The second movement is one of the most beautifully written - such a gentle but infinitely deep melancholy!
@Allen_Brass_Banding-mp8jx19 күн бұрын
So many superb modal moments - completely worthy of the Great Modal Masters - in this piece. Jacob - woefully neglected and simply not 'heard' in the deepest sense. A rich musical feast indeed. Can we now please have one of our modern top-shelf bands dedicate an album to Jacob's music for brass band? Thanks in advance.
@stephen_63424 күн бұрын
This is the best thing I've ever heard on the horn, it's amazing
@brunoschmid4020Ай бұрын
Very fine !
@Vs19880Ай бұрын
Lighter heating Frank Lloyd☠️
@davidcottrell1308Ай бұрын
amazing. as usual.
@BessesothBarnBandChannelАй бұрын
Excellent piece of research and presentation of British Brass Band History that gets a lot accross without boring your audience
@hugoramirez9250Ай бұрын
Exelente Maestro!!!
@JohnHolroyd-mf7olАй бұрын
Met him in 2016 at Aldeburgh, really nice no nonsense chap but knew everything about music.
@msmith53Ай бұрын
Thanks so much for posting this info!! An era of intelligence and inspiration!
@PHMPublishing2 ай бұрын
Alec, How did you get hold of this? Its is an off air recording? I produced this with the RNCM team for the broadcast. I have a copy here at home and it sounds better than this! If everyone agrees, I'd be perfectly happy to post the one I have. It is not a BBC copyright recording, I'll contact David Thornton and Torstein about it.
@alecgallagher91962 ай бұрын
Hello Paul, as indicated in the notes accompanying the video, it was broadcast by Radio 3 on 1st March 2010 (from the 2010 festival). I simply recorded it from the radio. Unfortunately the recording software I had at the time wasn't brilliant, which is why the sound isn't great. If you have a better recording I'd love to hear it. And indeed, any other recordings you might have! (Salford Toccata for instance, or Fire on Whaleness). @alecgallagher9196 1 minute ago (edited) I should also add that it wasn't my initial intention to make any of my recordings public, only for my own enjoyment. But as everyone else seems to be uploading copyright material nowadays, I thought I'd make some of these rare recordings available to all who want to listen. I understand that KZread has an agreement of some sort with copyright holders to allow this to happen. David Thornton already knows about this recording because he contacted me shortly after I posted it, asking the same question as you! (see below)
@PHMPublishing2 ай бұрын
@@alecgallagher9196 The recording copies i habe of these were given to me for archive purposes and not for further dissemination. The RNCM Band played so well
@CaptainAshleyDawson2 ай бұрын
Hi Alec, do you have the recording of Tippett's Mask of Time fanfare from this same recording and the other Lollipop stuff? Thanks, Ashley
@alecgallagher91962 ай бұрын
I'm afraid not - see my other reply.
@CaptainAshleyDawson2 ай бұрын
Hi Alec, This is a terriffic channel! I was a teenager in 1986 and remember listening to this concert live on the radio! Do you happen to have a recording of the rest of the PJBE finale concert from BBC radio 3? (I notice you have uploaded the 'similar' Philip Jones memorial concert which includes some of the same music, including 'Pictures from an exhibition' which was a 'musical milestone' for me!) If so, I would love to hear the rest of it! I remember one of the 'surprise' pieces for Philip Jones was a performance of a march from Tippett's 'The Mask of Time' - which I have never been able to find on a recording since! The PJBE lollipops were also great, including the 'extras' added in especially for the occasion. You have other really rare BBC Radio recordings of some of my favourite - but really difficult to find live recordings of - brass band test pieces (especially Frontier! by Michael Ball, and Fusions by Howard Blake). I remember hearing them live on the Radio at the time, and wishing I could find recordings of them. Thanks once again. Ashley👍
@alecgallagher91962 ай бұрын
Hi Ashley, thanks for your kind comments. Sadly, and for reasons which I can't now fathom, I didn't record the entire concert, only the Bach and Rautaavaara. I've been kicking myself ever since.
@CaptainAshleyDawson2 ай бұрын
I know the feeling 😂
@tsjukemar3 ай бұрын
Part 3 WAY too fast!!!
@avroncotton3 ай бұрын
A great pictorial montage of a wonderful area.
@donnaquixote75383 ай бұрын
Beautiful performance! 💓
@thomasanderson68794 ай бұрын
Thanks for posting this sadly neglected work. The soloist gives a superb, understated performance and lets Orr's score speak for itself. It was a wee trip down memory lane for me, because I played euphonium with Whitburn Band in the 1980s and we recorded it for Bandstand with John Wallace, around 1986 if I remember correctly. For a piece of serial music it is very lyrical and I hope it doesn't remain neglected for much longer.
@alecgallagher91964 ай бұрын
My pleasure, glad you enjoyed it. As it happens, I also have a recording of the Whitburn/John Wallace performance too, conducted by Peter Parkes. I couldn't decide which to upload so went for the Wilbraham one. The other work on that Whitburn broadcast was Orr's Caledonian Suite.
@thomasanderson68794 ай бұрын
@@alecgallagher9196 Are you sure this isn't the Whitburn recording? The solo euphonium player sounds very like I did and even splits a note I remember splitting (you never forget those!).
@alecgallagher91964 ай бұрын
Absolutely sure! The soloist doesn't have the Wallace 'waver' for one thing. Obviously that particular note was eminently splittable!
@LloydMusicLtd4 ай бұрын
You may like to know that the session tapes of a commercial recording of this work, played by Equale and made by Nimbus, has surfaced after 35 years. The tapes are in good order, and Adrian farmer, the original engineer at Nimbus has prepared a master tape, which we hope will be suitable for commercial release now that the George Lloyd catalogue has moved to Nimbus.
@alecgallagher91964 ай бұрын
Very interesting, thank you. I'll be first in the queue for a copy. I read about this recording in Peter Bassano's book Before the Music Stopped. He said that the recording was abandoned because of artistic differences between the quintet and the producer, relating to music by Gershwin. Also lost on that occasion was a recording of Gordon Crosses Chime. If that recording has been found too that would be exciting.
@garyblakepeterson76134 ай бұрын
Thank you for posting this - too bad Grimethorpe's wonderful performance from the RNCM Festival of Brass is unavailable! :)
@Allen_Brass_Banding-mp8jx4 ай бұрын
Super piece!
@Allen_Brass_Banding-mp8jx4 ай бұрын
When was this composed?
@alecgallagher91964 ай бұрын
In 2016. Murphy's music is seriously underexposed in the UK, although she did write a piece in memory of Bram Tovey which was played at the 2023 RNCM festival. Check out her Hartford Accident and Indemnity too - also to be found in this playlist. Great stuff!
@Gwailo544 ай бұрын
I have no idea why, but I've suddenly developed anew a taste for brass band music. Whatever happened to brass bands when Bandstand stopped on Radio 3? It was fascinating to hear composers like Phyllis Tate writing for the medium. This isn't exactly Grimethorpe Aria but it introduced performers and their traditional audiences to mildly modern composers. Tate was a name that cropped up from time to time but others, like Derek Bourgeois and Edward Gregson, showed they were no slouches with brass band music. I hope this piece is still part of the repertoire of several bands at least. Thanks very much for sharing.
@alecgallagher91964 ай бұрын
You're very welcome. Sadly, I don't think it is in the repertoire of any bands any more. Although, there is just the remotest possibility it might get an airing in the next year or so.
@fionahedges42615 ай бұрын
This work is also called "The Three Ridings Suite" as per the version in the Roy Newsome Archive at Salford Uni. The movements are: I (West Riding) Prelude: Roundhay, II. (North Riding) Nocturne: Swaledale, III (East Riding) March: Ferensway. The finale was based on the finale of his Kingston Sketches, and AH reused the Nocturne as Nocturne Sables D'Or in his Four Breton Sketches.
@alecgallagher91965 ай бұрын
Thank you for the information!
@exhornnerd5 ай бұрын
A very young looking Jim Handy there, bless him, lovely guy!
@jimryon10026 ай бұрын
Wunderbar
@sorabjiorchestralmusic6 ай бұрын
Hi Alec, do you know when this was recorded? And BTW thank you so much for so many of your postings. We were listening to the same broadcasts at the same time but most of my recordings are irretrievable now so this has been a real journey down memory lane.
@alecgallagher91966 ай бұрын
My pleasure! Always nice to share things with like-minded people! This recording actually comes from an old LP by the Hendon Band called "Eric Ball - an Eightieth Birthday Tribute".
@sorabjiorchestralmusic6 ай бұрын
I thought it might be, I’m on that LP on Eb bass. Such a shame Hendon Band folded. Had some real ‘characters’ not least the conductor the mighty Don Morrison and one of the best euphs of all time Barry Perrin. He was just at the end of his career when I played but still an incredible player.
@herbers87916 ай бұрын
This is incredible horn playing. Could you pass on the score?
@alecgallagher91966 ай бұрын
I doubt that it's published. I think the only source for a copy of the dots would be Mr Lloyd himself. He's on the web and lives in Germany nowadays. Good luck!
@StocksIn60SecondsАй бұрын
Just write it out from what you hear. He wouldn’t care, lol.
@greengreen42517 ай бұрын
This is so jarring and uncomfortable. Not how I feel when I'm in the Dales
@dirkvanderweerd58967 ай бұрын
Ja,geweldig dit ,was voor mij 1967 dat ik dit mocht mee spelen als jongentje van 12,13 jaar ,mooie tijd.
@MyGraeme18 ай бұрын
although the recording sounds vice versa
@MyGraeme18 ай бұрын
SEMITONE LOWER...derr
@micspencer1908 ай бұрын
I sang in this premiere...a great experience!
@alecgallagher91968 ай бұрын
An acquaintance of mine played in it and said exactly the same. Amazing that such young singers coped with such difficult harmonies, intervals and rhythms. Well done!
@derekdawson49788 ай бұрын
50?yee god's
@Geoff_Tuba_UK8 ай бұрын
I listened to almost every band at Belle Vue in 1980. Some fabulous playing of an iconic band score from a handful of bands on the day. Imps were outstanding. I seem to remember that some dynamics were removed for this contest (errata for trombones) and later re-instated. I still have the short score of "Energy" I bought that day.
@cottoneyemoe2 ай бұрын
My score has the following annotation on the inside cover: "COMPOSER'S ALTERATION: All parts from [55] to the end to be played fortissimo, and dynamic fluctuations between [55] and [57] + 4 bars, to be ignored." I don't know when this was added, but it seems to have been in effect here, though not at the 1991 British nationals. It was certainly a straight ff at the 1996 Norwegian nationals.
@Geoff_Tuba_UK2 ай бұрын
Confusing. I played in 1991 RAH London without crescendo and all fortissimo. From memory it was for that day it was introduced.
@Deearepee19638 ай бұрын
Do you have the link to the video this came from, please?
@alecgallagher91968 ай бұрын
It cam from this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/k6abo61qdNO1nqQ.html&lc=Ugw6Edd87QFh8lnE5xl4AaABAg.9ug-7dar9lg9vcz_48Zv0C
@Deearepee19638 ай бұрын
Thank you 😊
@PHMPublishing8 ай бұрын
This work and concert was conceived and produced by BBC Radio 3. Robin’s visceral work is impressive and played with authority by Grimethorpe and Frank Renton. This must be an off air recording as the originals will be in the BBC archive or deleted.
@lloydpayne66689 ай бұрын
It's great, like Malcolm Arnold on steroids!
@301Alexhorn9 ай бұрын
Perfect is dull. Nice to hear the première of this terrific piece!!!
@FrancisGregory9 ай бұрын
I want to sound as good as owen
@julianastephens62877 ай бұрын
Bet you can 😉
@FrancisGregory7 ай бұрын
😂😂@@julianastephens6287
@SOBIESKI_freedom7 ай бұрын
Practice... especially long notes.
@FrancisGregory7 ай бұрын
I actually played his second movement just recently for my exam, but the first and last movement @@SOBIESKI_freedom is quite a bit more tricky
@AG-fl3kl9 ай бұрын
Owen has such a beautiful tone on his horn
@christhomas86629 ай бұрын
Fantastic - thank you!
@adelaidedupont90179 ай бұрын
So the UK was cloning these Belgian pieces of technology...
@alecgallagher91969 ай бұрын
Oh yes. Although Sax himself was accused of plagiarism on more than one occasion, of course.
@adelaidedupont90179 ай бұрын
@@alecgallagher9196 Go on!
@adelaidedupont90179 ай бұрын
Anomaly spotting is not one of my strengths - if anything I will listen carefully and intently to the programme! 🎺🎵🎶📯🎷
@jimryon10029 ай бұрын
Thank you for this. My love for the PJBE goes back to the 70's.
@user-qu8if4im6z9 ай бұрын
BBC Genome states 'BBC Pebble Mill'. Apparently Studio 1 at Pebble Mill was large enough to house a full-size symphony orchestra. I assume it had an organ as well?
@alecgallagher91968 ай бұрын
I now believe that this performance is from the Three Choirs Festival, given on 23rd August 1986.
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Amazing playing ❤ I'm going to practice 😂
I saw/heard him do this live‼️
Incredible performance
😰
The second movement is one of the most beautifully written - such a gentle but infinitely deep melancholy!
So many superb modal moments - completely worthy of the Great Modal Masters - in this piece. Jacob - woefully neglected and simply not 'heard' in the deepest sense. A rich musical feast indeed. Can we now please have one of our modern top-shelf bands dedicate an album to Jacob's music for brass band? Thanks in advance.
This is the best thing I've ever heard on the horn, it's amazing
Very fine !
Lighter heating Frank Lloyd☠️
amazing. as usual.
Excellent piece of research and presentation of British Brass Band History that gets a lot accross without boring your audience
Exelente Maestro!!!
Met him in 2016 at Aldeburgh, really nice no nonsense chap but knew everything about music.
Thanks so much for posting this info!! An era of intelligence and inspiration!
Alec, How did you get hold of this? Its is an off air recording? I produced this with the RNCM team for the broadcast. I have a copy here at home and it sounds better than this! If everyone agrees, I'd be perfectly happy to post the one I have. It is not a BBC copyright recording, I'll contact David Thornton and Torstein about it.
Hello Paul, as indicated in the notes accompanying the video, it was broadcast by Radio 3 on 1st March 2010 (from the 2010 festival). I simply recorded it from the radio. Unfortunately the recording software I had at the time wasn't brilliant, which is why the sound isn't great. If you have a better recording I'd love to hear it. And indeed, any other recordings you might have! (Salford Toccata for instance, or Fire on Whaleness). @alecgallagher9196 1 minute ago (edited) I should also add that it wasn't my initial intention to make any of my recordings public, only for my own enjoyment. But as everyone else seems to be uploading copyright material nowadays, I thought I'd make some of these rare recordings available to all who want to listen. I understand that KZread has an agreement of some sort with copyright holders to allow this to happen. David Thornton already knows about this recording because he contacted me shortly after I posted it, asking the same question as you! (see below)
@@alecgallagher9196 The recording copies i habe of these were given to me for archive purposes and not for further dissemination. The RNCM Band played so well
Hi Alec, do you have the recording of Tippett's Mask of Time fanfare from this same recording and the other Lollipop stuff? Thanks, Ashley
I'm afraid not - see my other reply.
Hi Alec, This is a terriffic channel! I was a teenager in 1986 and remember listening to this concert live on the radio! Do you happen to have a recording of the rest of the PJBE finale concert from BBC radio 3? (I notice you have uploaded the 'similar' Philip Jones memorial concert which includes some of the same music, including 'Pictures from an exhibition' which was a 'musical milestone' for me!) If so, I would love to hear the rest of it! I remember one of the 'surprise' pieces for Philip Jones was a performance of a march from Tippett's 'The Mask of Time' - which I have never been able to find on a recording since! The PJBE lollipops were also great, including the 'extras' added in especially for the occasion. You have other really rare BBC Radio recordings of some of my favourite - but really difficult to find live recordings of - brass band test pieces (especially Frontier! by Michael Ball, and Fusions by Howard Blake). I remember hearing them live on the Radio at the time, and wishing I could find recordings of them. Thanks once again. Ashley👍
Hi Ashley, thanks for your kind comments. Sadly, and for reasons which I can't now fathom, I didn't record the entire concert, only the Bach and Rautaavaara. I've been kicking myself ever since.
I know the feeling 😂
Part 3 WAY too fast!!!
A great pictorial montage of a wonderful area.
Beautiful performance! 💓
Thanks for posting this sadly neglected work. The soloist gives a superb, understated performance and lets Orr's score speak for itself. It was a wee trip down memory lane for me, because I played euphonium with Whitburn Band in the 1980s and we recorded it for Bandstand with John Wallace, around 1986 if I remember correctly. For a piece of serial music it is very lyrical and I hope it doesn't remain neglected for much longer.
My pleasure, glad you enjoyed it. As it happens, I also have a recording of the Whitburn/John Wallace performance too, conducted by Peter Parkes. I couldn't decide which to upload so went for the Wilbraham one. The other work on that Whitburn broadcast was Orr's Caledonian Suite.
@@alecgallagher9196 Are you sure this isn't the Whitburn recording? The solo euphonium player sounds very like I did and even splits a note I remember splitting (you never forget those!).
Absolutely sure! The soloist doesn't have the Wallace 'waver' for one thing. Obviously that particular note was eminently splittable!
You may like to know that the session tapes of a commercial recording of this work, played by Equale and made by Nimbus, has surfaced after 35 years. The tapes are in good order, and Adrian farmer, the original engineer at Nimbus has prepared a master tape, which we hope will be suitable for commercial release now that the George Lloyd catalogue has moved to Nimbus.
Very interesting, thank you. I'll be first in the queue for a copy. I read about this recording in Peter Bassano's book Before the Music Stopped. He said that the recording was abandoned because of artistic differences between the quintet and the producer, relating to music by Gershwin. Also lost on that occasion was a recording of Gordon Crosses Chime. If that recording has been found too that would be exciting.
Thank you for posting this - too bad Grimethorpe's wonderful performance from the RNCM Festival of Brass is unavailable! :)
Super piece!
When was this composed?
In 2016. Murphy's music is seriously underexposed in the UK, although she did write a piece in memory of Bram Tovey which was played at the 2023 RNCM festival. Check out her Hartford Accident and Indemnity too - also to be found in this playlist. Great stuff!
I have no idea why, but I've suddenly developed anew a taste for brass band music. Whatever happened to brass bands when Bandstand stopped on Radio 3? It was fascinating to hear composers like Phyllis Tate writing for the medium. This isn't exactly Grimethorpe Aria but it introduced performers and their traditional audiences to mildly modern composers. Tate was a name that cropped up from time to time but others, like Derek Bourgeois and Edward Gregson, showed they were no slouches with brass band music. I hope this piece is still part of the repertoire of several bands at least. Thanks very much for sharing.
You're very welcome. Sadly, I don't think it is in the repertoire of any bands any more. Although, there is just the remotest possibility it might get an airing in the next year or so.
This work is also called "The Three Ridings Suite" as per the version in the Roy Newsome Archive at Salford Uni. The movements are: I (West Riding) Prelude: Roundhay, II. (North Riding) Nocturne: Swaledale, III (East Riding) March: Ferensway. The finale was based on the finale of his Kingston Sketches, and AH reused the Nocturne as Nocturne Sables D'Or in his Four Breton Sketches.
Thank you for the information!
A very young looking Jim Handy there, bless him, lovely guy!
Wunderbar
Hi Alec, do you know when this was recorded? And BTW thank you so much for so many of your postings. We were listening to the same broadcasts at the same time but most of my recordings are irretrievable now so this has been a real journey down memory lane.
My pleasure! Always nice to share things with like-minded people! This recording actually comes from an old LP by the Hendon Band called "Eric Ball - an Eightieth Birthday Tribute".
I thought it might be, I’m on that LP on Eb bass. Such a shame Hendon Band folded. Had some real ‘characters’ not least the conductor the mighty Don Morrison and one of the best euphs of all time Barry Perrin. He was just at the end of his career when I played but still an incredible player.
This is incredible horn playing. Could you pass on the score?
I doubt that it's published. I think the only source for a copy of the dots would be Mr Lloyd himself. He's on the web and lives in Germany nowadays. Good luck!
Just write it out from what you hear. He wouldn’t care, lol.
This is so jarring and uncomfortable. Not how I feel when I'm in the Dales
Ja,geweldig dit ,was voor mij 1967 dat ik dit mocht mee spelen als jongentje van 12,13 jaar ,mooie tijd.
although the recording sounds vice versa
SEMITONE LOWER...derr
I sang in this premiere...a great experience!
An acquaintance of mine played in it and said exactly the same. Amazing that such young singers coped with such difficult harmonies, intervals and rhythms. Well done!
50?yee god's
I listened to almost every band at Belle Vue in 1980. Some fabulous playing of an iconic band score from a handful of bands on the day. Imps were outstanding. I seem to remember that some dynamics were removed for this contest (errata for trombones) and later re-instated. I still have the short score of "Energy" I bought that day.
My score has the following annotation on the inside cover: "COMPOSER'S ALTERATION: All parts from [55] to the end to be played fortissimo, and dynamic fluctuations between [55] and [57] + 4 bars, to be ignored." I don't know when this was added, but it seems to have been in effect here, though not at the 1991 British nationals. It was certainly a straight ff at the 1996 Norwegian nationals.
Confusing. I played in 1991 RAH London without crescendo and all fortissimo. From memory it was for that day it was introduced.
Do you have the link to the video this came from, please?
It cam from this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/k6abo61qdNO1nqQ.html&lc=Ugw6Edd87QFh8lnE5xl4AaABAg.9ug-7dar9lg9vcz_48Zv0C
Thank you 😊
This work and concert was conceived and produced by BBC Radio 3. Robin’s visceral work is impressive and played with authority by Grimethorpe and Frank Renton. This must be an off air recording as the originals will be in the BBC archive or deleted.
It's great, like Malcolm Arnold on steroids!
Perfect is dull. Nice to hear the première of this terrific piece!!!
I want to sound as good as owen
Bet you can 😉
😂😂@@julianastephens6287
Practice... especially long notes.
I actually played his second movement just recently for my exam, but the first and last movement @@SOBIESKI_freedom is quite a bit more tricky
Owen has such a beautiful tone on his horn
Fantastic - thank you!
So the UK was cloning these Belgian pieces of technology...
Oh yes. Although Sax himself was accused of plagiarism on more than one occasion, of course.
@@alecgallagher9196 Go on!
Anomaly spotting is not one of my strengths - if anything I will listen carefully and intently to the programme! 🎺🎵🎶📯🎷
Thank you for this. My love for the PJBE goes back to the 70's.
BBC Genome states 'BBC Pebble Mill'. Apparently Studio 1 at Pebble Mill was large enough to house a full-size symphony orchestra. I assume it had an organ as well?
I now believe that this performance is from the Three Choirs Festival, given on 23rd August 1986.