Awesome content, thank you! I tried printing the 50 sized this am - all went well except the spring clips on the 2 moving pieces. Any tips for helping with that? I printed vertical/similar to how you have the 35 models sized, and did not use support (didn't look like you did on those 35's shown in the video). 100% infil, printing with PLA on a X1 carbon.
@mikelovell75Ай бұрын
I love those tools. We do not use them much. Super expensive, awesome you can make them.
@alfa0mega74Ай бұрын
Mr Kimla did not want to say hi, I guess
@justingorvett10622 ай бұрын
Do you know any details of the motor that is used on the gantry axis of the Madonna machine?
@randomrouting2 ай бұрын
No I didnt look too closely at that unfortunately. Why tho ? Calculating the size you need for a build ? :)
@justingorvett10622 ай бұрын
Wondering where it fits. There's such little space. I assume it goes in the space on the right side of the frame at 7:29??
@randomrouting2 ай бұрын
@@justingorvett1062 Yeah you are right, that must be it. And think they put the tool release button and the light that indicates the spindel is spinning on the box that goes around the motor on them rack and pinion machines. (like at 10:05)
@justingorvett10622 ай бұрын
@@randomrouting This makes sense! The machine shown at 7:58 makes it seem like they have made the motor disappear 😅
@randomrouting2 ай бұрын
@@justingorvett1062 Im not sure but I just assumed that machine was a linear motor machine like mine, but linear motors on a budget machine doesnt sound right. I think that specific machine might be some early hybrid.. perhaps. Im just guessing :) EDIT: Looking at it again, i can see on the Y axis that it IS a linear motor machine. EDIT again: I now realize there are machines with quad linear rails on Y (like mine) so they have the same bellows and look like linear machines but are infact rack and pinnion. But since this specific machine is a "fast" machine with a cutting head and the x axis motor cant be seen , its probably a linear one :)
@robokopik2 ай бұрын
Where is the annealing?
@randomrouting2 ай бұрын
Not sure there is a annealing step, didnt see one atleast. You could ask Kimla bout that :) Im no expert but the steel is 16mm thick, annealing my almost 7tons 8 meter machine would take like close to a week ? And im not sure how much it would really do, there needs to be some crazy stresses going deep into this type structure to affect it to a point where its a problem i guess.. but im really no expert on that. The machines turn out to be very precise atleast :) Btw, i see you put a chair on a ABB robot, did you run a computer to it for flight simulation or rally games ? That would be crazy cool thing to do!
@richardhtrad3 ай бұрын
I like tours like this! Thank you so much for effort, keep going.
@bernhard_derProtoTyp3 ай бұрын
woooooow! that is super impressive! thanks for the tour!
@randomrouting3 ай бұрын
🙌🙌
@ned_mograph59573 ай бұрын
I love tours like this! Thank you so much for sharing! Incredible facility!
@randomrouting3 ай бұрын
Me too! I might upload "the long" version of the tour at some point in some way or another for ppl like us. :) Thanks for watching!
@roeschdan3 ай бұрын
What is the brown material at 11:16 that’s used for the vacuum channel surface of the machine?
@randomrouting3 ай бұрын
Its some typ of phenolic. Popular for machines like these due to it beeing so stable especially during temperature changes.
@beachboardfan95443 ай бұрын
Why would u build such a machine but use rack and pinion instead of ball screws?
@randomrouting3 ай бұрын
Not sure which specific one u'r tinking of but r&p have their place, very cost effective and good for fast wood cutting machines among others. Having said that, there are also some very serious metal cutting machines out there with rack and pinion(some DMG MORI), but cost goes up quick with dual motors and such for preload ect. For the higher end machines Kimla make their own linear motors (like i have one my machine). They are pretty unbeatable on all points. No problem with dust, great speed, precision, longevity and super low maintenance! Then they also add dual linear guides on both sides of the gantry with 8 blocks to increase the stiffness and be able to handle the acceleration/deceleration. Not sure what Kimla thinks about ballscrews on routers but ballscrews on long travel machines is quite tricky? And they come with their own drawbacks like screw whip (unless you rotate the nut) and ball screw stretch, relatively low speed and low acceleration(due to the flex/stretch). Maybe mostly it doesnt like dust too much and they are hard to cover. Shopsabre offer ballscrews on quite long machines tho. US made machines, they have some videos on youtube here. EDIT: I always planned to retrofit my old multicam to ball screws (2x3 meter machine), i never got to it but i did buy C5 3232 screws. So screws will always have a place in my heart due to the precision you can achieve as a hobbyist (nowadays), 10-15 years ago them screws would have cost 3x what i gave for that machine. :)
@EngineeringNibbles3 ай бұрын
Expensive looking machines, I wonder what the end customers use them for!
@randomrouting3 ай бұрын
For routers id say most are probably into woodworking one way or another(they have so many more options and variations of machines for wood and automated panel processing), then theres the knife addition thats for carboard,gaskets or textilecutting.They offer dedicated high speed knife cutting machines that are popular in sign business. For the metal industry there's mainly lasers, waterjet and ofcourse the mills. They also do custom machines for specific applications. I use my Kimla router for 99% aluminium processing and 1% plastic. Mainly for the defence industry. Thanks for watching! :)
@AlexKall3 ай бұрын
Very nice, really like the shelves too, they look so good!
@bbbbbbbbb19753 ай бұрын
Dope❤
@weldmachine3 ай бұрын
That's some serious investment to build CNC Routers. It's a little ironic for me ?? I could never imagine CNC Routers being in such big demand 👍
@randomrouting3 ай бұрын
Yeah the new facility is for their laser machine production. Dont know the numbers but i'd bet thats their bread n butter. They said the aim was to go from 1 laser a week to one a day.
@NamelesshunterGaming3 ай бұрын
coolest dad
@randomrouting3 ай бұрын
yeah for about 1 more year then ill be mega cringe since they're gonna be such cool teenagers ;D
@NamelesshunterGaming3 ай бұрын
@@randomrouting haha oh for sure, but just wait till they get older and their shapeoko owning friends come to find out you have the real deal and you made it autonomous.
@randomrouting3 ай бұрын
@@NamelesshunterGaming 😄
@GregsStoneYard3 ай бұрын
Impressive factory. Thanks for the tour.
@graveurgraveur26913 ай бұрын
Great rapper! Nice to see your videos again.
@randomrouting3 ай бұрын
Haha Thanks buddy! 😅
@Maximus94L3 ай бұрын
Nice film mr. MC-NC Pozdrowienia z Polski :)
@randomrouting3 ай бұрын
😊
@mariushyerandersen3 ай бұрын
Hi . Im Wondering If its possible to Get In touch with you , the company i work at got a kimla router this year and cant figure out the perfect rpm and feed speed when milling in alu.
@randomrouting3 ай бұрын
Hi. Easiest way is probably msg ulundateknik @ instagram. But if its about feeds and speeds then a comment here probably suffice :) What tools and what type of aluminium are you cutting ? I cut mainly 5754 which is soft and i run alot of small tools. You want to produce big chips even with small tools, to keep the heat away, and go with dlc coated single flutes. I mostly run Crown norge single flute coated tools (kimla sells them aswell). a 2mm diameter (6mm flute length on all) i run at about 22mm/s, a 3mm i run at 35mm/s and 4mm at 40mm/s . 6mm at 50-70mm/s depending on the part. All at 24k rpms. If using a 3mm then i got 1 pass on 2,3,4mm alu and 2 pass on 5mm. Using a 4mm endmill i run 1 pass on 2,3,4,5mm. 6mm endmill 1 pass up to 8mm alu. For 6082 you might want to back off a tiny bit, and 7075 a bit more.
@imranghoni3 ай бұрын
Nice video pal
@MrLerch19863 ай бұрын
Do you know a solution for surface scanning of NC files in pccam? Important for engraving.😅
@randomrouting3 ай бұрын
Hmm.. you have an imported NC engraving toolpath? maybe you could place a rectangle or something where the nc code engraving is and surface probe that then apply that to the engraving nc stage ? Side note. I sometimes mix imported nc and pccam's toolpaths so the 3d features are machined using fusion's nc code and then use pccam for engraving and other stuff. Just need to make sure the 0 point is the same for fusion and pccam. just an idea. I'll do more pccam videos soon, i got a software update so there are some new stuff to show :)
@randomrouting3 ай бұрын
And by the way, i do some probing stuff for engraving in this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/n3aTtLSyaMbWdso.htmlsi=w6KGnSysu6Sl9pjD&t=496 . might be helpful.
@danielpohl96873 ай бұрын
Hej! Vad heter ditt företag? Hur kommer man i kontakt med dig?
@randomrouting3 ай бұрын
Hej. kontaktuppgifter hittar du på ulundateknik.se. Kanalen och det jag kan visa här är i huvudsak bara en kul grej för mig privat så jag tenderar inte blanda ihop dem mer än nödvändigt. Hörs!
@thanhnhanhuynhnguyen36525 ай бұрын
I ve just discovered your channel. Awesome ones! You mentioned a podcast but I couldn’t catch the name. Could you share it name so i can find it or the link? Thanks a lot!
@randomrouting5 ай бұрын
Thank you! Yeah I typically listen to The Within Tolerance Podcast by Dylan Jackson @ prodium machining and The business of machining by John Saunders and John Grimsmo.
@thanhnhanhuynhnguyen36525 ай бұрын
@@randomrouting thanks a lot!
@Darnic-Fab5 ай бұрын
That brake is too nice to use!!! Very nice set up you have!
@FergusonBoatworks5 ай бұрын
Just found the channel and am completely mind blown.
@randomrouting5 ай бұрын
:) Thanks! Yeah these are great machines for sure, going to the Kimla factory on wednesday for a factory tour. I'll film as much as possible! (Havent been there in 3 years, i bet alot has happened)
@FergusonBoatworks5 ай бұрын
Wow I am speechless, that is awesome on so many different levels!
@egemens5 ай бұрын
Awesome stuff, both automation and work. I've been following you for a while and your channel is a gem. Can you give some details if possible about how you code the software and protocols used to communicate with stations. for example I have a mach3 based manual toolchange cnc router and use modbusTCP and node-red to automate stuff like dust collection, telegram messages for job status etc. Stuff like air compressor and dust collector are controlled by Esp32's over MQTT. I write scripts in mach3, some js in node-red and some python for Fusion 360. But Mach3 is giving me hell, so i am preparing to move on to LinuxCNC.
@randomrouting5 ай бұрын
Hey thanks. Reading your message really brought be back to the early days! I also fought with mach3 and linux cnc and everything in between. I started off with a radio send/recieve system (with validation) but have moved on to Shelly units. Plan was to use mqtt aswell but using http requests still, might move on later. For the extractor i just use a pressure switch connected to the pneumatic actuators that control the suction cup, when those pressurize (i.e lower) the switch latches and a signal is sent(still using the radiotransmitter) For the air compressor i either just send a httprequest to that shelly unit to turn on the specific output, or the light that indicated that the spindle is turning may also do it. I need to trigger local AHK scripts remotely so i have a light weight webserver running which allows me to send say "192.168.1.422/send/runmyscrupt.ahk" to the computer controlling the router for example. To trigger the robot to run specific programs i got 3 shelly units in the cabinet that can enable/disable inputs on the robot controller, they also work for the robot to trigger its output that goes to a shelly unit so that it may send the signal to the router that it is finished. All rgb lighting everywhere is controlled by shelly rgbw2 units, makes it really simple to get visual feedback for whats going on.
@goldar48465 ай бұрын
Impressive. How much would a setup like that cost?
@randomrouting5 ай бұрын
Thanks! Great question, not sure yet 🤔
@coldhardcad88825 ай бұрын
what is the part number of the dust collection shoe?
@randomrouting5 ай бұрын
Not sure there is one? Maybe kimla has them, not sure. The bottom platter(with the ethanol jets) is my own 3dprinted version though.
@coldhardcad88825 ай бұрын
is it possible to get a picture of it and how it attaches to the machine, whether the spindle or is own separate linear actuator? i am currently running a multicam 5000 series cnc and we cut alot of plastic parts and our chip collection is seriously lacking.@@randomrouting
@randomrouting5 ай бұрын
@@coldhardcad8882 Ah i see. I dont have a pictue but i show a bit here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qql7y9CtfZXXXag.htmlsi=Uo8UWfutBZBMoKpY&t=875 I dont think you will be able to buy this separately from Kimla but you could ask. I used to have a Multicam MG series and back then I was considering this one from Axyz. cncshop.com/products/028088-high-capacity-cast-pressure-foot?variant=34336310919301 Ps. I hate cutting plastic.
@coldhardcad88825 ай бұрын
this is phenomenal information. your system looks like it doesn't use brushes and just keeps the inlet very close to the workpiece. is that correct? is there a difference between a pressure foot and a dust shoe?@@randomrouting
@randomrouting5 ай бұрын
@@coldhardcad8882 No brushes, The bottom plate on mine has tiny holes that eject pressurized air so that it may float on top of the material beeing cut. My machines original plate is made of stainless steel so i have 3d printed mine so it wont scratch the aluminium if/when the sheet gets cut up to the extent that there is no surface left to float on. The inlet hole is 65mm, just big enough to let the HSK63F tool holders trough and there are some threaded holes in the side of the unit that you may plug/unplug to adjust the underpressure/airflow in the cup. The Axys one i think is available in two versions, one with a "blue donut" which is just a PTFE (or other low friction plastic) and slides on top of the material, and the other version you manually set the hight. When using system like this you should consider that the airflow is quite restricted and therefor low, you would not do well with a typical woodworking dust collector system. What you want is a high pressure low volume system. I use a side channel blower but there are other good systems that work kind of like big shopvacs. And when using these systems you dont want to use big 6" ducting.. im using 3" hose and pipe for fast moving air.
@rymannphilippe5 ай бұрын
i can not see ANY safety?
@randomrouting5 ай бұрын
No worries, ill include the safetysystem in a coming video. (It's mainly lidar)
@Nunak915 ай бұрын
That's astonishing! Your shop looks fantastic. Thanks for the PCCam file. That'll be useful. What are those copper nozzles around 0:20? Where can I buy it? Is that with the holder or you can put it on any holder? My boss is planning to buy new machines from Kimla (linears). I know it depends on type of work someone does but maybe you have some general advice what to choose. Is that touch scanner useful? Is presser+extraction foot better than extracion foot?
@randomrouting5 ай бұрын
Thanks as always :) The copper-nozzle thing is just something ive been working on, (I accidentaly edited out talking about it) its meant to stay with the tool holder so every tool has its own custom solution. Its not ready for testing yet as there are some things to sort out but ill let you know when the time comes :) Always fun with new machines! For me personally, I would get the linear motors,probe and presser+foot. Like you said it depends on the product and the type of work but there are alot of benefits of them things. EDIT: -- I wrote alot here but it would be alot easier if I just made a quick private video on the pro's and con's and sent you a link. So ill do that 👍 Im going to kimla probably next week so ill know more about whats new after that :)
@randomrouting5 ай бұрын
There is often something wrong with the commentsfunction, i got a notification about you not beeing able to comment, but even THAT comment isnt showing up. I have seen this type of wierd behavior before, its super annoying. Anyways, ill do a quick video talking about the plus and minuses of the extractionfoot,linears,probe and such :)
@randomrouting5 ай бұрын
@Nunak91 Maybe test if it works when you add @randomrouting somewhere in the comment
You are awesome dude, gotta be the coolest setup I've ever seen 👍
@randomrouting5 ай бұрын
No YOU are awesome, thanks for always being here :)
@hyperformancellc5 ай бұрын
THis made my week. The shop is looking so good Editing was so good!!!! for the HDF. put sheets of paper between the sheets might help since the machine is loading the sheets itself. would break tension and keep the vac from vac'in through multiple sheets. If you want to go to IMTS this year we are going to rent a house outside the city and drive in daily. eat some authentic chicago food and walk around making fun of the gimmicky stuff machine tool companies are trying to pass off as improvements or innovation.
@randomrouting5 ай бұрын
Thanks bud! Took me all dang day to edit! I'd be afraid of the papers falling off to somewhere, perhaps strips that are attached to the back of the racking.. but I think this "shearing-action" will keep working but if not then the plan is to put like stiff brushes on the short sides to cause drag on them. Time will tell :) I would LOOOOOVE to go to IMTS but im having a real hard time even making it to kimla in poland due to work/family/time but thanks, really. If anything changes until september you'll be the first to know!
@hyperformancellc5 ай бұрын
good point!@@randomrouting heck yea man keep up the good work!
did you see the video they had me post? lol@@randomrouting
@freddyd80925 ай бұрын
this man is living my dream!!😃
@bgl000175 ай бұрын
It's amazing what you do with your Kimla!! Thanks for the video and for further ideas, best regards
@randomrouting5 ай бұрын
Thank you :) Hope you are doing well also.💪
@paullermerlanier25845 ай бұрын
You have probably been asked this before but why not a Fibre Laser instead of a router? I work full-time with a new Amada Fibre laser...
@randomrouting5 ай бұрын
Heya. There are a few reasons. Mainly its because the stuff we make cant be made on a laser. Alot of the stuff we do is 2-2,5d machining (like pocketing,angled faces, threads,surfacing,countersinks ect) We use the probe alot, do quite a bit of engraving,put parts into the hole in the table then work on the edge,machine 6 meter extrusions on the T-track and pretty much all parts needs to be chamfered on both sides. (which we do without flipping them) There is no beating the versatility of a router even tho a laser/punch combo machine gets pretty close. You could buy multipl of these routers for the price of amadas laser/punch combo machine tho :) Parts are clean(ready for paint) and completely finished, brushed for paintadhesion,cut,threaded,countersinked,engraved and double side chamfered right off the machine (except bending) and that I love the most. They are ready to go without manual labor.
@paullermerlanier25845 ай бұрын
@@randomrouting awesome! thank you for such a great reply. you have completely changed my opinion of routers. Most People just use them for cabinet manufacturing. I hope Fusion invests in CAM tools Specifically for routers. I currently use the manufacturing extension to nest my parts but the CAM can get very tedious for doing many sheets. Have you heard of SigmaNest? Their software looks pretty compelling. integrated offline bending and nesting. sadly doesn't work with the Amada brake press though.
@randomrouting5 ай бұрын
@@paullermerlanier2584 Thanks! Yes, if i remember correcly Kimla's (the router brand) nesting addon is using the sigmanest engine for their automated nesting. I dont have that yet but i will soon as i plan on getting it after a visit to the factory soon. Havent ever used sigmanest tho as im using amadas "production designer" for flatpattern generation and bending programs. I have automated the heck out of it and it pretty much runs by itself most of the time. I got some scripts that massage the dxf to find features/renames layers and then the kimla autogenerates the toolpaths instantly. Including all chamfering,countersinking and threading. Its quite crazy accually. Another good software for routers is Vectrics Vcarve.(including nesting)
@Horizontreecare6 ай бұрын
cool thingy mabobber..?
@randomrouting6 ай бұрын
I hereby declare that as its official name.😉
@100lokipro6 ай бұрын
What is a diameter and length of spring need for this die? I printed erlier version but there is the hole less 4mm.
@randomrouting6 ай бұрын
Hi. Diameter is 3mm, contracted length is 25mm(including hooks at the ends), max length 85mm. Force from 0,4 to 4.1N linearly. Anything even close to it should work just fine.
@jasonnmoss6 ай бұрын
We use ProductionDesigner here with our Amada HRB2204. My son was using Autoit scripting to automatically press keys and do task with it. Maybe check that out, its free and interacts with Windows GUI. Easy to learn. Great video and work by the way!
@mathieusan6 ай бұрын
maybe safety glasses for the kid would be a good addition
@edwardeesti6 ай бұрын
Hi, did you try to bend AISI 304 for example? Would it survive? Thanks
@randomrouting6 ай бұрын
Hi. I havent done any stainless but it all comes down to thickness. Im sure you cant do 6mm but 2-3 ? Maybe ill try it some day, let me know if you do :)
@edwardeesti5 ай бұрын
@@randomrouting Hi, just for update. I did a test with the V50 version and Stainless 3mm. bends without a problem, S355 4mm. bends without a problem. One more great benefit with this tool is that when using brushed stainless or anything that you don´t want lower tool marks on the products, that is the way to go👌👍 Great job, great success !
@randomrouting5 ай бұрын
@@edwardeesti That amazing! Thanks for testing and sharing!
@GregsStoneYard7 ай бұрын
Really great what you've done with the robot. Well and everything else tool!
@AIexanderHartdegen7 ай бұрын
this metal torturer has a Prusa on his workbench. Don't forget it.
@ConourManufacturing8 ай бұрын
What a beautiful setup you have built!
@randomrouting8 ай бұрын
Thanks! 🎅
@hyperformancellc8 ай бұрын
hell yea! glad to see you posting more! this is awesome
@roguecnc7888 ай бұрын
Can you please do a video on how you made the AI manual only tool
@randomrouting8 ай бұрын
Nowadays OpenAI has made this really easy, if you search for "openai custom gpt" here on youtube you will get alot better videos than i could make :) Its really simple step by step and you are guided the whole way. Ive seen what you do, this will be a cakewalk :)
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Awesome content, thank you! I tried printing the 50 sized this am - all went well except the spring clips on the 2 moving pieces. Any tips for helping with that? I printed vertical/similar to how you have the 35 models sized, and did not use support (didn't look like you did on those 35's shown in the video). 100% infil, printing with PLA on a X1 carbon.
I love those tools. We do not use them much. Super expensive, awesome you can make them.
Mr Kimla did not want to say hi, I guess
Do you know any details of the motor that is used on the gantry axis of the Madonna machine?
No I didnt look too closely at that unfortunately. Why tho ? Calculating the size you need for a build ? :)
Wondering where it fits. There's such little space. I assume it goes in the space on the right side of the frame at 7:29??
@@justingorvett1062 Yeah you are right, that must be it. And think they put the tool release button and the light that indicates the spindel is spinning on the box that goes around the motor on them rack and pinion machines. (like at 10:05)
@@randomrouting This makes sense! The machine shown at 7:58 makes it seem like they have made the motor disappear 😅
@@justingorvett1062 Im not sure but I just assumed that machine was a linear motor machine like mine, but linear motors on a budget machine doesnt sound right. I think that specific machine might be some early hybrid.. perhaps. Im just guessing :) EDIT: Looking at it again, i can see on the Y axis that it IS a linear motor machine. EDIT again: I now realize there are machines with quad linear rails on Y (like mine) so they have the same bellows and look like linear machines but are infact rack and pinnion. But since this specific machine is a "fast" machine with a cutting head and the x axis motor cant be seen , its probably a linear one :)
Where is the annealing?
Not sure there is a annealing step, didnt see one atleast. You could ask Kimla bout that :) Im no expert but the steel is 16mm thick, annealing my almost 7tons 8 meter machine would take like close to a week ? And im not sure how much it would really do, there needs to be some crazy stresses going deep into this type structure to affect it to a point where its a problem i guess.. but im really no expert on that. The machines turn out to be very precise atleast :) Btw, i see you put a chair on a ABB robot, did you run a computer to it for flight simulation or rally games ? That would be crazy cool thing to do!
I like tours like this! Thank you so much for effort, keep going.
woooooow! that is super impressive! thanks for the tour!
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I love tours like this! Thank you so much for sharing! Incredible facility!
Me too! I might upload "the long" version of the tour at some point in some way or another for ppl like us. :) Thanks for watching!
What is the brown material at 11:16 that’s used for the vacuum channel surface of the machine?
Its some typ of phenolic. Popular for machines like these due to it beeing so stable especially during temperature changes.
Why would u build such a machine but use rack and pinion instead of ball screws?
Not sure which specific one u'r tinking of but r&p have their place, very cost effective and good for fast wood cutting machines among others. Having said that, there are also some very serious metal cutting machines out there with rack and pinion(some DMG MORI), but cost goes up quick with dual motors and such for preload ect. For the higher end machines Kimla make their own linear motors (like i have one my machine). They are pretty unbeatable on all points. No problem with dust, great speed, precision, longevity and super low maintenance! Then they also add dual linear guides on both sides of the gantry with 8 blocks to increase the stiffness and be able to handle the acceleration/deceleration. Not sure what Kimla thinks about ballscrews on routers but ballscrews on long travel machines is quite tricky? And they come with their own drawbacks like screw whip (unless you rotate the nut) and ball screw stretch, relatively low speed and low acceleration(due to the flex/stretch). Maybe mostly it doesnt like dust too much and they are hard to cover. Shopsabre offer ballscrews on quite long machines tho. US made machines, they have some videos on youtube here. EDIT: I always planned to retrofit my old multicam to ball screws (2x3 meter machine), i never got to it but i did buy C5 3232 screws. So screws will always have a place in my heart due to the precision you can achieve as a hobbyist (nowadays), 10-15 years ago them screws would have cost 3x what i gave for that machine. :)
Expensive looking machines, I wonder what the end customers use them for!
For routers id say most are probably into woodworking one way or another(they have so many more options and variations of machines for wood and automated panel processing), then theres the knife addition thats for carboard,gaskets or textilecutting.They offer dedicated high speed knife cutting machines that are popular in sign business. For the metal industry there's mainly lasers, waterjet and ofcourse the mills. They also do custom machines for specific applications. I use my Kimla router for 99% aluminium processing and 1% plastic. Mainly for the defence industry. Thanks for watching! :)
Very nice, really like the shelves too, they look so good!
Dope❤
That's some serious investment to build CNC Routers. It's a little ironic for me ?? I could never imagine CNC Routers being in such big demand 👍
Yeah the new facility is for their laser machine production. Dont know the numbers but i'd bet thats their bread n butter. They said the aim was to go from 1 laser a week to one a day.
coolest dad
yeah for about 1 more year then ill be mega cringe since they're gonna be such cool teenagers ;D
@@randomrouting haha oh for sure, but just wait till they get older and their shapeoko owning friends come to find out you have the real deal and you made it autonomous.
@@NamelesshunterGaming 😄
Impressive factory. Thanks for the tour.
Great rapper! Nice to see your videos again.
Haha Thanks buddy! 😅
Nice film mr. MC-NC Pozdrowienia z Polski :)
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Hi . Im Wondering If its possible to Get In touch with you , the company i work at got a kimla router this year and cant figure out the perfect rpm and feed speed when milling in alu.
Hi. Easiest way is probably msg ulundateknik @ instagram. But if its about feeds and speeds then a comment here probably suffice :) What tools and what type of aluminium are you cutting ? I cut mainly 5754 which is soft and i run alot of small tools. You want to produce big chips even with small tools, to keep the heat away, and go with dlc coated single flutes. I mostly run Crown norge single flute coated tools (kimla sells them aswell). a 2mm diameter (6mm flute length on all) i run at about 22mm/s, a 3mm i run at 35mm/s and 4mm at 40mm/s . 6mm at 50-70mm/s depending on the part. All at 24k rpms. If using a 3mm then i got 1 pass on 2,3,4mm alu and 2 pass on 5mm. Using a 4mm endmill i run 1 pass on 2,3,4,5mm. 6mm endmill 1 pass up to 8mm alu. For 6082 you might want to back off a tiny bit, and 7075 a bit more.
Nice video pal
Do you know a solution for surface scanning of NC files in pccam? Important for engraving.😅
Hmm.. you have an imported NC engraving toolpath? maybe you could place a rectangle or something where the nc code engraving is and surface probe that then apply that to the engraving nc stage ? Side note. I sometimes mix imported nc and pccam's toolpaths so the 3d features are machined using fusion's nc code and then use pccam for engraving and other stuff. Just need to make sure the 0 point is the same for fusion and pccam. just an idea. I'll do more pccam videos soon, i got a software update so there are some new stuff to show :)
And by the way, i do some probing stuff for engraving in this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/n3aTtLSyaMbWdso.htmlsi=w6KGnSysu6Sl9pjD&t=496 . might be helpful.
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I ve just discovered your channel. Awesome ones! You mentioned a podcast but I couldn’t catch the name. Could you share it name so i can find it or the link? Thanks a lot!
Thank you! Yeah I typically listen to The Within Tolerance Podcast by Dylan Jackson @ prodium machining and The business of machining by John Saunders and John Grimsmo.
@@randomrouting thanks a lot!
That brake is too nice to use!!! Very nice set up you have!
Just found the channel and am completely mind blown.
:) Thanks! Yeah these are great machines for sure, going to the Kimla factory on wednesday for a factory tour. I'll film as much as possible! (Havent been there in 3 years, i bet alot has happened)
Wow I am speechless, that is awesome on so many different levels!
Awesome stuff, both automation and work. I've been following you for a while and your channel is a gem. Can you give some details if possible about how you code the software and protocols used to communicate with stations. for example I have a mach3 based manual toolchange cnc router and use modbusTCP and node-red to automate stuff like dust collection, telegram messages for job status etc. Stuff like air compressor and dust collector are controlled by Esp32's over MQTT. I write scripts in mach3, some js in node-red and some python for Fusion 360. But Mach3 is giving me hell, so i am preparing to move on to LinuxCNC.
Hey thanks. Reading your message really brought be back to the early days! I also fought with mach3 and linux cnc and everything in between. I started off with a radio send/recieve system (with validation) but have moved on to Shelly units. Plan was to use mqtt aswell but using http requests still, might move on later. For the extractor i just use a pressure switch connected to the pneumatic actuators that control the suction cup, when those pressurize (i.e lower) the switch latches and a signal is sent(still using the radiotransmitter) For the air compressor i either just send a httprequest to that shelly unit to turn on the specific output, or the light that indicated that the spindle is turning may also do it. I need to trigger local AHK scripts remotely so i have a light weight webserver running which allows me to send say "192.168.1.422/send/runmyscrupt.ahk" to the computer controlling the router for example. To trigger the robot to run specific programs i got 3 shelly units in the cabinet that can enable/disable inputs on the robot controller, they also work for the robot to trigger its output that goes to a shelly unit so that it may send the signal to the router that it is finished. All rgb lighting everywhere is controlled by shelly rgbw2 units, makes it really simple to get visual feedback for whats going on.
Impressive. How much would a setup like that cost?
Thanks! Great question, not sure yet 🤔
what is the part number of the dust collection shoe?
Not sure there is one? Maybe kimla has them, not sure. The bottom platter(with the ethanol jets) is my own 3dprinted version though.
is it possible to get a picture of it and how it attaches to the machine, whether the spindle or is own separate linear actuator? i am currently running a multicam 5000 series cnc and we cut alot of plastic parts and our chip collection is seriously lacking.@@randomrouting
@@coldhardcad8882 Ah i see. I dont have a pictue but i show a bit here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qql7y9CtfZXXXag.htmlsi=Uo8UWfutBZBMoKpY&t=875 I dont think you will be able to buy this separately from Kimla but you could ask. I used to have a Multicam MG series and back then I was considering this one from Axyz. cncshop.com/products/028088-high-capacity-cast-pressure-foot?variant=34336310919301 Ps. I hate cutting plastic.
this is phenomenal information. your system looks like it doesn't use brushes and just keeps the inlet very close to the workpiece. is that correct? is there a difference between a pressure foot and a dust shoe?@@randomrouting
@@coldhardcad8882 No brushes, The bottom plate on mine has tiny holes that eject pressurized air so that it may float on top of the material beeing cut. My machines original plate is made of stainless steel so i have 3d printed mine so it wont scratch the aluminium if/when the sheet gets cut up to the extent that there is no surface left to float on. The inlet hole is 65mm, just big enough to let the HSK63F tool holders trough and there are some threaded holes in the side of the unit that you may plug/unplug to adjust the underpressure/airflow in the cup. The Axys one i think is available in two versions, one with a "blue donut" which is just a PTFE (or other low friction plastic) and slides on top of the material, and the other version you manually set the hight. When using system like this you should consider that the airflow is quite restricted and therefor low, you would not do well with a typical woodworking dust collector system. What you want is a high pressure low volume system. I use a side channel blower but there are other good systems that work kind of like big shopvacs. And when using these systems you dont want to use big 6" ducting.. im using 3" hose and pipe for fast moving air.
i can not see ANY safety?
No worries, ill include the safetysystem in a coming video. (It's mainly lidar)
That's astonishing! Your shop looks fantastic. Thanks for the PCCam file. That'll be useful. What are those copper nozzles around 0:20? Where can I buy it? Is that with the holder or you can put it on any holder? My boss is planning to buy new machines from Kimla (linears). I know it depends on type of work someone does but maybe you have some general advice what to choose. Is that touch scanner useful? Is presser+extraction foot better than extracion foot?
Thanks as always :) The copper-nozzle thing is just something ive been working on, (I accidentaly edited out talking about it) its meant to stay with the tool holder so every tool has its own custom solution. Its not ready for testing yet as there are some things to sort out but ill let you know when the time comes :) Always fun with new machines! For me personally, I would get the linear motors,probe and presser+foot. Like you said it depends on the product and the type of work but there are alot of benefits of them things. EDIT: -- I wrote alot here but it would be alot easier if I just made a quick private video on the pro's and con's and sent you a link. So ill do that 👍 Im going to kimla probably next week so ill know more about whats new after that :)
There is often something wrong with the commentsfunction, i got a notification about you not beeing able to comment, but even THAT comment isnt showing up. I have seen this type of wierd behavior before, its super annoying. Anyways, ill do a quick video talking about the plus and minuses of the extractionfoot,linears,probe and such :)
@Nunak91 Maybe test if it works when you add @randomrouting somewhere in the comment
@Nunak91 kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y21omdCMdbC-adI.html
Sweet aesthetics. Horrible soundtrack.
You are awesome dude, gotta be the coolest setup I've ever seen 👍
No YOU are awesome, thanks for always being here :)
THis made my week. The shop is looking so good Editing was so good!!!! for the HDF. put sheets of paper between the sheets might help since the machine is loading the sheets itself. would break tension and keep the vac from vac'in through multiple sheets. If you want to go to IMTS this year we are going to rent a house outside the city and drive in daily. eat some authentic chicago food and walk around making fun of the gimmicky stuff machine tool companies are trying to pass off as improvements or innovation.
Thanks bud! Took me all dang day to edit! I'd be afraid of the papers falling off to somewhere, perhaps strips that are attached to the back of the racking.. but I think this "shearing-action" will keep working but if not then the plan is to put like stiff brushes on the short sides to cause drag on them. Time will tell :) I would LOOOOOVE to go to IMTS but im having a real hard time even making it to kimla in poland due to work/family/time but thanks, really. If anything changes until september you'll be the first to know!
good point!@@randomrouting heck yea man keep up the good work!
@@hyperformancellc Everything mazakrelated sorted ?
The [REDACTED] machine is gone! @@randomrouting
did you see the video they had me post? lol@@randomrouting
this man is living my dream!!😃
It's amazing what you do with your Kimla!! Thanks for the video and for further ideas, best regards
Thank you :) Hope you are doing well also.💪
You have probably been asked this before but why not a Fibre Laser instead of a router? I work full-time with a new Amada Fibre laser...
Heya. There are a few reasons. Mainly its because the stuff we make cant be made on a laser. Alot of the stuff we do is 2-2,5d machining (like pocketing,angled faces, threads,surfacing,countersinks ect) We use the probe alot, do quite a bit of engraving,put parts into the hole in the table then work on the edge,machine 6 meter extrusions on the T-track and pretty much all parts needs to be chamfered on both sides. (which we do without flipping them) There is no beating the versatility of a router even tho a laser/punch combo machine gets pretty close. You could buy multipl of these routers for the price of amadas laser/punch combo machine tho :) Parts are clean(ready for paint) and completely finished, brushed for paintadhesion,cut,threaded,countersinked,engraved and double side chamfered right off the machine (except bending) and that I love the most. They are ready to go without manual labor.
@@randomrouting awesome! thank you for such a great reply. you have completely changed my opinion of routers. Most People just use them for cabinet manufacturing. I hope Fusion invests in CAM tools Specifically for routers. I currently use the manufacturing extension to nest my parts but the CAM can get very tedious for doing many sheets. Have you heard of SigmaNest? Their software looks pretty compelling. integrated offline bending and nesting. sadly doesn't work with the Amada brake press though.
@@paullermerlanier2584 Thanks! Yes, if i remember correcly Kimla's (the router brand) nesting addon is using the sigmanest engine for their automated nesting. I dont have that yet but i will soon as i plan on getting it after a visit to the factory soon. Havent ever used sigmanest tho as im using amadas "production designer" for flatpattern generation and bending programs. I have automated the heck out of it and it pretty much runs by itself most of the time. I got some scripts that massage the dxf to find features/renames layers and then the kimla autogenerates the toolpaths instantly. Including all chamfering,countersinking and threading. Its quite crazy accually. Another good software for routers is Vectrics Vcarve.(including nesting)
cool thingy mabobber..?
I hereby declare that as its official name.😉
What is a diameter and length of spring need for this die? I printed erlier version but there is the hole less 4mm.
Hi. Diameter is 3mm, contracted length is 25mm(including hooks at the ends), max length 85mm. Force from 0,4 to 4.1N linearly. Anything even close to it should work just fine.
We use ProductionDesigner here with our Amada HRB2204. My son was using Autoit scripting to automatically press keys and do task with it. Maybe check that out, its free and interacts with Windows GUI. Easy to learn. Great video and work by the way!
maybe safety glasses for the kid would be a good addition
Hi, did you try to bend AISI 304 for example? Would it survive? Thanks
Hi. I havent done any stainless but it all comes down to thickness. Im sure you cant do 6mm but 2-3 ? Maybe ill try it some day, let me know if you do :)
@@randomrouting Hi, just for update. I did a test with the V50 version and Stainless 3mm. bends without a problem, S355 4mm. bends without a problem. One more great benefit with this tool is that when using brushed stainless or anything that you don´t want lower tool marks on the products, that is the way to go👌👍 Great job, great success !
@@edwardeesti That amazing! Thanks for testing and sharing!
Really great what you've done with the robot. Well and everything else tool!
this metal torturer has a Prusa on his workbench. Don't forget it.
What a beautiful setup you have built!
Thanks! 🎅
hell yea! glad to see you posting more! this is awesome
Can you please do a video on how you made the AI manual only tool
Nowadays OpenAI has made this really easy, if you search for "openai custom gpt" here on youtube you will get alot better videos than i could make :) Its really simple step by step and you are guided the whole way. Ive seen what you do, this will be a cakewalk :)