Thèse are brilliant. Having been a slalom, polo and WW paddler for 45 years I found the torque effect of wings on my very experienced wrists was painful. These weights have removed that soreness immediately. Oddly the paddles feel no heavier with the weights on. I really can’t recommend these highly enough, albeit I understand that those having got used to the feel of wings might not find the transformation as great as I did.
@plouffedavid47764 ай бұрын
Too much bashing of the helper… could not finish the tutorial. Sad
@ultimatekayaks64994 ай бұрын
Really sorry the humour passed you by. Sorry it made the video unwatchable for you. If it gives you comfort the helper is still alive and well.
@user-wn3nd9ez5d6 ай бұрын
Gold standard technique videos thanks Ivan. Could you clarify: we are looking for the beautiful J shape in our blade path. IF I rotate about an axis, my tail bone or similar and my arms are always fixed, why won't I produce a C shape or arc.
@ultimatekayaks64995 ай бұрын
I’m finding it really hard to explain! During the first part of the pull, until the hand is at its lowest point the blade is held close to the boat (picture a swimming stroke) only when the hand gets to that low point does it begin to mouth away from the boat.
@romakayak9 ай бұрын
I had zero feather on my paddle and it feels better than a 60° angle I used to use 12 years ago.
@romakayak9 ай бұрын
I remember you From years ago, Thames sea kayak race you broke your rudder. I'm still paddling years later.
@juancarlosvergarat.99969 ай бұрын
Podría aserlo en español 😢
@evanshaw179 ай бұрын
TY. Very interesting. Question can’t they design a paddle that is equally weighted???? Also an idea. Simply increase the length of the connector to the weight. Thus the weight could be reduced!!!
@philipstevenson516610 ай бұрын
genius, like we all knew it was a problem but always assumed it was just us
@pauljulien383410 ай бұрын
Hello Ivan. I watched this video and some of your others a couple years ago. I paddle a semi-elite surf ski (NELO 550 and EPIC V 12) and have been working two years on trying to make my leg drive the bulk of the power in my stroke. This is somewhat instinctive to me since I have an elite rowing background. But I notice that very few elite surf ski paddlers do what I do. (Both of their knees seem to be bent all the time.) I lock my drive leg down tight at the end of the leg drive (my knee is locked). I find it seems to improve my stability with a solid bit of weight low down in the ski. Am I missing something? Also, in accordance with some instruction by Oscar Chalupsky, I am paddling with by upper arm elbow much lower than my shoulder so that I focus on torso twist and resist the tendency to push out with my upper arm. My upper hand is about chin or mouth level and never as high as eye level. After my release I do have to extend that upper arm a little for the catch. Again, am I missing something here?
@spas272411 ай бұрын
Hi , Where can buy this rowing machine?
@jeanmartiny52711 ай бұрын
good theory and training suggestions i wld also like to require suggestions with regard to improving stability in rougher water/waves and not only the statics that we often see on the internet and i am talking about k1 i actually add weight in the center to prevent from tipping to much and do the 4 times paddling left than right and 1 full stroke and lifting the paddling for 3 secs in the air
@math_maks Жыл бұрын
That's an intriguing thought! I have one concern, though, if you'll allow. When you counter-weigh the rotational force of the paddle incurred by it's rotational imbalance, you will add the exact additional rotational inertia that it already has through the imbalance -- i.e., the rotational inertia you'll have to overcome to rotate the paddle doubles (while of course the paddle is in balance statically). Given that you'll have to overcome this doubled inertia twice per stroke (starting, then stopping the rotation for left stroke, same for right), and that the paddle is fairly self-supported while in the water, I am extremely curious how this plays out in practice. Would you grant me the freedom to try this out myself with a bootleg version of the design?
@ultimatekayaks6499 Жыл бұрын
Sure. Go ahead. I am confident you will see that issue does not arise. Drop me a DM and I will send you a set up video, to help you position your mock up.
@chadmeek7599 Жыл бұрын
Great video Ivan
@zsombor570 Жыл бұрын
Have you ever tried this? How much is it faster like in 1 km?
@ultimatekayaks6499 Жыл бұрын
I have been testing for nearly two years. Faster? I am not going to claim it make anyone go faster. What it does do, as I said in the video, it gives you a lot more security over the last 50m of your 1000m when everything starts to feel bad. So it may well reduce your decline in speed at this part of the race. All boat and paddle manufacturers claim added speed but I am too old and cynical to do the same!
@tonykean1283 Жыл бұрын
Ivan. This is great stuff. Thanks as I have not sorted my paddle out yet. I think this would help. Warning, newbie type question below and sorry if you have answered in other clips. Can you suggest a non-subjective method to establish / set offset angle and paddle length?. The “try this and that see how it feels” doesn’t seem to work as I get no specific data, I can’t tell either way when I have used it for a small length of time. On a recent paddle of 20k. I stopped half way for a snack. My 30 degrees and 211cm ( Epic Mid Wing) was reset to 205 and I twisted it to ~45 deg when I stuck the paddle in the sand. I didn’t realise it at all until I finished and packed it all away. Ps I’m no sprinter, my typical is 10-20k @ 10-12 kph and avg 35s/m. Appreciate if you can advise…
@tannerforeman2274 Жыл бұрын
Crazy! I would totally buy one and try it!
@waverideraus4882 Жыл бұрын
What if you had a bent/bowed shaft in the centre then you could add a flush weight minimising protrusion. The bend in the shaft would off set some of the mass before adding weight? That would obviously not be an aftermarket option, as this is.
@ultimatekayaks6499 Жыл бұрын
It would work but it would would also have to be a specific bend to account for the blade size, feather angle and blade type. I can’t see the paddle manufacturers being able , or willing , to produce a specific shaft for each scenario.
@ilijaradovanov3263 Жыл бұрын
Back in 1985 late great Milan Janic had problem with light weight Swedish old type carbon shift plastic paddle. He filled bottom of the blade with lead to improve his catch. He had always been ahead of time.
@ysteingiertsen1921 Жыл бұрын
Well, the paddle is now 200gr heavier.....
@ultimatekayaks6499 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for pointing that out.
@schlatta-dirtydeeds9351 Жыл бұрын
Wow, this is exactly the issue I've had for so many years. Getting stiff forearms from counter-rotating, even when the rest of the body is relatively fresh! Excited hear more about this!
@gcziko11 ай бұрын
If you are using a feathered paddle with one control and one release hand and are experiencing stiff forearms in both arms, then it seems something else is causing your problem because the forces and grip needed to counteract the blade flop are applied only with the control hand and should not affect the arm of your release hand.
@skipaddle Жыл бұрын
Watching this series has become a spring time ritual before I get on the water.
@StuClifton Жыл бұрын
Great idea, but probably only practical for a sprinter. Any form of marathion racing and the counterweight is a safety hazard and is at risk of being knocked off.
@ultimatekayaks6499 Жыл бұрын
So far, primarily tested by marathon paddlers, ranging from Junior internationals to old guys doing the 125 miles of Devizes to Westminster with 70 + portages. Seems ok so far. No fatalities and no mishaps.
@HEKOT77 Жыл бұрын
How heavy is you weight? Looks like about 100g. Did you estimate the extra momentum of the heavier paddle? Does your solution have any benefits in comparison to wrapping?
@ultimatekayaks6499 Жыл бұрын
Weight is 200g approximately. Not sure what you mean by wrapping.
@HEKOT77 Жыл бұрын
@@ultimatekayaks6499the tape wrapped around the shaft: kzread.info/dash/bejne/enisltlwZ6SfktY.html It has a good grip and the bump under it helps to position the blade.
@reality3d758 Жыл бұрын
Great idea and would be very interested- however I feel it would need to be redesigned for use in ocean paddling, as that weight would be very dangerous near your face if you are punching through a wave on the way out. Are you looking to make it safe for ocean use?
@69Jamii Жыл бұрын
Very novel and unique to solving a complex problem. Well done. I look forward to seeing further updates and product release.
@GubbFarm Жыл бұрын
Well done!
@user-qx2bf6td2t Жыл бұрын
Brilliant Ivan! Super exciting to see this new development. You're contributions to the paddling world are phenomenal.
@davidGrainger Жыл бұрын
At 9:25 he says, "This paddle has now become weightless." If the paddle had become weightless he could hold it up, let it go, and it would not fall to the floor! With the addition of the counterweight the paddler actually has to lift more total weight during each recovery. This total weight increase plus the inconvenience of having the counterweight sticking out from the paddle shaft must have been shown in testing to be offset by the reduction in effort needed to prepare for the next stroke, or he wouldn't be out here talking it up on the internet🙂
@williamlawrenson8345 Жыл бұрын
I don't think it will make any difference to the weight lifted as it is in the centre rather than the ends. However, rotational forces are not eliminated because there is always rotational inertia to overcome, in both directions to make the catch and now that has been increased.
@ultimatekayaks6499 Жыл бұрын
@@williamlawrenson8345 this is not the experience in reality. The amount of force used to turn the shaft is essentially zero. Come and see me next time you are at an event and you will feel how it works.
@WillStanley-ox8cs Жыл бұрын
For us older paddlers, innovations like this are really welcome as we try to minimise injury. On a slightly separate note, I personally think that many paddlers have blades that are too big for them. I think this is due to the fact that people quite often get the same paddle as top end paddlers who are stronger and fitter. The evidence for this is when you see paddlers with really slow stroke rates. This may potentially be also causing injury (and making them slower). Just wondering what your thoughts are on this?
@ultimatekayaks6499 Жыл бұрын
Totally agree on the paddle size issue!
@DouglasWilcox Жыл бұрын
Wonderful presentation of original thinking Ivan, I look forward to trying this and wish you every success :)
@waverideraus4882 Жыл бұрын
Folks can argue the theoretical pros and cons of this back and forth but the proof is in the testing of this for yourselves and see if it simply feels better. I am sure Ivan has satisfied himself that it feels better with, than without. Is the retail model less likely to look like it could poke you in the eyes, or stab you in the chest?
@lizellekemp Жыл бұрын
Loving this and very much looking forward to the launch.
@db5837 Жыл бұрын
This will have some inertia when you turn the shaft if the blades are offset.
@gcziko Жыл бұрын
Another reason for zero feather?
@db5837 Жыл бұрын
@@gcziko Yes, even if balanced, there is still effort required to rotate the shaft in the case of offset.
@db5837 Жыл бұрын
The unbalanced weight also tells you the position of the blades in your hands without looking.
@ultimatekayaks6499 Жыл бұрын
You guys do realise that even at zero feather there is a requirement to rotate the shaft?
@tvepaddler Жыл бұрын
@@ultimatekayaks6499 compared to the linear and rotational forces one needs to apply to the paddle during the active part of the stroke, the out-of-water portion seems insignificant. At near zero feather I don't feel any effort to rotate the paddle into place. I'm probably just not good enough to notice that level of detail...
@Paddlingsfabriken Жыл бұрын
Good thinking! Congratulations! from Jöns
@owenphillips9166 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic demonstration Ivan, loved seeing it rolling along the bars. Best of luck with the launch and looking forward to your next episode.
@couttsylives Жыл бұрын
It's been a while since we've seen innovation like this....thanks for the explanation!
@steveeb9567 Жыл бұрын
The added weight is somewhat nullified by the fact that it's not out at the tips, which would add to the swing weight. So, was this concept borrowed from archery ?
@raju-bitter Жыл бұрын
Exciting work, wonder how what a different that makes for longer surfski tours or races. Surprising that no one has tried to solve that problem before for the wing paddles.
@jvg7806 Жыл бұрын
very interesting take! I'd love to try it out
@tuurbettens5912 Жыл бұрын
Very interested to see how this feels when paddling. Always good to see that people are looking for ways forward!
@wilsonreavley Жыл бұрын
Exciting stuff!
@LetsGoPaddling Жыл бұрын
A very simple concept solving a big problem, well explained. Thank you very much for sharing. I can see users of wing paddles adapting it fairly quickly. Now I'm curious what's the functional weight of my Bracia 7 725, 210cm I got from you 😇 - feathered at 60deg right handed. See you on the water, possibly. 👍
@SeanMorley100 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations Ivan! Love the concept and how clearly you present the problem and the solution. I look forward to being able to add a Featherweight to my paddle at some point. Thanks for always thinking about how you can help the paddle racing community. I hope we make it worth the effort!
@johnconnor9628 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic
@laszloczillaho3653 Жыл бұрын
Great video Ivan, perhaps you could do a series on tips and tricks for long distance racing, wash hanging, positioning, preparations for marathon racing, etc. I think you are one of the expert in that field. I am an old fox myself, but I think the younger generation has a lot to learn...🙂
@ultimatekayaks6499 Жыл бұрын
There are plans in the pipeline for this. I just need to find the time.
@mehrbodmalek-ol4ln Жыл бұрын
Hey Ivan I'm from iran and I'm 17 thanks for these brilliant videos.. I started kayak in 2021 and its my pleasure if you can tell me some more tips about marathon strategy and training about that.. Thanks again
@ultimatekayaks6499 Жыл бұрын
I am hoping to do a series on marathon strategy at some point. Thanks for pushing me!
@orangeride9045 Жыл бұрын
Two years later and referencing for the everlasting fundamental base fixes…thanks!
@pablo.4421 Жыл бұрын
Hello Ivan. My name is Pablo and I write you from Spain. I wold like to thank you because I have learnt exercises and technics in a way I haven't seen before. THANK YOU very much for your effort and generousity. Regards from Madrid.
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По русский учи,педагог.
Русский язык учи,
Thèse are brilliant. Having been a slalom, polo and WW paddler for 45 years I found the torque effect of wings on my very experienced wrists was painful. These weights have removed that soreness immediately. Oddly the paddles feel no heavier with the weights on. I really can’t recommend these highly enough, albeit I understand that those having got used to the feel of wings might not find the transformation as great as I did.
Too much bashing of the helper… could not finish the tutorial. Sad
Really sorry the humour passed you by. Sorry it made the video unwatchable for you. If it gives you comfort the helper is still alive and well.
Gold standard technique videos thanks Ivan. Could you clarify: we are looking for the beautiful J shape in our blade path. IF I rotate about an axis, my tail bone or similar and my arms are always fixed, why won't I produce a C shape or arc.
I’m finding it really hard to explain! During the first part of the pull, until the hand is at its lowest point the blade is held close to the boat (picture a swimming stroke) only when the hand gets to that low point does it begin to mouth away from the boat.
I had zero feather on my paddle and it feels better than a 60° angle I used to use 12 years ago.
I remember you From years ago, Thames sea kayak race you broke your rudder. I'm still paddling years later.
Podría aserlo en español 😢
TY. Very interesting. Question can’t they design a paddle that is equally weighted???? Also an idea. Simply increase the length of the connector to the weight. Thus the weight could be reduced!!!
genius, like we all knew it was a problem but always assumed it was just us
Hello Ivan. I watched this video and some of your others a couple years ago. I paddle a semi-elite surf ski (NELO 550 and EPIC V 12) and have been working two years on trying to make my leg drive the bulk of the power in my stroke. This is somewhat instinctive to me since I have an elite rowing background. But I notice that very few elite surf ski paddlers do what I do. (Both of their knees seem to be bent all the time.) I lock my drive leg down tight at the end of the leg drive (my knee is locked). I find it seems to improve my stability with a solid bit of weight low down in the ski. Am I missing something? Also, in accordance with some instruction by Oscar Chalupsky, I am paddling with by upper arm elbow much lower than my shoulder so that I focus on torso twist and resist the tendency to push out with my upper arm. My upper hand is about chin or mouth level and never as high as eye level. After my release I do have to extend that upper arm a little for the catch. Again, am I missing something here?
Hi , Where can buy this rowing machine?
good theory and training suggestions i wld also like to require suggestions with regard to improving stability in rougher water/waves and not only the statics that we often see on the internet and i am talking about k1 i actually add weight in the center to prevent from tipping to much and do the 4 times paddling left than right and 1 full stroke and lifting the paddling for 3 secs in the air
That's an intriguing thought! I have one concern, though, if you'll allow. When you counter-weigh the rotational force of the paddle incurred by it's rotational imbalance, you will add the exact additional rotational inertia that it already has through the imbalance -- i.e., the rotational inertia you'll have to overcome to rotate the paddle doubles (while of course the paddle is in balance statically). Given that you'll have to overcome this doubled inertia twice per stroke (starting, then stopping the rotation for left stroke, same for right), and that the paddle is fairly self-supported while in the water, I am extremely curious how this plays out in practice. Would you grant me the freedom to try this out myself with a bootleg version of the design?
Sure. Go ahead. I am confident you will see that issue does not arise. Drop me a DM and I will send you a set up video, to help you position your mock up.
Great video Ivan
Have you ever tried this? How much is it faster like in 1 km?
I have been testing for nearly two years. Faster? I am not going to claim it make anyone go faster. What it does do, as I said in the video, it gives you a lot more security over the last 50m of your 1000m when everything starts to feel bad. So it may well reduce your decline in speed at this part of the race. All boat and paddle manufacturers claim added speed but I am too old and cynical to do the same!
Ivan. This is great stuff. Thanks as I have not sorted my paddle out yet. I think this would help. Warning, newbie type question below and sorry if you have answered in other clips. Can you suggest a non-subjective method to establish / set offset angle and paddle length?. The “try this and that see how it feels” doesn’t seem to work as I get no specific data, I can’t tell either way when I have used it for a small length of time. On a recent paddle of 20k. I stopped half way for a snack. My 30 degrees and 211cm ( Epic Mid Wing) was reset to 205 and I twisted it to ~45 deg when I stuck the paddle in the sand. I didn’t realise it at all until I finished and packed it all away. Ps I’m no sprinter, my typical is 10-20k @ 10-12 kph and avg 35s/m. Appreciate if you can advise…
Crazy! I would totally buy one and try it!
What if you had a bent/bowed shaft in the centre then you could add a flush weight minimising protrusion. The bend in the shaft would off set some of the mass before adding weight? That would obviously not be an aftermarket option, as this is.
It would work but it would would also have to be a specific bend to account for the blade size, feather angle and blade type. I can’t see the paddle manufacturers being able , or willing , to produce a specific shaft for each scenario.
Back in 1985 late great Milan Janic had problem with light weight Swedish old type carbon shift plastic paddle. He filled bottom of the blade with lead to improve his catch. He had always been ahead of time.
Well, the paddle is now 200gr heavier.....
Thanks for pointing that out.
Wow, this is exactly the issue I've had for so many years. Getting stiff forearms from counter-rotating, even when the rest of the body is relatively fresh! Excited hear more about this!
If you are using a feathered paddle with one control and one release hand and are experiencing stiff forearms in both arms, then it seems something else is causing your problem because the forces and grip needed to counteract the blade flop are applied only with the control hand and should not affect the arm of your release hand.
Watching this series has become a spring time ritual before I get on the water.
Great idea, but probably only practical for a sprinter. Any form of marathion racing and the counterweight is a safety hazard and is at risk of being knocked off.
So far, primarily tested by marathon paddlers, ranging from Junior internationals to old guys doing the 125 miles of Devizes to Westminster with 70 + portages. Seems ok so far. No fatalities and no mishaps.
How heavy is you weight? Looks like about 100g. Did you estimate the extra momentum of the heavier paddle? Does your solution have any benefits in comparison to wrapping?
Weight is 200g approximately. Not sure what you mean by wrapping.
@@ultimatekayaks6499the tape wrapped around the shaft: kzread.info/dash/bejne/enisltlwZ6SfktY.html It has a good grip and the bump under it helps to position the blade.
Great idea and would be very interested- however I feel it would need to be redesigned for use in ocean paddling, as that weight would be very dangerous near your face if you are punching through a wave on the way out. Are you looking to make it safe for ocean use?
Very novel and unique to solving a complex problem. Well done. I look forward to seeing further updates and product release.
Well done!
Brilliant Ivan! Super exciting to see this new development. You're contributions to the paddling world are phenomenal.
At 9:25 he says, "This paddle has now become weightless." If the paddle had become weightless he could hold it up, let it go, and it would not fall to the floor! With the addition of the counterweight the paddler actually has to lift more total weight during each recovery. This total weight increase plus the inconvenience of having the counterweight sticking out from the paddle shaft must have been shown in testing to be offset by the reduction in effort needed to prepare for the next stroke, or he wouldn't be out here talking it up on the internet🙂
I don't think it will make any difference to the weight lifted as it is in the centre rather than the ends. However, rotational forces are not eliminated because there is always rotational inertia to overcome, in both directions to make the catch and now that has been increased.
@@williamlawrenson8345 this is not the experience in reality. The amount of force used to turn the shaft is essentially zero. Come and see me next time you are at an event and you will feel how it works.
For us older paddlers, innovations like this are really welcome as we try to minimise injury. On a slightly separate note, I personally think that many paddlers have blades that are too big for them. I think this is due to the fact that people quite often get the same paddle as top end paddlers who are stronger and fitter. The evidence for this is when you see paddlers with really slow stroke rates. This may potentially be also causing injury (and making them slower). Just wondering what your thoughts are on this?
Totally agree on the paddle size issue!
Wonderful presentation of original thinking Ivan, I look forward to trying this and wish you every success :)
Folks can argue the theoretical pros and cons of this back and forth but the proof is in the testing of this for yourselves and see if it simply feels better. I am sure Ivan has satisfied himself that it feels better with, than without. Is the retail model less likely to look like it could poke you in the eyes, or stab you in the chest?
Loving this and very much looking forward to the launch.
This will have some inertia when you turn the shaft if the blades are offset.
Another reason for zero feather?
@@gcziko Yes, even if balanced, there is still effort required to rotate the shaft in the case of offset.
The unbalanced weight also tells you the position of the blades in your hands without looking.
You guys do realise that even at zero feather there is a requirement to rotate the shaft?
@@ultimatekayaks6499 compared to the linear and rotational forces one needs to apply to the paddle during the active part of the stroke, the out-of-water portion seems insignificant. At near zero feather I don't feel any effort to rotate the paddle into place. I'm probably just not good enough to notice that level of detail...
Good thinking! Congratulations! from Jöns
Fantastic demonstration Ivan, loved seeing it rolling along the bars. Best of luck with the launch and looking forward to your next episode.
It's been a while since we've seen innovation like this....thanks for the explanation!
The added weight is somewhat nullified by the fact that it's not out at the tips, which would add to the swing weight. So, was this concept borrowed from archery ?
Exciting work, wonder how what a different that makes for longer surfski tours or races. Surprising that no one has tried to solve that problem before for the wing paddles.
very interesting take! I'd love to try it out
Very interested to see how this feels when paddling. Always good to see that people are looking for ways forward!
Exciting stuff!
A very simple concept solving a big problem, well explained. Thank you very much for sharing. I can see users of wing paddles adapting it fairly quickly. Now I'm curious what's the functional weight of my Bracia 7 725, 210cm I got from you 😇 - feathered at 60deg right handed. See you on the water, possibly. 👍
Congratulations Ivan! Love the concept and how clearly you present the problem and the solution. I look forward to being able to add a Featherweight to my paddle at some point. Thanks for always thinking about how you can help the paddle racing community. I hope we make it worth the effort!
Fantastic
Great video Ivan, perhaps you could do a series on tips and tricks for long distance racing, wash hanging, positioning, preparations for marathon racing, etc. I think you are one of the expert in that field. I am an old fox myself, but I think the younger generation has a lot to learn...🙂
There are plans in the pipeline for this. I just need to find the time.
Hey Ivan I'm from iran and I'm 17 thanks for these brilliant videos.. I started kayak in 2021 and its my pleasure if you can tell me some more tips about marathon strategy and training about that.. Thanks again
I am hoping to do a series on marathon strategy at some point. Thanks for pushing me!
Two years later and referencing for the everlasting fundamental base fixes…thanks!
Hello Ivan. My name is Pablo and I write you from Spain. I wold like to thank you because I have learnt exercises and technics in a way I haven't seen before. THANK YOU very much for your effort and generousity. Regards from Madrid.