Having had a extra productive week with the machine and the 2 year anniversary(!) for the Kimla arrival coming up i reflect on my favourite things about it. Im kinda gushing in the video but its just all so good. Note. I have seen really high end machines that i would deem equivalent in build quality but then taking the price into account I have to give the win to the kimla. And when i say "I have seen most of them" i mean a subset of machines from the main manufacturers typically at the big tradeshows. Biesse,Anderson,Wissner,portatec,thermwood, CR onsrud,multicam ect ect. Some of them offer linear motors too! Felt i better clearfy to that extent. Alot of good machines out there! Regarding PCCAM, There is still alot to discover. Automatic placement and nesting is in the cards next. There is also filename "properties" that can be read in. Material,amount of parts,thickness and also tags that could possibly couple the part to a specific workorder. Exciting stuff!

Just found the channel and am completely mind blown.

@randomrouting

4 ай бұрын

:) Thanks! Yeah these are great machines for sure, going to the Kimla factory on wednesday for a factory tour. I'll film as much as possible! (Havent been there in 3 years, i bet alot has happened)

Great video!

Awesome!

Oh man I’d love one of these someday. Such an awesome machine. Not sure if they’re even available in Australia though

Kimla is a funny company. The machines are ok in many ways, but sometimes they do stuff like put soft PU hoses (instead of Nylon or Polyethylene) all throughout the machine (even for coolant). I was helping a friend of a friend as I can service most of CNC machines and I found out that 3 machines had a problem of disintegrating hoses at the same time - All throughout the machines the hoses were disintegrating at random places (coolant mist entered every crevice of the machine from the machining area). It was a disaster, I couldn't even open one of the machines due to strange sheet-metal work. I told him naah I'm not fixing this, call Kimla people :D

@randomrouting

Жыл бұрын

That doesnt sound great, I didnt see any of that tho. Perhaps they have evolved :) I have had some gaskets deteriorate rapidly, and the "level showing tube" on the container aswell, but i was running ethanol in a system designed for oil so that was kinda expected :) I just changed them out for epdm,ptfe ect.

@chronokoks

Жыл бұрын

@@randomrouting yeah I hope they did :D we were running ethanol cooling with a strong vacuum system and I always worried it would do a bit of a boom one day, but it never happened :D thank god :D We filled a 2000l bag with aluminum chips every 10 days :D Too bad that most of the router companies don't have a ready solution for ethanol cooling even though the machines cut aluminum very often

@randomrouting

Жыл бұрын

@@chronokoks Yeah its always at the back of my mind aswell since ill be running so much unattended, some precautions have/will be made but I did the calculations a while back and as long as the pump doesnt output more ethanol that is set and the extractor keeps running at the same capacity, then the mixture is too lean to ignite. 2m2 every 10 days is crazy :)

@chronokoks

Жыл бұрын

@@randomrouting Yes, 2 shifts, doing insanely large aluminum plates for automation. It was for some 110 machines for several lines for factory that does something with glass fiber. 1 vacuum tower was sucking chips for 2 big routers. Fun times.

@chronokoks

Жыл бұрын

@@randomrouting a bit of distilled water in the mix decreases the combustibility quite considerably

If you got way too excited about a youtube channel and you just bought a large format CNC router ;D Okay, scouting for >1 year and settled on a Wissner machine. But love the idea of long unattended runs > robot automation for a 1 person machine building business.

@randomrouting

Жыл бұрын

:) The wissner machines are awesome. Hope you make a video about it! They also offer linear motors on their high end ones, mineral casting in the table and its all out of aluminium with coolant lines though the plates. Their vacuum tables are also really nice. 👍

@FriedrichKegel

Жыл бұрын

@@randomrouting Haha I hope so! Unfortunately not with linear motors, but got a second hand deal it was hard to say no to. Will do a vid about it once its here - lets see if it becomes a retrofit project or if I just go for a Heidenhain controller. And hope their wired one-side-driven gantry design is of any use.

Do you have P/N for the vacuum pump silencer?

@randomrouting

Жыл бұрын

I believe its "0947A90110 Samos 1 1/4""

Hi . Im Wondering If its possible to Get In touch with you , the company i work at got a kimla router this year and cant figure out the perfect rpm and feed speed when milling in alu.

@randomrouting

2 ай бұрын

Hi. Easiest way is probably msg ulundateknik @ instagram. But if its about feeds and speeds then a comment here probably suffice :) What tools and what type of aluminium are you cutting ? I cut mainly 5754 which is soft and i run alot of small tools. You want to produce big chips even with small tools, to keep the heat away, and go with dlc coated single flutes. I mostly run Crown norge single flute coated tools (kimla sells them aswell). a 2mm diameter (6mm flute length on all) i run at about 22mm/s, a 3mm i run at 35mm/s and 4mm at 40mm/s . 6mm at 50-70mm/s depending on the part. All at 24k rpms. If using a 3mm then i got 1 pass on 2,3,4mm alu and 2 pass on 5mm. Using a 4mm endmill i run 1 pass on 2,3,4,5mm. 6mm endmill 1 pass up to 8mm alu. For 6082 you might want to back off a tiny bit, and 7075 a bit more.

Hi, May I know around how much is this Kimla CNC machine? Great content❤

@randomrouting

Жыл бұрын

Back in late 2020 it was around €150k including shipping,12 toolholders ect. 👍

@bbbbbbbbb1975

Жыл бұрын

I bought my first 1.8*2.5m cnc router from China, with t slot table and vacuum table side to side, and a rotating axis. But the machine rigidity and accuracy is really sub par. it only cost €25k total, but I got to make a lot of upgrade to the cnc, and train myself😅

@bbbbbbbbb1975

Жыл бұрын

I really admire your machine, but the price is too much for me now😬

@bbbbbbbbb1975

Жыл бұрын

Wish you the best, I learned a lot, thanks for sharing❤

@randomrouting

Жыл бұрын

@@bbbbbbbbb1975 I built my first cnc from parts in early 2010/12 or so and then later bought a used multicam (4k euro) and retrofitted the control,atc spindle and servos over a couple years, used that to build the business and eventually could justify and afford the kimla. Keep going and perfecting, you'll get there! Only problem is the goalposts keeps on moving :) Thanks for watching!

You have probably been asked this before but why not a Fibre Laser instead of a router? I work full-time with a new Amada Fibre laser...

@randomrouting

4 ай бұрын

Heya. There are a few reasons. Mainly its because the stuff we make cant be made on a laser. Alot of the stuff we do is 2-2,5d machining (like pocketing,angled faces, threads,surfacing,countersinks ect) We use the probe alot, do quite a bit of engraving,put parts into the hole in the table then work on the edge,machine 6 meter extrusions on the T-track and pretty much all parts needs to be chamfered on both sides. (which we do without flipping them) There is no beating the versatility of a router even tho a laser/punch combo machine gets pretty close. You could buy multipl of these routers for the price of amadas laser/punch combo machine tho :) Parts are clean(ready for paint) and completely finished, brushed for paintadhesion,cut,threaded,countersinked,engraved and double side chamfered right off the machine (except bending) and that I love the most. They are ready to go without manual labor.

@paullermerlanier2584

4 ай бұрын

@@randomrouting awesome! thank you for such a great reply. you have completely changed my opinion of routers. Most People just use them for cabinet manufacturing. I hope Fusion invests in CAM tools Specifically for routers. I currently use the manufacturing extension to nest my parts but the CAM can get very tedious for doing many sheets. Have you heard of SigmaNest? Their software looks pretty compelling. integrated offline bending and nesting. sadly doesn't work with the Amada brake press though.

@randomrouting

4 ай бұрын

@@paullermerlanier2584 Thanks! Yes, if i remember correcly Kimla's (the router brand) nesting addon is using the sigmanest engine for their automated nesting. I dont have that yet but i will soon as i plan on getting it after a visit to the factory soon. Havent ever used sigmanest tho as im using amadas "production designer" for flatpattern generation and bending programs. I have automated the heck out of it and it pretty much runs by itself most of the time. I got some scripts that massage the dxf to find features/renames layers and then the kimla autogenerates the toolpaths instantly. Including all chamfering,countersinking and threading. Its quite crazy accually. Another good software for routers is Vectrics Vcarve.(including nesting)

what is the part number of the dust collection shoe?

@randomrouting

4 ай бұрын

Not sure there is one? Maybe kimla has them, not sure. The bottom platter(with the ethanol jets) is my own 3dprinted version though.

@coldhardcad8882

4 ай бұрын

is it possible to get a picture of it and how it attaches to the machine, whether the spindle or is own separate linear actuator? i am currently running a multicam 5000 series cnc and we cut alot of plastic parts and our chip collection is seriously lacking.@@randomrouting

@randomrouting

4 ай бұрын

@@coldhardcad8882 Ah i see. I dont have a pictue but i show a bit here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qql7y9CtfZXXXag.htmlsi=Uo8UWfutBZBMoKpY&t=875 I dont think you will be able to buy this separately from Kimla but you could ask. I used to have a Multicam MG series and back then I was considering this one from Axyz. cncshop.com/products/028088-high-capacity-cast-pressure-foot?variant=34336310919301 Ps. I hate cutting plastic.

@coldhardcad8882

4 ай бұрын

this is phenomenal information. your system looks like it doesn't use brushes and just keeps the inlet very close to the workpiece. is that correct? is there a difference between a pressure foot and a dust shoe?@@randomrouting

@randomrouting

4 ай бұрын

@@coldhardcad8882 No brushes, The bottom plate on mine has tiny holes that eject pressurized air so that it may float on top of the material beeing cut. My machines original plate is made of stainless steel so i have 3d printed mine so it wont scratch the aluminium if/when the sheet gets cut up to the extent that there is no surface left to float on. The inlet hole is 65mm, just big enough to let the HSK63F tool holders trough and there are some threaded holes in the side of the unit that you may plug/unplug to adjust the underpressure/airflow in the cup. The Axys one i think is available in two versions, one with a "blue donut" which is just a PTFE (or other low friction plastic) and slides on top of the material, and the other version you manually set the hight. When using system like this you should consider that the airflow is quite restricted and therefor low, you would not do well with a typical woodworking dust collector system. What you want is a high pressure low volume system. I use a side channel blower but there are other good systems that work kind of like big shopvacs. And when using these systems you dont want to use big 6" ducting.. im using 3" hose and pipe for fast moving air.