Good comparison, it's perfect to get real values between X64 and ARM64.
@luc79764 сағат бұрын
The Pro 10 has anti-reflective coating which probably explains in bright conditions it appears to have deeper blacks. Buying matte AR screen protector should help a bit in theory with the 11 Pro.
@Calibr214 сағат бұрын
The sp11 has the background light reflection in the field of view off where the sp 10 doesn’t. Maybe that is why the blacks seems brighter than the sp10.
@JonnyGators5 сағат бұрын
This video is absolutely useless! Please update this to include how in the heck to get the oculus software to recognize the HDMI connection as connected, instead of the laptop just treating it as another display that it outputs directly to! Without this essential detail, there is simply NO WAY to configure the oculus software to work!
@f.lindeberg6 сағат бұрын
What about the heat and fan noice from the intel version?
@cbutters6 сағат бұрын
They both get hot enough to need a fan if you push them hard. When the fan is ramped up they both make the same amount of fan noise. Granted, the Snapdragon tends to ramp less often in normal usage.
@alexanderzhulin35287 сағат бұрын
I wonder how it will fare on "balanced" my guess is intell will lose 10-20% performance and 30 to 50% power consumption?
@QUADBOYification9 сағат бұрын
We should hope Boeing is not using any snapdragon chipsets in their airplanes.
@icecarpediem9 сағат бұрын
I'm very curious if a comparison between the V3 and the surface pro 11 😄
@christianr.58689 сағат бұрын
Nice to know the snapdragon can hang with the intel model and be twice as efficient in some cases
@eric13131310 сағат бұрын
2 crap side by side 😂 Ryzen ai series will have field day with this two
@christianr.58689 сағат бұрын
More interested in that chip in a steam deck successor than a laptop tbh. We’ll see how efficient it really is there
@_Digitalguy10 сағат бұрын
Very interesting. Checking the exact power consuption is something that more reviewers should be doing!
@curio7817 минут бұрын
intel is on 5nm and snapdragon on 4nm. this test tells nothing. as snapdragon is 2 generations newer process node. once intel lunar lake comes in 3 months them we will see if arm has any advantage at all. the test should have been using amd 7840u which is also on 4nm.
@kalin444410 сағат бұрын
Finally! I needed a side by side screen test! Mind conparing the snap dragon elite vs snap dragon plus? In terms of screen and frame test! Cannot wait for a more arm friendly environment! Your fans + a tiny eGPU will do GODS WORK!!!
@josher1410 сағат бұрын
Hey kalin i'm testing the snap dragon x plus for gaming.. any games you'd like to see?
@josher1410 сағат бұрын
Apparently Qualcomm is coming out with new drivers in a couple of weeks.. Not sure if it will be enough for compatibility and most of the reviews won't get updated sadly.. Thanks for the tests👍
@cbutters10 сағат бұрын
That's cool. Any source for that info? I'm interested.
@christianr.586810 сағат бұрын
Looking forward to that!
@FormalPluto13 сағат бұрын
Nicely done. May be worth rerunning the benchmarks after a few curing cycles for the PTM to 'bed in' completely.
@mahmoudelhusseiny9932Күн бұрын
Hi , I have surface pro 8 and I have Ugreen 100 watt Power bank ,,,, Does it safe using it??
@Dwayne_GreenКүн бұрын
I have a surface pro 9 i5... Though the processing power of the V3 is tempting the surface pro 9 is just enough power for my needs and I think the refinements surrounding the build materials is not quiet enough to justify the switch. It's great to see an AMD tablet, but I think I'll wait for either the 2nd or 3rd generation to iron out some of these.
@Splackavellie85Күн бұрын
So glad I went for the Flow Z13 over the Minisforum. Great specs, but it’s obviously their first tablet.
@Jacked2theTs2 күн бұрын
I personally think that Microsoft and other manufacturers are going to press forward with ARM processors and twist the wrists of dev's, to start supporting it more widely. As they need products to compete with Apple's line-up.
@guilhermemariano74323 күн бұрын
Still working?
@cbutters2 күн бұрын
It died about 6 months ago.
@Cheesevr0964 күн бұрын
Is this wireless or link cable?
@earlingcanari44464 күн бұрын
Can I put a Samsung brand 4TB m2 solid drive on it?
@cbutters4 күн бұрын
yep.
@Lovinalili5 күн бұрын
How do u attach a tracker on the headset? 13:52
@cbutters4 күн бұрын
There is a mount you can buy (see description) then you use continuous calibration branch of playspace calibrator.
@PAULME_CH5 күн бұрын
Thanks for the review. Better than most other reviews. Can you test this? Leave in standby mode both (intel & snapdragon) for 10 hours and post how much battery lost.. It's important to me. Thanks!
@dillonvillon5 күн бұрын
I will say, my 6950xt had a hotspot that would hit 112 on the hotspot regularly on open world games while the normal temp was mid to low 70s... after putting this stuff on the hotspot seems to just kiss 100c on the hotspot
@Creativo19736 күн бұрын
Thanks for the review. With your comparison focused on the SP10, I have a Surface Pro 9 presently... would the upgrade be worth it in your opinion? I mainly run editing software (cap cut) and Publisher and Photo editing software. I'm not a gamer, but I am getting more into ai creation with (Dream Machine, Unreal Engine) ...I have a Intel Iris Xe Graphics installed and I've only had one issue notice pop up for one of the platforms. There is an Intel update, to the Intel Arc & Iris Xe Graphics, but I've read issues with upgrading to what is being recommended for this machine.
@cbutters5 күн бұрын
If you upgrade SP9 i5 -> SP10, I think its worth it. You'd be looking at a decent bump in cpu and GPU performance If you're upgrading a SP9 i7-> SP10 , there is only tiny CPU uplift, and just a 10-35% uplift in GPU, so may not be as worth it. You'd also get NPU on the SP10, for windows studio effects, but its really only useful so far if you use those features on video calls, so ymmv. You may have seen my video on it, but the SP10 Core 5 (135U) & Core 7 (165U) are essentially performing almost exactly the same for the SP10 generation, so unless you need 32gb of ram or something, just save the money and get the 135U version, that is if you end up deciding the upgrade is worth it for you.
@franzpleurmann25856 күн бұрын
Love the intro 😆
@Virtus_33566 күн бұрын
It’s literally the same as the previous generation I’ve done mine multiple times for thermal testing
@cbutters6 күн бұрын
Awesome! What have you found in your thermal testing?
@weltenleser6 күн бұрын
Interesting to see significant results, seems that Microsoft needs to do better in terms of pasting. Also interesting that the CPU seems to take more power now at the cost of the GPU - maybe dedicated heat pipes left and right without overlapping would have been the better choice. Or a third shared heatpipe with a third fan, blowing out at the back where the hinges are. I kinda want to like the SLS 2, but - old and inefficient CPU, at launch we already knew about significantly better ones coming in less than 3 months - massive price increase for a bit more RAM (500 bucks for 16GB, that's insane) - ancient and mediocre LCD panel that has exactly zero HDR effect, advertising it as a 10bit HDR panel is a joke (1 dimming zone), should have been OLED or mini LED from the start - heat getting exhausted at the front towards your hands/palms is an odd choice, but probably due to design decision of the display hinges - big difference in performance between battery power and with power from cable - gets hot very quickly - device uses more than 100w under full load and the USB port cannot deliver that since Microsoft cheaped out on the potential for 140w charging, ergo you are forced to use the original microsoft charger (sux) - only low-end GPU availability, a device with this titanic price tag should have a 4060 as minimum, and go up to at least 4070, best up to a 4090 mobile - terrible battery life overall makes it a hard choice for 3000 bucks. I'd love to see a SLS 3 with a modern and efficient CPU, a bigger battery, better pricing for RAM, OLED and move the fans to the back of the device - that would be an awesome product.
@kellenmck6 күн бұрын
Currently on recovery for my second surgery
@kondor999997 күн бұрын
4 degrees ain’t a lot
@rarespetrusamartean54336 күн бұрын
nah that's just wrong (more likely 3...because 83.9 - 80.9 is 3...not 4...but then the initial one was also rising etc so I guess we can call it either one) That amount of difference in a controlled envoronment is a really great result because a few degrees go a very, very long way when you are near the throttling limit like laptops are pretty much always. On top of that, you can see that the PTM paste cools the GPU faster when the load drops as well, meaning it will always start at a lower temperature than the stock paste, which further helps in a gaming scenario when scenes can vary greatly in GPU demand. This is a pretty damn ignorant comment.
@qyygle60587 күн бұрын
I actually prefer the PTM to liquid metal on laptop. The LM usually has the best thermal performance, but it also transfers so much heat that chassis temps are usually higher as a result. When I repasted a ProArt Studio which came stock with LM to PTM, the thermals were a tiny bit higher, but at the tradeoff of much more comfortable keyboard deck temps. Just a few degrees made a huge difference in feel.
@TheMisterNebo7 күн бұрын
lol that's not a 'desk', that's a plank. I'm surprised your keyboard didn't fall off.
@tiemji7 күн бұрын
Thanks for this detailed reveiw, i really like this device
@nattaghidavood86188 күн бұрын
Great review! Could you add Peo 11 X Elite to this comparison
@roearchive63669 күн бұрын
Recall is OFF by default. It's opt-in!
@Phrish9 күн бұрын
The very first thing I tried to install (Google Drive Desktop) didn't install. Said it was incompatible with the platform. =(
@kuljitsingh25629 күн бұрын
did you upgrade your 450watt PSU?
@cbutters9 күн бұрын
nope. same one. I do not attempt overclocks and undervolt the GPU to reduce the power draw.
@nattaghidavood86189 күн бұрын
So if you want to choose between Pro 11 X Elite with 32GB RAM and Pro 10 Ultra 7 with 16GB RAM, which one would you go with? both pretty much are the same price
@cbutters9 күн бұрын
I'd come down to the needs you have rather than the RAM. So if you primarily do office work go with the Pro 11, But if you know you'll be annoyed at the worse GPU performance and limited resolutions / GPU features / no eGPU / driver compatibility go with the Intel SP10. Like I say, I don't see much reason to get the SP11 unless you value OLED and a few extra hours of battery. If you value compatibility and more mature platform and featureset, and especially if you plan to do limited gaming, get the SP10. Personally I'd pick the Pro 10 over the Pro 11 every day if it were my ONLY device.
@nattaghidavood86188 күн бұрын
@@cbutters@cbutters, thanks , I've already got a Pro 11, but it seems it's struggling to open my 3D files, I have a Pro 7 for Business, which seems to perform better! agree best I upgrade to Pro 10 FB, just would you know how intel Ultra 7 & compare to Core i 7 ?
@cbutters8 күн бұрын
@@nattaghidavood8618 my review of the sp10 includes a performance chart comparing it to all past surface devices.
@nattaghidavood86188 күн бұрын
@@cbutters@cbutters I've already seen that video, and it was very thorough, tho would be great if you could add Pro 11 X Elite to that , too!
@xHollowfied9 күн бұрын
Will this bracket fit the new y70 touch as well by chance?
@cbutters9 күн бұрын
No, but I'm getting a Y70 in soon and seeing if I can make something work. Stay Tuned.
@hoishum255510 күн бұрын
Since ARM snapdragon could run X86 programs. If apple or 3rd party provides X86 emulator for Mac ARM CPU, is it mean that window users could easily switch to Mac OS in the future?
@kalin444410 күн бұрын
I run a core i5 surface pro 9, would I be able to run cyber punk with the help of ur fan accessory?
@kalin444410 күн бұрын
probably would just get the tiny eGPU with it
@cbutters9 күн бұрын
Define: "run cyberpunk" :) It can definitely do it, but you'll have to reduce resolution, but should be pretty playable, and my fan will definitely help keep the performance up.
@cbutters9 күн бұрын
you'd be able to play cyberpunk really well on the i5 pro9 with something like the GPD G1 or any of the 7600M XT egpus floating around.
@Fuzz_10 күн бұрын
Thanks! Doing the review we all want to see n know. I'm assuming brutal Doom won't be a problem. Any idea on music software/DAWs?
@Michael-qu6fj10 күн бұрын
It's a mystery to me how those two fans can sound like they're blowing like crazy like tiny hairdryers, but when you feel the exhaust vents there's almost no air coming out. On the other hand, take a Thinkpad, any Thinkpad; the fan will make a soft whooshing sound and the air is coming strongly out of the vents. It's really no fun to use the X13 for gaming due to that annoying hair dryer fan sound.
@AleHndz10 күн бұрын
I noticed that on the X Elite, at least compared to the SP9 Intel, the time it takes going from portrait to landscape has VASTLY improved. It’s iPad level speed now. Is it as quick on the SP10 business?
@trumpalumpa936810 күн бұрын
No. This sucks. Really wanted to use this device as my handheld gaming / productivity device. Did not expect much, just something comparable to my gpd win 4. This is sad and I will cancel my preorder. I was so hopeful when they showed the control demo.
@cbutters9 күн бұрын
Yeah, to be honest I expected more than parity with the SP10. I'm sure natively compiled apps will run quite good and I imagine that theoretically it is a more powerful GPU than intel, but in practice.... it is what it is.
@christianr.58688 күн бұрын
I’d get the minisforum V3 if you want a similar form factor but with a 7840U on the inside. Worse battery life though
@trumpalumpa93688 күн бұрын
@@christianr.5868 I know, but it‘s literarily a plastic bomber and the accessories don‘t even feel half as good as the surface keyboard. Already thought of it but it‘s just not for me.
@christianr.58688 күн бұрын
@@trumpalumpa9368 yeah I was thinking the same thing. I’ve got my steam deck for gaming so I was just gonna get the surface for productivity. Hopefully drivers improve in the future and we get more arm ports for gaming though
@ThatStella792210 күн бұрын
small note on copilot+, the screenshotting is a part of Recall and recall actually will do everything on-device, from processing your screenshots to saving them. Said screenshots and processed data will be put in an encrypted database protected by windows hello ESS (what Microsoft uses for Azure AD authentication for enterprise computers), in addition to BitLocker disk encryption being enabled by default Microsoft is scared of the privacy risks which is why they committed to never using recall data to train AI models or sell it for advertising - it never leaves your computer. And they delayed Recall because they want to get it all encrypted via Hello ESS in addition to BitLocker
@shaneterrell10 күн бұрын
Given that they both run Windows on Arm, have OLED displays, have detachable keyboards, etc., would you accept the Surface Pro 11 fan noise for higher performance over the Surface Pro 9 5g or Robo & Kala 2-in-1? I love my Robo & Kala, especially that it is so light and fanless, but of course I'd always like better performance.
@cbutters10 күн бұрын
I would much prefer the Pro 11 over the Pro 9 5g, and would consider that a really big upgrade. not familiar with the Kala though. The Pro 10 vs. Pro 11 is where I don't think it isn't necessarily a better option unless you want a bit better battery life and OLED screen.
@shaneterrell10 күн бұрын
@@cbutters Great, thanks! The R&K basically has the same internals as the Pro 9 5g just in a lighter/sleeker Pro X-type body. I have a Lenovo Yoga Slim 7x 32 GB arriving soon, but I'll go to Best Buy to peep the Pro 11. 🤓
@zt923310 күн бұрын
This is by far the best discussion on this product I have come across. Thank you for being so direct. I feel like i talked to a knowledgeable friend.
@louiseboyle961810 күн бұрын
I was waiting for the review on the SP11. - Would you prefer the LCD or oled display ? - Do you see a huge different with the battery from the SP10 to SP11 ? - Anything you prefer with SP11 compare to SP10 ?
@cbutters10 күн бұрын
-OLED every time -I haven't had it long enough to say for casual video watching or mundane tasks, but the SP11 can play games for longer as it peaks at 32W vs 40W on the SP10 and also has a larger battery. -SP11 looks exactly the same as the SP10 other than oled screen, weight is the same. I guess having more AI TOPS is a benefit, although I haven't found a way to leverage that capability at all yet.
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Well done
Good comparison, it's perfect to get real values between X64 and ARM64.
The Pro 10 has anti-reflective coating which probably explains in bright conditions it appears to have deeper blacks. Buying matte AR screen protector should help a bit in theory with the 11 Pro.
The sp11 has the background light reflection in the field of view off where the sp 10 doesn’t. Maybe that is why the blacks seems brighter than the sp10.
This video is absolutely useless! Please update this to include how in the heck to get the oculus software to recognize the HDMI connection as connected, instead of the laptop just treating it as another display that it outputs directly to! Without this essential detail, there is simply NO WAY to configure the oculus software to work!
What about the heat and fan noice from the intel version?
They both get hot enough to need a fan if you push them hard. When the fan is ramped up they both make the same amount of fan noise. Granted, the Snapdragon tends to ramp less often in normal usage.
I wonder how it will fare on "balanced" my guess is intell will lose 10-20% performance and 30 to 50% power consumption?
We should hope Boeing is not using any snapdragon chipsets in their airplanes.
I'm very curious if a comparison between the V3 and the surface pro 11 😄
Nice to know the snapdragon can hang with the intel model and be twice as efficient in some cases
2 crap side by side 😂 Ryzen ai series will have field day with this two
More interested in that chip in a steam deck successor than a laptop tbh. We’ll see how efficient it really is there
Very interesting. Checking the exact power consuption is something that more reviewers should be doing!
intel is on 5nm and snapdragon on 4nm. this test tells nothing. as snapdragon is 2 generations newer process node. once intel lunar lake comes in 3 months them we will see if arm has any advantage at all. the test should have been using amd 7840u which is also on 4nm.
Finally! I needed a side by side screen test! Mind conparing the snap dragon elite vs snap dragon plus? In terms of screen and frame test! Cannot wait for a more arm friendly environment! Your fans + a tiny eGPU will do GODS WORK!!!
Hey kalin i'm testing the snap dragon x plus for gaming.. any games you'd like to see?
Apparently Qualcomm is coming out with new drivers in a couple of weeks.. Not sure if it will be enough for compatibility and most of the reviews won't get updated sadly.. Thanks for the tests👍
That's cool. Any source for that info? I'm interested.
Looking forward to that!
Nicely done. May be worth rerunning the benchmarks after a few curing cycles for the PTM to 'bed in' completely.
Hi , I have surface pro 8 and I have Ugreen 100 watt Power bank ,,,, Does it safe using it??
I have a surface pro 9 i5... Though the processing power of the V3 is tempting the surface pro 9 is just enough power for my needs and I think the refinements surrounding the build materials is not quiet enough to justify the switch. It's great to see an AMD tablet, but I think I'll wait for either the 2nd or 3rd generation to iron out some of these.
So glad I went for the Flow Z13 over the Minisforum. Great specs, but it’s obviously their first tablet.
I personally think that Microsoft and other manufacturers are going to press forward with ARM processors and twist the wrists of dev's, to start supporting it more widely. As they need products to compete with Apple's line-up.
Still working?
It died about 6 months ago.
Is this wireless or link cable?
Can I put a Samsung brand 4TB m2 solid drive on it?
yep.
How do u attach a tracker on the headset? 13:52
There is a mount you can buy (see description) then you use continuous calibration branch of playspace calibrator.
Thanks for the review. Better than most other reviews. Can you test this? Leave in standby mode both (intel & snapdragon) for 10 hours and post how much battery lost.. It's important to me. Thanks!
I will say, my 6950xt had a hotspot that would hit 112 on the hotspot regularly on open world games while the normal temp was mid to low 70s... after putting this stuff on the hotspot seems to just kiss 100c on the hotspot
Thanks for the review. With your comparison focused on the SP10, I have a Surface Pro 9 presently... would the upgrade be worth it in your opinion? I mainly run editing software (cap cut) and Publisher and Photo editing software. I'm not a gamer, but I am getting more into ai creation with (Dream Machine, Unreal Engine) ...I have a Intel Iris Xe Graphics installed and I've only had one issue notice pop up for one of the platforms. There is an Intel update, to the Intel Arc & Iris Xe Graphics, but I've read issues with upgrading to what is being recommended for this machine.
If you upgrade SP9 i5 -> SP10, I think its worth it. You'd be looking at a decent bump in cpu and GPU performance If you're upgrading a SP9 i7-> SP10 , there is only tiny CPU uplift, and just a 10-35% uplift in GPU, so may not be as worth it. You'd also get NPU on the SP10, for windows studio effects, but its really only useful so far if you use those features on video calls, so ymmv. You may have seen my video on it, but the SP10 Core 5 (135U) & Core 7 (165U) are essentially performing almost exactly the same for the SP10 generation, so unless you need 32gb of ram or something, just save the money and get the 135U version, that is if you end up deciding the upgrade is worth it for you.
Love the intro 😆
It’s literally the same as the previous generation I’ve done mine multiple times for thermal testing
Awesome! What have you found in your thermal testing?
Interesting to see significant results, seems that Microsoft needs to do better in terms of pasting. Also interesting that the CPU seems to take more power now at the cost of the GPU - maybe dedicated heat pipes left and right without overlapping would have been the better choice. Or a third shared heatpipe with a third fan, blowing out at the back where the hinges are. I kinda want to like the SLS 2, but - old and inefficient CPU, at launch we already knew about significantly better ones coming in less than 3 months - massive price increase for a bit more RAM (500 bucks for 16GB, that's insane) - ancient and mediocre LCD panel that has exactly zero HDR effect, advertising it as a 10bit HDR panel is a joke (1 dimming zone), should have been OLED or mini LED from the start - heat getting exhausted at the front towards your hands/palms is an odd choice, but probably due to design decision of the display hinges - big difference in performance between battery power and with power from cable - gets hot very quickly - device uses more than 100w under full load and the USB port cannot deliver that since Microsoft cheaped out on the potential for 140w charging, ergo you are forced to use the original microsoft charger (sux) - only low-end GPU availability, a device with this titanic price tag should have a 4060 as minimum, and go up to at least 4070, best up to a 4090 mobile - terrible battery life overall makes it a hard choice for 3000 bucks. I'd love to see a SLS 3 with a modern and efficient CPU, a bigger battery, better pricing for RAM, OLED and move the fans to the back of the device - that would be an awesome product.
Currently on recovery for my second surgery
4 degrees ain’t a lot
nah that's just wrong (more likely 3...because 83.9 - 80.9 is 3...not 4...but then the initial one was also rising etc so I guess we can call it either one) That amount of difference in a controlled envoronment is a really great result because a few degrees go a very, very long way when you are near the throttling limit like laptops are pretty much always. On top of that, you can see that the PTM paste cools the GPU faster when the load drops as well, meaning it will always start at a lower temperature than the stock paste, which further helps in a gaming scenario when scenes can vary greatly in GPU demand. This is a pretty damn ignorant comment.
I actually prefer the PTM to liquid metal on laptop. The LM usually has the best thermal performance, but it also transfers so much heat that chassis temps are usually higher as a result. When I repasted a ProArt Studio which came stock with LM to PTM, the thermals were a tiny bit higher, but at the tradeoff of much more comfortable keyboard deck temps. Just a few degrees made a huge difference in feel.
lol that's not a 'desk', that's a plank. I'm surprised your keyboard didn't fall off.
Thanks for this detailed reveiw, i really like this device
Great review! Could you add Peo 11 X Elite to this comparison
Recall is OFF by default. It's opt-in!
The very first thing I tried to install (Google Drive Desktop) didn't install. Said it was incompatible with the platform. =(
did you upgrade your 450watt PSU?
nope. same one. I do not attempt overclocks and undervolt the GPU to reduce the power draw.
So if you want to choose between Pro 11 X Elite with 32GB RAM and Pro 10 Ultra 7 with 16GB RAM, which one would you go with? both pretty much are the same price
I'd come down to the needs you have rather than the RAM. So if you primarily do office work go with the Pro 11, But if you know you'll be annoyed at the worse GPU performance and limited resolutions / GPU features / no eGPU / driver compatibility go with the Intel SP10. Like I say, I don't see much reason to get the SP11 unless you value OLED and a few extra hours of battery. If you value compatibility and more mature platform and featureset, and especially if you plan to do limited gaming, get the SP10. Personally I'd pick the Pro 10 over the Pro 11 every day if it were my ONLY device.
@@cbutters@cbutters, thanks , I've already got a Pro 11, but it seems it's struggling to open my 3D files, I have a Pro 7 for Business, which seems to perform better! agree best I upgrade to Pro 10 FB, just would you know how intel Ultra 7 & compare to Core i 7 ?
@@nattaghidavood8618 my review of the sp10 includes a performance chart comparing it to all past surface devices.
@@cbutters@cbutters I've already seen that video, and it was very thorough, tho would be great if you could add Pro 11 X Elite to that , too!
Will this bracket fit the new y70 touch as well by chance?
No, but I'm getting a Y70 in soon and seeing if I can make something work. Stay Tuned.
Since ARM snapdragon could run X86 programs. If apple or 3rd party provides X86 emulator for Mac ARM CPU, is it mean that window users could easily switch to Mac OS in the future?
I run a core i5 surface pro 9, would I be able to run cyber punk with the help of ur fan accessory?
probably would just get the tiny eGPU with it
Define: "run cyberpunk" :) It can definitely do it, but you'll have to reduce resolution, but should be pretty playable, and my fan will definitely help keep the performance up.
you'd be able to play cyberpunk really well on the i5 pro9 with something like the GPD G1 or any of the 7600M XT egpus floating around.
Thanks! Doing the review we all want to see n know. I'm assuming brutal Doom won't be a problem. Any idea on music software/DAWs?
It's a mystery to me how those two fans can sound like they're blowing like crazy like tiny hairdryers, but when you feel the exhaust vents there's almost no air coming out. On the other hand, take a Thinkpad, any Thinkpad; the fan will make a soft whooshing sound and the air is coming strongly out of the vents. It's really no fun to use the X13 for gaming due to that annoying hair dryer fan sound.
I noticed that on the X Elite, at least compared to the SP9 Intel, the time it takes going from portrait to landscape has VASTLY improved. It’s iPad level speed now. Is it as quick on the SP10 business?
No. This sucks. Really wanted to use this device as my handheld gaming / productivity device. Did not expect much, just something comparable to my gpd win 4. This is sad and I will cancel my preorder. I was so hopeful when they showed the control demo.
Yeah, to be honest I expected more than parity with the SP10. I'm sure natively compiled apps will run quite good and I imagine that theoretically it is a more powerful GPU than intel, but in practice.... it is what it is.
I’d get the minisforum V3 if you want a similar form factor but with a 7840U on the inside. Worse battery life though
@@christianr.5868 I know, but it‘s literarily a plastic bomber and the accessories don‘t even feel half as good as the surface keyboard. Already thought of it but it‘s just not for me.
@@trumpalumpa9368 yeah I was thinking the same thing. I’ve got my steam deck for gaming so I was just gonna get the surface for productivity. Hopefully drivers improve in the future and we get more arm ports for gaming though
small note on copilot+, the screenshotting is a part of Recall and recall actually will do everything on-device, from processing your screenshots to saving them. Said screenshots and processed data will be put in an encrypted database protected by windows hello ESS (what Microsoft uses for Azure AD authentication for enterprise computers), in addition to BitLocker disk encryption being enabled by default Microsoft is scared of the privacy risks which is why they committed to never using recall data to train AI models or sell it for advertising - it never leaves your computer. And they delayed Recall because they want to get it all encrypted via Hello ESS in addition to BitLocker
Given that they both run Windows on Arm, have OLED displays, have detachable keyboards, etc., would you accept the Surface Pro 11 fan noise for higher performance over the Surface Pro 9 5g or Robo & Kala 2-in-1? I love my Robo & Kala, especially that it is so light and fanless, but of course I'd always like better performance.
I would much prefer the Pro 11 over the Pro 9 5g, and would consider that a really big upgrade. not familiar with the Kala though. The Pro 10 vs. Pro 11 is where I don't think it isn't necessarily a better option unless you want a bit better battery life and OLED screen.
@@cbutters Great, thanks! The R&K basically has the same internals as the Pro 9 5g just in a lighter/sleeker Pro X-type body. I have a Lenovo Yoga Slim 7x 32 GB arriving soon, but I'll go to Best Buy to peep the Pro 11. 🤓
This is by far the best discussion on this product I have come across. Thank you for being so direct. I feel like i talked to a knowledgeable friend.
I was waiting for the review on the SP11. - Would you prefer the LCD or oled display ? - Do you see a huge different with the battery from the SP10 to SP11 ? - Anything you prefer with SP11 compare to SP10 ?
-OLED every time -I haven't had it long enough to say for casual video watching or mundane tasks, but the SP11 can play games for longer as it peaks at 32W vs 40W on the SP10 and also has a larger battery. -SP11 looks exactly the same as the SP10 other than oled screen, weight is the same. I guess having more AI TOPS is a benefit, although I haven't found a way to leverage that capability at all yet.