just fixed mine the same way. Parts cost $.70. thanks for the video
@stevensheldon92714 ай бұрын
Glad it worked for you!
@TheRosepet4 ай бұрын
Hi mine had the exact same issue. However, instead of screwing the holes through the metal, which fixates the adjuster distance and does not allow the spring to keep the band tightened. Instead, I screwed two holes just beside the adjuster metal plate, and then I used two flat countersunk head screws. I did not tighten them a lot, so allowing the adjuster to slide with the spring. But your tip, gave me the clue.😊
@stevensheldon92714 ай бұрын
Sounds like a better way!
@skylerslack125 ай бұрын
What are the dimensions for the 1855 powder cylinder sheets?
@stevensheldon92715 ай бұрын
You can find them on page 114 of this book: www.google.com/books/edition/Reports_of_Experiments_with_Small_Arms_f/b4dAAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1
@stevensheldon92715 ай бұрын
You can buy a template with a mandrel here: www.forth-armoury.com/cartridge-template-kits.html#/
@skylerslack125 ай бұрын
@stevensheldon9271 what kind of paper did you use for the powder chamber? Kraft paper?
@stevensheldon92715 ай бұрын
@@skylerslack12At Home Depot / Lowes there are two kinds of masking paper in the paint section. One is a flimsy, newspaper-like paper that is good for the outer pieces. They also sell a heavier paper that works well for the powder chamber.
@hjkleman6 ай бұрын
Hello, I have the exact problem, I know how to fix it. Also your comment about the tension will be helpfull. Thanks.
@cjwallwork6 ай бұрын
Thanks Steven - I only needed to clean the inside of the glass on my Epson 3170 (it had a slightly cloudy deposit on the inside surface) but your video showed me how to open it up. Useful.
@ailanolsen11 ай бұрын
Go knights!
@blueduck9409 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Can you give us the paper dimensions? Thanks.
Or, you can buy a template with forming tool here: www.forth-armoury.com/cartridge-template-kits.html
@brianthomson6896 Жыл бұрын
Too far away to see anything.
@stevensheldon9271 Жыл бұрын
Yeah it's kind of a crummy video.
@missingthe80s582 жыл бұрын
What, you guys don't get continuously electrocuted when reloading with BP? This isn't normal? Here I was lead to believe it happened to anyone loading with black powder.
@pastorbill7142 жыл бұрын
Steve - would the 1862 cartridge be compliant with N-SSA rules for a Cook & Bros carbine? Just getting involved w/N-SSA, and appreciate the instruction (shooting video too)
@stevensheldon92712 жыл бұрын
Yes, with the help of John Robey I was able to get the N-SSA rules changed to allow the use of US-style paper cartridges for general use (instead of just in the Traditional Match as it was previously). The N-SSA allows this style of cartridge because no paper goes down the bore when using it. It is simply a carrier for the powder and bullet. One of my teammates shoots with historical cartridges and he is plenty fast with them!
@marcusmason34402 жыл бұрын
Could that be a reflection/ mirror image from the other side of the bore? If it is a fault then Pedersoli will want to know. I contacted them about a misaligned cylinder on a new pistol and they not only re made original my pistol but returned it in a case with full accessories. I was living in Greece at the time and went to collect it from the factory in Gardonne and was treated to a guided tour and an amazing lunch.
@stevensheldon92712 жыл бұрын
If it was a reflection I think the spiral would go in the opposite way (to match what is at the opposite side of the bore).
@marcusmason34402 жыл бұрын
@@stevensheldon9271 I couldnt work out if the mirror would reverse the image or not.....just a thought. Does it shoot well? I recently bought a borescope and spoiled my day when I found out that most of my surplus rifles looked rough but still shot well......classic example of Ignorance is bliss ! Best wishes and seasons greetings from the UK.
@stevensheldon92712 жыл бұрын
@@marcusmason3440 Yes, it shoots very well, especially since I have discovered the secret of using "Christmas tree" bullets where the first driving band is small enough to fit into the bore. Thus the bullet "headspaces" on the second driving band, not the first. This enables the bullet to be more closely aligned coaxially with the bore due to it already being started int the bore. Cartridge Sharps shooters have known and done this for a long time - their bullets protrude out of the cartridge a considerable distance and go into the bore of the gun. I had to have a custom mold made to do this. None of the commercial Christmas Tree bullets do this with my Pedersoli 1859 Sharps.
@southron18612 жыл бұрын
Good to see a video that was made to show these cartridges in use. I love the taste of gunpowder in the morning 👍🏻
@olheghtt2 жыл бұрын
Wow! I would never have thought that!...edit...although you should have lit the BP with a match to prove it was BP.
@stevensheldon92712 жыл бұрын
True, I did not think of doing that since I have lit many test batches before. But you are right, for the video it would be better to have shown it lighting off!
@Flintlock852 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Very nice job!! One small correction regarding the lubricating mixture of the 1855/56 style cartridge, (mentioned at around time mark 1:53), is actually the reverse of what is stated in the video. The official "Small Arms - 1856" document calls for the bullets to be lubricated in 3 parts tallow to 1 part beeswax, not the other way around.
@stevensheldon92712 жыл бұрын
Good catch!
@Flintlock852 жыл бұрын
@@stevensheldon9271 Steve - Hopefully, I didn't sound too critical about that info. Before my comment, I went back and double checked the "Small Arms" document...actually hoping I was wrong, since the mixture of 3 parts tallow to 1 part wax makes for a very greasy cartridge at times. Depending on temperature, it can actually start soaking through the outer paper once completed. No wonder they changed the mixture. I actually think 3 parts wax to 1 part tallow would do better. I really wish this video had been around many years ago when I had nothing but the written word of the ordnance manuals to follow! One quick question - what type of paper do you use for the inner 1"x2" powder cylinder of the 1855 cartridge? I have no reference to how thick the "rocket paper" was back in the day. I find if I use ordinary copy/printer paper the 1"x2" cylinder portion things come out fine. If I use heavier card stock paper for the powder cylinder, there just isn't enough paper of the inner wrapper to fold over and glue without a small hole in the middle which powder can sift through. Once again, very well done video! Thank you for taking the time to do it!
@stevensheldon92712 жыл бұрын
@@Flintlock85 It was just a screw-up on my part. Traditional thinking in the 1850s in England was that more tallow was better for making the anti-fouling agent more greasy. By the 1860s it was discovered that tallow actually encouraged corrosion of the lead, increasing its diameter. The British eventually settled on 100% beeswax as the ideal anti-fouling agent. My guess is the United States followed a similar trajectory with the pre-1860 lubricant being 1:3 beeswax:tallow, and in the 1861 manual becoming 1:8 tallow:beeswax.
@stevensheldon92712 жыл бұрын
@@Flintlock85 Home Depot sells large rolls of masking paper which is thick, almost like a construction paper. This is what I use for the stiffener in the 1855 cartridge. I believe the Ordnance manual calls it "rocket paper". As I recall there is actually a section in the Ordnance Manual that describes paper and the tests to test it to determine if it is up-to-spec. Of course period paper was mostly cotton rag and most paper today is made from wood pulp. It doesn't make much difference for US-style cartridges since all the paper is discarded, unlike the British cartridge where the paper forms a patch for the bullet.
@Flintlock852 жыл бұрын
@@stevensheldon9271 Good information...thanks! I use 3-M masking paper for my cartridges, (1861 pattern), as it is the closest thing I have found in modern times which comes close to the color and thickness of original cartridges in my collection. The "rocket paper" was more of a mystery to me, and the card stock paper I tried was just a little too thick. I will have to get some of the stuff you mentioned in your last reply. Thanks once again!!
@dr.durellshepard3983 жыл бұрын
Hello Steve, Thanks so much for sharing your time, knowledge, and craftsmanship. Great information.....Doc
When I called and told them it was leaking from under the plastic flange, they immediately said it needed to be replaced.
@mevineven8693 жыл бұрын
Why taking time to make cartridge when you could put it directly to the rifle
@stevensheldon92713 жыл бұрын
I'm afraid I don't understand your question.
@erasgonehistoricalmolds24003 жыл бұрын
Good shooting, guys!
@robertcaudill16603 жыл бұрын
Can this technique be done with modern black powder rifles and pistols
@stevensheldon92713 жыл бұрын
Yes. All of my guns are modern reproductions of historic arms.
@ChodaStanks3 жыл бұрын
Which rifle is this?
@stevensheldon92713 жыл бұрын
Pedersoli 1959 Sharps Carbine.
@robertbriggs44383 жыл бұрын
Is this Peyton Manning?
@LoremIpsum19703 жыл бұрын
Check out the ctmuzzleloaders experiments page, The IdahoanShow had similar experience a month or so back...
@stevensheldon92713 жыл бұрын
Yup, I've seen the ct page years ago.
@gotsloco18103 жыл бұрын
That was unimpressive yet enlightening. Obviously not enough heat. Nicely done
@Shadowmourne073 жыл бұрын
the US style cartridge wasn't as fast to load and it also had more fouling issues as the gases got around the skirt more often plus the paper drags some of the fouling out with it.
@string-bag3 жыл бұрын
Steve how thick is the 9lb onion skin paper, Please and Thank you? Great instructional video.
@benrobertson78553 жыл бұрын
Hi.i haven't ever paper patched my original p53,but might give it a go.. I do p.p my .40 1865 sporting rifle.i use baking paper,here in nz its slightly greased on one side and thin.i dip the strip in water ,roll twice around and turn over the base, which I leave about 3 mm protruding past the base...once dried it shrinks round the lube groves.then on shooting day I heat up my lubes.( 49% olive oil ,49% bees wax,2 % engine oil) I keep my premeasured charge separate to avoid lubes contaminating the charge. Thanks for you great video.
@ricardoalbuquerque44513 жыл бұрын
👏👏👏
@mrleechapman76154 жыл бұрын
You could always wax dip then add powder afterwards and twist the powder in
@94thohio5774 жыл бұрын
More knowledgeable than most, but why brown paper? Yes, originals are brown after aging more than 150 years, but what did they look like when new? Also, formers should be bullet diameters, not weapon bore diameters.
@stevensheldon92714 жыл бұрын
There are many surviving examples of cartridges made of truly white paper. Many British Enfield cartridges were made of white paper, and remain white to this day. My suspicion is that most US style cartridges were made of a brownish paper. But, if you read Thomas' Round Ball to Rimfire, even though the photos are mostly black and white, you can see that surviving cartridges come in a variety of hues. One Confederate arsenal US style cartridge is said to have paper of a "pinkish" hue. The biggest discrepancy is not probably the color but the raw materials of the paper itself. Paper of the era was generally "cotton rag" paper. Modern paper is mostly made from wood pulp. My mandrel is .58" which is sufficient for any "58 caliber" arm. The US style cartridge was discarded and not loaded in the bore so it only needs to be sized to hold the bullet well. My competition guns use .576 and .578 bullets - a .58" mandrel works fine for these. The dowel does not need to be precision-sized. I might be better served with a slightly smaller mandrel for making the powder chamber so that the outer diameter of the powder cylinder matches the bullet diameter.
@94thohio5774 жыл бұрын
@@stevensheldon9271 Thanks for the reply. My goal has always been to make cartridges like the war issued ones. I assume bullets of about .575 dia., and lubed. My former of less than .580 works well. The only reference to the paper that I have found is that it was "unbleached", or at least an off white color. We need to find an expert in paper making in the 19th century. Best wishes, Kerry
@maryachoba25704 жыл бұрын
There is a leak at the root of my hot water heater pipe. Leaking from the hot water pipe on the top of the tank. Please advice. And also let me know if you can fix it. Thanks.
@antonettewatts40464 жыл бұрын
These water heaters are trash.
@samson85424 жыл бұрын
What's a good brand?
@TheDave5704 жыл бұрын
You can use wax paper!
@stevensheldon92714 жыл бұрын
Great idea!
@Exile-db6fj4 жыл бұрын
Hey Steven Woke up today with water leaking. It's coming from the same area as this video. What parts and how much did it cost to replace. Thanks in advance
@stevensheldon92714 жыл бұрын
I just returned it to Lowes and got a new water heater, as the unit was brand new. I called AO Smith and they told me to return it to the store and get a replacement, and they gave me a code. They would not, however, reimburse me for my labor to uninstall and re-install, even though I bought the extended warranty from Lowe's which covers it. AO Smith would reimburse a professional installer up to $100, and Lowes would pay up to $300 but again reimbursement to a professional installer. What I should have done was written up a fake invoice and gotten paid for my troubles. In the end I had to go through 2 replacements before I got a good one. The first (the one in the video ) leaked, and the second one was all dented when I got it out of the cardboard. The last one has been a very good water heater so far (2 months) and runs hotter and provides hot water longer than the old AO Smith of similar size it replaced.
@Exile-db6fj4 жыл бұрын
@@stevensheldon9271 Thank you for responding quickly. I too like to fix things on my own before calling in the cavalry. Yes, an invoice would have helped in your situation. Live and learn. Glad the hit water is flowing again. Thank you very much. It was very helpful. Cheers!
@matejlachman58954 жыл бұрын
May I please ask what is the recipe? 1 part of what to eight parts of beeswax? Automatically generated subtitles says "1 part toilet to 8 parts beeswax" Many thanks!
@stevensheldon92714 жыл бұрын
Tallow.
@Midlanflyguy4 жыл бұрын
Good video. When I first got into black powder I fumbled around with loading it. But I found those paper cartridges do work better than anything else. They take a little time to make but it's well worth it.
@jamesross92535 жыл бұрын
What is the diameter of the mandrel?
@stevensheldon92715 жыл бұрын
Same size as the bullet. .58 inches.
@cobbiesmith92675 жыл бұрын
Great video!! I've made paper cartridges for my Navy revolver out of cigarette rolling papers with success. I've watched several videos on these types of paper cartridges but yours is the first to show two different styles. Would you do a video of loading these in to a riffle? Thanks for posting!!
@stevensheldon92715 жыл бұрын
Here are the cartridges being loaded and fired: kzread.info/dash/bejne/omtlx9usmMK1d9o.html
@daleschwartz37955 жыл бұрын
Can u do this with round ball? How are theses loaded? Remove bullet from paper or jam it all in?
@stevensheldon92715 жыл бұрын
The US Expanding ball cartridge was used by tearing off the tail of the cartridge with the teeth, and then pouring the black powder down the muzzle. Then the cartridge was broken open and the lubricated bullet removed from the paper, which was discarded. The bullet was then placed in the muzzle and rammed down the barrel with the ramrod. None of the paper goes down the barrel with the US cartridge. Yes, you can make similar cartridges with round balls, and this was done with smoothbore ammunition, except in that case the ball was left in the paper and the paper went down the barrel with the ball, and the ball was under-sized to accommodate the thickness of the paper. If you look for videos on how to Load in Nine Times, you will see how to load US expanding ball ammunition. kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z5eLypWwacTahNo.html
@zoesdada89236 жыл бұрын
For some reason I really like watching people make paper cartridges. Still surviving cartridges and arsenal packs?! How?
@stevensheldon92716 жыл бұрын
I find they are relaxing to make, too. I guess it's kind of like crochet or cross stitch. :) Things get tucked away in drawers and forgotten, I guess. Here are some examples of surviving artifacts you can buy: www.americancivilwarrelics.com/Civil%20War%20Cartridge.htm I'm not endorsing these products, it was just an example that showed up doing a Google search.
@plowboysghost6 жыл бұрын
I'm still enjoying this P53 rifle. I hope you're still happy with the Sharps I traded you for it.
@stevensheldon92716 жыл бұрын
Yup! But the Sharps is my go-to competition gun for shooting carbine in the N-SSA. I still think it could to better accuracy wise. I have recently gotten a new Lee double-cavity Christmas Tree mold said to replicate the old Rapine Sharps mold. I have not had a chance to try it out yet. But you can't beat the Sharps for rate of fire on the firing line using combustible cartridges! I still miss that pretty P53 though! :) I shoot a Frankenstein Euroarms P53 in competition. Not very pretty but with its Dan Whitacre barrel it's a tack driver!
@danielbutka88546 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video! There are many excellent videos of the 1861 rifle, but very few show a paper cartridge being used, let alone both the 1855 and the 1862 cartridges. I wonder why the US didn't like the European (like the Enfield or Lorenz rifles) paper cartridges with the bullet facing backwards and the paper used as a patch. They seem faster to use.
@stevensheldon92716 жыл бұрын
Hi Daniel! Thanks for the reply! I believe the British Enfield cartridge was the ultimate evolution of muzzleloading military ammunition. But I think the ammunition is harder to manufacture. You have to have a good supply of consistent-quality paper. You have to have well-made, well-sized bullets. You have to correctly assemble the cartridge, and then correctly lubricate and size the finished cartridge. With the US style of cartridge, the only critical component is to properly size the bullet. I believe the difficulties in manufacture of the Enfield style cartridge is why the Confederacy was never able to completely adopt it as their primary ammunition style until the end of the war, and then the order to do so was immediately rescinded. Even for the Union, who had sufficient industrial resources to properly make Enfield-style ammunition, during wartime emergency it was probably faster to make 1862-style ammunition.
@mattarmstrong92056 жыл бұрын
Hey Steven, do you have an information about round ball loadings during the civil war?
@stevensheldon92716 жыл бұрын
Sorry, I have not done much research into round ball ammunition. I recommend Round Ball to Rimfire by Dean Thomas.
@mattarmstrong92056 жыл бұрын
Steven Sheldon thanks Steven
@stevensheldon92712 жыл бұрын
I now have videos up regarding US 69 caliber round ball and buck and ball cartridges.
@mattarmstrong92056 жыл бұрын
What are the dimensions of the single piece of paper used in the 1862 cartridge? Really enjoyed the video!
@stevensheldon92716 жыл бұрын
1855: 4thla.weebly.com/uploads/3/7/9/6/37969349/_1855_expanding_ball_instructions.pdf 1862: 4thla.weebly.com/uploads/3/7/9/6/37969349/_1862_expanding_ball_instructions.pdf The ordnance manuals are not clear on the thickness of the paper, as I recall. But there was a section somewhere that explained the requirements for different kinds of paper (how much weight a sheet of it could suspend, as I recall). I use rolls of lightweight brown masking paper from Lowes or Home Depot for the main body pieces, and a light construction paper for the stiffener. Lowes and Home Depot also sell a heavier brown masking paper that I use for that purpose.
@mattarmstrong92056 жыл бұрын
Steven Sheldon thanks!
@Bloo09696 жыл бұрын
What are the measurements of the papers you used. What are the dimensions and type of paper used for the stiffener?
@stevensheldon92716 жыл бұрын
1855: 4thla.weebly.com/uploads/3/7/9/6/37969349/_1855_expanding_ball_instructions.pdf 1862: 4thla.weebly.com/uploads/3/7/9/6/37969349/_1862_expanding_ball_instructions.pdf The ordnance manuals are not clear on the thickness of the paper, as I recall. But there was a section somewhere that explained the requirements for different kinds of paper (how much weight a sheet of it could suspend, as I recall). I use rolls of lightweight brown masking paper from Lowes or Home Depot for the main body pieces, and a light construction paper for the stiffener. Lowes and Home Depot also sell a heavier brown masking paper that I use for that purpose.
@Joshua-wn4tl6 жыл бұрын
i think you should use thicker paper so it snaps of ez
@stevensheldon92716 жыл бұрын
Thicker paper increases the final diameter of the finished projectile, which may make loading harder. I don't remember which diameter bullet I used here - .566 or .550. I think I used the .550. With the .550 it's a little more forgiving with paper size. With the .566 you pretty much have to use very thin paper like "onion skin" paper.
@thomaskwei91196 жыл бұрын
are you shooting these out of the Pedersoli Enfield, or are you using an Enfield that actually has progressive depth rifling?
@stevensheldon92716 жыл бұрын
I believe I did try these out of my Pedersoli P1853 Enfield and Pedersoli P1858 Enfield, but I got the best results with my Euroarms P1853 that has a custom Whitacre barrel with progressive depth rifling.
@thomaskwei91196 жыл бұрын
What is a good Enfield replica to get one of these Whitacre barrels for? Since I'd be changing the barrel, all tat would matter would be a the stock and lock.
@stevensheldon92716 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, the best reproduction Enfields on the market today are made by Pedersoli. Beware, though, within the last 6 months or so they made a "design change" to add a clean-out screw to the side of the bolster, which is not historically correct. After much hue and cry from the shooting and re-enacting community, they vowed to change it back. But I suspect that there are still Pedersoli Enfields in the retail channel with the clean-out screw. If this matters to you, then verify before you buy that yours does not have the clean-out screw and verify in writing you can send it back if it does. Dan Whitacre has sold his rifling machine and is no longer making barrels. He said he has some stock left but I don't know what he is capable of doing now. The only other person I know that can make custom barrels for our muskets is Robert Hoyt. He does not have a web site. If you get on the N-SSA forum, someone can give you his contact information. Whitacre's web site is here: www.whitacresmachineshop.com/
@ryann52477 жыл бұрын
"hi this is peyton manning here to teach you about the civil war paper cartridges"
@charlesc.plumley97557 жыл бұрын
Hello, Thank you Sir for ur Quick response and for all the info. Just FYI, I found a roll of 100% cotton rag paper for the outer cartridge and onion paper at Micheal 's hobby store. Thanks.
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just fixed mine the same way. Parts cost $.70. thanks for the video
Glad it worked for you!
Hi mine had the exact same issue. However, instead of screwing the holes through the metal, which fixates the adjuster distance and does not allow the spring to keep the band tightened. Instead, I screwed two holes just beside the adjuster metal plate, and then I used two flat countersunk head screws. I did not tighten them a lot, so allowing the adjuster to slide with the spring. But your tip, gave me the clue.😊
Sounds like a better way!
What are the dimensions for the 1855 powder cylinder sheets?
You can find them on page 114 of this book: www.google.com/books/edition/Reports_of_Experiments_with_Small_Arms_f/b4dAAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1
You can buy a template with a mandrel here: www.forth-armoury.com/cartridge-template-kits.html#/
@stevensheldon9271 what kind of paper did you use for the powder chamber? Kraft paper?
@@skylerslack12At Home Depot / Lowes there are two kinds of masking paper in the paint section. One is a flimsy, newspaper-like paper that is good for the outer pieces. They also sell a heavier paper that works well for the powder chamber.
Hello, I have the exact problem, I know how to fix it. Also your comment about the tension will be helpfull. Thanks.
Thanks Steven - I only needed to clean the inside of the glass on my Epson 3170 (it had a slightly cloudy deposit on the inside surface) but your video showed me how to open it up. Useful.
Go knights!
Great video. Can you give us the paper dimensions? Thanks.
Page 115: play.google.com/store/books/details?id=cXkDAAAAYAAJ
Or, you can buy a template with forming tool here: www.forth-armoury.com/cartridge-template-kits.html
Too far away to see anything.
Yeah it's kind of a crummy video.
What, you guys don't get continuously electrocuted when reloading with BP? This isn't normal? Here I was lead to believe it happened to anyone loading with black powder.
Steve - would the 1862 cartridge be compliant with N-SSA rules for a Cook & Bros carbine? Just getting involved w/N-SSA, and appreciate the instruction (shooting video too)
Yes, with the help of John Robey I was able to get the N-SSA rules changed to allow the use of US-style paper cartridges for general use (instead of just in the Traditional Match as it was previously). The N-SSA allows this style of cartridge because no paper goes down the bore when using it. It is simply a carrier for the powder and bullet. One of my teammates shoots with historical cartridges and he is plenty fast with them!
Could that be a reflection/ mirror image from the other side of the bore? If it is a fault then Pedersoli will want to know. I contacted them about a misaligned cylinder on a new pistol and they not only re made original my pistol but returned it in a case with full accessories. I was living in Greece at the time and went to collect it from the factory in Gardonne and was treated to a guided tour and an amazing lunch.
If it was a reflection I think the spiral would go in the opposite way (to match what is at the opposite side of the bore).
@@stevensheldon9271 I couldnt work out if the mirror would reverse the image or not.....just a thought. Does it shoot well? I recently bought a borescope and spoiled my day when I found out that most of my surplus rifles looked rough but still shot well......classic example of Ignorance is bliss ! Best wishes and seasons greetings from the UK.
@@marcusmason3440 Yes, it shoots very well, especially since I have discovered the secret of using "Christmas tree" bullets where the first driving band is small enough to fit into the bore. Thus the bullet "headspaces" on the second driving band, not the first. This enables the bullet to be more closely aligned coaxially with the bore due to it already being started int the bore. Cartridge Sharps shooters have known and done this for a long time - their bullets protrude out of the cartridge a considerable distance and go into the bore of the gun. I had to have a custom mold made to do this. None of the commercial Christmas Tree bullets do this with my Pedersoli 1859 Sharps.
Good to see a video that was made to show these cartridges in use. I love the taste of gunpowder in the morning 👍🏻
Wow! I would never have thought that!...edit...although you should have lit the BP with a match to prove it was BP.
True, I did not think of doing that since I have lit many test batches before. But you are right, for the video it would be better to have shown it lighting off!
Excellent video! Very nice job!! One small correction regarding the lubricating mixture of the 1855/56 style cartridge, (mentioned at around time mark 1:53), is actually the reverse of what is stated in the video. The official "Small Arms - 1856" document calls for the bullets to be lubricated in 3 parts tallow to 1 part beeswax, not the other way around.
Good catch!
@@stevensheldon9271 Steve - Hopefully, I didn't sound too critical about that info. Before my comment, I went back and double checked the "Small Arms" document...actually hoping I was wrong, since the mixture of 3 parts tallow to 1 part wax makes for a very greasy cartridge at times. Depending on temperature, it can actually start soaking through the outer paper once completed. No wonder they changed the mixture. I actually think 3 parts wax to 1 part tallow would do better. I really wish this video had been around many years ago when I had nothing but the written word of the ordnance manuals to follow! One quick question - what type of paper do you use for the inner 1"x2" powder cylinder of the 1855 cartridge? I have no reference to how thick the "rocket paper" was back in the day. I find if I use ordinary copy/printer paper the 1"x2" cylinder portion things come out fine. If I use heavier card stock paper for the powder cylinder, there just isn't enough paper of the inner wrapper to fold over and glue without a small hole in the middle which powder can sift through. Once again, very well done video! Thank you for taking the time to do it!
@@Flintlock85 It was just a screw-up on my part. Traditional thinking in the 1850s in England was that more tallow was better for making the anti-fouling agent more greasy. By the 1860s it was discovered that tallow actually encouraged corrosion of the lead, increasing its diameter. The British eventually settled on 100% beeswax as the ideal anti-fouling agent. My guess is the United States followed a similar trajectory with the pre-1860 lubricant being 1:3 beeswax:tallow, and in the 1861 manual becoming 1:8 tallow:beeswax.
@@Flintlock85 Home Depot sells large rolls of masking paper which is thick, almost like a construction paper. This is what I use for the stiffener in the 1855 cartridge. I believe the Ordnance manual calls it "rocket paper". As I recall there is actually a section in the Ordnance Manual that describes paper and the tests to test it to determine if it is up-to-spec. Of course period paper was mostly cotton rag and most paper today is made from wood pulp. It doesn't make much difference for US-style cartridges since all the paper is discarded, unlike the British cartridge where the paper forms a patch for the bullet.
@@stevensheldon9271 Good information...thanks! I use 3-M masking paper for my cartridges, (1861 pattern), as it is the closest thing I have found in modern times which comes close to the color and thickness of original cartridges in my collection. The "rocket paper" was more of a mystery to me, and the card stock paper I tried was just a little too thick. I will have to get some of the stuff you mentioned in your last reply. Thanks once again!!
Hello Steve, Thanks so much for sharing your time, knowledge, and craftsmanship. Great information.....Doc
Great tutorial
Thank You!
What’s the measurements of a trapezoids?
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Looks like my leak
When I called and told them it was leaking from under the plastic flange, they immediately said it needed to be replaced.
Why taking time to make cartridge when you could put it directly to the rifle
I'm afraid I don't understand your question.
Good shooting, guys!
Can this technique be done with modern black powder rifles and pistols
Yes. All of my guns are modern reproductions of historic arms.
Which rifle is this?
Pedersoli 1959 Sharps Carbine.
Is this Peyton Manning?
Check out the ctmuzzleloaders experiments page, The IdahoanShow had similar experience a month or so back...
Yup, I've seen the ct page years ago.
That was unimpressive yet enlightening. Obviously not enough heat. Nicely done
the US style cartridge wasn't as fast to load and it also had more fouling issues as the gases got around the skirt more often plus the paper drags some of the fouling out with it.
Steve how thick is the 9lb onion skin paper, Please and Thank you? Great instructional video.
Hi.i haven't ever paper patched my original p53,but might give it a go.. I do p.p my .40 1865 sporting rifle.i use baking paper,here in nz its slightly greased on one side and thin.i dip the strip in water ,roll twice around and turn over the base, which I leave about 3 mm protruding past the base...once dried it shrinks round the lube groves.then on shooting day I heat up my lubes.( 49% olive oil ,49% bees wax,2 % engine oil) I keep my premeasured charge separate to avoid lubes contaminating the charge. Thanks for you great video.
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You could always wax dip then add powder afterwards and twist the powder in
More knowledgeable than most, but why brown paper? Yes, originals are brown after aging more than 150 years, but what did they look like when new? Also, formers should be bullet diameters, not weapon bore diameters.
There are many surviving examples of cartridges made of truly white paper. Many British Enfield cartridges were made of white paper, and remain white to this day. My suspicion is that most US style cartridges were made of a brownish paper. But, if you read Thomas' Round Ball to Rimfire, even though the photos are mostly black and white, you can see that surviving cartridges come in a variety of hues. One Confederate arsenal US style cartridge is said to have paper of a "pinkish" hue. The biggest discrepancy is not probably the color but the raw materials of the paper itself. Paper of the era was generally "cotton rag" paper. Modern paper is mostly made from wood pulp. My mandrel is .58" which is sufficient for any "58 caliber" arm. The US style cartridge was discarded and not loaded in the bore so it only needs to be sized to hold the bullet well. My competition guns use .576 and .578 bullets - a .58" mandrel works fine for these. The dowel does not need to be precision-sized. I might be better served with a slightly smaller mandrel for making the powder chamber so that the outer diameter of the powder cylinder matches the bullet diameter.
@@stevensheldon9271 Thanks for the reply. My goal has always been to make cartridges like the war issued ones. I assume bullets of about .575 dia., and lubed. My former of less than .580 works well. The only reference to the paper that I have found is that it was "unbleached", or at least an off white color. We need to find an expert in paper making in the 19th century. Best wishes, Kerry
There is a leak at the root of my hot water heater pipe. Leaking from the hot water pipe on the top of the tank. Please advice. And also let me know if you can fix it. Thanks.
These water heaters are trash.
What's a good brand?
You can use wax paper!
Great idea!
Hey Steven Woke up today with water leaking. It's coming from the same area as this video. What parts and how much did it cost to replace. Thanks in advance
I just returned it to Lowes and got a new water heater, as the unit was brand new. I called AO Smith and they told me to return it to the store and get a replacement, and they gave me a code. They would not, however, reimburse me for my labor to uninstall and re-install, even though I bought the extended warranty from Lowe's which covers it. AO Smith would reimburse a professional installer up to $100, and Lowes would pay up to $300 but again reimbursement to a professional installer. What I should have done was written up a fake invoice and gotten paid for my troubles. In the end I had to go through 2 replacements before I got a good one. The first (the one in the video ) leaked, and the second one was all dented when I got it out of the cardboard. The last one has been a very good water heater so far (2 months) and runs hotter and provides hot water longer than the old AO Smith of similar size it replaced.
@@stevensheldon9271 Thank you for responding quickly. I too like to fix things on my own before calling in the cavalry. Yes, an invoice would have helped in your situation. Live and learn. Glad the hit water is flowing again. Thank you very much. It was very helpful. Cheers!
May I please ask what is the recipe? 1 part of what to eight parts of beeswax? Automatically generated subtitles says "1 part toilet to 8 parts beeswax" Many thanks!
Tallow.
Good video. When I first got into black powder I fumbled around with loading it. But I found those paper cartridges do work better than anything else. They take a little time to make but it's well worth it.
What is the diameter of the mandrel?
Same size as the bullet. .58 inches.
Great video!! I've made paper cartridges for my Navy revolver out of cigarette rolling papers with success. I've watched several videos on these types of paper cartridges but yours is the first to show two different styles. Would you do a video of loading these in to a riffle? Thanks for posting!!
Here are the cartridges being loaded and fired: kzread.info/dash/bejne/omtlx9usmMK1d9o.html
Can u do this with round ball? How are theses loaded? Remove bullet from paper or jam it all in?
The US Expanding ball cartridge was used by tearing off the tail of the cartridge with the teeth, and then pouring the black powder down the muzzle. Then the cartridge was broken open and the lubricated bullet removed from the paper, which was discarded. The bullet was then placed in the muzzle and rammed down the barrel with the ramrod. None of the paper goes down the barrel with the US cartridge. Yes, you can make similar cartridges with round balls, and this was done with smoothbore ammunition, except in that case the ball was left in the paper and the paper went down the barrel with the ball, and the ball was under-sized to accommodate the thickness of the paper. If you look for videos on how to Load in Nine Times, you will see how to load US expanding ball ammunition. kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z5eLypWwacTahNo.html
For some reason I really like watching people make paper cartridges. Still surviving cartridges and arsenal packs?! How?
I find they are relaxing to make, too. I guess it's kind of like crochet or cross stitch. :) Things get tucked away in drawers and forgotten, I guess. Here are some examples of surviving artifacts you can buy: www.americancivilwarrelics.com/Civil%20War%20Cartridge.htm I'm not endorsing these products, it was just an example that showed up doing a Google search.
I'm still enjoying this P53 rifle. I hope you're still happy with the Sharps I traded you for it.
Yup! But the Sharps is my go-to competition gun for shooting carbine in the N-SSA. I still think it could to better accuracy wise. I have recently gotten a new Lee double-cavity Christmas Tree mold said to replicate the old Rapine Sharps mold. I have not had a chance to try it out yet. But you can't beat the Sharps for rate of fire on the firing line using combustible cartridges! I still miss that pretty P53 though! :) I shoot a Frankenstein Euroarms P53 in competition. Not very pretty but with its Dan Whitacre barrel it's a tack driver!
Thank you for making this video! There are many excellent videos of the 1861 rifle, but very few show a paper cartridge being used, let alone both the 1855 and the 1862 cartridges. I wonder why the US didn't like the European (like the Enfield or Lorenz rifles) paper cartridges with the bullet facing backwards and the paper used as a patch. They seem faster to use.
Hi Daniel! Thanks for the reply! I believe the British Enfield cartridge was the ultimate evolution of muzzleloading military ammunition. But I think the ammunition is harder to manufacture. You have to have a good supply of consistent-quality paper. You have to have well-made, well-sized bullets. You have to correctly assemble the cartridge, and then correctly lubricate and size the finished cartridge. With the US style of cartridge, the only critical component is to properly size the bullet. I believe the difficulties in manufacture of the Enfield style cartridge is why the Confederacy was never able to completely adopt it as their primary ammunition style until the end of the war, and then the order to do so was immediately rescinded. Even for the Union, who had sufficient industrial resources to properly make Enfield-style ammunition, during wartime emergency it was probably faster to make 1862-style ammunition.
Hey Steven, do you have an information about round ball loadings during the civil war?
Sorry, I have not done much research into round ball ammunition. I recommend Round Ball to Rimfire by Dean Thomas.
Steven Sheldon thanks Steven
I now have videos up regarding US 69 caliber round ball and buck and ball cartridges.
What are the dimensions of the single piece of paper used in the 1862 cartridge? Really enjoyed the video!
1855: 4thla.weebly.com/uploads/3/7/9/6/37969349/_1855_expanding_ball_instructions.pdf 1862: 4thla.weebly.com/uploads/3/7/9/6/37969349/_1862_expanding_ball_instructions.pdf The ordnance manuals are not clear on the thickness of the paper, as I recall. But there was a section somewhere that explained the requirements for different kinds of paper (how much weight a sheet of it could suspend, as I recall). I use rolls of lightweight brown masking paper from Lowes or Home Depot for the main body pieces, and a light construction paper for the stiffener. Lowes and Home Depot also sell a heavier brown masking paper that I use for that purpose.
Steven Sheldon thanks!
What are the measurements of the papers you used. What are the dimensions and type of paper used for the stiffener?
1855: 4thla.weebly.com/uploads/3/7/9/6/37969349/_1855_expanding_ball_instructions.pdf 1862: 4thla.weebly.com/uploads/3/7/9/6/37969349/_1862_expanding_ball_instructions.pdf The ordnance manuals are not clear on the thickness of the paper, as I recall. But there was a section somewhere that explained the requirements for different kinds of paper (how much weight a sheet of it could suspend, as I recall). I use rolls of lightweight brown masking paper from Lowes or Home Depot for the main body pieces, and a light construction paper for the stiffener. Lowes and Home Depot also sell a heavier brown masking paper that I use for that purpose.
i think you should use thicker paper so it snaps of ez
Thicker paper increases the final diameter of the finished projectile, which may make loading harder. I don't remember which diameter bullet I used here - .566 or .550. I think I used the .550. With the .550 it's a little more forgiving with paper size. With the .566 you pretty much have to use very thin paper like "onion skin" paper.
are you shooting these out of the Pedersoli Enfield, or are you using an Enfield that actually has progressive depth rifling?
I believe I did try these out of my Pedersoli P1853 Enfield and Pedersoli P1858 Enfield, but I got the best results with my Euroarms P1853 that has a custom Whitacre barrel with progressive depth rifling.
What is a good Enfield replica to get one of these Whitacre barrels for? Since I'd be changing the barrel, all tat would matter would be a the stock and lock.
In my opinion, the best reproduction Enfields on the market today are made by Pedersoli. Beware, though, within the last 6 months or so they made a "design change" to add a clean-out screw to the side of the bolster, which is not historically correct. After much hue and cry from the shooting and re-enacting community, they vowed to change it back. But I suspect that there are still Pedersoli Enfields in the retail channel with the clean-out screw. If this matters to you, then verify before you buy that yours does not have the clean-out screw and verify in writing you can send it back if it does. Dan Whitacre has sold his rifling machine and is no longer making barrels. He said he has some stock left but I don't know what he is capable of doing now. The only other person I know that can make custom barrels for our muskets is Robert Hoyt. He does not have a web site. If you get on the N-SSA forum, someone can give you his contact information. Whitacre's web site is here: www.whitacresmachineshop.com/
"hi this is peyton manning here to teach you about the civil war paper cartridges"
Hello, Thank you Sir for ur Quick response and for all the info. Just FYI, I found a roll of 100% cotton rag paper for the outer cartridge and onion paper at Micheal 's hobby store. Thanks.