But does MVP actually use only one injection point in their single molds...? I think MVP actually uses rim injection points on their solo mold discs. At least I remember them showing some experimental runs where they did that.
@frisbeephil13 сағат бұрын
Can we all agree to stop saying, "let's go."
@zephal16 сағат бұрын
Ah the elephant condom factory trying to save a few bucks
@B1three822 сағат бұрын
Man that was an amazing journey through the process. All my green discs are flippy? Any way too cool
@B1three822 сағат бұрын
So once done all good how many discs can ya make in 24 hours? Always wondered.
@ridemx141623 сағат бұрын
I'm really curious about these disc's. I'm pretty picky I don't carry very many. Would maybe like to switch it up
@geskma6368Күн бұрын
Dude!!! I bought a dragon like two days ago! It’s my fav disc
@DolphaysDiscGolfКүн бұрын
Super cool video, Jesse! Love how you pull back the curtains on disc manufacturing and share it with the world. As a fellow disc golf nerd thank you!
@aliakseimemelau3Күн бұрын
This got me wondering, why can't a disc be injected from a rim (like an overmold, but a full disc, rim and flight plate)? Or can it, but with some significant drawbacks?
@DarxtarOfficialКүн бұрын
That was actually sick 😂
@CoasterComedyКүн бұрын
Wow! What a great shot!
@OfficiallyReviewedКүн бұрын
JMilly the 🐐
@tylerking7890Күн бұрын
Lol dang. No chains! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@matta1899Күн бұрын
Thought this would be a fun little video to see, then the complete, as other's have said, "nerd out" was way more interesting than I thought.
@tonykazeКүн бұрын
The XCOM ones are super common. It's a fairly big Chinese company that copies US moulds and sells them for less. They will also put any stamp/brand you want on them so there are a ton of random discs out there that are secretly XCOM. Griffon is one of their most popular discs.
@imaginat1on382Күн бұрын
those colors are sick
@boulder2sticksКүн бұрын
Great Video Jesse! May I ask what you do with the Vibram discs you receive? I guess any rubber/rubber blend disc. Also, can you make a video on the difference between Polyethylene, Polypropylene and Polyurethane? In another video you searched for new plastic sources and I instantly thought of roadside garbage bins as they have to be very durable, but it seems as if they are typically made of the first 2 although Polyurethane can withstand greater temperatures, but I assume is more flexible as urethane is used often in caulk and other flexible products. Lastly, your content is truly the only DG content that makes me want to instantly go purchase something which is a great complement to your dedication, integrity, and personability!
@Jono.Күн бұрын
I work at an EV company designing plastic injection molded parts. This is a really fun video, thanks for making it. I’ve wondered about the air eject marks on the MVP discs, that was amazing to hear from someone in the industry. The witness marks being near invisible on the overnold for MVP discs is incredible. I have so many more questions on what grade of tool steel is used in the mold (you mentioned 100K shots, seems like P20). I’ve also wondered about sink marks on the rims of discs due to the thick sections; Somewhat related, it’s interesting to hear some of the challenges with gate location on the bottom of the disc. Has anyone tried to use a multi gate mold and injecting on either side of the rim? You’ve also confirmed my hypothesis that the colorant would affect mold parameters that might change overall wing shape. It was wild to see the red colorant flashing on Robbie’s disc. You mentioned CFD - I’d love to know what software you use to analyze discs and how a disc is simulated. Also: do you have any insight into “halo” plastics and other types? My assumption here is the big league manufacturers are using Hot Runner systems to inject correct color ratios but I’d love to know if you have any insight! Awesome vid.
@lawrencetchenКүн бұрын
Hobby universes colliding... In the custom mechanical keyboard hobby we use various durometer materials (gaskets in various shapes) ranging from 30A to 90A!
@kruksogКүн бұрын
Another reason for the central injection point might be exactly that. Geometrically, that point is the center, so plastic flows outward evenly from there. That's just a guess as a math nerd.
@trevorpandher3080Күн бұрын
i feel the bottom and chain diameter should stay, but the bucket part that is wider should be flaired out.
@awguitar86Күн бұрын
This was so fascinating!! Thank you!
@JohnRiderКүн бұрын
Ok Jesse, now I want to know how the process parameters affect the discs flight stability. If it’s in the different temp/pressure profile, or if it does something to the surface finish that affects flight. Maybe it’s a good problem to solve with a DOE??
@cyclonesurfer2 күн бұрын
Jesse, There are at least three other solutions to your thick to thin molding problem. 1. Injection compression aka coining. Coining combines compression and injection processes in specialized machines that were developed for making compact disks. 2. Foaming which injects gas into plastic. 3. Collapsible cores allow a undercut on the core that would hollow out the thick sections. A major benefit of using 1 & 2 is the Injection pressure is dramatically reduced allowing the use of low cost molds and less ware and tare on the molds. I worked on a project that looked into using the above approaches on low-cost 3D printed injection molds. I can explain more if you want to reach out.
@msully19902 күн бұрын
Maybe if you threw the wooden one right. Put that shit on a steep hyzer and let it flip out jeepers
@adriandiaz-cabrera17332 күн бұрын
Fucking why...
@JosephTanner912 күн бұрын
I always heard that pink discraft discs back in the 2010s were more overstable than their other colors
@spencerplunkett99202 күн бұрын
I really like what you did- would like to see the smaller basket with a bit thicker chains- absolutely love the idea just like would be so hard to alter all DG baskets around the world- but could be do-able for an entity like the DGPT
@ridemx14162 күн бұрын
Looks like you need to make some with dimples
@GreatDaneRock2 күн бұрын
Why not over-mold with the same plastic, so the same feel all around? And for you more critically, fully recyclable,. Maybe also it's easier on the machines. Sure, a PITA when it's time to change molds, double the work?
@NAC-6532 күн бұрын
a guy that joined our group last week hit an ace with an Arrow, he had 2 of em...dope disc indeed!
@Completelycorydiscgolf3 күн бұрын
Why doesn’t anyone do the twin injection like MVP over mold but to fill the whole disc?
@TrashPandaDiscGolf3 күн бұрын
@@Completelycorydiscgolf that’s actually a great question 🤔
@dabeastieboys33 күн бұрын
Why can’t you inject from the wings in. I assume this is what mvp does for the overmold so it shouldn’t affect flight and would be more consistent?
@ridemx14163 күн бұрын
Send me a few to field test further.
@DannyFuego1Love3 күн бұрын
You lost me at "the polecat is the best disc of all time" nonsense.
@The.Cow963 күн бұрын
You clearly didn't hear the rest then....
@Tom-m5r2 күн бұрын
Because He was Lost.. 😢
@douggiefreshdg3 күн бұрын
One of the best yet 😎🤙
@gaymer56973 күн бұрын
Tbh i though that was a condom and i was kinda worried about the recycling bit. Sir where do yoj get all these used condoms from? Probably would ahve taken more than that 60 hours.
@Jordanio693 күн бұрын
Hey Jesse, I work in a manufacturing factory. I throw away 300-500 plastic buckets a month. Black and white buckets. They don't feel to different than disc's. Would love to work something out to get you guys some to try. If you're interested.
@DHxJarsyl3 күн бұрын
Am I the only one that thought these were giant fing condoms?
@vincentpelletier12463 күн бұрын
Damn, we've reached rock bottom when shorts dont actually show something but rather a video trailer
@E50creative3 күн бұрын
Disc regen
@DougWanoysBurner3 күн бұрын
Shout out Sam Tallent
@chives84203 күн бұрын
Great video. Your journey is so interesting. Thanks.
@QuB33 күн бұрын
This was so enlightening! Thanks Jesse!
@johanahonen86273 күн бұрын
I don't now anything about disc golf. But from a philosophical angel this is right up my alley. Look up the ship of Theseus. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus Sorry for my bad English.
@unhander3 күн бұрын
Is it just me, or did it look like a giant condom?
@dccdom3 күн бұрын
Thnx Jesse, we be learnin more every day...much respect!
@jessehenderson8363 күн бұрын
This is so cool. My dad’s company does injection molding for medical infusion pumps. Hearing you talk about this is really interesting given how different discs are from other products. A while back he confirmed to me that color would 100% affect discs because they have specific colors that they can’t use otherwise their pumps cavitation won’t be up to their tolerances for failure. It’s fascinating. I have a run of pink/light blue halo emperors that are just stupid overstable compared to emperors from the same run that are different colors. This is the first time I’ve stumbled into one of your videos, I’m definitely picking up an ice inner core next time I’m at a shop, you’ve got a supporter for life this is way cool.
@alexanderbivolcic3 күн бұрын
Why not inject classic discs with injection points on the outside?
@user-ic8vy1xs4g3 күн бұрын
Air poppet is for de-molding. I made buckets and for years and used them in my tools. Definitely for consistency and being able to use an end of arm tool for it!
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But does MVP actually use only one injection point in their single molds...? I think MVP actually uses rim injection points on their solo mold discs. At least I remember them showing some experimental runs where they did that.
Can we all agree to stop saying, "let's go."
Ah the elephant condom factory trying to save a few bucks
Man that was an amazing journey through the process. All my green discs are flippy? Any way too cool
So once done all good how many discs can ya make in 24 hours? Always wondered.
I'm really curious about these disc's. I'm pretty picky I don't carry very many. Would maybe like to switch it up
Dude!!! I bought a dragon like two days ago! It’s my fav disc
Super cool video, Jesse! Love how you pull back the curtains on disc manufacturing and share it with the world. As a fellow disc golf nerd thank you!
This got me wondering, why can't a disc be injected from a rim (like an overmold, but a full disc, rim and flight plate)? Or can it, but with some significant drawbacks?
That was actually sick 😂
Wow! What a great shot!
JMilly the 🐐
Lol dang. No chains! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Thought this would be a fun little video to see, then the complete, as other's have said, "nerd out" was way more interesting than I thought.
The XCOM ones are super common. It's a fairly big Chinese company that copies US moulds and sells them for less. They will also put any stamp/brand you want on them so there are a ton of random discs out there that are secretly XCOM. Griffon is one of their most popular discs.
those colors are sick
Great Video Jesse! May I ask what you do with the Vibram discs you receive? I guess any rubber/rubber blend disc. Also, can you make a video on the difference between Polyethylene, Polypropylene and Polyurethane? In another video you searched for new plastic sources and I instantly thought of roadside garbage bins as they have to be very durable, but it seems as if they are typically made of the first 2 although Polyurethane can withstand greater temperatures, but I assume is more flexible as urethane is used often in caulk and other flexible products. Lastly, your content is truly the only DG content that makes me want to instantly go purchase something which is a great complement to your dedication, integrity, and personability!
I work at an EV company designing plastic injection molded parts. This is a really fun video, thanks for making it. I’ve wondered about the air eject marks on the MVP discs, that was amazing to hear from someone in the industry. The witness marks being near invisible on the overnold for MVP discs is incredible. I have so many more questions on what grade of tool steel is used in the mold (you mentioned 100K shots, seems like P20). I’ve also wondered about sink marks on the rims of discs due to the thick sections; Somewhat related, it’s interesting to hear some of the challenges with gate location on the bottom of the disc. Has anyone tried to use a multi gate mold and injecting on either side of the rim? You’ve also confirmed my hypothesis that the colorant would affect mold parameters that might change overall wing shape. It was wild to see the red colorant flashing on Robbie’s disc. You mentioned CFD - I’d love to know what software you use to analyze discs and how a disc is simulated. Also: do you have any insight into “halo” plastics and other types? My assumption here is the big league manufacturers are using Hot Runner systems to inject correct color ratios but I’d love to know if you have any insight! Awesome vid.
Hobby universes colliding... In the custom mechanical keyboard hobby we use various durometer materials (gaskets in various shapes) ranging from 30A to 90A!
Another reason for the central injection point might be exactly that. Geometrically, that point is the center, so plastic flows outward evenly from there. That's just a guess as a math nerd.
i feel the bottom and chain diameter should stay, but the bucket part that is wider should be flaired out.
This was so fascinating!! Thank you!
Ok Jesse, now I want to know how the process parameters affect the discs flight stability. If it’s in the different temp/pressure profile, or if it does something to the surface finish that affects flight. Maybe it’s a good problem to solve with a DOE??
Jesse, There are at least three other solutions to your thick to thin molding problem. 1. Injection compression aka coining. Coining combines compression and injection processes in specialized machines that were developed for making compact disks. 2. Foaming which injects gas into plastic. 3. Collapsible cores allow a undercut on the core that would hollow out the thick sections. A major benefit of using 1 & 2 is the Injection pressure is dramatically reduced allowing the use of low cost molds and less ware and tare on the molds. I worked on a project that looked into using the above approaches on low-cost 3D printed injection molds. I can explain more if you want to reach out.
Maybe if you threw the wooden one right. Put that shit on a steep hyzer and let it flip out jeepers
Fucking why...
I always heard that pink discraft discs back in the 2010s were more overstable than their other colors
I really like what you did- would like to see the smaller basket with a bit thicker chains- absolutely love the idea just like would be so hard to alter all DG baskets around the world- but could be do-able for an entity like the DGPT
Looks like you need to make some with dimples
Why not over-mold with the same plastic, so the same feel all around? And for you more critically, fully recyclable,. Maybe also it's easier on the machines. Sure, a PITA when it's time to change molds, double the work?
a guy that joined our group last week hit an ace with an Arrow, he had 2 of em...dope disc indeed!
Why doesn’t anyone do the twin injection like MVP over mold but to fill the whole disc?
@@Completelycorydiscgolf that’s actually a great question 🤔
Why can’t you inject from the wings in. I assume this is what mvp does for the overmold so it shouldn’t affect flight and would be more consistent?
Send me a few to field test further.
You lost me at "the polecat is the best disc of all time" nonsense.
You clearly didn't hear the rest then....
Because He was Lost.. 😢
One of the best yet 😎🤙
Tbh i though that was a condom and i was kinda worried about the recycling bit. Sir where do yoj get all these used condoms from? Probably would ahve taken more than that 60 hours.
Hey Jesse, I work in a manufacturing factory. I throw away 300-500 plastic buckets a month. Black and white buckets. They don't feel to different than disc's. Would love to work something out to get you guys some to try. If you're interested.
Am I the only one that thought these were giant fing condoms?
Damn, we've reached rock bottom when shorts dont actually show something but rather a video trailer
Disc regen
Shout out Sam Tallent
Great video. Your journey is so interesting. Thanks.
This was so enlightening! Thanks Jesse!
I don't now anything about disc golf. But from a philosophical angel this is right up my alley. Look up the ship of Theseus. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus Sorry for my bad English.
Is it just me, or did it look like a giant condom?
Thnx Jesse, we be learnin more every day...much respect!
This is so cool. My dad’s company does injection molding for medical infusion pumps. Hearing you talk about this is really interesting given how different discs are from other products. A while back he confirmed to me that color would 100% affect discs because they have specific colors that they can’t use otherwise their pumps cavitation won’t be up to their tolerances for failure. It’s fascinating. I have a run of pink/light blue halo emperors that are just stupid overstable compared to emperors from the same run that are different colors. This is the first time I’ve stumbled into one of your videos, I’m definitely picking up an ice inner core next time I’m at a shop, you’ve got a supporter for life this is way cool.
Why not inject classic discs with injection points on the outside?
Air poppet is for de-molding. I made buckets and for years and used them in my tools. Definitely for consistency and being able to use an end of arm tool for it!