So you can charge the car while the AC is on ? Cause who wants to sit in a car when it’s 97 degrees
@cmpoole10 күн бұрын
I rented a Tesla Model 3 and the charging experience was absolutely seamless for a complete newb. Car navigates you to the station. Roll up. Plug in. Done. I'm looking at buying an EV and these other charging situations just seem like such a fucking headache. So many apps and inconsistent chargers. It's just not even close.
@goneelectric10 күн бұрын
I don’t disagree. Nice to hear you’re thinking EV!
@eveanddell13 күн бұрын
Stupid question- will you pay less for the electric bill if you go with a L2 from a L1?
@goneelectric13 күн бұрын
@@eveanddell Typically, it is cheaper to charge with L2 than L1, since voltage for L2 (~240v) is closer to your car’s battery voltage. In essence it’s more efficient. Just have to balance that with installation costs for L2, which can vary quite a bit based on several factors. A few folks in the comments for this video have shared how much it cost for them.
@AndyNguyenMedia16 күн бұрын
Saw 999 subcribers and just make you 1K LOL
@goneelectric16 күн бұрын
King among men!
@Markviews202017 күн бұрын
It’s not that easy and you’re fucking up sucks
@808BizStuff18 күн бұрын
Best practice: manually STOP charging BEFORE unplugging via station screen or stop command in app. Don't just yank out connector! Can harm 🚗 AND charge station equipment.
@808BizStuff18 күн бұрын
I've hit 190 kW on EA's 150 kW stations w the Ioniq5.... 🤷
@Medmann4821 күн бұрын
How do you pay? How does the Chargepoint charger collect money?
@goneelectric21 күн бұрын
Simplest way is to add a credit card as a payment option in the Chargepoint app.
@onlythemessenger2804 күн бұрын
@@goneelectricis that safe ? Seems like every company and hospital is getting hacked nowadays …
@davejones195922 күн бұрын
Weight does necessarily equate to quality.
@davejones195922 күн бұрын
Unless you can charge at home, owning an EV is an exercise in frustration. If EVs are going to become mainstream something as to change. There should be several EA stations at every gas gas station.
@ArielBatista24 күн бұрын
I also had to reset my cars infotainment for the app to connect. But all is good for me. I also have a 2022 Pro S RWD.
@goneelectric24 күн бұрын
Nice, glad it worked!
@xxx-ug6zl25 күн бұрын
In Oregon my Electrify America 150 kilowatt charger cost me $56 a kilowatt hour
@PedroBrandaodrums26 күн бұрын
I always use L1 at home we city drivers so no need to L2 sounds hard to believe but that's our current situation. We love our MY21 ID.4
@goneelectric23 күн бұрын
Similar situation for us. We do too!
@jellyd488927 күн бұрын
Tesla update sucked the first years too. no one complained.
@goneelectric27 күн бұрын
That is contradictory, but thanks for watching.
@vulpixelful27 күн бұрын
There are some channels that seem dedicated to hating their EV for some reason (I have the same one). They'll post more negative than positive, or even normal experiences.
@dartmore1029 күн бұрын
Thanks for the troubleshooting at the end of the video. I had the exact same problem, with the ID.4 no longer connecting to the app.
@goneelectric29 күн бұрын
No problem. Glad it helped!
@r33c3rАй бұрын
I got the update. It installed successfully. But it still says software is at 3.1. ???
@goneelectricАй бұрын
Nice! Mine still says 3.1 as well.
@dzerresАй бұрын
Wow, that is totally lame. Please find a friend with a Tesla and "watch" one of those updates. ps, there is no "watching" because if you set it up right the Tesla will just update overnight at a time of your choosing and let you know in the morning that it was completed (usually in just a few minutes). This VW thing is just sad - pathetic, really.
@johnstubbs3573Ай бұрын
I learned not to buy an ID 4 lol I will get a Tesla instead :D
@dzerresАй бұрын
For updates, charging and performance alone the Tesla is superior to anything out there.
@mikehernandez452Ай бұрын
Cool video! I have an ID4 2021 and received the email but no update yet 😢. Hopefully soon! Btw any improvements since you got it? Last update that I got I had to go to the dealer to get it and it helped with range. I have more range now. 🎉🎉. Hopefully you can make a video on what’s new with 3.2 That be awesome to watch!!
@goneelectricАй бұрын
Thanks! Hopefully they push this update to you soon. More range, the better. Follow up video on this update to come soon!
@mikehernandez452Ай бұрын
@@goneelectric I will def be on the look out for that video, also cool that your making videos with your ID4? Is this car a keeper or you plan to get something else later? For me it’s a keeper, I really love my car!
@goneelectricАй бұрын
It’s a keeper!
@mikehernandez452Ай бұрын
@@goneelectric that is awesome!!! Same with mine! Very interested to see how Volkswagen evolves with their EV’s.
@SkyDawg108Ай бұрын
Excellent video. Thanks. I'm currently a PHEV owner and charge only at home. My next car will be full-on BEV, but Lordy this video does not inspire confidence in today's public charging infrastructure. OTOH, now that Tesla has begun to open its Supercharger network to other brands (Ford, as of today, GM soon to follow), that access may help bridge the reliability gap so painfully evident in your experience. OTOH, Tesla's CEO has just laid off his entire Supercharger organization, casting doubt on whether he'll continue to build out his network or, importantly, even continue to maintain what's now in place.
@goneelectricАй бұрын
Thanks! Glad it shed some light on the public charging experience. I think being able to use the SC network will be a net positive, though it won’t always be smooth, especially as more and more non-Tesla folks use it, and who knows what will happen if Elon decides against maintaining existing stations. Good to have home charging!
@arymu007Ай бұрын
Yes! But do not allow the percentage of charge to go below 50%. Also, charge between the hours of 8:00pm to 8:00 am which should be enough for daily driving. I'm currently doing this until I get my panel upgrade and fast charger.
@goneelectricАй бұрын
Good recs!
@hakeemkareem3211Ай бұрын
For convenience and ability to charge whenever I have the need, I installed hardwired ChargePoint level 2 charger. Installation and the charger cost me $1200.00. It’s all about convenience. I prefer sending my money on errands.
@marcw.5492Ай бұрын
135 max rate ... 135 kw per hour ? hjow does that translate to 200 mile capacity ?
@808BizStuff18 күн бұрын
EVs typically get about 4+ miles per kWh. So 50kWh of charged capacity in 🔋 gets U about 200+mi. Typical 🔋 sizes on EVs these days: 60-110 kWh
@dlagruaАй бұрын
I ran into a guy today in the strip mall parking lot and he was charging his EV. I asked him how long does it take to get a full charge. He said, it takes about 30 minutes I came out of the stores an hour later, and he was still charging. His range was only about 200 miles as he ran the AC and a stereo system. BIG DEAL.!. One day he will go on a cross county journey and end up stuck in inner city Detroit.
@goneelectricАй бұрын
I’ve actually got a video showing how long it can take. It can be annoying if you rely solely on public charging instead of home charging. And you’ve got to be prepared for those road trips!
@Steve_in_NJАй бұрын
I have a new KIA Niro EV. Drove it 2 weeks before needing a charge. Hyundai/KIA/Genesis has free EA service so I drove to my nearest EV Charger and it did ramp up to 65 kW charging (KIA has a 64 kWh charging port). Went from 48% to 80% in 27 minutes! Today is 2 weeks later, down to 42% and my ChargePoint+ home Level 2 charger will be installed next Monday so I'll almost never need a public charger again unless I'm on a road trip.
@goneelectricАй бұрын
Congrats, that’s big!
@Steve_in_NJАй бұрын
@@goneelectric Today, I visited a EVGo charger and in about 30 minutes, spent $15 and I stopped it at 62% (from 29%); needed enough juice in case I have an issue with my electrician's installation with my home charger.
@JeffGardner-caАй бұрын
May be helpful next time to display battery temp before,during, after charging. Still a helpful video.
@goneelectricАй бұрын
It’s shown before and after, but not during. Appreciate the note, and glad you found it helpful!
@def-supreme5409Ай бұрын
Very pathetic.....
@davejones1959Ай бұрын
I have a Hummer EV SUV. Level 1 is a waste of time. 1 mile per hour. Level 2 hardwire gets me about 18 miles per hour. Never used a public charger and hopefully never have to. Too much hassle. I get about 290 miles at 80%. More than adequate for daily use.
@goneelectricАй бұрын
Agree- you have an easy case for installing L2
@briansun45872 ай бұрын
very helpful video for 1st time EV owners, thank you!
@goneelectric2 ай бұрын
Thanks, you’re welcome!
@scottb57332 ай бұрын
Looks the charge met the 80% limit preset by the car. Not a charger issue.
@MrThe1234guy2 ай бұрын
Level 1 😂 what if you have to go to the hospital in the middle of the night
@goneelectricАй бұрын
Maintaining a SOC of at least 50% is critical for emergencies, which means some folks may not be able to subsist on L1 alone, or at all.
@coreyschmidt7342 ай бұрын
Have you gotten the update for plug and charge? I had 4 stops from Southern California to the pnw and initializing the charge was easy and flawless.
@goneelectricАй бұрын
Unfortunately, mine doesn’t qualify for plug and charge. Glad it’s working for you!
@vulpixelful2 ай бұрын
You weren't going to get the higher charging speed at Chargepoint since you started above 20%. As you saw, you get the highest DC charging speed when you start at 20% or below for ID.4s. I realize you had time constraints but that's an important factor for people to take into consideration.
@brianmartin32632 ай бұрын
6 years charging on level one. It adds up. 60 miles a night x 350 nights a year = 21,000 miles a year at super low off peak rates. Supplement when necessary with the Tesla Supercharger Network. 😊
@joseayalatr3s2 ай бұрын
Can’t believe I watched this entire video, doesn’t even make sense to leave a car charging for a few days
@Rhaman682 ай бұрын
I wonder, what is your worry about charging “issues” related to less than rated charging levels? Not much can be done except trying a different charger.
@goneelectric2 ай бұрын
More of an interest than a worry. Helps understand how EV batteries work, and over the long term, it can be used to monitor battery health.
@johnlyons13302 ай бұрын
My first EV charge (Bolt EUV) was at that exact EA station at the Vons in Seal Beach in July 2023. I had about 50% state of charge but wasn't sure if a charge would be successful so I didn't want to let it get any lower. Nine months later, all the charging anxiety I had buying the car is gone. Totally dependent on public charging. Rarely had an issue charging, and where I did, there's another charger not too far away.
@goneelectric2 ай бұрын
That’s great to hear! Reflects my experience as well. We do have issues on the road occasionally, but experience in troubleshooting builds confidence.
@rockstarmax2 ай бұрын
Great video on electrify America. I am with Cennox a national company that does repairs installation and turnkey solutions. I would like to get a hold of you to maybe partner so if you could please respond and we could exchange emails. Thank you. Max my name is Max as well.
@goneelectric2 ай бұрын
Hi Max. You can find my email address under the 'About' section of my KZread page. Appreciate your interest.
@daveerrington51662 ай бұрын
Level one charging is so much better for your battery in the long run then level two if it works for you
@byz-blade14 сағат бұрын
L2 charging is essentially the same as L1 in terms of battery wear. It is L3 DC fast charging that is hard on the battery, although even then it’s not as bad as it is often made out to be. Charging beyond the 10-80% range is harder on the battery. We’ve been charging exclusively on an L2 for 2.5 years, and the battery capacity hasn’t changed. Being able to fully charge in 10 hours instead of 36 is hugely important for us, as our daily trips tends to be fairly lengthy.
@sammydavis9912 ай бұрын
No
@hawkeye125lh2 ай бұрын
I thought depending on your EV model is how much KW is pulled ,, in other words the car tells the charger how much power to give you not the charger ..
@Ryan-rr5fg2 ай бұрын
Congratulations on the trash can!! We don’t have any in my area!!
@goneelectric2 ай бұрын
Maybe someday you’ll have one too…
@Jgeetharealg2 ай бұрын
I have a 2024 Volvo c40. I was at 51 % charge. I charged to 90% my credit card was charged $30.. that's ridiculous
@bigboobtube29802 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info
@goneelectric2 ай бұрын
You got it.
@flolou84962 ай бұрын
Thank you for doing this video: If you still look at old comments: I just want to say a few things: # 1) Does the comparison between these providers vary on what's best for an EV owner based on where you live ? #2) Does the comparsion between these providers vary on what's best for you dependin on the make and model of your EV? for example, maybe Electrify America's programs is better suited for Nissan Leaf's or Chevy Bolt's, etc. etc...
@goneelectricАй бұрын
You’re welcome! They are all similar in terms of what they provide for your EV. The biggest thing for you to track is the max speed of the charger (50kw, 100kw, 350kw etc), because each EV has a different max rate they can accommodate.
@flolou8496Ай бұрын
@@goneelectric So speaking of charging, here is something I wonder about, and so do a lot of people but we could use some exact measuremens on if possible and that is this: ? What is say the exact amout of battey degradation that would occur to an EV's motor if say you were to DC Level 3 fast charge the motor, we'll say 25% of an annual 10K miles ? (for say 4 years?)
@timsimshurst3 ай бұрын
In Europe there are millions of apartments without garages.... you need to think again
@markchapin71493 ай бұрын
Did you pay the annual fee for all of the functionality that you displayed?
@goneelectric3 ай бұрын
I had not upgraded to premium when I shot this video. I did later though because they ended up limiting the non-premium version’s functionality. Was about $6/year. Well worth it IMO.
@kelleybuell55823 ай бұрын
At first I was all ready to install a l2 but l1 is working so why bother. I have fast chargers in the area if needed.
@goneelectric3 ай бұрын
Our situation is similar.
@flolou84963 ай бұрын
Can someone go into the cheapest way to get a 60 AMP 220 circuit into a residence ? The 2022 Chevy Bolts can take advantage of a 60 AMP circuit which can fully charge from empty to 100% in apx 7 hours, but others have said it's rare for even modern homes to have this type of circuit AMPS:
@richardlangford6463 ай бұрын
Level 1 at 240 volts in Portugal gives a charge rate of 2.5kw. With solar panels and home battery, once that battery is full I plug the car in and get free power. This works for 6-8 months, and the rest of the year I plug in overnight. Much better than spending $1000 on a Wall box.
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So you can charge the car while the AC is on ? Cause who wants to sit in a car when it’s 97 degrees
I rented a Tesla Model 3 and the charging experience was absolutely seamless for a complete newb. Car navigates you to the station. Roll up. Plug in. Done. I'm looking at buying an EV and these other charging situations just seem like such a fucking headache. So many apps and inconsistent chargers. It's just not even close.
I don’t disagree. Nice to hear you’re thinking EV!
Stupid question- will you pay less for the electric bill if you go with a L2 from a L1?
@@eveanddell Typically, it is cheaper to charge with L2 than L1, since voltage for L2 (~240v) is closer to your car’s battery voltage. In essence it’s more efficient. Just have to balance that with installation costs for L2, which can vary quite a bit based on several factors. A few folks in the comments for this video have shared how much it cost for them.
Saw 999 subcribers and just make you 1K LOL
King among men!
It’s not that easy and you’re fucking up sucks
Best practice: manually STOP charging BEFORE unplugging via station screen or stop command in app. Don't just yank out connector! Can harm 🚗 AND charge station equipment.
I've hit 190 kW on EA's 150 kW stations w the Ioniq5.... 🤷
How do you pay? How does the Chargepoint charger collect money?
Simplest way is to add a credit card as a payment option in the Chargepoint app.
@@goneelectricis that safe ? Seems like every company and hospital is getting hacked nowadays …
Weight does necessarily equate to quality.
Unless you can charge at home, owning an EV is an exercise in frustration. If EVs are going to become mainstream something as to change. There should be several EA stations at every gas gas station.
I also had to reset my cars infotainment for the app to connect. But all is good for me. I also have a 2022 Pro S RWD.
Nice, glad it worked!
In Oregon my Electrify America 150 kilowatt charger cost me $56 a kilowatt hour
I always use L1 at home we city drivers so no need to L2 sounds hard to believe but that's our current situation. We love our MY21 ID.4
Similar situation for us. We do too!
Tesla update sucked the first years too. no one complained.
That is contradictory, but thanks for watching.
There are some channels that seem dedicated to hating their EV for some reason (I have the same one). They'll post more negative than positive, or even normal experiences.
Thanks for the troubleshooting at the end of the video. I had the exact same problem, with the ID.4 no longer connecting to the app.
No problem. Glad it helped!
I got the update. It installed successfully. But it still says software is at 3.1. ???
Nice! Mine still says 3.1 as well.
Wow, that is totally lame. Please find a friend with a Tesla and "watch" one of those updates. ps, there is no "watching" because if you set it up right the Tesla will just update overnight at a time of your choosing and let you know in the morning that it was completed (usually in just a few minutes). This VW thing is just sad - pathetic, really.
I learned not to buy an ID 4 lol I will get a Tesla instead :D
For updates, charging and performance alone the Tesla is superior to anything out there.
Cool video! I have an ID4 2021 and received the email but no update yet 😢. Hopefully soon! Btw any improvements since you got it? Last update that I got I had to go to the dealer to get it and it helped with range. I have more range now. 🎉🎉. Hopefully you can make a video on what’s new with 3.2 That be awesome to watch!!
Thanks! Hopefully they push this update to you soon. More range, the better. Follow up video on this update to come soon!
@@goneelectric I will def be on the look out for that video, also cool that your making videos with your ID4? Is this car a keeper or you plan to get something else later? For me it’s a keeper, I really love my car!
It’s a keeper!
@@goneelectric that is awesome!!! Same with mine! Very interested to see how Volkswagen evolves with their EV’s.
Excellent video. Thanks. I'm currently a PHEV owner and charge only at home. My next car will be full-on BEV, but Lordy this video does not inspire confidence in today's public charging infrastructure. OTOH, now that Tesla has begun to open its Supercharger network to other brands (Ford, as of today, GM soon to follow), that access may help bridge the reliability gap so painfully evident in your experience. OTOH, Tesla's CEO has just laid off his entire Supercharger organization, casting doubt on whether he'll continue to build out his network or, importantly, even continue to maintain what's now in place.
Thanks! Glad it shed some light on the public charging experience. I think being able to use the SC network will be a net positive, though it won’t always be smooth, especially as more and more non-Tesla folks use it, and who knows what will happen if Elon decides against maintaining existing stations. Good to have home charging!
Yes! But do not allow the percentage of charge to go below 50%. Also, charge between the hours of 8:00pm to 8:00 am which should be enough for daily driving. I'm currently doing this until I get my panel upgrade and fast charger.
Good recs!
For convenience and ability to charge whenever I have the need, I installed hardwired ChargePoint level 2 charger. Installation and the charger cost me $1200.00. It’s all about convenience. I prefer sending my money on errands.
135 max rate ... 135 kw per hour ? hjow does that translate to 200 mile capacity ?
EVs typically get about 4+ miles per kWh. So 50kWh of charged capacity in 🔋 gets U about 200+mi. Typical 🔋 sizes on EVs these days: 60-110 kWh
I ran into a guy today in the strip mall parking lot and he was charging his EV. I asked him how long does it take to get a full charge. He said, it takes about 30 minutes I came out of the stores an hour later, and he was still charging. His range was only about 200 miles as he ran the AC and a stereo system. BIG DEAL.!. One day he will go on a cross county journey and end up stuck in inner city Detroit.
I’ve actually got a video showing how long it can take. It can be annoying if you rely solely on public charging instead of home charging. And you’ve got to be prepared for those road trips!
I have a new KIA Niro EV. Drove it 2 weeks before needing a charge. Hyundai/KIA/Genesis has free EA service so I drove to my nearest EV Charger and it did ramp up to 65 kW charging (KIA has a 64 kWh charging port). Went from 48% to 80% in 27 minutes! Today is 2 weeks later, down to 42% and my ChargePoint+ home Level 2 charger will be installed next Monday so I'll almost never need a public charger again unless I'm on a road trip.
Congrats, that’s big!
@@goneelectric Today, I visited a EVGo charger and in about 30 minutes, spent $15 and I stopped it at 62% (from 29%); needed enough juice in case I have an issue with my electrician's installation with my home charger.
May be helpful next time to display battery temp before,during, after charging. Still a helpful video.
It’s shown before and after, but not during. Appreciate the note, and glad you found it helpful!
Very pathetic.....
I have a Hummer EV SUV. Level 1 is a waste of time. 1 mile per hour. Level 2 hardwire gets me about 18 miles per hour. Never used a public charger and hopefully never have to. Too much hassle. I get about 290 miles at 80%. More than adequate for daily use.
Agree- you have an easy case for installing L2
very helpful video for 1st time EV owners, thank you!
Thanks, you’re welcome!
Looks the charge met the 80% limit preset by the car. Not a charger issue.
Level 1 😂 what if you have to go to the hospital in the middle of the night
Maintaining a SOC of at least 50% is critical for emergencies, which means some folks may not be able to subsist on L1 alone, or at all.
Have you gotten the update for plug and charge? I had 4 stops from Southern California to the pnw and initializing the charge was easy and flawless.
Unfortunately, mine doesn’t qualify for plug and charge. Glad it’s working for you!
You weren't going to get the higher charging speed at Chargepoint since you started above 20%. As you saw, you get the highest DC charging speed when you start at 20% or below for ID.4s. I realize you had time constraints but that's an important factor for people to take into consideration.
6 years charging on level one. It adds up. 60 miles a night x 350 nights a year = 21,000 miles a year at super low off peak rates. Supplement when necessary with the Tesla Supercharger Network. 😊
Can’t believe I watched this entire video, doesn’t even make sense to leave a car charging for a few days
I wonder, what is your worry about charging “issues” related to less than rated charging levels? Not much can be done except trying a different charger.
More of an interest than a worry. Helps understand how EV batteries work, and over the long term, it can be used to monitor battery health.
My first EV charge (Bolt EUV) was at that exact EA station at the Vons in Seal Beach in July 2023. I had about 50% state of charge but wasn't sure if a charge would be successful so I didn't want to let it get any lower. Nine months later, all the charging anxiety I had buying the car is gone. Totally dependent on public charging. Rarely had an issue charging, and where I did, there's another charger not too far away.
That’s great to hear! Reflects my experience as well. We do have issues on the road occasionally, but experience in troubleshooting builds confidence.
Great video on electrify America. I am with Cennox a national company that does repairs installation and turnkey solutions. I would like to get a hold of you to maybe partner so if you could please respond and we could exchange emails. Thank you. Max my name is Max as well.
Hi Max. You can find my email address under the 'About' section of my KZread page. Appreciate your interest.
Level one charging is so much better for your battery in the long run then level two if it works for you
L2 charging is essentially the same as L1 in terms of battery wear. It is L3 DC fast charging that is hard on the battery, although even then it’s not as bad as it is often made out to be. Charging beyond the 10-80% range is harder on the battery. We’ve been charging exclusively on an L2 for 2.5 years, and the battery capacity hasn’t changed. Being able to fully charge in 10 hours instead of 36 is hugely important for us, as our daily trips tends to be fairly lengthy.
No
I thought depending on your EV model is how much KW is pulled ,, in other words the car tells the charger how much power to give you not the charger ..
Congratulations on the trash can!! We don’t have any in my area!!
Maybe someday you’ll have one too…
I have a 2024 Volvo c40. I was at 51 % charge. I charged to 90% my credit card was charged $30.. that's ridiculous
Thanks for the info
You got it.
Thank you for doing this video: If you still look at old comments: I just want to say a few things: # 1) Does the comparison between these providers vary on what's best for an EV owner based on where you live ? #2) Does the comparsion between these providers vary on what's best for you dependin on the make and model of your EV? for example, maybe Electrify America's programs is better suited for Nissan Leaf's or Chevy Bolt's, etc. etc...
You’re welcome! They are all similar in terms of what they provide for your EV. The biggest thing for you to track is the max speed of the charger (50kw, 100kw, 350kw etc), because each EV has a different max rate they can accommodate.
@@goneelectric So speaking of charging, here is something I wonder about, and so do a lot of people but we could use some exact measuremens on if possible and that is this: ? What is say the exact amout of battey degradation that would occur to an EV's motor if say you were to DC Level 3 fast charge the motor, we'll say 25% of an annual 10K miles ? (for say 4 years?)
In Europe there are millions of apartments without garages.... you need to think again
Did you pay the annual fee for all of the functionality that you displayed?
I had not upgraded to premium when I shot this video. I did later though because they ended up limiting the non-premium version’s functionality. Was about $6/year. Well worth it IMO.
At first I was all ready to install a l2 but l1 is working so why bother. I have fast chargers in the area if needed.
Our situation is similar.
Can someone go into the cheapest way to get a 60 AMP 220 circuit into a residence ? The 2022 Chevy Bolts can take advantage of a 60 AMP circuit which can fully charge from empty to 100% in apx 7 hours, but others have said it's rare for even modern homes to have this type of circuit AMPS:
Level 1 at 240 volts in Portugal gives a charge rate of 2.5kw. With solar panels and home battery, once that battery is full I plug the car in and get free power. This works for 6-8 months, and the rest of the year I plug in overnight. Much better than spending $1000 on a Wall box.