"Allah Akbar". And Paul Atreides starts as a much more moral figure than Muhammad ever was. At least so far in the movies, I need to read the books.
@robertsteinberger566711 сағат бұрын
He leads the fremen to victory, he can ride a worm, so why a false prophet? And what is bad about his journey? He is not perfect but is succesful. His relationship seems to be im damger sure.
@DrunkDjinn19 сағат бұрын
Didn’t they mess up Chani and Paul’s story near the end? This may be my imagination as it’s been a long time since I’ve read the books but weren’t they madly in love in the books. I remember her being aware of Paul’s plan the whole time and she almost always supported him. Truly loyal till the end. They disrespected her entire character… Also weren’t Chani and Paul’s kids born near the end of the first book. Heck, didn’t they have a child that died even before the birth of the twins.
@tkendirli20 сағат бұрын
Should the Fremen willingly accept their suffering for thousands of years that other houses, the imperium and Beni Jesserits caused upon them????? I dont think so. Even if there was no prophecy this will be the case any way. To see through that with clear concius you need to see also "The Beni jesserit is the problem itself." That makes Paul a more interesting character. The existing of spice at the end means the galaxy will have to fight for that no matter what. Either between themselves or with Lisan Al Gaib and the Fremens. There's no way around. The alternative for that is only to hold your hunger for more control, domination and power. We all know nobody will accept something like that willingly.
@Unionleto21 сағат бұрын
@Valaritas: I have a question for you. Is it better to live in comfort or have children? - Speaking of your question, is survival more important... If your parents chose to be comfortable, you wouldn't be here. Just like your thoughts on this channel. It's easy to judge when you're guaranteed to be alive. This is what distinguishes leaders from speculators - the ability to make difficult decisions. Survival is the most important thing - every parent knows that. You have to understand that there are values higher than "this and now". And your statement that maybe yes or maybe not the survival of the human race was at stake, I consider it arrogant and I hope that you will never be a leader responsible for the fate of the human race. I would bet on Leto II a not on you. How is it possible that you know so much about Dune and understand so little?
@Amor_fati.Memento_MoriКүн бұрын
Everything Paul did was a response to how the world's authority treated him and his people. Not one of the deaths that resulted from the wars he led can be written as his doing. Paul didn't start the war with the Emperor, nor did Paul kill Baron for fun or for mere revenge. His Father was killed and his people in the fermen was called rats and treated them as such. They had what was coming. The Emperium Forces made the choice of rejecting him as the rightful king despite hearing the atrocities that was done to him that justified his actions. They chose the Holy War. All Paul did was respond in kind. The incompetent scheme of the sisterhood, that led this is not Paul's fault one bit. Soon the sisterhood will have it coming too.
@wifeundertheseaКүн бұрын
rhaenerya is by far my favorite character but your analysis is by far my favorite and i've listened to A LOT of them. subbed!
@nerdynautilus5373Күн бұрын
What did Chani say to Muad’dib? Would you still love me if I was a worm?
@nerdynautilus5373Күн бұрын
This is wayyyy too narrow of a reading of an extremely nuanced topic. Paul was swept in the currents of fate. He could change where he swam in that flow but he could not change the course of that river. The Fremen uprising against the feudal system that oppressed them was nigh inevitable thanks to thousands of years of exploitation by the Empire. Much of the story of Dune is about how the past’s tyranny of the future and how a single person is powerless to change the foundations of systemic social structures that existed for thousands of years and led to the conflict between the Freemen and the rest of the Empire that exploited their planet. Despite all his powers, Paul merely ended up going with the nigh inevitable flow of fate. His choice was to allow the Jihad to happen or to allow the oppression of the Fremen to continue. Ultimately Paul made the a very human choice and sided with the people he liked against the people he didn’t like. He was shown not to be a Tyrant but, despite his prescience, he was a slave to ancient political conflicts at the brink of war regardless of Paul’s existence
@nerdynautilus5373Күн бұрын
This is wayyyy too narrow of a reading of an extremely nuanced topic. Paul was swept in the currents of fate. He could change where he swam in that flow but he could not change the course of that river. The Fremen uprising against the feudal system that oppressed them was nigh inevitable thanks to thousands of years of exploitation by the Empire. Much of the story of Dune is about the past’s tyranny over the future and how a single person is powerless to change the foundations of systemic social systems that existed for thousands of years. These systems led to the conflict between the Fremen and the rest of the Empire that exploited their planet. Despite all his powers, Paul merely ended up going with the nigh inevitable flow of fate. His choice was to allow the Jihad to happen or to allow the oppression of the Fremen to continue. Ultimately Paul made the a very human choice and sided with the people he liked against the people he didn’t like. He was shown not to be a Tyrant but, despite his prescience, he was a slave to ancient political conflicts that would have been at the brink of war regardless of Paul’s existence
@juaneramirez3350Күн бұрын
Ah…the stupidity of the masses rules us yet 🙂↔️
@justinmacdonald6289Күн бұрын
paul: breathes. Stilgar: LISAN AL GAIBBBBBB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :000000000 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥
@stibiumowlКүн бұрын
0:46 Its sad that there is no way ofpreventing him from leaving the good side. Would it have helped to allways remind him that even though provecy, they could fail, but to not make him eaten up by doubt, encourage him to think as if he where the whole colective of fremen-kind, so also his personal revenge would become unimportant as the other Fremen don't need revenge, but an terreformed planet. Or just have some failsaves in the believe system to not make the heros self-esteem crash through the top and not leaves sanity.. At least I'm warned its nt important to watch the film, its just sad he fails to be a real hero. (a real hero doesn't become evil) 6:59 So only a all-knowing figure can realy save us. So if Jesus woudn't be a God, he would be dangerous. ).00 Thanks for pointing out that it was not Pauls alone fault, but him beeing geneticaly engeneered into a role he doesn't fit.
@parraphraseКүн бұрын
There is no place in skepticism for certainty. When you listen to skeptics who make strong declarative assertions you're witnessing the same emotional pre commitment you see in blind believers.
@wombraider7796Күн бұрын
great work!!!!
@alexandermeldianov3197Күн бұрын
True Mahdi! Lisan al Gaib! Long live the fihters!
@vonn4017Күн бұрын
you missed it. all heroes are human all humans are flawed. he could see all possible futures. He became trapped by the future when he didnt walk the golden path out of fear. the only path that frees humanity from self destruction. forcing his son walk it in a couple of books
@wiinterflowers4277Күн бұрын
Alia's story broke my heart when I read the books and after seeing Part 2.. it made me hate Jessica twice as much! Also, Denis *BETTER* put Alia's legacy in the spotlight because he butchered it in Part 2!
@FlaccidtetrisКүн бұрын
I want to get a mohawk but I fear this will lead to me becoming him...
@ArsIsFunКүн бұрын
I hope Dune will warn Trump supporters to not put their faith in such a guy
@albinsvarghese5402 күн бұрын
It gives me chills that when jihad happens, the survivors will be hurt and traumatized by the consequences the made and they faced. So will they ever attain eternal salvation even after the war 😅
@brianbergin-ortega55492 күн бұрын
Victim
@goat97543 күн бұрын
One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it
@angelabatiste4463 күн бұрын
Very nice, thanks for explaining this.
@chunkymilk3 күн бұрын
too late.
@obnoxiousweese3 күн бұрын
Coment
@YeahYeahb-tch3 күн бұрын
Lisan-Al Gaib!
@dmanlip3 күн бұрын
"The difference is I know I am right" "Spoken like a true autocrat"
@JewTube0013 күн бұрын
no
@Ashishlahre3 күн бұрын
Nicely Explained 🎉 Can you make a video on - if daimon was a king
@ValaritasYT3 күн бұрын
A video about Daemon is on the way ;)
@hectorminator43 күн бұрын
Am I the only one that thinks that bene gesserit is literally the history of the US?? Always trying to fix the things that themselves have messed up. Controlling everyone's fates in their own purpose so they are the really ones in power and controlling the politics with assets working in literally every house or faction in the universe...
@mikelewis74053 күн бұрын
Excellent! But, as the saying goes, those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it.
@sid21124 күн бұрын
Damn good Dune video. I'm a bit of an amateur scholar of Dune (and other books) myself and I really liked how you put her together.
@user-qt6is2pl5n4 күн бұрын
Harkoneen Propaganda
@user-qt6is2pl5n4 күн бұрын
He is no a mith for Real Cristians. Everybody waited a messiah like thwm and in the way of their images of false justice and work. U dont wa is a message for Real and only real cristians
@toyshanger89454 күн бұрын
Same as how America is how your president is actually being controlled
@Apricoth3114 күн бұрын
Thank you for this. I have read the entire Dune series and could never shake the feeling that a lot of the main characters were tragic ones - a side effect/product of other's machinations. Alia is such a sad story/character as well as Paul (despite him spiraling into full revenge mode), Paul's twin children, Paul's love of his life and so on. I truly do appreciate Herbert's solution to those who would use fate so cruelly - remove fate's power entirely. In that light, Jessica began that possibility - without her disobeying the BG, the BG would have possibly continued on with their bonker plans. It is just truly unfortunate that Jessica abandoned the daughter she basically abused and sentenced to death (as soon as she drank the water of life). But, can you imagine a world like that - one where the power of "fate" is kicked to the curb? "Fate" can represent any thing that is used to coerce, manipulate and control others with. I suppose we, as the regular folks on this planet, need to find this within ourselves.
@yaakovkrakowich45634 күн бұрын
This channel should have FAR more subs
@carolbriscoe93374 күн бұрын
I kept waiting to hear 1 line: FATHER, FATHER THE SLEEPER HAS AWAKENED. The 1984 Dune used rhis powerful line. disappointed it was omitted in 7:55 Thanks for your clear, concise explanation of Paul's actions.
@sarahwong91384 күн бұрын
You know how Paul was one generation earlier than the desired Kwisatz Haderach? Leto II ends up making the Dune planet fertile and going on the Golden Path, and Leto II is the same generation that the Kwisatz Haderach was supposed to be, so some people suggest that the Kwisatz Haderach was ultimately Leto II and not Paul
@stephenfwadsworth95654 күн бұрын
Sadly we are here again in history, eyes pointing to America, distracted by Russia. :( It is just strange to me, why we need to follow such people, but it seems it is a logical extension of the our need for acceptance and to be part of a group Good or Bad. :( We have become so Jaded, that we now treat everything as a 1/2 truth and defend our following a belief, by pointing a finger and our focus to another, instead of realising (Only you, truly lead you, others influence depends upon their ability to do so). :(
@aaronmoravek4 күн бұрын
Slight deviation? It's a brown Girl boss hijacking for current political beliefs. Frank Herbert wouldn't approve.
@stephengrant48412 күн бұрын
That isn't exactly right. Everything she says in the movie is objectively true - the prophecy is fake, meant to manipulate and use the Fremen. In that regard, she emphasizes the point that Frank Herbert put in the books - charismatic leaders should come with warning labels saying 'may be hazardous to your health." I think he would disapprove that a Fremen could be immune from the miasma that was Paul Atreides manipulation of the Fremen, but I think he would approve because it translates the main theme of the Dune books for the general audience. People just don't understand that, like you, and hate it on the grounds of ideological reasons without thinking about it.
@einarvolsung22024 күн бұрын
This makes the nerds super fruity who know any of this nonsense
@LiteDnBFnatic4 күн бұрын
Could all this death have been avoided if they just acknowledged Paul as emperor? Or he’ll, not kill the entire house atreides?
@stephengrant48412 күн бұрын
No. Like in the books, everyone has no choice but to accept him because his threat to destroy all spice production forever is actually real and Guild Navigators, with their limited prescience, can see that. The jihad happens anyway because the Fremen are radical. Paul sees throughout the first book that after a certain point, there is nothing he can do to stop it. He'd have had to kill himself, his mother, Chani, Stilgar and most of the Fremen of Sietch Tabr very early on in his time in the desert to avoid it. After that, even if he died, it would have happened anyway.
@h2s1425 күн бұрын
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@Witnessmoo5 күн бұрын
There is no happier man than the devoted believer and fanatic my bro 😂
@misaghkhosravi45415 күн бұрын
U R NOT IN THE PLACE TO JUDGE ME AND KEPP UR FAKE STORIES IN US
@ArthurAsPedras5 күн бұрын
wow, I'm new to the Dune series and this added a whole new layer of depth and philosophy to the story. Very clear and well written man! +1 sub.
@Blackout31255 күн бұрын
Timothee Chalamet himself said “Paul is a young man who does not want to accept his destiny. What requires so much of him is that his first desire to love Chani will be put aside by this responsibility of being the Muad’Dib.” He also said he really thought that young people would relate to overthrowing those who abuse power (The Harkonnens). Paul would rather not lead the way out of the holy war - but does so because it’s what needs to be done.
@Blackout31255 күн бұрын
So all of you want Feyd to be the emperor or something? The Jihad was (keyword) INEVITABLE - and if Paul died, it was going to be much worse. Paul is a good man, that’s why he ultimately leaves the Golden Path. He did the best he could in this “no win” situation. Either Feyd or his offspring become the Emperor, or Paul steers the Holy War so that it will eventually come to an end. You guys choose. I’ll take Paul over an animal emperor any day please and thank you. The tragedy of Dune is that the Jihad was impossible to stop due to religious fervor. NOT because Paul became evil.
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"Allah Akbar". And Paul Atreides starts as a much more moral figure than Muhammad ever was. At least so far in the movies, I need to read the books.
He leads the fremen to victory, he can ride a worm, so why a false prophet? And what is bad about his journey? He is not perfect but is succesful. His relationship seems to be im damger sure.
Didn’t they mess up Chani and Paul’s story near the end? This may be my imagination as it’s been a long time since I’ve read the books but weren’t they madly in love in the books. I remember her being aware of Paul’s plan the whole time and she almost always supported him. Truly loyal till the end. They disrespected her entire character… Also weren’t Chani and Paul’s kids born near the end of the first book. Heck, didn’t they have a child that died even before the birth of the twins.
Should the Fremen willingly accept their suffering for thousands of years that other houses, the imperium and Beni Jesserits caused upon them????? I dont think so. Even if there was no prophecy this will be the case any way. To see through that with clear concius you need to see also "The Beni jesserit is the problem itself." That makes Paul a more interesting character. The existing of spice at the end means the galaxy will have to fight for that no matter what. Either between themselves or with Lisan Al Gaib and the Fremens. There's no way around. The alternative for that is only to hold your hunger for more control, domination and power. We all know nobody will accept something like that willingly.
@Valaritas: I have a question for you. Is it better to live in comfort or have children? - Speaking of your question, is survival more important... If your parents chose to be comfortable, you wouldn't be here. Just like your thoughts on this channel. It's easy to judge when you're guaranteed to be alive. This is what distinguishes leaders from speculators - the ability to make difficult decisions. Survival is the most important thing - every parent knows that. You have to understand that there are values higher than "this and now". And your statement that maybe yes or maybe not the survival of the human race was at stake, I consider it arrogant and I hope that you will never be a leader responsible for the fate of the human race. I would bet on Leto II a not on you. How is it possible that you know so much about Dune and understand so little?
Everything Paul did was a response to how the world's authority treated him and his people. Not one of the deaths that resulted from the wars he led can be written as his doing. Paul didn't start the war with the Emperor, nor did Paul kill Baron for fun or for mere revenge. His Father was killed and his people in the fermen was called rats and treated them as such. They had what was coming. The Emperium Forces made the choice of rejecting him as the rightful king despite hearing the atrocities that was done to him that justified his actions. They chose the Holy War. All Paul did was respond in kind. The incompetent scheme of the sisterhood, that led this is not Paul's fault one bit. Soon the sisterhood will have it coming too.
rhaenerya is by far my favorite character but your analysis is by far my favorite and i've listened to A LOT of them. subbed!
What did Chani say to Muad’dib? Would you still love me if I was a worm?
This is wayyyy too narrow of a reading of an extremely nuanced topic. Paul was swept in the currents of fate. He could change where he swam in that flow but he could not change the course of that river. The Fremen uprising against the feudal system that oppressed them was nigh inevitable thanks to thousands of years of exploitation by the Empire. Much of the story of Dune is about how the past’s tyranny of the future and how a single person is powerless to change the foundations of systemic social structures that existed for thousands of years and led to the conflict between the Freemen and the rest of the Empire that exploited their planet. Despite all his powers, Paul merely ended up going with the nigh inevitable flow of fate. His choice was to allow the Jihad to happen or to allow the oppression of the Fremen to continue. Ultimately Paul made the a very human choice and sided with the people he liked against the people he didn’t like. He was shown not to be a Tyrant but, despite his prescience, he was a slave to ancient political conflicts at the brink of war regardless of Paul’s existence
This is wayyyy too narrow of a reading of an extremely nuanced topic. Paul was swept in the currents of fate. He could change where he swam in that flow but he could not change the course of that river. The Fremen uprising against the feudal system that oppressed them was nigh inevitable thanks to thousands of years of exploitation by the Empire. Much of the story of Dune is about the past’s tyranny over the future and how a single person is powerless to change the foundations of systemic social systems that existed for thousands of years. These systems led to the conflict between the Fremen and the rest of the Empire that exploited their planet. Despite all his powers, Paul merely ended up going with the nigh inevitable flow of fate. His choice was to allow the Jihad to happen or to allow the oppression of the Fremen to continue. Ultimately Paul made the a very human choice and sided with the people he liked against the people he didn’t like. He was shown not to be a Tyrant but, despite his prescience, he was a slave to ancient political conflicts that would have been at the brink of war regardless of Paul’s existence
Ah…the stupidity of the masses rules us yet 🙂↔️
paul: breathes. Stilgar: LISAN AL GAIBBBBBB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :000000000 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥
0:46 Its sad that there is no way ofpreventing him from leaving the good side. Would it have helped to allways remind him that even though provecy, they could fail, but to not make him eaten up by doubt, encourage him to think as if he where the whole colective of fremen-kind, so also his personal revenge would become unimportant as the other Fremen don't need revenge, but an terreformed planet. Or just have some failsaves in the believe system to not make the heros self-esteem crash through the top and not leaves sanity.. At least I'm warned its nt important to watch the film, its just sad he fails to be a real hero. (a real hero doesn't become evil) 6:59 So only a all-knowing figure can realy save us. So if Jesus woudn't be a God, he would be dangerous. ).00 Thanks for pointing out that it was not Pauls alone fault, but him beeing geneticaly engeneered into a role he doesn't fit.
There is no place in skepticism for certainty. When you listen to skeptics who make strong declarative assertions you're witnessing the same emotional pre commitment you see in blind believers.
great work!!!!
True Mahdi! Lisan al Gaib! Long live the fihters!
you missed it. all heroes are human all humans are flawed. he could see all possible futures. He became trapped by the future when he didnt walk the golden path out of fear. the only path that frees humanity from self destruction. forcing his son walk it in a couple of books
Alia's story broke my heart when I read the books and after seeing Part 2.. it made me hate Jessica twice as much! Also, Denis *BETTER* put Alia's legacy in the spotlight because he butchered it in Part 2!
I want to get a mohawk but I fear this will lead to me becoming him...
I hope Dune will warn Trump supporters to not put their faith in such a guy
It gives me chills that when jihad happens, the survivors will be hurt and traumatized by the consequences the made and they faced. So will they ever attain eternal salvation even after the war 😅
Victim
One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it
Very nice, thanks for explaining this.
too late.
Coment
Lisan-Al Gaib!
"The difference is I know I am right" "Spoken like a true autocrat"
no
Nicely Explained 🎉 Can you make a video on - if daimon was a king
A video about Daemon is on the way ;)
Am I the only one that thinks that bene gesserit is literally the history of the US?? Always trying to fix the things that themselves have messed up. Controlling everyone's fates in their own purpose so they are the really ones in power and controlling the politics with assets working in literally every house or faction in the universe...
Excellent! But, as the saying goes, those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it.
Damn good Dune video. I'm a bit of an amateur scholar of Dune (and other books) myself and I really liked how you put her together.
Harkoneen Propaganda
He is no a mith for Real Cristians. Everybody waited a messiah like thwm and in the way of their images of false justice and work. U dont wa is a message for Real and only real cristians
Same as how America is how your president is actually being controlled
Thank you for this. I have read the entire Dune series and could never shake the feeling that a lot of the main characters were tragic ones - a side effect/product of other's machinations. Alia is such a sad story/character as well as Paul (despite him spiraling into full revenge mode), Paul's twin children, Paul's love of his life and so on. I truly do appreciate Herbert's solution to those who would use fate so cruelly - remove fate's power entirely. In that light, Jessica began that possibility - without her disobeying the BG, the BG would have possibly continued on with their bonker plans. It is just truly unfortunate that Jessica abandoned the daughter she basically abused and sentenced to death (as soon as she drank the water of life). But, can you imagine a world like that - one where the power of "fate" is kicked to the curb? "Fate" can represent any thing that is used to coerce, manipulate and control others with. I suppose we, as the regular folks on this planet, need to find this within ourselves.
This channel should have FAR more subs
I kept waiting to hear 1 line: FATHER, FATHER THE SLEEPER HAS AWAKENED. The 1984 Dune used rhis powerful line. disappointed it was omitted in 7:55 Thanks for your clear, concise explanation of Paul's actions.
You know how Paul was one generation earlier than the desired Kwisatz Haderach? Leto II ends up making the Dune planet fertile and going on the Golden Path, and Leto II is the same generation that the Kwisatz Haderach was supposed to be, so some people suggest that the Kwisatz Haderach was ultimately Leto II and not Paul
Sadly we are here again in history, eyes pointing to America, distracted by Russia. :( It is just strange to me, why we need to follow such people, but it seems it is a logical extension of the our need for acceptance and to be part of a group Good or Bad. :( We have become so Jaded, that we now treat everything as a 1/2 truth and defend our following a belief, by pointing a finger and our focus to another, instead of realising (Only you, truly lead you, others influence depends upon their ability to do so). :(
Slight deviation? It's a brown Girl boss hijacking for current political beliefs. Frank Herbert wouldn't approve.
That isn't exactly right. Everything she says in the movie is objectively true - the prophecy is fake, meant to manipulate and use the Fremen. In that regard, she emphasizes the point that Frank Herbert put in the books - charismatic leaders should come with warning labels saying 'may be hazardous to your health." I think he would disapprove that a Fremen could be immune from the miasma that was Paul Atreides manipulation of the Fremen, but I think he would approve because it translates the main theme of the Dune books for the general audience. People just don't understand that, like you, and hate it on the grounds of ideological reasons without thinking about it.
This makes the nerds super fruity who know any of this nonsense
Could all this death have been avoided if they just acknowledged Paul as emperor? Or he’ll, not kill the entire house atreides?
No. Like in the books, everyone has no choice but to accept him because his threat to destroy all spice production forever is actually real and Guild Navigators, with their limited prescience, can see that. The jihad happens anyway because the Fremen are radical. Paul sees throughout the first book that after a certain point, there is nothing he can do to stop it. He'd have had to kill himself, his mother, Chani, Stilgar and most of the Fremen of Sietch Tabr very early on in his time in the desert to avoid it. After that, even if he died, it would have happened anyway.
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There is no happier man than the devoted believer and fanatic my bro 😂
U R NOT IN THE PLACE TO JUDGE ME AND KEPP UR FAKE STORIES IN US
wow, I'm new to the Dune series and this added a whole new layer of depth and philosophy to the story. Very clear and well written man! +1 sub.
Timothee Chalamet himself said “Paul is a young man who does not want to accept his destiny. What requires so much of him is that his first desire to love Chani will be put aside by this responsibility of being the Muad’Dib.” He also said he really thought that young people would relate to overthrowing those who abuse power (The Harkonnens). Paul would rather not lead the way out of the holy war - but does so because it’s what needs to be done.
So all of you want Feyd to be the emperor or something? The Jihad was (keyword) INEVITABLE - and if Paul died, it was going to be much worse. Paul is a good man, that’s why he ultimately leaves the Golden Path. He did the best he could in this “no win” situation. Either Feyd or his offspring become the Emperor, or Paul steers the Holy War so that it will eventually come to an end. You guys choose. I’ll take Paul over an animal emperor any day please and thank you. The tragedy of Dune is that the Jihad was impossible to stop due to religious fervor. NOT because Paul became evil.