Hello and welcome to my channel about Inductor-recordings of the VVVF inverters from Trains, Trams, electric buses etc. as well as machines, containing VFDs.
I generally accept requests for inductor recordings for public transportation vehicles within my country (Germany) for now, unless I travel to somewhere else, where I will then post about the visiting country and what public transportation vehicles I should (try to) record. However, it is NOT guaranteed that the recordings will work on all public transportation vehicles due to the fact that some of these vehicles have a too noisy H-Bridge system that covers the PWM-signal noises, generated by the inverter that we want to hear.
P.S.: This is the second channel of ZefiroFireMS7, specifically for this purpose.
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Can you make ICE 3 sound?
already exists
I actually attempted to record it, though it is quite hard to do it because of the noise by the inverter and the overhead power lines. Additionally, there are already recordings out there.
@@firetraxxms4 you know, you can try it on the end cars in the outer areas, maybe it works there. I myself also had some issues but figured that out
@@firetraxxms4 Link?
@Myron0117 That’s where I attempted to record, but the main problems are the overhead power lines messing with my recording.
hello ¿the stadler flirt class 745 EMU of the greater anglia are equipped with ABB BORDLINE IGBT-VVVF?
I would assume so. Stadler uses (from what I know) ABB all the time for the FLIRTs they produce.
That driver certainly worked a lot on the brake there^^ The last part sounded suspiciously like "direct-self-control" to me, but it would've been the first time I'd see it from standstill... Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a lot of info around for this...
Yeah unfortunately there isn’t much about this train‘s inverter… I also assume that the driver behaved like that because it was very wet and slippery on the rails and some modulations might come from wheel slipping… The last part is in fact the „Asynchronous 550Hz with Random Carrier Frequency Modulation (RCFM), which can sometimes look and/or sound like DSC as you described.
@@firetraxxms4 Ah I see, interesting. Thanks^^
Wish I could identify the pulse pattern but I need the waveform for reference!
The pulse patterns are written in the description box
AnsaldoBreda (Renamed Hitachi Italy) Technorogy
Modulation is surprisingly similar to CR400BF.
sounds like the 1st gen Acela Express even though both of them were built by Alstom & Bombardier & I'm not from the northeast US nor have I been there
Those ones use Alstom GTO-VVVF, this is Siemens GTO-VVVF.
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Do Talinns' CAFs are equipped with CAF IGBT inverters?
The CAF trams in Talinn (from what I’ve read on Wikipedia) seem to be Urbos trams as well (Urbos AXL). So I would assume they have CAF-IGBT inverters as well, but I‘m not sure. CAF is (as far as I’m aware) known for not using their own inverters like the CAF MA300 for the Rome Metro, which uses Bombardier-IGBT, or the NS SNG, which is a CAF Civity with a Mitsubishi-SiC inverter. Additionally, CAF often utilises the Direct Self Control (DSC) and/or Direct Self Regulation (DSR). The DSC on the Urbos 3-100 is audible in real as well, although it’s quiet. My suggestion is to listen for DSC/DSR, that usually comes after the Asynchronous part, to have at least an indication, that it could be a CAF-IGBT inverter. I hope I could help a bit.
@@firetraxxms4Most CAF Urbos trams use inverters from CAF Power & Automation. That company was created by acquiring propulsion manufacturer Trainelec. Many of their full size metro trains, EMUs and other trains now use those products also. A few examples of CAF (Trainelec) propulsion in a heavy metro setting would include the Caracas Metro and Bucharest Metro. As for motors, CAF typically specifiies those components from Traktionssysteme Austria (most recent projects including Urbos trams) or ABB.
I think the modulation is Async-Sync 15p (svpwm)-9p(svpwm)-9p(edge pulse)-7p(EP)-5p(EP)-w3p-1p
Hello ¿this is Alstom ONIX 253 SRD?
Yes it is
Other operators are VVO MDV RE50 Leipzig Riesa Coswig Dresden Hbf VVO VBB RB31 RE15/18 Hoyerswerda/Cottbus/Elsterwerda-Priestewitz-Coswig-Dresden Hbf VRR VRS RE9 Siegen Koln Aachen. Knew those from Train Sim World
Is there a synchronous mode here?
I think at 1:52 is where the synchronous pattern starts.
I think the interference is actually caused by the aluminium body, which does make inductor recording hard.
Isn’t the body connected to ground? I mean the noise varies, depending on how I position the „inductor“.
@@firetraxxms4 Well, despite the aluminium body, the inverter is machine room mounted on this train according to the Stadler datasheet. And it's only accessible in the crew cabin.
I mean it’s possible that it is coming from the inverter since the cabin was right behind me where I recorded.
Can I give two suggestions of inductor recordings? Both use adtranz vvvf. For Italy, e.464 AND for germany, BR423. Thanks from Brazil.
Hey. For the BR423, it isn’t possible to record due to the very loud H-Bridge noises which makes the actual sound inaudible. For the FS E.464 it’s unfortunately not possible to record it because it’s a locomotive and I have no access to go there and record it. I’m sorry for not accomplishing your suggestions.
@@firetraxxms4 no problem.
@@firetraxxms4s this train rising in frequency or in pulses and it sounds so beautiful in real life listen closely you can hear some pulses before the sound disappears
From my knowledge, it is rising its carrier frequency and it sounds like rising too. But yeah, it does sound nice in real life as well.
@@firetraxxms4For the E464, just simply go to the last carriage right behind the locomotive and sit at the very back - it's quite audible!
Did you record the TSR or TAF?
I was sitting right above the traction motor and I just put my „Inductor“ upright on the floor
Hey! Which electronic parts did you use to record, two 100 mH coils, one for each channel? And what do you mean by H-bridge sound, and what could be done against it? And which recorder did you use? I'd be very happy if you could answer my question 😀 I'm another train sound lover!
Hey. It’s actually written in the description about the recording equipment. With the H-Bridge noises I mean the other noise generated by the inverter that messes with the Inductor and as of now, I don’t really see any way to get rid of this noise because the inductance might be over 100mH and it’s really sensitive to any other electric noise. I hope this answers your question (:
Really nice!