Apple need to launch an 8"-9" handheld. Imagine the M4 chip powering an OLED handheld gaming console! holy hell. It would be able to play games at the highest quality, and allow for 24 hour play-time on a single charge. In the meantime I think i'll be getting an Ally X.
@zork21912 сағат бұрын
I don't understand this logic. Tech bloggers were saying don't buy rtx 2080 wait for next generation and crypto mining thing happened and people like me ended up using rx 470 4gb for 3 more years. I say don't buy ally x if you already have Ally, do not need sd card and you ALWAYS play on your couch
@timetoshine275215 сағат бұрын
Is this Video Stil up to date ?
@WinDeckTech12 сағат бұрын
Yes 5-6gb of vram is still your best bet for most situations
@genio531118 сағат бұрын
Pointless video, you might as well wait until 2030 when we will finally get 4060 performance APUs...The new AMD Strix Point APU with rdna 3.5 are not as good as you think, they will be an improvement compared to Z1e but only at higher TDPs, that's why no one is using them, besides the Ally even the Zotac Zone was announced with Z1e, and that's coming in September, that means AMD doesn't have a good successor to the Z1e yet for that 10W to 25W TDP range. Maybe next year we will get something better, but as i said if we keep waiting the things coming next year we might wait forever at that point. To me 2x battery life, 24gb of faster ram, 2 type c ports and better controller and cooling system ara a worth upgrade coming from the OG Ally, and it will be a pretty great device until Ally 2 in summer/fall 2025 with hopefully some new meaningful AMD processor
@Wolf_HunteR3703Күн бұрын
What if the person who don't have a Rog ally.. Buy is Worth it right..?
@WinDeckTech12 сағат бұрын
I'd say yes, unless you value a good deal more, and can snag the OG on an open box or market place deal. I have seen them as low as 250 at best buy. But, if you don't have one already and are okay paying full price, I would say yes it is a worthwhile purchase
@Wolf_HunteR370311 сағат бұрын
@@WinDeckTech I really looking forward for this Ally x..I can't plaay with my brother Laptop, a lot of lag But idk if this will be available in India also the Price is so high, i have to make some to buy this rog ally x...
@gloryholdofficialКүн бұрын
Dbrand has the Rog ally x case for preorder now and you under sale the ram bump for raw fps 10 percent isn’t big but the major stutters will completely disappear at least the ones caused by ram starving that’s a massive improvement
@WinDeckTech12 сағат бұрын
Most games won't experience that, however. In games where they are starving for ram yes it will improve. You can mimick the behavior obviously by dropping it down to something dumb like 1gb or 2gb vram but to be honest I find the games that eat vram and require more than 6gb are few and far between. One of the few titles I can find (at least that I own and play) are the recent Gears releases on PC and some other "bespoke" UE4 titles. Another example of needing vram and sys ram would be Diablo 4 as iirc the ultra or high settings require or heavily recommend 32gb of sys ram and I think at least 12gb of vram? That would be a perfect example of the stuttering felt with the texture resolution being set too high, but at the same time you absolutely do not need 4k quality assets in a 7 inch form factor which is typically running upscaling of some sort. I truly do believe the bigger benefit of having the higher RAM cap is still to just be able to set and forget at 8gb vram, which in turn would lead to smoother experiences when actually needed but not negatively retracting from performance when not required.
@dianamouragКүн бұрын
Did you try in nintendo switch? Which hub did you use in that case?
@yohaydn8489Күн бұрын
Does this still work?
@pablieto-vegansonКүн бұрын
i love the steam deck oled, but i there are 2 games i would like to play that i can't and that is helldivers 2 and bodycam. but i'm willing to wait a couple years for the steam deck 2. i'm now so used to having those 4 buttons on the back for jumping/running/action button/crouching/special ability and stuff like that, so i don't have to let go of the joysticks, and using gyro for aiming in fps and 3rd person action games. but i generally play older games. and intersting indie stuff, or double a. so the steam deck is a great fit for me personally. but i would maybe o for a windows device if the performance to price ratio is alluring, but windows on a handheld seems like alot of extra work with updates and all. and windows becoming more and more like spyware with each version, i think linux is the future of personal pc's.
@HitmonD2 күн бұрын
Id say it worth trading it in and paying the difference for a more polished version with better aesthetics
@cs-ge5kx2 күн бұрын
Steam deck oled all the way
@kaletsugas2 күн бұрын
Thanks for the review, I also appreciate you putting the game titles on the corner as you demo.
@Slider933 күн бұрын
If next gen is 40% upgrade, it would bring a massive improvement in fps. Going from 40 fps on low to say 55-60 will make a noticable difference. Also the jump from 6400-7500 ram to 8533 and capacity from 16 to 24 is a big deal. I think a lot about this though because I don't play most new games so that might not be enough for 2x the price
@undisturbed8093 күн бұрын
I have the XG Mobile so the ROG ally x is useless to me not having the xg mobile port
@WinDeckTech3 күн бұрын
Yup, I still have my 3080, and is now essentially my wife's gaming setup. Granted TB is easier but those that have xg's are on ice. I fully expect this to be the last time we see the XG unfortunately.. prices will drop
@undisturbed8093 күн бұрын
@@WinDeckTech price might go up due to how rear the xg mobile is also.
@debacle82874 күн бұрын
already pre ordered, sorry lol😊
@WinDeckTech3 күн бұрын
Haha no worries!! May I ask if you had the OG Ally or if this will be your first? Genuinely curious about people's upgrade reasons. :)
@vathsan4u4 күн бұрын
Looking to connect to Xbox/PlayStation... Is there any lag with gaming?
@dumbzero4 күн бұрын
this year and next one are going to be really good for handheld PC gaming
@WinDeckTech3 күн бұрын
Absolutely. I'm still rooting for the MSI Claw refresh however, I really really want them to succeed (intel)
@pablieto-vegansonКүн бұрын
@@WinDeckTech nah the intel chips just aren't as effecient and don't deliver as much performance for the same TDP. from what i've seen it's only at the highest power draw (30 TDP or higher) that the intel chips sometimes outperform AMD.
@austintse57194 күн бұрын
I want to upgrade to the Ally X because of the increase in battery life. My Ally is slowly getting less and less battery life. The increase in memory and speed is nice but not important unless I am modding games. The big improvement over my Ally is the 2280 SSD. I can put a 4 TB in there and they're less expensive per TB than 2230 SSD. P.s. Big 👍 for helping the doggo's.
@WinDeckTech4 күн бұрын
Yeah it's one of those things that's sure there are a lot of good upgrades for it, and for those people that weren't impressed by the og's life etc, this will be a good upgrade for them. Do you dabble in egpu? Or would you be more interested in checking it out now that there is tb4? The ram would be a nice help with that. 2280 is a big get and I can only.hope that all mfgs fit them in their devices. If the ayaneo air 1 s could do it in a much smaller chassis. There was no reason for the og ally to have a shorter one
@VI5HКүн бұрын
You could have bought a $15 90degree adapter and put a 2280 ssd in the Ally. Granted 2280 slot and usb4 should have been default in Ally . The X should have been what the Ally was in the first place but it also goes to show how quickly competition can make a company upgrade its product to keep up .....unless you're called Apple and can keep selling crap to your customers regardless.
@Afeeq10114 күн бұрын
start to notice the pc handheld scenes is slowly becoming like the smartphone scene. You hold off hoping for the next best thing only to buy it before ANOTHER next best thing is recently announced. So far my research lead to ROG ally being the more bang for buck for what it offers but luckily Asus announces the Ally X, unless by December we have another pc handheld that's better than the Ally X in terms of RAM and Battery size, I am inclined with the Ally X
@StopJerkingOff4 күн бұрын
I’m all for it, the original Ally is more than good enough for most people. Tons of people are willing to wait to get a better offer on an older device that’s good enough. Before the X got announced a used Ally with extreme chip was going for around 500-600 for a used good condition one but after being announced I saw a lot going for 400-450 on excellent condition. I managed to get my brother one for 350$ and it only had a few scratches here and there and I was a bit envious since I paid 650$ for mine even with a discount but then I realize how much I enjoy mine and think it’s worth every single dollar so just imagine how happy my brother is with the deal he got.
@WinDeckTech4 күн бұрын
I have seen fair condition ones on US Best Buy going for sub 300. Like you said these new devices are great for people who want them and even better for people who waited because now they can pick up a super cheap but super great device (og Rog)
@WinDeckTech4 күн бұрын
I don't think we will see major revisions except for the msi claw and the new versions of 8840u handhelds this year.
@jeffbwilliams234 күн бұрын
So in your opinion , the ally x will have roughly the same performance as the LeGo?
@JOConnor61854 күн бұрын
Bro the regular ally z1 extreme has better performance than the LeGo. There are countless videos showing this. The only thing the Lego is better at is screen and battery
@WinDeckTech4 күн бұрын
Not as of late
@WinDeckTech4 күн бұрын
I would say that it will perform more in line with it, with it being more stable in vram heavy games which will be fee and far between. It will not obliterate ally x or Legion Go though. It may end up beating the Legion in some titles but in others it should be mostly the same due to ram speed
@TRX25EX4 күн бұрын
You missing the point 890M is not good enough, the 16CU variant need 45W minimum so can't be used in Handheld, the 12CU is slightly better, so AMD and others will skip over 9000 gen anyway, so you will be stuck with expensive Chinese brands only. It's only Lunar lake that will get proper new gen performance which is coming to MSI Claw, Ally biggest weakness wasn't more performance but more battery and that's fixed. So no if you want handheld go for Ally X or wait for new MSI Claw
@WinDeckTech4 күн бұрын
That is false, it has been confirmed to have a base* of 28w tdp but a config of 15-54w *edit sp very similar to current gen they do not need 45 min
@TRX25EX4 күн бұрын
@@WinDeckTech Bro Z1E have a base of 9W and still need at least 20W to show it's power, what matters is the designed TDP and it's made to work on machines aimed at 45W+, so laptops + Tablets, only Handheld reached this level is Aya Neo Kun. 16CU won't make it on mainstream handhelds, only big and expensive Chinese ones will do, not a bad thing but battery life + fan noise is big concern with that much power
@WinDeckTech4 күн бұрын
@TRX25EX yeah and how useful is that. Base? Reason why they upped ti to 13 min for the x. They'll likely make a z2e base off the new gpus and that's how they'll get their 13-28 or whatever people claim to paly their ally at when we all know 15 is the minimum realistically unless playing super light titles. Edit: as well, noted much by everyone else gpu performance is negligible past 28w. As posted in the video cards article and referenced. So...your point, get to it?
@TRX25EX4 күн бұрын
@@WinDeckTech Z2E won't use 800 series iGPU, it will skip this gen due to negligible benefit in doing so, they will go for 900 series of IGPU.... 12 CU is not much greater than 12CU of 780M, and 16 CU as I mentioned need power and alot more power, Z1 beats Z1E at 10W due to same reason, these iGPU have minimum power requirement to become usable and 16CU can't be usable at 15W or 20W which these handhelds use So that's definitely out of question, the new 880M and 890M are not much more efficient they just add more performance at more power requirements, they are made to be used in laptops than hand-helds
@WinDeckTech4 күн бұрын
And you have exclusive insider knowledge of this? No where does it state that these chips were designed for 54 or 48 wattage whatever you claim it to be. The 7840u chips are the e act same in that they go in general purpose laptops and thin and lights. They get their tdp dictated by the mfg. You'll still get plenty of power our of a 28w 16cu chip. The 12 cu is a nice option and a minor improvement over the 780m however much like the z1 and z1e I fully expect to see similar considerations. And after the poor sales of the z1 chips they'll likely not cut them down that much again unless big improvements are made to low end tdp performance. Ally 2 or whatever the next gen chips will be will not skip and keep the 780 I'm sure.
@datazen9365 күн бұрын
It only worth $699
@thegrapevine105 күн бұрын
I sold my ROG ally to get the X, but im rethinking it right now, they didn't slap an oculink port. I'd be pretty much stuck waiting until Thunderbolt 5 rolls out, so i can strap a decent egpu.
@WinDeckTech5 күн бұрын
The one thing that xg has over Oculink is that you can hot plug it, not as seamlessly as thunderbolt, but you don't need to power it down still. Gpd has been working on Hotplug, but you need to go with gpd... Also, remember the ally will bottleneck hard with a good GPU depending on the title. On my Legion I regularly can't get over 60 fps in Palworld with an egpu just due to the CPU overhead of the game, on a dedicated server. I think if you do want super easy hot plug-and-play, tb4 on the ally x is still a nice but limiting option, at least you can get more variety/power considerations. Another person had mentioned they hook up their 1080ti to their Lego which I think would be an awesome combo.
@thegrapevine105 күн бұрын
@WinDeckTech they make a m.2 oculink adapter, but you lose the memory slot. When you say i need to go GDP, do you mean an egpu or the actual handheld console? I've checked out the GDP, but i don't know, seems sketchy cause it's Chinese independent company. And is the 40gbps transfer speed on the thunderbolt 4 fast enough to enjoy gameplay?
@shaolin955 күн бұрын
Blah blah blah you dont have it so this is just blah blah blah
@WinDeckTech5 күн бұрын
I mean, my testing is in line with what ltt was saying (5-10%) versus the ally x and og. This was quite heavily replicated with the Legion Go vs Rog charts I shared as well. This, in my humble opinion, is due more to the RAM speed difference, not the capacity (which is a major focus point for some) battery life is an absolute godsend and this cannot be argued. However, I believe my point still holds of the device not being a gamechanger vs the OG. Thank you for the comment :)
@PapaZigg5 күн бұрын
I have sd oled. Cant lie the ally x is tempting. But i think i'll wait for true next gen. Ally 2 or sd 2
@WinDeckTech5 күн бұрын
Honestly, unless I'm seated with my wife with a charger. The SD OLED is my go-to on the go and even at home as well for most games I play that are not super high-end modern releases. Still a great handheld and smart for Valve to iterate on it how they did.
@davidmason84975 күн бұрын
I see I no sure I buy with ally x or no I just buy with legion go and just wait with ally 2
@WinDeckTech5 күн бұрын
If you have the OG ally, stick with it. Great device. The Go is also a fantastic device as well, both have issues but have been worked on over time. If going into it without any device, you'll have to weigh those options. I'd say waiting for the next gen of chips will be the move though if you have either the Lego or ally currently.
@designgears5 күн бұрын
Based on AMD withholding the tdp range this chip is likely going to be too power hungry for a handheld.
@WinDeckTech5 күн бұрын
It should be the same, they've advertised a max of 28 or default. But unlockers should still work but with the range going up to 54 I believe it was? They did say 15-54 but again you should be able to configure it lower or the mfgs will include it.
@YelNatSttocS5 күн бұрын
Totally agree. Instead of getting x, I decided to get xgm 3080. Now I have a super ally. :).
@WinDeckTech5 күн бұрын
How's the bank account :( lol Seriously though, how's the pricing these days, did you get one off a local marketplace sale?
@YelNatSttocS5 күн бұрын
@@WinDeckTech yes. Like new condition worth $900.
@YelNatSttocS5 күн бұрын
@@WinDeckTech now my bank account is zero balance. :)
@nguyenhuu65595 күн бұрын
Please open your mouth when you have one.
@WinDeckTech5 күн бұрын
Ok, it'll be rather hard to do my daily living going mute until then, but if taking a vow of silence works for the monks, I guess it's good enough for me. For real though... performance Will not be miles better suddenly because of the existence of more RAM. It will be lauded while the real reason will be veiled. The only thing the Ally has going for it is the dual USB C, faster charging (with still a 65w in the box..), and battery life. Grab a 100w capable battery pack and it will be infinitely more beneficial than spending another 899 plus tax (over 1k CAD before tax) for "triple" (double and a bit) the life on the X. I'm not against the Ally X, but I think they missed the mark on what consumers wanted in a pro-style device. At least give us a charger in the box that's capable of giving a full cap charge. IMO there are more reasons not to get the Ally X than for. If you don't have a handheld already, I'd say grab a cheap OG Ally and enjoy the benefit of a still great device for what it is. Software updates keep coming and improving that experience. Warranty work, however, eh? Even with the m.2 2280 on the x, people are going to dump the 1 TB and throw in a 4 TB at an increased cost vs even what was paid for the smaller ones found. Memory/storage pricing is insane these days. Granted that's a one-time investment but costly.
@BarelyAverageDude5 күн бұрын
If you solve for x the new Ally is 1.4
@zaids-mw7ds5 күн бұрын
Share the full equation? 😂
@WinDeckTech5 күн бұрын
If Ally = 1 And OLED Ally=2 Then X must be =to clown Where he got the 1.4 from I think is the amount of hours you need to play before you realize you made a big mistake. /s
@BarelyAverageDude5 күн бұрын
@@zaids-mw7ds (price of AllyX minus the size of the Ally battery in Watt hrs) divided by (the release month minus the release date divided by the new Ally battery) equals the price of the Ally 1.0 *(799x - 40) / (7-22 / 80) = 599*
@Gaming_for_insight5 күн бұрын
Great information in the video and it is good to understand the points brought up before considering whether the ally x is right for you. We have tackled this very debate on the podcast so it is refreshing to have these points here in another video that you have made for us. The refreshes for these handhelds or next models within the series line are happening more frequently. In less than months there is talk already about the next one coming. The span between June 2023 and the present in 2024 has shown that for us. The challenge has been for Asus to release an updated handheld while keeping the price below that of a luxury handheld, which are a little more approximately than $1,000 depending on specs. You make the analogy that handhelds are releasing like new iPhones and yeah I do see the meaning in that. Some companies too even more frequently than one a year. Keep on keepin’ on WinDeckTech!
@WinDeckTech5 күн бұрын
I don't mind the tick-tock style of upgrading "reg vs s" mods. But, I do think these handheld manufacturers (everyone not just asus) are headed fast towards oversaturation. Much like how phone makers saw declines in sales over the past few years (when phones started to regularly be 1k plus) I fully expect for people to get burnt out of handhelds and "this one versus this one". At some point we just need to enjoy what we have, so we can play some damn games haha. But, I guess it's never bad to have options
@Gaming_for_insight5 күн бұрын
@@WinDeckTechI agree. People can easily get overwhelmed trying to make sure to get the right one for them. The overlap with the hardware is high and the software is a known distinction too as you know and we have talked about on the podcast.
@Blind-Matter5 күн бұрын
I will be selling my Ally for an X. For me I always wanted more memory and a usb4 slot for my old 1080ti, so this will be a purchase for me.
@WinDeckTech5 күн бұрын
I hope you enjoy it!! 1080ti is the real GOAT of that story! Should make for a great tv dock experience
@Blind-Matter5 күн бұрын
@@WinDeckTech Absolutely, I'm looking forward to checking it out.
@johnlopez58555 күн бұрын
Same boat 🎉👍🏼
@rogeryombouno97864 күн бұрын
i will buy too for the color especially
@Anomaly666662 күн бұрын
How do you use a 1080ti with ally?
@vincentgagnon85695 күн бұрын
Using my Steam Deck since release made me realize what my dream PC would be. A windows on ARM (Snapdragon) OLED tablet that can play games with top of the line integrated GPU, a sandwich controller and a connection fast enough (usb 4 probably) to use an external GPU. May be in 5 years, it is gonna exist.
@WinDeckTech5 күн бұрын
Really really hoping for snapdragon/arm on windows to take off. The early laptop systems seem very very promising
@pablieto-vegansonКүн бұрын
kind ofagree but for me it would be linux. but then again i only game and browse the web. but windows now with co pilot seems to become like spyware more and more. and the telemitry running in the background. ads in your home windows menu. i think windowsis becoming a data mining company first, and software company second.
@vincentgagnon8569Күн бұрын
@@pablieto-veganson I see your point but Linux for me is flawed in too many areas namely: -Modding games is a nightmare, -Streaming services hate Linux, - Anti-Cheat compatibility is inconsistent.
@pablieto-vegansonКүн бұрын
@@vincentgagnon8569 i think with the mods thing, if linux becomes alot more popular because of proton with the steam deck i think there will be a growing community for the modding scene.
@tclark54815 күн бұрын
I have the Ally and I'm not upgrading to the X. Right now, I feel that there are too many compromises in the handheld market. The Ally is good, as is the Steam Deck and Legion Go, but you are giving up a lot for portability. For me, It's not worth it. And I say that as someone where cost isn't a factor. The overall performance, the amount of tweaking that has to be done is more than I want to be doing. So, for me, I'm likely to get a new laptop and sell the old Ally. I was hopeful that the XG gpus would come down in price, but now with ASUS seemingly moving away from that I don't see how I can get more out of my Ally without spending way too much for the XG. For the same $3K for the Ally, XG and accessories I can get a nice 4080 laptop which will cover my needs better.
@WinDeckTech5 күн бұрын
Yeah that is the real unfortunate truth of the XG system, i believe they are going to move fully away from it, as evident by the Ally X. Be curious to see if the Flow lineup of laptops change as well. I think the Ally OG on sale price right now at best buy open box is legit though if you dont have a handheld.
@tclark54815 күн бұрын
@@WinDeckTech Sure, there will be deals on OG Allys, and maybe from me. LOL. I do think you have to really want to be mobile otherwise, I'm not sure any handheld is worth it right now.
@Darkstartsb5 күн бұрын
Ally x definitely not worth in imo im waiting for something amazing to come out before i get another handheld
@WinDeckTech5 күн бұрын
Truer words have never been spoken
@pablieto-vegansonКүн бұрын
i think it's awesome there's so much comepetition. i have the oled deck. but valve really needs to release steam os, so other handhelds can use it. i generally play older games and indie games or double a type stuff. but i will absolutely no play any game under 40 fps. and i would like to play helldivers 2 and bodycam. but i will wait for the steam deck 2 or something else awesome.
@WuFluChan5 күн бұрын
That zotac one looks great minus the screen only 7in and them being too late and not just waiting on 3.5, if this those dials can control tdp and fan speed that would be amazing. I really like the what xpg is doing but it’s ugly af and I think only 7” too. What I really want is pretty much the oxp x1 mini with the new chip but made by a company with better support. In conclusion 😂 my dream handheld would be a 8” plus screen (oled even better), detachable controllers and keyboard attachment and camm2 (or at least a sodimm slot) and at least a 65wh battery, wide kickstand and those zotac dials would be nice too lol
@WinDeckTech5 күн бұрын
Totally get the wanting a oxp without the onex lmfao. 100% I'm totally stoked for the dials on the zotac, it's one of those things that seems like a simple idea/thought* but will be a gamechanger. I'd be surprised if we couldn't control all dial type functions on the device (brightness, volume, tdp) im sure there will be other uses for sure. But this will be the kick off of the copycat era haha, if others don't start doing stuff like that, they are at a big disadvantage. Xpg looks ugly AF but also looks super comfy haha.. also, am I the only one that thinks thr zotac looks a bit like a batwing? *edit typo
@WuFluChan5 күн бұрын
@@WinDeckTechlol I actually love the batwing look of the zotac I was really excited for it but I was needing something I could use as a tablet and little laptop so I bought a used oxp2 since they are pretty cheap, wasn’t planning on using it for any gaming but once I used that 8.4in screen I just can’t play on my ally anymore even though it’s more powerful. Maybe I would be fine with a 16:10 7in but 16:9 7in is just to small and that’s even with booting into playnite and never messing with windows
@WuFluChan4 күн бұрын
@@WinDeckTechgot word from a very credible source that oxp with 890m will be oct/nov
@WinDeckTech4 күн бұрын
@WuFluChan sorry!! Missed the initial reply but that's very, very good news :) I do love the oxp devices and what they have going but still like you said they crave better support. Will be very interesting to see the new igpus in action
@WuFluChan4 күн бұрын
@@WinDeckTechyeah I’m just glad to actually have a time frame now. The x1 mini does meet the criteria for pretty much everything I want from a handheld so if nothing else better comes along I just might go for it. I personally don’t mind getting my updates from pinned discord comments lol but at these prices that’s just unacceptable and to expect that from the average user is crazy. I mean if you can’t spend a day making a better update page atleast make the updates available on Reddit too lol
@GameplayTubeYT5 күн бұрын
I doubt they gonna use the actual 880 or 890m chip the reason why they modify 780m to Z1 is to reduce cost!!! If they don't modify it then prepare for $1000 Handheld together with those UNecessary features like OLED screen!!! I'm just gonna buy Gaming Loptop or Build a Gaming PC than a $1000 Handheld
@WinDeckTech5 күн бұрын
I already pay over 1k cad for my handhelds :( the laptop v handheld argument is always an interesting one to be sure. But at the same time, other mfgs such as gpd and ayaneo have been able to offer the 7840u and 8840u at very compelling/competing prices.
@GameplayTubeYT5 күн бұрын
@@WinDeckTech those are Chinese Company they have a Lot's of option to Cut cost like Subsidy and other fishy stuff!!!
@agent47isn15 күн бұрын
Those are also power hungry as well so we'd be right back to having short battery life
@Drivenby4 күн бұрын
I don’t know why we assume there will be a stripped z2 chip as well lol
@pablieto-vegansonКүн бұрын
if the pice is better than a gaming laptop might be the best option for you. but i just love gaming with a hand held on the bed in the evening, and then watching some videos with a redlight filter and i can still fall asleep no problem.
@85crazytechlaz5 күн бұрын
I wouldn't purchase this item due to the fact that it only has a couple of things upgraded on it it's not that serious The screen is still small as hell I rather stick with my legion go and the old Ally
@WinDeckTech5 күн бұрын
Same here honestly. The ally is now my wife's device and I daily the SD oled and Legion Go
@85crazytechlaz5 күн бұрын
@@WinDeckTech that's the way to go man 👍
@pricannyc305 күн бұрын
Not being able to use my xg mobile with the rog ally x sealed the deal for me
@WinDeckTech5 күн бұрын
I completely forgot to mention that because I'm sure it will be decisive because there are people like us who have the xg but then for everyone else I'm sure they're happy to see the more affordable egpu options via tb, albeit at bandwidth cost
@BouncingZeus5 күн бұрын
They did it because most people hated it and the cost.
@volcalstone5 күн бұрын
This and not having a larger screen option as well.
@gamers-generation5 күн бұрын
No Dock, NO DEAL.
@WinDeckTech5 күн бұрын
There is an ally package deal on ebay with a Dock;)
@djhighfly5 күн бұрын
thank you for the informations! there are many things that can be improved, like a kickstand, at least 8 inch screen etc. i cant wait how the msi claw 8 with the new intel chip will compare to the amd handhelds
@WinDeckTech5 күн бұрын
All handhelds NEED a kickstand!!
@kristjankerec29247 күн бұрын
I've tried this with windows and it works, but I have noticed strange behaviour. I have set PPT slow and fast to 17w, which works but under load it spikes to 25w and overheats in a second. I used HW monitor for monitoring this. Setting PPT to any other value has same problem.
@WinDeckTech5 күн бұрын
How is your fan settings?
@kristjankerec29245 күн бұрын
@@WinDeckTechFan profile is windows default with external chip that lowers fan speed by 2x but I do have a custom 60x60x20mm heatsink with a larger fan from nvidia A2000 graphics card. At 15w TDP it averages 75°c @2800rpm and max 84°c in games.
@kristjankerec29245 күн бұрын
This is with 3,8Ghz on CPU and 1900mhz on GPU
@WinDeckTech5 күн бұрын
That is really weird. Have you tried turning cpu boost on/off. Worse perf will happen with it off Edit: Unsure of the thermal throttling though. Have you check all cpu cores via hwinfo?
@kristjankerec29245 күн бұрын
After some testing I found the problem. I have disabled Package power throttler in bios which caused the deck to ignore my TDP settings. I returned this setting to auto and now it works
@phobosanomaly53838 күн бұрын
Crazy how you can get 60fps too with most the settings turned a little lower
@sand20259 күн бұрын
The screen is what makes thr Lego a win for me. Wish there was some type of middle ground. 120 vrr 8 inch screen, ally x battery, non removable controllers and a kickstand would be perfect to me.
@WinDeckTech9 күн бұрын
I personally would enjoy a more slimline Lego as well. Portrait based 8 inch screen. I'm in the hardly ever use fps mode camp. Unfortunately the rumours/leaks from Legion Go and it's next model are going to be more of a lite version than a proper iteration.
@Cenkolino8 күн бұрын
@@WinDeckTech Yeah I have the Legion Go as well and its screen is nice and all, but in retrospect I would have definitely preferred a 16:9 format and VRR. VRR is a HUGE factor in such a device and even at high framtes the Legion Go never truly feels smooth. Even at 60+ frames its choppy. Especially for someone like me, who has a VRR QD-OLED and is used to the buttery smooth motion it delivers. VRR is not just helpful for lower framerates. Thats the big misconception.
@Russiangamerpro20219 күн бұрын
I like EGPU because using as a dock to plug-in directly to external graphic card directly to the Lenovo Legion go because it’s better because you can plug-in somewhere to your handheld and get more performance that’s why I like Thunderbolt because It’s better
@WinDeckTech9 күн бұрын
Absolutely, was just playing palworld with my wife, hooked up to my onexgpu on the couch with her. Definitely awesome to utilize the 1600p 144 screen fully. Obviously there's a perf degradation when using the the built in display but it's still enjoyable to me.
@riccia8889 күн бұрын
Whats the point of buying anbernic if they keep on changing hardware every 6 months. It should be the one and only classic retro handneld not unlimitted iterations.
@WinDeckTech5 күн бұрын
To buy more!
@gamers-generation9 күн бұрын
UPERFECT is the perfect feeling monitor!... is what I'd probably say if i actually knew first hand. 😂😂😂
@WinDeckTech9 күн бұрын
Hey, maybe U just not so Perfect... sorry😅
@Gaming_for_insight9 күн бұрын
Great video for getting to see some gameplay and benchmarks with the uperfect monitor. Thanks for sharing this one! I enjoy using my Lenovo Legion Go on my separate display.
@WinDeckTech9 күн бұрын
Link to GFI's FPS MODE OPTIMIZATIONS kzread.info/dash/bejne/h5ensJiqZbirc9o.html FPS mode ftw. If only I could figure out a control scheme that works across the board haha. Embarrassing amount of time was spent getting the CP FPS footage because I couldn't get out of my car lol.
@Gaming_for_insight9 күн бұрын
@@WinDeckTech not sure if this is intentionally setup by you to say, but are you aware of my Ultimate FPS Mode segment on my channel? My latest video was on Cyberpunk 2077 and a recommended control layout to use with the game in using FPS mode on the Lenovo Legion Go. I mention one of your videos as well to recommend to users to side load the needed graphics driver so to use the gaming handheld with the One X Player eGPU.
@WinDeckTech9 күн бұрын
@Gaming_for_insight oh I am indeed ;) haha I just rarely ever use fps mode and hate messing my controls across cloud saves haha
@kewlztertc538610 күн бұрын
Mumble mouth
@blazini10 күн бұрын
Using multiple layers of copper with thermal paste in between each is a terrible idea. Thermal past doesn't actually transfer heat well, it's just alot better than the voids of air that would be present between the cooler base and the CPU heat spreader. If the height of the cooler plate was wrong it's trash, it's not even worth doing a review cuz the product may otherwise be good if fixed, it will never be good like this.
@WinDeckTech9 күн бұрын
No and that was the point if this video. It "can" work but it was fubar from the beginning by design. Apparently V2 is better although I've not gotten around to testing it yet. Still sitting in it's box. The one thing that I will say is a "plus" of the monblock is that it does indeed cause the fans to not as high of an RPM howver the flip side of that is the monoblock itself gets quite warm from the heat spread. I'm going to be working on an all backplate test for the ally then revisit the steam deck with the v2 to see if there were any improvements or, if even possible, more regressions haha. Thank you for your input and insight. I'm also going to be getting some thermal putty just to see if there is a major difference one way pr the other with that.
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Apple need to launch an 8"-9" handheld. Imagine the M4 chip powering an OLED handheld gaming console! holy hell. It would be able to play games at the highest quality, and allow for 24 hour play-time on a single charge. In the meantime I think i'll be getting an Ally X.
I don't understand this logic. Tech bloggers were saying don't buy rtx 2080 wait for next generation and crypto mining thing happened and people like me ended up using rx 470 4gb for 3 more years. I say don't buy ally x if you already have Ally, do not need sd card and you ALWAYS play on your couch
Is this Video Stil up to date ?
Yes 5-6gb of vram is still your best bet for most situations
Pointless video, you might as well wait until 2030 when we will finally get 4060 performance APUs...The new AMD Strix Point APU with rdna 3.5 are not as good as you think, they will be an improvement compared to Z1e but only at higher TDPs, that's why no one is using them, besides the Ally even the Zotac Zone was announced with Z1e, and that's coming in September, that means AMD doesn't have a good successor to the Z1e yet for that 10W to 25W TDP range. Maybe next year we will get something better, but as i said if we keep waiting the things coming next year we might wait forever at that point. To me 2x battery life, 24gb of faster ram, 2 type c ports and better controller and cooling system ara a worth upgrade coming from the OG Ally, and it will be a pretty great device until Ally 2 in summer/fall 2025 with hopefully some new meaningful AMD processor
What if the person who don't have a Rog ally.. Buy is Worth it right..?
I'd say yes, unless you value a good deal more, and can snag the OG on an open box or market place deal. I have seen them as low as 250 at best buy. But, if you don't have one already and are okay paying full price, I would say yes it is a worthwhile purchase
@@WinDeckTech I really looking forward for this Ally x..I can't plaay with my brother Laptop, a lot of lag But idk if this will be available in India also the Price is so high, i have to make some to buy this rog ally x...
Dbrand has the Rog ally x case for preorder now and you under sale the ram bump for raw fps 10 percent isn’t big but the major stutters will completely disappear at least the ones caused by ram starving that’s a massive improvement
Most games won't experience that, however. In games where they are starving for ram yes it will improve. You can mimick the behavior obviously by dropping it down to something dumb like 1gb or 2gb vram but to be honest I find the games that eat vram and require more than 6gb are few and far between. One of the few titles I can find (at least that I own and play) are the recent Gears releases on PC and some other "bespoke" UE4 titles. Another example of needing vram and sys ram would be Diablo 4 as iirc the ultra or high settings require or heavily recommend 32gb of sys ram and I think at least 12gb of vram? That would be a perfect example of the stuttering felt with the texture resolution being set too high, but at the same time you absolutely do not need 4k quality assets in a 7 inch form factor which is typically running upscaling of some sort. I truly do believe the bigger benefit of having the higher RAM cap is still to just be able to set and forget at 8gb vram, which in turn would lead to smoother experiences when actually needed but not negatively retracting from performance when not required.
Did you try in nintendo switch? Which hub did you use in that case?
Does this still work?
i love the steam deck oled, but i there are 2 games i would like to play that i can't and that is helldivers 2 and bodycam. but i'm willing to wait a couple years for the steam deck 2. i'm now so used to having those 4 buttons on the back for jumping/running/action button/crouching/special ability and stuff like that, so i don't have to let go of the joysticks, and using gyro for aiming in fps and 3rd person action games. but i generally play older games. and intersting indie stuff, or double a. so the steam deck is a great fit for me personally. but i would maybe o for a windows device if the performance to price ratio is alluring, but windows on a handheld seems like alot of extra work with updates and all. and windows becoming more and more like spyware with each version, i think linux is the future of personal pc's.
Id say it worth trading it in and paying the difference for a more polished version with better aesthetics
Steam deck oled all the way
Thanks for the review, I also appreciate you putting the game titles on the corner as you demo.
If next gen is 40% upgrade, it would bring a massive improvement in fps. Going from 40 fps on low to say 55-60 will make a noticable difference. Also the jump from 6400-7500 ram to 8533 and capacity from 16 to 24 is a big deal. I think a lot about this though because I don't play most new games so that might not be enough for 2x the price
I have the XG Mobile so the ROG ally x is useless to me not having the xg mobile port
Yup, I still have my 3080, and is now essentially my wife's gaming setup. Granted TB is easier but those that have xg's are on ice. I fully expect this to be the last time we see the XG unfortunately.. prices will drop
@@WinDeckTech price might go up due to how rear the xg mobile is also.
already pre ordered, sorry lol😊
Haha no worries!! May I ask if you had the OG Ally or if this will be your first? Genuinely curious about people's upgrade reasons. :)
Looking to connect to Xbox/PlayStation... Is there any lag with gaming?
this year and next one are going to be really good for handheld PC gaming
Absolutely. I'm still rooting for the MSI Claw refresh however, I really really want them to succeed (intel)
@@WinDeckTech nah the intel chips just aren't as effecient and don't deliver as much performance for the same TDP. from what i've seen it's only at the highest power draw (30 TDP or higher) that the intel chips sometimes outperform AMD.
I want to upgrade to the Ally X because of the increase in battery life. My Ally is slowly getting less and less battery life. The increase in memory and speed is nice but not important unless I am modding games. The big improvement over my Ally is the 2280 SSD. I can put a 4 TB in there and they're less expensive per TB than 2230 SSD. P.s. Big 👍 for helping the doggo's.
Yeah it's one of those things that's sure there are a lot of good upgrades for it, and for those people that weren't impressed by the og's life etc, this will be a good upgrade for them. Do you dabble in egpu? Or would you be more interested in checking it out now that there is tb4? The ram would be a nice help with that. 2280 is a big get and I can only.hope that all mfgs fit them in their devices. If the ayaneo air 1 s could do it in a much smaller chassis. There was no reason for the og ally to have a shorter one
You could have bought a $15 90degree adapter and put a 2280 ssd in the Ally. Granted 2280 slot and usb4 should have been default in Ally . The X should have been what the Ally was in the first place but it also goes to show how quickly competition can make a company upgrade its product to keep up .....unless you're called Apple and can keep selling crap to your customers regardless.
start to notice the pc handheld scenes is slowly becoming like the smartphone scene. You hold off hoping for the next best thing only to buy it before ANOTHER next best thing is recently announced. So far my research lead to ROG ally being the more bang for buck for what it offers but luckily Asus announces the Ally X, unless by December we have another pc handheld that's better than the Ally X in terms of RAM and Battery size, I am inclined with the Ally X
I’m all for it, the original Ally is more than good enough for most people. Tons of people are willing to wait to get a better offer on an older device that’s good enough. Before the X got announced a used Ally with extreme chip was going for around 500-600 for a used good condition one but after being announced I saw a lot going for 400-450 on excellent condition. I managed to get my brother one for 350$ and it only had a few scratches here and there and I was a bit envious since I paid 650$ for mine even with a discount but then I realize how much I enjoy mine and think it’s worth every single dollar so just imagine how happy my brother is with the deal he got.
I have seen fair condition ones on US Best Buy going for sub 300. Like you said these new devices are great for people who want them and even better for people who waited because now they can pick up a super cheap but super great device (og Rog)
I don't think we will see major revisions except for the msi claw and the new versions of 8840u handhelds this year.
So in your opinion , the ally x will have roughly the same performance as the LeGo?
Bro the regular ally z1 extreme has better performance than the LeGo. There are countless videos showing this. The only thing the Lego is better at is screen and battery
Not as of late
I would say that it will perform more in line with it, with it being more stable in vram heavy games which will be fee and far between. It will not obliterate ally x or Legion Go though. It may end up beating the Legion in some titles but in others it should be mostly the same due to ram speed
You missing the point 890M is not good enough, the 16CU variant need 45W minimum so can't be used in Handheld, the 12CU is slightly better, so AMD and others will skip over 9000 gen anyway, so you will be stuck with expensive Chinese brands only. It's only Lunar lake that will get proper new gen performance which is coming to MSI Claw, Ally biggest weakness wasn't more performance but more battery and that's fixed. So no if you want handheld go for Ally X or wait for new MSI Claw
That is false, it has been confirmed to have a base* of 28w tdp but a config of 15-54w *edit sp very similar to current gen they do not need 45 min
@@WinDeckTech Bro Z1E have a base of 9W and still need at least 20W to show it's power, what matters is the designed TDP and it's made to work on machines aimed at 45W+, so laptops + Tablets, only Handheld reached this level is Aya Neo Kun. 16CU won't make it on mainstream handhelds, only big and expensive Chinese ones will do, not a bad thing but battery life + fan noise is big concern with that much power
@TRX25EX yeah and how useful is that. Base? Reason why they upped ti to 13 min for the x. They'll likely make a z2e base off the new gpus and that's how they'll get their 13-28 or whatever people claim to paly their ally at when we all know 15 is the minimum realistically unless playing super light titles. Edit: as well, noted much by everyone else gpu performance is negligible past 28w. As posted in the video cards article and referenced. So...your point, get to it?
@@WinDeckTech Z2E won't use 800 series iGPU, it will skip this gen due to negligible benefit in doing so, they will go for 900 series of IGPU.... 12 CU is not much greater than 12CU of 780M, and 16 CU as I mentioned need power and alot more power, Z1 beats Z1E at 10W due to same reason, these iGPU have minimum power requirement to become usable and 16CU can't be usable at 15W or 20W which these handhelds use So that's definitely out of question, the new 880M and 890M are not much more efficient they just add more performance at more power requirements, they are made to be used in laptops than hand-helds
And you have exclusive insider knowledge of this? No where does it state that these chips were designed for 54 or 48 wattage whatever you claim it to be. The 7840u chips are the e act same in that they go in general purpose laptops and thin and lights. They get their tdp dictated by the mfg. You'll still get plenty of power our of a 28w 16cu chip. The 12 cu is a nice option and a minor improvement over the 780m however much like the z1 and z1e I fully expect to see similar considerations. And after the poor sales of the z1 chips they'll likely not cut them down that much again unless big improvements are made to low end tdp performance. Ally 2 or whatever the next gen chips will be will not skip and keep the 780 I'm sure.
It only worth $699
I sold my ROG ally to get the X, but im rethinking it right now, they didn't slap an oculink port. I'd be pretty much stuck waiting until Thunderbolt 5 rolls out, so i can strap a decent egpu.
The one thing that xg has over Oculink is that you can hot plug it, not as seamlessly as thunderbolt, but you don't need to power it down still. Gpd has been working on Hotplug, but you need to go with gpd... Also, remember the ally will bottleneck hard with a good GPU depending on the title. On my Legion I regularly can't get over 60 fps in Palworld with an egpu just due to the CPU overhead of the game, on a dedicated server. I think if you do want super easy hot plug-and-play, tb4 on the ally x is still a nice but limiting option, at least you can get more variety/power considerations. Another person had mentioned they hook up their 1080ti to their Lego which I think would be an awesome combo.
@WinDeckTech they make a m.2 oculink adapter, but you lose the memory slot. When you say i need to go GDP, do you mean an egpu or the actual handheld console? I've checked out the GDP, but i don't know, seems sketchy cause it's Chinese independent company. And is the 40gbps transfer speed on the thunderbolt 4 fast enough to enjoy gameplay?
Blah blah blah you dont have it so this is just blah blah blah
I mean, my testing is in line with what ltt was saying (5-10%) versus the ally x and og. This was quite heavily replicated with the Legion Go vs Rog charts I shared as well. This, in my humble opinion, is due more to the RAM speed difference, not the capacity (which is a major focus point for some) battery life is an absolute godsend and this cannot be argued. However, I believe my point still holds of the device not being a gamechanger vs the OG. Thank you for the comment :)
I have sd oled. Cant lie the ally x is tempting. But i think i'll wait for true next gen. Ally 2 or sd 2
Honestly, unless I'm seated with my wife with a charger. The SD OLED is my go-to on the go and even at home as well for most games I play that are not super high-end modern releases. Still a great handheld and smart for Valve to iterate on it how they did.
I see I no sure I buy with ally x or no I just buy with legion go and just wait with ally 2
If you have the OG ally, stick with it. Great device. The Go is also a fantastic device as well, both have issues but have been worked on over time. If going into it without any device, you'll have to weigh those options. I'd say waiting for the next gen of chips will be the move though if you have either the Lego or ally currently.
Based on AMD withholding the tdp range this chip is likely going to be too power hungry for a handheld.
It should be the same, they've advertised a max of 28 or default. But unlockers should still work but with the range going up to 54 I believe it was? They did say 15-54 but again you should be able to configure it lower or the mfgs will include it.
Totally agree. Instead of getting x, I decided to get xgm 3080. Now I have a super ally. :).
How's the bank account :( lol Seriously though, how's the pricing these days, did you get one off a local marketplace sale?
@@WinDeckTech yes. Like new condition worth $900.
@@WinDeckTech now my bank account is zero balance. :)
Please open your mouth when you have one.
Ok, it'll be rather hard to do my daily living going mute until then, but if taking a vow of silence works for the monks, I guess it's good enough for me. For real though... performance Will not be miles better suddenly because of the existence of more RAM. It will be lauded while the real reason will be veiled. The only thing the Ally has going for it is the dual USB C, faster charging (with still a 65w in the box..), and battery life. Grab a 100w capable battery pack and it will be infinitely more beneficial than spending another 899 plus tax (over 1k CAD before tax) for "triple" (double and a bit) the life on the X. I'm not against the Ally X, but I think they missed the mark on what consumers wanted in a pro-style device. At least give us a charger in the box that's capable of giving a full cap charge. IMO there are more reasons not to get the Ally X than for. If you don't have a handheld already, I'd say grab a cheap OG Ally and enjoy the benefit of a still great device for what it is. Software updates keep coming and improving that experience. Warranty work, however, eh? Even with the m.2 2280 on the x, people are going to dump the 1 TB and throw in a 4 TB at an increased cost vs even what was paid for the smaller ones found. Memory/storage pricing is insane these days. Granted that's a one-time investment but costly.
If you solve for x the new Ally is 1.4
Share the full equation? 😂
If Ally = 1 And OLED Ally=2 Then X must be =to clown Where he got the 1.4 from I think is the amount of hours you need to play before you realize you made a big mistake. /s
@@zaids-mw7ds (price of AllyX minus the size of the Ally battery in Watt hrs) divided by (the release month minus the release date divided by the new Ally battery) equals the price of the Ally 1.0 *(799x - 40) / (7-22 / 80) = 599*
Great information in the video and it is good to understand the points brought up before considering whether the ally x is right for you. We have tackled this very debate on the podcast so it is refreshing to have these points here in another video that you have made for us. The refreshes for these handhelds or next models within the series line are happening more frequently. In less than months there is talk already about the next one coming. The span between June 2023 and the present in 2024 has shown that for us. The challenge has been for Asus to release an updated handheld while keeping the price below that of a luxury handheld, which are a little more approximately than $1,000 depending on specs. You make the analogy that handhelds are releasing like new iPhones and yeah I do see the meaning in that. Some companies too even more frequently than one a year. Keep on keepin’ on WinDeckTech!
I don't mind the tick-tock style of upgrading "reg vs s" mods. But, I do think these handheld manufacturers (everyone not just asus) are headed fast towards oversaturation. Much like how phone makers saw declines in sales over the past few years (when phones started to regularly be 1k plus) I fully expect for people to get burnt out of handhelds and "this one versus this one". At some point we just need to enjoy what we have, so we can play some damn games haha. But, I guess it's never bad to have options
@@WinDeckTechI agree. People can easily get overwhelmed trying to make sure to get the right one for them. The overlap with the hardware is high and the software is a known distinction too as you know and we have talked about on the podcast.
I will be selling my Ally for an X. For me I always wanted more memory and a usb4 slot for my old 1080ti, so this will be a purchase for me.
I hope you enjoy it!! 1080ti is the real GOAT of that story! Should make for a great tv dock experience
@@WinDeckTech Absolutely, I'm looking forward to checking it out.
Same boat 🎉👍🏼
i will buy too for the color especially
How do you use a 1080ti with ally?
Using my Steam Deck since release made me realize what my dream PC would be. A windows on ARM (Snapdragon) OLED tablet that can play games with top of the line integrated GPU, a sandwich controller and a connection fast enough (usb 4 probably) to use an external GPU. May be in 5 years, it is gonna exist.
Really really hoping for snapdragon/arm on windows to take off. The early laptop systems seem very very promising
kind ofagree but for me it would be linux. but then again i only game and browse the web. but windows now with co pilot seems to become like spyware more and more. and the telemitry running in the background. ads in your home windows menu. i think windowsis becoming a data mining company first, and software company second.
@@pablieto-veganson I see your point but Linux for me is flawed in too many areas namely: -Modding games is a nightmare, -Streaming services hate Linux, - Anti-Cheat compatibility is inconsistent.
@@vincentgagnon8569 i think with the mods thing, if linux becomes alot more popular because of proton with the steam deck i think there will be a growing community for the modding scene.
I have the Ally and I'm not upgrading to the X. Right now, I feel that there are too many compromises in the handheld market. The Ally is good, as is the Steam Deck and Legion Go, but you are giving up a lot for portability. For me, It's not worth it. And I say that as someone where cost isn't a factor. The overall performance, the amount of tweaking that has to be done is more than I want to be doing. So, for me, I'm likely to get a new laptop and sell the old Ally. I was hopeful that the XG gpus would come down in price, but now with ASUS seemingly moving away from that I don't see how I can get more out of my Ally without spending way too much for the XG. For the same $3K for the Ally, XG and accessories I can get a nice 4080 laptop which will cover my needs better.
Yeah that is the real unfortunate truth of the XG system, i believe they are going to move fully away from it, as evident by the Ally X. Be curious to see if the Flow lineup of laptops change as well. I think the Ally OG on sale price right now at best buy open box is legit though if you dont have a handheld.
@@WinDeckTech Sure, there will be deals on OG Allys, and maybe from me. LOL. I do think you have to really want to be mobile otherwise, I'm not sure any handheld is worth it right now.
Ally x definitely not worth in imo im waiting for something amazing to come out before i get another handheld
Truer words have never been spoken
i think it's awesome there's so much comepetition. i have the oled deck. but valve really needs to release steam os, so other handhelds can use it. i generally play older games and indie games or double a type stuff. but i will absolutely no play any game under 40 fps. and i would like to play helldivers 2 and bodycam. but i will wait for the steam deck 2 or something else awesome.
That zotac one looks great minus the screen only 7in and them being too late and not just waiting on 3.5, if this those dials can control tdp and fan speed that would be amazing. I really like the what xpg is doing but it’s ugly af and I think only 7” too. What I really want is pretty much the oxp x1 mini with the new chip but made by a company with better support. In conclusion 😂 my dream handheld would be a 8” plus screen (oled even better), detachable controllers and keyboard attachment and camm2 (or at least a sodimm slot) and at least a 65wh battery, wide kickstand and those zotac dials would be nice too lol
Totally get the wanting a oxp without the onex lmfao. 100% I'm totally stoked for the dials on the zotac, it's one of those things that seems like a simple idea/thought* but will be a gamechanger. I'd be surprised if we couldn't control all dial type functions on the device (brightness, volume, tdp) im sure there will be other uses for sure. But this will be the kick off of the copycat era haha, if others don't start doing stuff like that, they are at a big disadvantage. Xpg looks ugly AF but also looks super comfy haha.. also, am I the only one that thinks thr zotac looks a bit like a batwing? *edit typo
@@WinDeckTechlol I actually love the batwing look of the zotac I was really excited for it but I was needing something I could use as a tablet and little laptop so I bought a used oxp2 since they are pretty cheap, wasn’t planning on using it for any gaming but once I used that 8.4in screen I just can’t play on my ally anymore even though it’s more powerful. Maybe I would be fine with a 16:10 7in but 16:9 7in is just to small and that’s even with booting into playnite and never messing with windows
@@WinDeckTechgot word from a very credible source that oxp with 890m will be oct/nov
@WuFluChan sorry!! Missed the initial reply but that's very, very good news :) I do love the oxp devices and what they have going but still like you said they crave better support. Will be very interesting to see the new igpus in action
@@WinDeckTechyeah I’m just glad to actually have a time frame now. The x1 mini does meet the criteria for pretty much everything I want from a handheld so if nothing else better comes along I just might go for it. I personally don’t mind getting my updates from pinned discord comments lol but at these prices that’s just unacceptable and to expect that from the average user is crazy. I mean if you can’t spend a day making a better update page atleast make the updates available on Reddit too lol
I doubt they gonna use the actual 880 or 890m chip the reason why they modify 780m to Z1 is to reduce cost!!! If they don't modify it then prepare for $1000 Handheld together with those UNecessary features like OLED screen!!! I'm just gonna buy Gaming Loptop or Build a Gaming PC than a $1000 Handheld
I already pay over 1k cad for my handhelds :( the laptop v handheld argument is always an interesting one to be sure. But at the same time, other mfgs such as gpd and ayaneo have been able to offer the 7840u and 8840u at very compelling/competing prices.
@@WinDeckTech those are Chinese Company they have a Lot's of option to Cut cost like Subsidy and other fishy stuff!!!
Those are also power hungry as well so we'd be right back to having short battery life
I don’t know why we assume there will be a stripped z2 chip as well lol
if the pice is better than a gaming laptop might be the best option for you. but i just love gaming with a hand held on the bed in the evening, and then watching some videos with a redlight filter and i can still fall asleep no problem.
I wouldn't purchase this item due to the fact that it only has a couple of things upgraded on it it's not that serious The screen is still small as hell I rather stick with my legion go and the old Ally
Same here honestly. The ally is now my wife's device and I daily the SD oled and Legion Go
@@WinDeckTech that's the way to go man 👍
Not being able to use my xg mobile with the rog ally x sealed the deal for me
I completely forgot to mention that because I'm sure it will be decisive because there are people like us who have the xg but then for everyone else I'm sure they're happy to see the more affordable egpu options via tb, albeit at bandwidth cost
They did it because most people hated it and the cost.
This and not having a larger screen option as well.
No Dock, NO DEAL.
There is an ally package deal on ebay with a Dock;)
thank you for the informations! there are many things that can be improved, like a kickstand, at least 8 inch screen etc. i cant wait how the msi claw 8 with the new intel chip will compare to the amd handhelds
All handhelds NEED a kickstand!!
I've tried this with windows and it works, but I have noticed strange behaviour. I have set PPT slow and fast to 17w, which works but under load it spikes to 25w and overheats in a second. I used HW monitor for monitoring this. Setting PPT to any other value has same problem.
How is your fan settings?
@@WinDeckTechFan profile is windows default with external chip that lowers fan speed by 2x but I do have a custom 60x60x20mm heatsink with a larger fan from nvidia A2000 graphics card. At 15w TDP it averages 75°c @2800rpm and max 84°c in games.
This is with 3,8Ghz on CPU and 1900mhz on GPU
That is really weird. Have you tried turning cpu boost on/off. Worse perf will happen with it off Edit: Unsure of the thermal throttling though. Have you check all cpu cores via hwinfo?
After some testing I found the problem. I have disabled Package power throttler in bios which caused the deck to ignore my TDP settings. I returned this setting to auto and now it works
Crazy how you can get 60fps too with most the settings turned a little lower
The screen is what makes thr Lego a win for me. Wish there was some type of middle ground. 120 vrr 8 inch screen, ally x battery, non removable controllers and a kickstand would be perfect to me.
I personally would enjoy a more slimline Lego as well. Portrait based 8 inch screen. I'm in the hardly ever use fps mode camp. Unfortunately the rumours/leaks from Legion Go and it's next model are going to be more of a lite version than a proper iteration.
@@WinDeckTech Yeah I have the Legion Go as well and its screen is nice and all, but in retrospect I would have definitely preferred a 16:9 format and VRR. VRR is a HUGE factor in such a device and even at high framtes the Legion Go never truly feels smooth. Even at 60+ frames its choppy. Especially for someone like me, who has a VRR QD-OLED and is used to the buttery smooth motion it delivers. VRR is not just helpful for lower framerates. Thats the big misconception.
I like EGPU because using as a dock to plug-in directly to external graphic card directly to the Lenovo Legion go because it’s better because you can plug-in somewhere to your handheld and get more performance that’s why I like Thunderbolt because It’s better
Absolutely, was just playing palworld with my wife, hooked up to my onexgpu on the couch with her. Definitely awesome to utilize the 1600p 144 screen fully. Obviously there's a perf degradation when using the the built in display but it's still enjoyable to me.
Whats the point of buying anbernic if they keep on changing hardware every 6 months. It should be the one and only classic retro handneld not unlimitted iterations.
To buy more!
UPERFECT is the perfect feeling monitor!... is what I'd probably say if i actually knew first hand. 😂😂😂
Hey, maybe U just not so Perfect... sorry😅
Great video for getting to see some gameplay and benchmarks with the uperfect monitor. Thanks for sharing this one! I enjoy using my Lenovo Legion Go on my separate display.
Link to GFI's FPS MODE OPTIMIZATIONS kzread.info/dash/bejne/h5ensJiqZbirc9o.html FPS mode ftw. If only I could figure out a control scheme that works across the board haha. Embarrassing amount of time was spent getting the CP FPS footage because I couldn't get out of my car lol.
@@WinDeckTech not sure if this is intentionally setup by you to say, but are you aware of my Ultimate FPS Mode segment on my channel? My latest video was on Cyberpunk 2077 and a recommended control layout to use with the game in using FPS mode on the Lenovo Legion Go. I mention one of your videos as well to recommend to users to side load the needed graphics driver so to use the gaming handheld with the One X Player eGPU.
@Gaming_for_insight oh I am indeed ;) haha I just rarely ever use fps mode and hate messing my controls across cloud saves haha
Mumble mouth
Using multiple layers of copper with thermal paste in between each is a terrible idea. Thermal past doesn't actually transfer heat well, it's just alot better than the voids of air that would be present between the cooler base and the CPU heat spreader. If the height of the cooler plate was wrong it's trash, it's not even worth doing a review cuz the product may otherwise be good if fixed, it will never be good like this.
No and that was the point if this video. It "can" work but it was fubar from the beginning by design. Apparently V2 is better although I've not gotten around to testing it yet. Still sitting in it's box. The one thing that I will say is a "plus" of the monblock is that it does indeed cause the fans to not as high of an RPM howver the flip side of that is the monoblock itself gets quite warm from the heat spread. I'm going to be working on an all backplate test for the ally then revisit the steam deck with the v2 to see if there were any improvements or, if even possible, more regressions haha. Thank you for your input and insight. I'm also going to be getting some thermal putty just to see if there is a major difference one way pr the other with that.