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  @deandonga7 күн бұрын

  epico

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  @LeahSeabourne12 күн бұрын

  3:10 Missed opportunity for "and that is why this video is sponsored by Nord VPN's Password manager"

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  @GabrielPianistАй бұрын

  What I understood from this video is that I sucks in learning, learning speed, memorization and is better to quit the piano and look for a serious job 😅

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  @f.d.robben1592 ай бұрын

  Playing piano is just a hobby, but lessons started quite early, when I was 8y old. I always played with sheets in front of me. I wasn't even able to play small sections from memory. I was too afraid to fail. After 50 years of playing, I accidently discovered my ability to play by memory. Getting back practicing Bach's Prelude in c-minor ( BWV 847 ), it felt like a wall was crashing down. The twist is, I have to close my eyes. The moment I watch my fingers moving, I'm done 😄And now it's as if I've found a key to a hidden archive. Maybe it was just a miraculous self-healing of a dysfunction, but it feels like a breath of fresh air

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  @Robyn19fnq3 ай бұрын

  I'm glad you've cleared up the misnomer, I never actually realised it was a procedural memory rather than just muscle. My problem is, after a few years of not playing, the songs that are still resident in my brain will fail my fingers every time when they can't 'remember' where to go next. These were my 'not thinking about it' tunes for every day stress relief. Any hints to retrieve that memory source?

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  @alexeykulikov27394 ай бұрын

  The second video from you this morning. Beethoven’s 7th…

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  @MathieuPrevot4 ай бұрын

  there is no such thing as muscle memory; proprioception maybe, and other forms of memory, and it's not in the muscle

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  @Blankult4 ай бұрын

  I experience that when i'm trying to remember a section of a song that i forgot, i start playing the song in my head or humming it and by the time that section would play i usually remember it, even though i'm not a musician.

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  @katttttt5 ай бұрын

  4:00 🥲

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  @jeffh53885 ай бұрын

  Outstanding presentation and extremely valuable information. More please. Thank you.

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  @daffyduck41958 ай бұрын

  Your mic setting is too loud.

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  @neomelodi6 ай бұрын

  ik

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  @kachiyoungsoul96909 ай бұрын

  Oh is that why I always have to say my alphabet in my head to arrange things in alphabetical order, but I don't have to start from A? I can start from H, for example, if I'm looking for where K is

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  @hanskung327810 ай бұрын

  So give examples of applying procedural memory.

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  @hanskung327810 ай бұрын

  So is procedural memory muscle memory?

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  @kisaragiayami11 ай бұрын

  This whole video is literally just a campaign against LastPass and I love it

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  @GordonPavilion11 ай бұрын

  Serialisation is a massive part of memory.

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  @macomputersuck Жыл бұрын

  Great video. I'd love to hear what you have to say about the psychology of ear training

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  @neomelodi Жыл бұрын

  Thanks! That's a very interesting topic, I'll look into that

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  @lamski3286 Жыл бұрын

  Please look into photographic memory too, my friend has it, he used to tell me where the original location of snooker balls were before the TV playback while the ref was trying to put them back during a missed ball foul. He also reads the negative space between text on a book instead of just reading the text like the rest of us. I asked how he did that and his response was: "Take your phone out, try to take a picture, now while looking at the object, please tell me that you can also see your hand holding the phone, and that's the negative space for me." and that was the moment I questioned the meaningfulness of my existence.

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  @elialmeida4815 Жыл бұрын

  Amazing, thank you so much

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  @neomelodi Жыл бұрын

  Please consider subscribing if you'd like to see more of my content! It would mean allot as a small channel to break through the great wall of the KZread algorithm :)

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  @anvarts Жыл бұрын

  Again, very interesting. Still, the method of memorizing music, which I shared under one of your last videos, treats music not like a jumble of notes, but a MEANINGFUL story. Yes, it is usually takes longer to “see” a meaningful emotional story in a piece of music, but the search for it is a far more interesting and joyful experience than memorizing notes as if they were a semi-random collection or, worse, a mathematically precise craft, verified by a myriad of formulas, whose secret meaning is only known to professors of music theory, (who are so kin at torturing student of music, including those who can actually make musical magic, not just talk about it). ;)

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  @neomelodi Жыл бұрын

  Thanks for the comment, totally agree with you. Musicians don't memorize purely notes, but the context that it resides in the composition, or as a meaningful whole rather than a mathematical note-per-note basis per se. Here I think the method of loci could be useful as well, as you could for example attach mental images to different sections and rope them all together into a story in which each mental image interacts with each other. In fact, this is how Akira Haraguchi actually memorized over 100,000 digits of pi, so it could work!

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  @anvarts Жыл бұрын

  I’d say, the story method, extensively used by my piano prof wife, is a Loci method, simply made better for music purposes. I do know a Chinese PhD who still remembers 60 digits of pi, using Loci method, but even he admits that it’s useless waste of mental energy. What the story method offers are immediate emotional rewards: first, the joy of discovery of the story within a (pleasant) music, and then the joy of coloring/amending the story every time you play that music. Judging by the experience of my wife’s students (not to mention her own), the outcome is always greater than memorizing the notes mechanically or “scientifically”. The joy of learning a piece becomes the joy both you and the audience get during concerts.

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  @neomelodi Жыл бұрын

  ​@@anvarts That's interesting. Having read various research papers it can be easy to fall into that "scientific mindset" when it comes to music. Of course using the method that you get enjoyment out of the most is the most effective in the long run. Music is partly an emotional artform afterall.

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  @StephenVerlí Жыл бұрын

  I feel like im listening to a podcast by Shrek

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  @darkma1ice Жыл бұрын

  It’s literally just by playing them over and over. Back in HS we memorized our marching music, 3 years later as seniors we are playing a snippet of it during class well after that section ended we just kept playing and everyone started laughing because we all remembered it

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  @neomelodi Жыл бұрын

  True, however there is some depth to how you play a section over and over. You can use different techniques to speed up the process, and choosing how to split the music into different sections to memorize as efficiently as possible is also something that requires an analytical skill. However, really, like you said, it all comes down to repetition.

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  @gregoryschleitwiler9601 Жыл бұрын

  Fingering is a huge part of playing complex passages.

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  @cecilia_mackie Жыл бұрын

  Unbelievable! Reach out to me.

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  @Valgreenmusic Жыл бұрын

  Amazing video!! Thank you! I subscribed 🍀🍀🍀

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  @ALF8892 Жыл бұрын

  I always called it the check point system

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  @ShaharHarshuv Жыл бұрын

  There is also the "grammatical" musical sense of the piece. Like an actor memorizes lines they don't actually memorize every letter or every word, they memorize the lines of dialogue as they make dramatical sense.

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  @leobourbonnais Жыл бұрын

  As a pianist, I can say that the solution, like you said, is always to use multiple memory pillars: the notes themeselves/the melody (but it is impossible to know them all out of context), the harmony (like the example you showed, which saved Rubinstein) and the movements of the hand (rotations vs rolling for instance). If you get anxiety on stage, usually, it is only one of the three pillars that will fail, so any other will save you. But this needs a lot of practice to be able to use the three pillars.

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  @phillipwaynechristoffersen28 Жыл бұрын

  I wonder how long it takes for someone to be able to do that.

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  @neomelodi Жыл бұрын

  It can take a while! Some say the most skilled pianists practice upwards of 25 hours a day...

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  @jacks5kids Жыл бұрын

  Nice video, but plain wrong. Musical memory is NOT procedural memory aka muscle memory. The proof is that many musical people can remember thousands of notes without being able to play any instrument at all. It's true that instrumentalists us so-called muscle memory to generate sequences of finger movements, but what most musicians retain in their mind is a tune, that is a sequence of sounds, and not a sequence of finger movements.

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  @neomelodi Жыл бұрын

  Thanks for the comment. In my video I did not say that musical memory is purely muscle memory but rather one form of multiple types of memory that musicians use, although you're right that musicians do memorize music remembering a sequence of sounds, something called auditory memory. Although I would say that musical memory isn't just auditory memory, but also many other forms of memory, like visual-, muscle- and even semantic memory. For example, while a musician may be able to remember a piece using purely auditory memory, without visual memory to remember fingerings and cues in different passages, and muscle memory to be able to those play sections without concious thought, the musician wouldn't be able to play. Auditory memory allows the performer to put those notes played by other forms of memory into musical context.

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  @rampage3390 Жыл бұрын

  muscle memory

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  @anvarts Жыл бұрын

  Very interesting video. Still, I haven't noticed either you or anyone in the comment section mentioning another important method for memorizing music, which my wife - a piano professor - teaches to all her students:: Compose a personally meaningful and emotional story that fits the piece you're playing, and then simply recall it like a movie in your head. You'll better remember the score and play far better, with greater emotional ownership of the music. (Sorry, I didn't read every comment, but it seems that few musicians use or teach this method, which is a pity.)

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  @skrie Жыл бұрын

  I'm the king of memoryslip under stress. I honestly can't perform any of the music I've played successfully at home 1000 times.

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  @inambaguum Жыл бұрын

  What a great video. I have often thought about the hows and whys of memory for complex actions like playing piano or sports and this matches up really well with my own observations. Also, Rachmaninoff is the greatest and thanks for highlighting him. :)

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  @neomelodi Жыл бұрын

  Thank you fellow Rachmaninoff enjoyer!

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  @robinpetersson3081 Жыл бұрын

  I have my first recital in a few days, and watching that pianist forget his music makes me even more nervous. Lol 😂 I know I'll fuck up royalla despite being able to play my piece in the sleep 😂

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  @neomelodi Жыл бұрын

  You got this bro

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  @sosoramishvili9408 Жыл бұрын

  meanwhile me who literally have memorised 90% of whole of my program by muscle memory and ear... its impossible for anyone to remember notes by memorisation there is no pianist in the world that know piece by note to note to tell u whats the chord at 16th bar or whafs 286th note ... im not unique everyone remembers it by ear and myscle memory when u practice a thing 8 hrs a day for non missing days does no matter how long it is u will not forget it 😊😊😊

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  @estebanod Жыл бұрын

  I’m good at remembering sheets because I suck at sightreading And I’m even better at forgetting sheets

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  @williamrockwell9001 Жыл бұрын

  30,000 notes in 45 minutes. That works out to nearly 10 notes per second. I don't think so.

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  @spotlight-kyd Жыл бұрын

  At 120 bpm (a not very fast musical tempo), a quarter note is 0.5 seconds long. Eighth or sixteenth notes are the most common note value in faster pieces, so with a steady stream of those that's already 4 or 8 notes per second, even for just a single monophonic part. Combine that with faster tempos, occasional 16th triplets or 32th notes and harmony, i.e. several notes at once, which is the norm rather the exception on piano, 10 notes per second are totally possible. Whether it makes for a pleasant listening experience is another question...

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  @janetunderwood5018 Жыл бұрын

  I play by ear, which enables me to improvise. I can play with music too, and I too have sometimes got lost in the middle! I would be interested in knowing how playing by ear comes about in the brain.People ask me how I do it, and I have no idea, I just sit down and play!

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  @cameronpeterson1175 Жыл бұрын

  2:43 I played this very song about 13 years ago and this is pretty accurate. I remember lying down on a grassy field the day of my performance and running through the whole song in my mind because it was chunked up in shorter bits that flowed from one to another.

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  @mgkos Жыл бұрын

  Why do you call this piece/composition a song?

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  @PJRiter1 Жыл бұрын

  Some memory will reside in the spinal chord.

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  @rikp Жыл бұрын

  When I practiced pieces on piano I automatically memorized without trying. They just got in there. True I didn't go far so they were short pieces, however when I play wind instruments I have to consciously memorize any piece of any length, even short. I've always suspected it might have something to do with always having to work out both hands on piano fairly mechanically, while on other instruments (generally monophonic) I'm good, perhaps too good, at sight reading. The notes go in my eyes, out the instrument, and off into the air every time. Does anyone talk about memorization abilities on different instruments for the same player? I doubt it, but it seems to be my case. :-)

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  @NterpriseCEO Жыл бұрын

  I've been learning The Entertainer by Joplin for a while now. Since I'm terrible at sight reading I rely on procedural/muscle memory. Interestingly enough, I can only play the left hand strides as long as I'm playing the melody on the right hand. I completely forget how to play it otherwise

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  @andrewfrancisjames Жыл бұрын

  Rubenstein transcription is incorrect. He doesn't octave jump as the score leads you to believe. Its in plain sight in the video. Great arguments aside from that.

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  @penguindragonts5152 Жыл бұрын

  For reading music, consider 2 ways of reading :: direct mapping (note picture:physical note played) and Interval mapping (two note picture: motion to next note). I initially taught myself piano by direct mapping, and have later learned, more advanced pianists read the intervals. Reading the direct notes makes memorization an additional step (for most), whereas the intervals are already a linked learning which also caters to playing transpositions. Regardless, to be able to talk through a piece away from your instrument provides enough memory to get going. 🐧🐉

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  @tangyorange6509 Жыл бұрын

  1:20 LMAO I find it ironic she literally crashes off a ledge in after this clip in the show

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  @neomelodi Жыл бұрын

  Yeah I was going to keep the crashing part in but I figured it would give half my viewers heart attacks so I took it out

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  @oscarsnr Жыл бұрын

  Interesting video on a topic dear to my heart. I'm super-curious to know where you got the 30k note figure from for Rach 3? Because I counted them (twice!) and came up with 29,217, when I was first preparing to play it. Some of the other comments have rightly pointed out that humans naturally use abstractions to make short-cuts, learning things in 'chunks'. But sometimes those chunks aren't identical, which I think is the composer's way of annoying us pianists! I even geeked-out and put the Rach 3 notes in a spreadsheet, so you can get a picture of how much physical effort is required over playing time. You don't get many breaks in the action... By comparison, I think Rach 2 clocks in at less than 20k notes. I'm playing that soon, so perhaps I'll do a re-count.

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  @neomelodi Жыл бұрын

  Thanks for your comment! I linked a 2 sources in the description to where I got the figure from. In the video I mentioned that it contains almost 30,000 notes, however the accurate figure is arround the range you are describing.

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  @MrStagepotato Жыл бұрын

  I stopped playing piano basically since 15 years old. I'm 32 now, I still have to skill but forgot most songs except for a Waltz from Chopin that I used to play for months to play for a concert and after all those years, for some reason, that song is still engrained in my memory and hands...It's weird, I play the intro and the rest of the song just follows

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  @simonrodriguez4685 Жыл бұрын

  There are creative endeavors that not necessarily result in an artistic work. But reproductions are just reproductions, no matter if the medium is toast or burger grease, it’s just a reproduction, unless it’s remixed like in primer remixer example of Warhol.

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  @simonrodriguez4685 Жыл бұрын

  Schoenberg is the actual example of thinking outside the box. But every madness requires a method, an artistic work needs cohesiveness and to be internally -hopefully externally too, but that isn’t a requirement- consistent.