The Late Night Vision Show
The Late Night Vision Show
Welcome Night Hunters!!! The Very First Podcast Dedicated to YOU! Join Jason, Owner of Outdoor Legacy, and Hans from the HansETX KZread Hunting Channel, as they discuss Night Vision and Thermal Optics, Rifles...and basically anything else that can be used to drop a hog or coyote!! You can also find "The Late Night Vision Show" Podcast on all podcast sharing services: iTunes, Podcast App, iPhone, iOS, Anchor App, Google Play, Android...
This is a light-hearted show with many laughs and silly hunting stories, but with Jason's expertise in the world of night-vision optics and Hans' experience in the field hunting 7 days a week, you'll definitely walk away from each episode with a few nuggets of knowledge.
Episodes come out weekly...so be sure to subscribe to catch every show!!!
Good Luck in the Fields!
-TLNVS
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what's the difference InfiRay TX60C vs ts60?
The TS60 is a European only model. It’s. 1280 resolution and 2x. The TX60 is a US model that is a 3x 1024 resolution. In the US we have the RS75 1280 2x.
@@TheLateNightVisionShow so basically the RS75 is the better model?
Yes the RS75 being a 1280 with a 75mm lens has a significantly better image quality but it also costs twice as much as the TX60 and it’s a 2x base mag. Feel free to give us a call if you have questions, we’ll be glad to help and would love to have your business. 877-350-1818
@@TheLateNightVisionShow I will be reaching out to you, thank you
Thank you sir!
I also totally agree about the battery theory. That’s why I picked the trail xp 50. That one battery pack lasted all night with plenty left over. I just had to replace it last year because it stopped taking a charge. That’s 6 years it lasted. Like I said that xp 50 is still working great today, although it would be nice to be able to get a new thermal for reasons I already mentioned. My xp 50 came with a ZRO Delta mount. That mount is definitely worth the money. I have never had to rezero my rifle since 2017. So I purchased a ZRO Delta for my day scope. The same with that mount, it has held zero since the day I mounted it. So now I bought another ZRO Delta mount for a second rifle and I love that one too. So if I ever get to replace my XP 50 with a newer thermal I will get a ZRO Delta mount for that one.
I’m still using my trail xp 50. It starts at 1.6 magnification. It still works great. Although if I could afford to replace it I would definitely buy one that starts at 3X magnification, red color reticle and at least an 8 hour battery. Also a range finder is a must. This is what I have learned using it since 2017. The second thing I added after a couple of years later was the iray mh25 on my helmet. It made it so much easier. But I would really love to have a range find on my thermal rifle scope, it’s a MUST!
How are the suction cups in the cold ?
iRay USA says there are no issues at all. The units were not released to dealers until around March so we haven’t run them in cold weather yet. But iRay says they will work and we have to believe them since they have a lot on the line if they don’t.
When you consider its nearest comptetion that im aware of is roughly $14k, the price is pretty good. I've used at least 5 different vehicle mounted thermals professionally in the last 13 years, for a first try iray absolutely hit it out of the park, at least with the few nights I've used this one so far.
Thanks for watching! We agree, compared to what’s out there and for the quality you get, it’s a great optic.
Great review guys and pretty spot on for who it’s good for. I’ve been using vehicle mounted thermal several nights a week for 3 or 4 years now and it is one of the best investments I’ve made into hog control. I usually run one stationary forward facing unit to drive lights out with and one pan/tilt for scanning. I haven’t used this new unit but all Iray’s products have been high quality and I expect this unit, albeit a little pricey, is also a great unit. Thanks for all you do in support of our thermal addiction 😂
Thank you for watching and the comments. We sure appreciate it!
You guys are the only ones showing gear like this, don’t have any use for it but it’s nice to see stuff like this.
Thank you very much!!
How waterproof is this product?
Fully submersible to 3ft of water for 30 mins!! 5 year warranty to back that up.
Video Chapters Below ⬇ Thank y’all for watching Ep. 324! Please call us if you are looking for a new night vision or thermal optic! 877-350-1818 outdoorlegacygear.com Video Chapters: 00:00 Intro 2:40 Intro Show Topic 5:28 InfiRay Outdoor M6T25 Specs 8:35 Walkaround 21:06 Likes/Dislikes 34:25 "Who is the M6T25 good for?" 45:17 Overview and General Thoughts 47:09 Close
I like it but worry that the bugs in my area of east Texas will damage the lens if I drive around with it scanning.
Bugs are no issue. Worse case you have direct hit and clean the lens. It’s made for that kind of abuse
HANS CHOLO!
Any ideas when the tx60 is shipping out
Unfortunately there is no ETA at all at this point.
HOW ABOUT PARD TD32
We are not fans of Pard. We’ve talked to them and looked into their optics and we do not feel they are a brand that we can currently recommend. There are significantly better options from established, proven and trustworthy optics companies. This doesn’t mean something can’t change in the future but for now we strongly advise avoiding Pard.
@TheLateNightVisionShow NOOOOO ! OK GREAT LOL NOW WHAT! I GUESS ILL GO WITH RATTLER?? PLEASE HELP I ONLY HAVE KZread VIDEOS AND NO ACTUAL EXPIRIENCE .
Give us a call next week 877-350-1818 we’ll be glad to help and would love to have your business.
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Thanks for watching!
Please please start back reviewing thermal scopes.
Trust us, we want to review scopes more than you want us to.haha! We’re working on getting footage from several optics but the hogs haven’t been cooperating this summer. It’s by far the hardest time of the year to gather footage. We’re working our rear ends off!
Last year my dad bought a gl35r an literally the next day it had a price drop of 600 i believe... he was all butt hurt... luckily he received it an it was broken!
Haha! It is painful but it happens with everything we buy. Thermal scopes are no different. He did get lucky though.lol
The best time is NOW if you don't have one!
so true! its about to go down /im looking at pard td32 by chance do you know anyone with any 411 on Pard?
We are not fans of Pard. We’ve talked to them and looked into their optics and we do not feel they are a brand that we can currently recommend. There are significantly better options from established, proven and trustworthy thermal companies.
We agree! 😎
Yep, wait broke the wagon down! Lol
I have been wanting to get one but I keep going back an fourth on what I want... now I thinking I might as well wait until black Friday/ cyber Monday because u guys had some smoking deals last year...
It all comes down to what the manufacturers want to move. Some years there are some great deals and some years there are almost none. It’s also worth noting you should never buy a scope because it’s on sale or it’s a good “deal”. You need to know the exact single scope (two at most) you want and if it doesn’t go on sale be willing to buy it at regular price. We see waaay too many people but a great scope because it’s a good deal but it’s the wrong scope for them. Thats a very very expensive mistake. 😬
RH25 price literally just dropped $1500 in msrp, I’m surprised you guys didn’t touch on this.
Great show as always gentlemen. Suggestion for show - by brand please suggest the v2 versions of scopes that are really worth upgrading to.
Ya'll think there is some thing deferent about Joe he the same as 2020 just older. The drugs are wearing off.
Yep! Nothing new at all.
Yesterday
Video Chapters Below ⬇ Thank y’all for watching Ep. 323! Please call us if you are looking for a new night vision or thermal optic! 877-350-1818 outdoorlegacygear.com Video Chapters: 00:00 Intro 3:23 Intro Show Topic 5:46 "Should I wait until SHOT Show to buy?" 14:30 "Is it okay to buy a discontinued thermal scope?" 21:17 "Do thermals ever go on sale?" 28:47 "Will the price drop after I make my purchase?" 32:02 "Will my new thermal be obsolete in 12 months?" 41:03 Close
If one uses the logic of Thomas Sowell, "There are no solutions, only trade offs". Your discussion highlights the *costs* of those trades: Is it worth not going hunting while waiting for that piece of equipment to go on sale?; If you bought your equipment, have enjoyed using it several times, and then it goes "on sale", did you really "lose" anything? Y'all have some pretty good sales going on RIGHT NOW(July 2024) that I may miss because my funds for such items are currently unavailable. They are things I will likely purchase at the regular price anyway and my finances are not YOUR problem, so I can only kick myself for overextending. What is regretable and frustrating, would be to purchase an item from a dealer that the dealer/sales person KNEW would be discounted within days or weeks and they did not let you in on that information because they needed that sale to make a goal/quota today[I am not suggesting either of you would or have done such a thing, but you both know someone who has done or had it done to]. Good discussion as always.👍👍
bumbling biden (nice comment) to funny
Haha! Thanks for watching.
Answer before watching the video…. Anytime
We agree!😎
What’s better as a handheld that may be weapon mounted once in a while? The Nox18 or Nox35?
Bought the AGM Neith. Just a great digital day/night optic. You also seriously sidestepped the day usage of digital optics over thermal.
We actually did discuss the benefits of day hunting with scopes like the Wraith and we talked about how we liked it and our kids use them for deer hunting. But the topic is about night hunting and if thermal is killing NV for night hunting. We agree that DNV scopes offer great day hunting opportunities but the Pulsar thermal DUO’s do as well with full color HD daytime optics. Thanks!
Looks like Beryl is on you. Wear your rubbers.
We are getting hammered right now in Nacogodches County. - Jason
What height of the American Defense Recon QD mount did you use for the Th50?
Here is the one we use and sell. We’d love to have your business. outdoorlegacygear.com/products/american-defense-mfg-ad-recon-30mm
Perfect point on nite vision washing out in heavy brush or in the woods from reflection back off of trees or brush.
Thank you for watching!
The discussion is so narrowly focused on hunting as to be of questionable utility. Digital night vision is about as useful as a toilet paper life jacket. Spending any time discussing it is like discussing how to haul sheets of plywood on a bicycle. The two are complimentary technologies. Night vision tends to be higher resolution, no latency, and takes less power. Great to scan an area with to build a mental map of the area and use when just walking through an area where you don't want to spook animals with a light. Thermal chugs batteries by comparison, is lower resolution, and tends to have some latency. However it is fantastic at detecting people and animals that are out in the open. Hammers didn't go away once we invented screwdrivers. Same will be the case here.
As an aside, I just finished watching the full video.........I know........should have waited, but the comment about plinkers and guys that just want to get into shooting with a little more capability.............well when i first got the Mini 4k, just for grins, i mounted it on my MP5, it was a bit bulky, but I will tell you, it is more than capable when used on a sub gun for a defensive purpose. I was pretty impressed. I took it off after a couple hours and a hundred shots, and put my Eotech back on, but still, this thing will function as a defensive optic, as long as you keep up on batteries
Thanks for watching and glad you enjoy your Wraith!
Th fact you can find new thermal 640 for under 3k is crazy and gen3 night vision is still 5k because it is grown in a lab...
Yes sir and that’s why tube based NV went the way of the horse and buggy when it came to hunting applications. Thanks for the comment!
Where are you shopping? You can get a really good Gen 3 tube PVS-14 for $3k or under.
We’re not talking about PVS14’s, that’s not a hunting scope. We’re talking about rifle mounted scopes. Tube based NV rifle scopes are no longer used for hunting and 10 years ago they were being used 10 to 1 over thermal scopes.
I have a Sightmark Wraith 4K mini on a Ruger American GoWild 22 wmr. I set a profile for 25 yards, 50 yards, and 100 yards. I use it to dispatch those masked corn thieven bastiges at my deer feeders. I can use at for day or night. Talk about using for deer/hogs I have the Pulsar Thermion Duo DXP50 that is amazing for daytime, night time or twilight.
Yes sir the 4K Mini and the Pulsar Duo are both fantastic in their own right.
Thanks for the info and just to say I purchased from Outdoor Legacy my wraith 4k mini night vision (with the Sniper Hog Light IR) and then a Asp Micro TM 160 and for around the house ratting the combo is great. In fact the TM 160 is best when camping and a noise at night is in question, pop out the TM 160 from your tent and know what is around. It maybe a skunk, coon or just rats. Thanks Again
For night hunting, thermal will dominate over DNV. However, as DNV gets better and better, it will start edging in on analog night vision systems (PVS-14, Echo, etc). Instead of buying an $8k analog bino set up, I bought two NVG30s with a bridge and for 15% of the price, I have about 80% of the capability. I also got a (relatively) cheap thermal handheld for those totally dark situations where I really don't want to use any IR. Great little setup for the price.
Well I will keep my high spec analog binos as they won’t be replaced by digital anytime soon especially the reliability.
@@ngaoutdoors4157 Absolutely! Analog is the way to go if price isn't a primary concern. Digital has a ways to go yet. But it is heading in that direction.
Thanks for watching!
I have both but I can tell you I love hunting in the daylight with my NV and I can record the hunt. I hope they continue making them. I would love to get the 4k soon.
Yes sir the 4K’s are great we agree that daylight hunting with them is a lot of fun!
NV needs to go the way of some high end video/movie cameras; allowing us to see COLOR in the dark.
The Digex C50 does a great job at twilight
The issue with that seems to be seeing very far in color at night. We’ve used some of the video cameras that work in very dark conditions and while they are amazing for fairly close range use, they don’t have the long range capabilities that hunters need. But is really cool technology!
Pulsar needs to update the c-50, best deer hunting scope I have ever had especially for the low light capabilities 😁 C-50v2 lrf 4k coming soon ?? 😁🇺🇸
Absolutely...having a daytime scope plus night vision is what I want. I don't want to dedicate a rifle to one or the other. The Digex C50 is great and if they were to improve the daytime (it's not bad as is) view, they would sell a ton of them. I don't know if Pulsar will because it would lack the profitability.
@@terrycrissman7392 I think they will hopefully soon😁
The C50 is now way behind in terms of image quality because there are now better sensor's being used by other manufacturers. Theses sensor's alow you to zoom in with a clear picture in day mode. They are a game changer for digital day/night scopes.
We sure hope they do. It’s a great scope but we’ve been told that the 4K sensors they’ve tested take away the amazing low light capabilities so it’s sort of a “one or the other” situation but they were working to make them both happen. Fingers crossed!
The Arken Zulus has a new Sony sensor that is not 4k but with the high grade glass they are using, you can crank the magnification up to 20x with minimal pixelation. If you can get a look at one it is amazing how much better the day time image is compared with the C50.
Me personally actually prefer NV over thermal. I do scan with my taipans though. Don’t get me wrong I like thermal to.
How? I feel nauseous straining my eyes with any kind of digital night vision in any other environment than a completely flat field
@@MrJoe34567 don’t bother me I guess. I use my Neiths more than my Adder. I like thermal to but tend to grab my NV setup’s most.
Thanks for the comments. Everyone is different but some people definitely prefer DNV in certain situations.
@@TheLateNightVisionShow lol I might need a barf bag looking through digital night vision at all the back splash from the IR onto tall grass or brush
I am interested in thermal. Never think much about NV. I think NV is more for binocs on helmets for the military / operators. Thermal is bad enuf for $, NV needs the lotto to cooperate.
NV is cheap
Thanks for watching!
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Video Chapters Below ⬇ Thank y’all for watching Ep. 322! Please call us if you are looking for a new night vision or thermal optic! 877-350-1818 outdoorlegacygear.com Video Chapters: 00:00 Intro 1:37 Intro Show Topic 3:09 History of Night Vision 9:56 Pros and Cons of Night Vision 14:48 Current State of Affairs 29:47 Can Night Vision Weather the Storm? 33:36 Is Night Vision Dead?
Just bought a Wraith 4k max from y'all, should I be freaking out?
We sure appreciate your business! No reason at all to feel our.
The final nail in the coffin for NV will be when daytime mode on a thermal becomes commonplace.
Or when they just integrate NV into thermal scopes. If some company could make NV in a red dot size and weight package I think it would have a place in the market.
All ready there. Pulsar Duo scopes
@@jamesdaniel6081 The pulsar Digex is much less expensive..not thermal but works very well
We agree, more daytime modes on thermal will hurt a lot of digital NV sales for sure.
Where are the clip on scopes in the market these days. I hear good things about them. I have owned an Iray bolt 384 for 4 yrs and very happy with it. This was a very informative show. Thanks
Clip ons are dead with only a few exceptions. They just don’t perform, they are clunky and can’t compete with a dedicated thermal scope that costs less and out performs the clip on in every way. We know those are strong words but after more than a decade in this business and testing most every hunting market clip on from the major companies….theres never been one that performed like everyone wishes they would. Maybe one day!
Thought y’all were going to discuss some of the thermal brands getting components sanctioned, and forcing them to stop production (temporarily?).
Hopefully not but time will tell.
We talked about it when they first came out and there has been 0 other hard info released. We know nothing more than we did on May 1st? If there is factual hard data released we’ll report on it! Thanks for watching
Are you talking about PVS 14s gen 3 monocular/dual nods going away?
Listen to the video and find out lol
@@jaredandrews379 - I listened to the whole thing. Excellent info as always. There was a discussion about night vision potentially being too cheap. $250 was used to prove I listened. My interpretation is that cheap night vision may be a competitor to PVS 14s. Is that a possibility?
@jeffb5781 ah now I understand what your saying. I've noticed pvs14s and dual tubes of good quality have become more affordable on a few different websites.
@@jaredandrews379They have actually went up in 2024, a lot of different specs and options to consider when making a analog nv purchase. Dual nvg’s with good specs $8k and up.
he's talking about crappy digital night vision... which were always pretty much unusable for any application except for ppl who plant and turret and are only going to take one accurate shot (hunters) except that for that application they're pretty much just flat out worse than thermals if that's all you're going to do. Analog night vision (including the pvs-14 that you're talking about) has a vastly different application, as true no lag display allows for huge advantages in navigation, follow up shots, and, well, combat. Pretty much anyone outside the hunting community (military/police/milsim/airsoft/basement larpers/stargazers/night hikers/1 am taco bell drive thru goers) has ALWAYS considered digital night vision performance completely unacceptable for helmet mounted use due to the inherent lag in digital devices and night vision scopes have always been a bad choice "for the poors" because they also vastly underperform IR laser/illuminator active aiming and even passive aiming through a red dot with binos/monoculars. Night vision digital scopes are going away because they were ALWAYS crap. Ppl just couldn't stomach the cost of analog night vision clip-ons or scopes for their limited application (as opposed to analog helmet borne night vision which is rapidly gaining popularity) if they were just going to turret and hunt animals that don't shoot back anyways. And as thermal technology (which, to be fair, has all the same downsides as digital night vision compared with analog night vision because they're just downsides inherent to digital devices) gets better and cheaper, of COURSE digital night vision is going to feel the squeeze. For the application, digital night vision is just across the board not as good as thermal... and for any other application, you're going to just want an analog pvs-14 or some form of binos if you're willing to drop the 2-10 grand it takes to get those. Digital night vision trying to fight thermals is a fool's errand. Both being digital units, one tech just outperforms the other for the use most buyers are looking for that are interested in them for. Where digital night vision SHOULD be focused is focusing computing power on reducing that inherent lag for digital units. Who cares that a unit is 4k or 8k if it still takes a split second to catch up to real world motion? Who cares how good a picture looks like or if you get color or not if you put a monocular on your helmet and it gives you nausea after running around for 15 mins. Get rid of digital lag and suddenly a $1.5k digital night vision monocular looks a LOT more appealing compared to a $3k pvs-14.
lol as I sit here playing with my l3 lol
Analog night vision will never go away.
@@ngaoutdoors4157 facts
We do not believe intensifier tube NV us going away in every market. It has already gone away from the hunting market so that’s a done deal. The question is if digital NV will go away too. But we know that in military and security related markets analog NV isn’t in any major danger.