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There's bugs in the new screen. It looked like a truck ran over my car and all the cars around me disappeared. The same bugs are carried over like confused with double turning lane to be in when turning. And like in previous versions it won't go on green on any lane this time. Takes forever to move at stop signs without intervention.
Thanks for sharing. What probably will happen for the Cybercab is routing on an app with current location and address where to. For private vehicles when placing an address maybe the route planner should ask 'park or drop-off ' then act accordingly.
That’s what I was thinking as well.
12.3.6 is terrible. regression. it nags me. and its input check doesnt count my input. so i have to rip it out of fsd, go on a laden tirade, and then engage it again. any regression thats more unsafe i don't hold back.
I think the newer version will have even more nags. And you can’t wear sun glasses or a hat. Kills my style.
It’s 06/10 no update for my Tesla Model X 2019. Currently on v12.3.6
I understand that the new version has been halted due to issues from version 11 coming back. In my opinion, they should add a check for updates button. They should also be testing the software before release.
On the freeway, FSD is still on the v11 stacks it is not on N2N.
Correct
Narrator says "There are *weird* things in this video that we are going to cover" So FSD is still making mistakes, every day? It's a LONG road ahead until Level 5 Full Autonomy. Human supervisors better get used to watching that buggy beta software, for every second on the road .
1 critical disengagement per 300 miles. we can say full autonomy reaches the point of 1 per 1m miles
Most people watch FSD videos to see disengagements or interventions. In other words, when FSD makes mistakes. FYI.
Yes but we can't have sunny days without rainy ones.
I've had the trial and it's going to expire on the 9th of June. Good riddance. I did not enjoy it at all. Nothing really dangerous or anything just stupidly slow, useless in the fog, goes STUPIDLY slow in the lightest of rain. It's amazing for what it is but not for me.
I use it 98% of all my drives. It's nice to hear what other Tesla owners are saying. What modes did you drive in during your trial? I mainly drive in assertive mode in FSD.
@@FSDdriver Drive in a busy big city, that will bring FSD to its knees: Toronto, Chicago, NYC, Los Angeles .
A wrapped light shouldn't be a 4 way stop unless it's a law in your state. The red blink example you had does stop as it should - but yeah it shouldn't just sit there forever. I wonder if that'll be addressed since that's really the main flaw I'm seeing with v12.
There are many flaws in v12: often ignores speed bumps often exceeds the speed limit problem making busy Left turns unable to navigate parking lots unable to navigate parking structures unable to read: DO NOT ENTER sign cannot react to Police or Ambulances w/sirens on I could go on and on
I'm starting to see those things the more and more i drive with it.
FSD: Fool Self-Driving
LOL you got to let the car cook if no one else is around.
Tesla software is so solid, so bug free, so trustworthy. NOT
It has a long long long way to go.
@@FSDdriver But many fan bois will not admit that. They say FSD is better than a human Level 5 in 6 months!
A very easy daytime drive, mostly freeways, and few turns. FSD did fine. Maybe next time, something more challenging? Level 5 Full Autonomy requires FSD to drive in busy big cities, with *ZERO* interventions.
I have been driving ordinary cars for 46 years. Not one has scared me like this piece of junk scared this driver. Progress?
You could simply drive it in normal mode. It's a reliable electric vehicle..
Also these videos are always filmed when there is virtually no other cars on the road & it’s a clear bright day lol
It's hard to go out at night and record when you have kids. Lol. This summer in planning on driving more and less highways.
How can it be classed as self driving when you have to intervene ? It will never be at the stage where you can feel safe to have a nap while driving anywhere
Someday, every car would need to be connected to the same network and have full self-driving capability in order to achieve this. One thing fsd can do is drive you all the way to the crash site.
gag me, grok will be better
I don't doubt it. This is just to demonstrate the potential. We could go on long car rides with AI as a person to have a conversation with. I think ChatGPT needs to add an always-on mic so I can interrupt it without touching the screen. Like a normal conversation where people cut each other off sometimes.
Gpt 4o has that. You can interrupt it at anytime and respond times are also much better. If grok is ever gonna be better (which I hope it will be, since Tesla will never implement gpt on Tesla), it's gonna be a looong while... Grok is a lot behind right now
@@frankieruane currently on iPhone I can only tap the screen to interrupt. It will not stop talking unless I tap
I won't buy it until it learns to stop camping in the left lane. drove me nuts you spent 90% of your highway travel in the left lane going the same speed as other lane traffic, with cars passing you on your right, just to have the car spend the last 20 seconds of the highway traffic cutting over 3 lanes of traffic to exist... that stuff would trigger sooo much road rage in some cities
This will likely be corrected in upcoming versions, because most states have left lane laws of various sorts. But since the NN training is based on actual drivers, you could help bring this about by simply using the turn signal to switch lanes when you think it's needed.
I try to never assist the car.
If 2 cars pass you the car will auto move over for you. I do agree it’s annoying to be stuck in the left lane. Remember Highway stack is old.
A very easy 18 mile drive. When viewed at 800x speed, its hard to judge how well FSD did. FSD often hesitates, requiring a quick press of the accel pedal. Or FSD won't turn Right on a Red light. Those are *interventions* .
Trying to speed up time so people don’t need to watch a 35-minute video. I always slow down if the car acts odd
_When viewed at 800x speed_ FYI, 800% is not 800x but 8x. _Those are interventions._ You seem to be contradicting his claim of zero interventions; if not, why mention it? And if so, did you see any evidence of interventions?
@@BigBen621 Ben the pedant. Ben the so-called engineer. Ben the stock pumper. Have a nice day Ben! 😄
@@DerekDavis213 High praise indeed! 👍
@@BigBen621 Do you work for a pumping agency, or are you a freelance stock pumper? LOL
I love the music😊, nice chilling
Thanks
21 mile drive, on a sunny day. Not very challenging at all. How about a drive during morning or afternoon rush hour traffic, or at night, or in the rain? Many KZread reviews show that FSD 12.3.6 cannot drive alone in big cities like New York, Toronto, or San Jose. *Interventions* are needed.
Challenge accepted I'll try in morning and evening. I avoid the blue cities at night time. ;-)
@@FSDdriver Blue cities? Too many Democrats there? LOL Looking forward to your next video!
@@DerekDavis213 There have been too many random crimes downtown at night, and I don't want to be one of them. Plus the police let them go, soft on crime.
HAHAHAHA LITERALLY COMMENTS DUMB SHIT ON EVERY FSD VIDEO THIS GUY WILL NITPICK THE TINIEST SHIT. HE GETS OFF TO IT.
You are wrong FSD is DC doing it right.
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Please be patient with FSD, it has only been in development for *four* *years* . It still has problems with Left turns and speed bumps. But those things are HARD. 😄
It's been in development for a long long long long time.
@@FSDdriver Yup, forever in development. Forever in beta. Forever *unable* to drive without human supervision. What a let down.
@@DerekDavis213LMAO BRO YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT OLD VERSIONS LMAO TSLAQ FUD ♿️☠️♿️☠️
Because FSD is probably one of the hardest problems to solve in the history of humanity.
Its a very hard issue to solve and now you are trying to solve it with other cars that are manually being driven. If all cars where on the same network it would be much easier.
A very easy drive, all freeway, few turns. 3:31 FSD gets confused at black/grey pavement. omg 4:55 FSD is turned off. It cannot handle parking structures
Just to be clear, it can handle parking structures but it doesn’t have a definitive gps point on what level to park.
@@FSDdriver Other people have tested 12.3.6 in a multi-level parking structure. FSD could not find the way out! Any high school kid could figure that out.
@DerekDavis213 I'll have to try this. You would think with a parking assistant feature, it would know.
@@FSDdriverKeep in mind that Mr. Davis is a TSLAQ troll
you still need to use blinkers in a roundabout. If you're turning left (270 degrees) you need to indicate
I’m not really sure what the laws are in my state, but the Tesla does not always indicate when driving in roundabouts.
Drives around like its lost because it is.
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Despite *four* *years* in beta, 8 cameras, GPS, detailed map, AI, and Neural Networks, FSD is not very smart. Level 5 Full Autonomy is years away. .
@@DerekDavis213TSLAQ FUD ☠️☠️☠️♿️♿️
So what do you think of fsd? How close is it to perfect? It’s almost perfect
On a scale of 1-10 I would give it a solid 6.
@@FSDdriver An honest answer. Thank you!
Just a small request, and I dont want you to get offended, but any chance the incidental music could just be a little bit quieter .... just a little .. then we're all good.
I'm not good at creating the music. Do you think it would be better if I removed the music completely?
Funny how you claim its FSD 12.3.6, while a lot of people know that on highway, it has been using v11.4.9 stack forever now. V12.3.6 only applies to city driving. Thats why, FSD is still pretty dumb on the highways at merging like this. I agree, it sucks at merging on highway. What I'm sure, is that, had you hadnt disengaged, FSD would change to the left lane as well, but at the very last minute that would make the other driver hella mad. Therefore, unless Tesla claims that highway stack is now end to end using the neural net, this will always happen again at merging. One should either manual move to the left or disengage and slow down to yeild to other merging cars
I know that the car uses two single stacks for FSD and autopilot. In fact, I made a video about how the handoff between these two stacks works. Additionally, I discussed how incorrect mapping data can slow down the car on the highway due to a switch between stacks. Therefore, depending on the location where I'm driving, the car technically uses both stacks, both on and off. I hope this becomes end to end
What are you talking about with the roundabouts? It looked like it was in the correct lane in the first one. And in the 2nd; the indicator tells oncoming traffic entering the roundabout that you are turning left, and that they need to give way to you. "It handled the roundabout fine, I'm just complaining" - yeah about the CAR doing the RIGHT thing! You're SUPPOSED to use your indicator when turning on roundabouts.
Turning on your left-hand indicator to take a left at a roundabout is incorrect. Additionally, the first one goes over the white lines, which indicates it is not a turn lane.
If you made the video 16:9 you wouldn't need to squeeze the video
4k dash cam, 1080p screen recording.both 16:9 so what one you wanna see more screen or drive?
Trucks were very far when you dissengaged. Not sure how come you think it was not going to slow down. I bet there was no danger you just over reacted.
When you're driving at 70mph on a highway and another vehicle is not showing any indication of slowing down or moving over, you don't want to take any chances.
I can attest that FSD 12.3.6 does not handle merging well. I have had two instances where it did not do anything when a vehicle was merging onto the freeway and I was right next to them in the right most lane. Of course the person on the freeway has the right of way but that is no excuse to let yourself get sideswiped by the car either.
It's important to note that we're still using the 11 stack for highways, and the handoff from 12 to 11 needs improvement.
Video title: Tesla FSD 12.3.6 not perfect People that had problems with 12.3.4 and 12.3.5 were hoping that 12.3.6 would be a *huge* improvement. Oh well.
12.4 will be the big improvement because it’s a retrained system
@@zachb1706 And if 12.4 still makes mistakes on a *challenging* drive, then what will people say?
@@DerekDavis213 I think 12.4 will still make mistakes. But it’ll be much improved and on the path towards a self driving system.
@@zachb1706 12.4 will be *much* *improved* over 12.3.6 ? Let's watch and hope for the best.
@@zachb1706 It will be interesting to watch the 12.4 reviews, coming soon .
Fsd has no trouble in empty roads...you need to test it out in downtown with tons of rush hour traffic
You speak the truth.
I will be testing it out this week in the Twin Cities. Videos will be posted this weekend.
The are several FSD video driving in New York City including Manhattan. Good to watch and surprisingly FSD did reasonably well.
@@edhill8568 And I can point to KZread FSD reviews from Toronto or San Francisco that have *many* *interventions* . Level 5 Full Autonomy is years away.
@@DerekDavis213 What is your point? Results of FSD vary a lot by where you drive. For me in suburban Boston I haven't had a critical safety disengagement since I got V12 which is almost 2 months. Everyone's experience is different. If I tried driving in Boston every day I'm sure my experience would differ. V12 is amazing though. On my standard test route I had 27 errors with V11. V12 fixed every single one which shocked me. Getting better is all I care about since I use it every day on every drive, at night and in the rain. Way safer for me supervising FSD then driving just on my own.
Very interesting - quite good but a very scary inaction too. Generally it handled functioning roads well - and road works not so well - to be expected. I don't like the way the speed for 55mph limits defaults to 62-64 mph that seems a basic flaw. Also the complete failure to handle the semi-trucks merge at 6:40 is a possibly fatal flaw.
The auto speed limit beta switch is currently enabled, hence the speed limit is automatically set and shifts around. Personally, I'm not fond of it, but it has been turned on with a warning that the car may exceed the speed limit resulting in a possible ticket. Not moving over for two semi-trucks was a huge problem that needed to be address
Yes, the video at 6:40 is scary! A human driver would see the trucks merging, and give them plenty of space. Human drivers have excellent *situational* *awareness* .
I recommend showing the full-screen to include the bottom of the screen.
It's hard to fit in 2 screens, window view, screen view in a 9:16 aspect ratio on KZread. On X you can do a 1:1 aspect ratio so you can stack them. Still trying to figure it out.
As someone interested in FSD and not just seeing the road, I was fine with this setup
FSD is all the rage with fascists.
It's rule number 2, just after socialised healthcare
@@nicosmind3 LMAO, fascists love having their healthcare tied to their employer so they lose it when Elmo fires them.
I'm not sure how we ended up here, but I'm going to stick to driving.
At 2:26 it wasn't the double yellow that confused the Tesla. If you look carefully you'll see that a dog was hallucinated and it rendered in the display for less than a second.
I didn't notice that, great catch. Gotta watch out for those invisible pets.
Dog was funny, but visualization seems to be disconnected from driving FSD. It is more likely AI thought that black patch was some kind of pothole.
Rumour has it that FSD passed some hurdle last week and is now coming to 'the rest of the world'! Yay! I wonder if I'll be seeing more or less cars in hedges on UK country lanes?
It would be interesting to see, but since I'm pretty US-focused, I don't know what the rest of the world looks like for FSD.
In the UK if we enter a four-way roundabout, we would indicate before entering the roundabout to exit left or right, and take the lane for those. Then we would indicate to leave the roundabout just after the exit before our departure exit. Sorry, sounds more complicated than it is, but I think that was what the car did..
Most roundabout in the US we just drive into them with no signal. The Car does the indicator about 50% of the time.
That’s pretty standard. UK roundabouts are strange though. They have a load of lanes and you have to change lanes in the roundabout
I guess you must be chuffed that CNBC featured you on their Tesla hit piece "Tesla's big gamble: Full Self-Driving in the wild" aired a couple days ago,
?? I don’t watch the news.
@@FSDdriverI don’t blame you.
Tesla hit piece? You mean that CNBC told the truth about FSD? It is still a basic Level 2 system that makes mistakes?
use common senses. Do not engage FSD on construction sites or school zone.
Last time I checked you can't avoid road construction or school zones. How would Robo Taxi work?
When it works going down a road, in a lane, it seems fine. When it isn't fine, it is entirely possible for someone to end up dead, and more than a few people have. What blows my mind is that testing something with those potential consequences,on the public, violates every professional ethical standard I'm aware of (and I'm referring to Tesla, not you specifically).
I'm not sure if I agree with the argument that FSD should be stopped after a tragic accident. Consider a scenario where an airplane engine or even an entire airplane falls from the sky and hits a house, causing fatalities. Should we then ground every plane ever built? I never agreed to have planes flying over my house, but they do. We could bring up the argument that planes have been tested well, but I would refer you to any Boeing news for the last three years. In My opinion, the Tesla Level 2 system we see today, which I drive 98% of the time, is better than a person who is texting on their smartphone with no FSD. And we even have no phone hands-free laws that don't work.
@@FSDdriver The recent Boeing issues are from the exact same cost-cutting strategies that lead Tesla to publicly beta test potentially-dangerous software. My cat is better at driving than a person texting on a phone. The comparison of planes to FSD is not even remotely appropriate. Planes have auto-pilot features which are actively controlled, and monitored, and don't include complex decision-making. They set alt, hdg, vs, spd, and the plane hits those targets and holds. The people using it are extensively trained, and they are extensively tested, and have system redundancy. Look I get where you're coming from, but I'm saying from a system design and operation standpoint, this is about as far away from best practices as it is possible to be. It's an irresponsible way to save money by having people like yourself, train their model for them.
Ditch the music. Good testing.
Thanks. Trying to find a work flow that can move just as fast as FSD updated.
Didn’t see you “push to talk” to report the problem in 12.3.4 and this video. If not reported, Tesla is not getting the bug. I think it has something to do with map vs visual. I encountered FSD problem at “some” traffic light with turn-only lane.
Before leaving the area, I always submit a report with a timestamp, but I cut it out of the video..
Even after many v12 point releases, the software still make mistakes every day. It cannot be trusted. Level 5 Full Autonomy is years away.
Correct
Is the fuse out on your blinker
No, I consistently have issues where the blinker is on, but it doesn't always appear on the screen. Must be a Bug, no service alerts.
Why are these things that seem very simple for humans so challenging for fsd
Because FSD is a simple minded Level 2 assistant. Nothing like a human driver.
Imagine the Tesla as an iPhone, now imagine fsd as Siri. Now ask yourself why no one uses Siri on their iPhone.
@@FSDdriver Because Siri sucks? LOL I LOVE the idea of FSD: safely drive for 100's of miles, while I take a nap in the back seat. But the FSD of today is nothing like a human driver, and it cannot be trusted. Nobody pays big money for FSD, for *supervised* *driving* !
@@DerekDavis213 Siri is trash compared to Google Assistant or Gemini. As an iPhone and pixel user, google wants to be my assistant, Siri is just off in the background doing nothing.
I hope that Full Self-Driving (FSD) technology, at level 2, becomes a mandatory safety feature in all cars sold in the USA. This would significantly reduce the number of accidents caused by distracted driving. I have witnessed many young drivers texting while driving, and I believe it would be safer for them to have an assistant that warns them to take control of the vehicle, rather than having no assistance at all.
很有趣😅
谢谢你