lot of details here. I PERSONALLY do not fly with stabilization. I fly on a FrSky system and own zero stabilization receivers. This is being setup for the DU-BRO giveaway, which could literally go to ANYONE, so it's in my best interest to set it up for success as much as possible. Not to mention Horizon Hobby donating the radio and electronics so It makes sense to try and use the tool set given for the application. It is entirely likely that I've setup something wrong here because Spektrum is not my usual platform and I never setup stabilization. So, that being said, take a step back and maybe a breath or two and try to digest the full context of the situation. Thanks for the comment. I really do appreciate it.
For the first flight or two I was 100% sure that the problem was a gyroscopic progression issue related to the spin and right-hand rule torque of the dummy rotary-radial. All full size aircraft with engines of this type had additional control issues. I wonder if the ailerons are supposed to have asymmetrical throws (top of wing vs. bottom) due to the flat-bottom wing?
Maybe a touch of differential but it would'nt entirely null out roll input. I've used differential on many WWI models I've setup and their initial flight is fine and the tail is just a bit sloppy in turns. I've got a few ideas yet to exhaust.
@@JoshuaOrchard Good Luck Josh, it's a beautiful model!
Interesting model ! I hope you are able to solve your problems. I don't know how she is built, but if you can still arrange to have a pinch more dihedral - at least rudder will be able to give more ability to bank for turns. Aileron placement is a bit unique, being so far inboard yields less authority. Another thing I wondered about was the wing itself. Does the wing seem to be rigid? If the whole wing is able to flex ( warp - similar to old time wing warping ) then the ailerons might lose authority because of how the structure behaves. All my brain storming may be WAY off base. ? Again - Good luck figuring it out.
Built per plans from old school model works and their demo flight looks amazing and calm. This was not.
looks like you are in 'SAFE' mode which limits throws.... In the radio you have to assign a SAFE/AS3X switch for on/off; ' and/or rotary knob to increase/decrease gyro...You also need 100% rates when using SAFE (if not; it'll take a 40 acre field to get it turned around ) 🙂 just a thought...nice plane, have a great week...
SAFE mode has not been setup at all. Limits have not been set. I even verified this in the radio after the fact to double check. I appreciate the comment!
Would have been useful to see how much aileron deflection you have. If that's good though, I'm guessing maybe the stabilization is fighting you, even though you claim it was turned off? You could confirm that by holding the model & manually rolling it back-n-forth. Listen to the servos, you should only hear them moving when stabilization is on. If that's not the problem then maybe the servos are stalling? They might be either under sized for the job or you have an issue with the wiring... low amps getting to the servos. Loose or bendy control horn(s) might be another culprit. Push rods bending under load is another thought. Did you program any aileron differential & if so, check that's not working backwards (should be more up aileron than down). That shouldn't necessarily reduce your roll rate though but I'm running out of ideas. I'd check that stabilized receiver though... maybe try flying it using a standard receiver, see what that does. Good luck, lovely model.
No bendy control horns. THey are DU-BRO and the rods are 4-40 threaded rod and short at that. Ball links on both ends so I know it's not slop in my setup. It's not likely that the servos are stalling. These are small control surfaces on a rather slow model, with a Hitec servo that has more torque than the average standard size servo. I did confirm that flight mode 1 is DEAD on AS3X. I blipped the throttle and on the other two modes I get servo action when the knob is turned up but nothing on flight mode 1. It's all still a mystery. Really the only other thing that may be a contributor is torsional rigidity of the wing. It seems par for the course but still TBD.
Did you have stabilisation completely tuned off? Looked like the model was set to angle mode for aileron with very little authority. I would try it with a non as3x receiver.
This is my next step. I want to try it on my own FrSky system and see what's what. knowing that it WILL fly rudder only prepares me for what steps I need to take there.
That was a bit scary Josh. Looking forward to the solution
We need a flight stabilization system on that? It Is basically an ugly stick, anyone with any flying skill whatsoever can fly it without a stabilization system.
Actually, yes! Because of how much wing area it has, it can be blown around quite a bit in gusty winds. AS3X will dramatically help keep the model stable despite the wind penetration. This is similar to ultramicro models. No worries, I'll get it figured out.
Actually we recommend not using stabilization on our models, especially on maiden flights. Nothing wrong with stabilization, but if not working proper it causes a lot of problems.
@@osmwagree always have a way to turn it off at least which looks like he did
@@osmw Exactly!
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Excellent choice of upgrade!
I don’t know much about radios but that new one bought looks pretty cool! Do they make it in blue? Lots of good points made with experience to back it up!
I believe they do offer it in blue!
I’m interested in the Fokker D6 or D8
The D.VI is gone and I'm still on the fence with the D.VIII. I love to fly it and it's a very reliable model. I'd have to let it go for a good price.
If you want to sell the P6 hawk holler at me
Not. A. Chance.
@@JoshuaOrchard alright I just found a Brand new never flown for $300 in MI