I assume when you said "costly and timely" you meant "costly and time-consuming" (as timely implies being on-time!) Aside from that little scripting detail, a good wee video and excellent use of archive footage. It's such a shame the WCML never got modernised like it was supposed to. As I grow older I'm increasingly bitter that BR, and GPO/BT, and the CEGB, were never allowed to properly implement their modernisation plans. We would be in a much better place right now, infrastructure-wise, if we'd been able to lean on their proposed full-fibre rollouts, France levels of nuclear power, and modern high-speed rail networks during lockdowns and the subsequent recovery. Energy prices wouldn't have gone through the roof, remote-working from home wouldn't have had connection issues, and there would've been much less housing pressure on certain cities over the last few decades if commuters had viable high-speed options.
@lindseypapakirk978 күн бұрын
I must say that lc250 looks more American than British. Also I would like a new tons of Trackmasters video.
@cathiecretella319710 күн бұрын
Beautiful thumbnail. Keep up the good work 👍👍
@colinsheppard966211 күн бұрын
Alton Hall………Hogwarts Castle say it right kid
@Yorkshire_trainspotter12 күн бұрын
The class 91 not the class 225. They were called the intercity225 but were class 91.
@qasimmir711712 күн бұрын
Britain is the worst first world country at building infrastructure post war.
@ben.taylor12 күн бұрын
1:37 It's not called the Class 225. The train itself is called the Class 91, it was named the Intercity 225 to symbolise its top speed of 225km/h (140mph) but that's not its official classification. Furthermore, which you didn't mention, the 91s had a design speed of 140mph which they've not only reached but significantly exceeded. But in service they've spent their lives travelling at a maximum speed of 125mph. This being due to the geometry of the East Coast Mainline and, with later legislation, the lack of in-cab signalling which is required for trains to exceed this speed.
@Northerner_Transport_Hub13 күн бұрын
Hi. First of all, you've taught me about a train i never knew existed, and your pacing is much better compared to when you started this channel. A couple of corrections though: The Inter-City 125 was actually capable of 140mph The name of the Inter-City 225 is A Class 91, which is the locomotive what powers the full train, known by enthusiasts as a 'Electra' Subscribed, looking forward to your next video.
@user-nr9we2ik3u15 күн бұрын
That 250 train is look cool
@Thatmodelrailwayboy15 күн бұрын
Hey I was wondering if I can use your profile and thumbnail for a video I’m doing a history video on the Waverley and i was wondering if it’s ok if I use your profile and thumbnail?
@bobbymcloughlin345216 күн бұрын
You Are Telling A Story Of An Anglo-Celtic Railway MK Stock (HST) UK’s MK Coaching Stock Throughout The Generations Production MK Stocks 1. Anglo-Celtic Railway MK Stock 2. British Railway MK Stock 3. BREL MK Stock (Remodel) 4. Metropolitan Cammell MK Stock 5. Anglo-Celtic MK Stock (HST: Planned) Spanish Construction & Railway Auxiliary - MK Stock Mark Stock Prototypes 1. Cravens MK Stock 2. Swindon MK Stock 3. Crewe MK Stock (BREL) The English & Celtic Railways 1. Original MK Stock 5. MK Stock (HST) British Railway 2. Original MK Stock (Vacuum Braked) A. Original MK Stock (Air Braked) B. Original MK Stock (Wrap-Round Doors) C. Original MK Stock (Air Conditioner / Fresh Air) D. Combined Pressure Ventilation / Air Con E. Edition: Luggage Rack Fitted Lavatories F. Full Air Conditioner (Reseating) G. Generator Fitting (Reseating) Cravens = 1. Original MK Stock 1. A Prototype Of E&CR’s MK Stock Swindon = 2. Original MK Stock 2. A Prototype Of BR’s Original MK Stock Crewe = 3. Original MK Stock (Cowl Unit Set) 3. A Prototype Of A BREL MK Stock 4. Latter Generation MK Stock Only Built A Catenary Voltage DVT Crewe Also Made A Cowl Unit For The BREL MK Stock IC Service BREL 3. A Push-Pull Cowl Unit Set A. Original MK Stock (Latter Generation) B. Engine Haulage Set (DT Classed As: “442”) BREL International MK Stock Metropolitan Cammell 1. Pullman Stock (Based On An E&CR MK Stock) 4. Original MK Stock Spanish Construction & Railway Auxiliary 4. Original MK Stock (As Used For Ireland’s Intercity Train Services) 5. Official MK Stock (As Used For The Caledonian Sleeper) A. Official MK Stock (As Used For The TransPennine Express) A Train Like This Is Only Run On Electric, Is A Powerless Train Of Carriages On Voltage, But It Comes With Either A Cabless Catenary Trailer Or Driving Catenary Trailer, Available On Live Rail Motor (Power): Steam, Diesel Or Petrol Electric Is Either An Equipment Of Power Or A Transmission Diesel (Mechanical Transmission) Diesel (Hydraulical Transmission) Diesel (Electrical Transmission) Petrol Steam = Steam Mode & Petrol Mode Petrol Diesel = Diesel Mode & Petrol Mode Voltages Available Steam Diesel = Steam Mode & Diesel Mode Tri-Mode = Steam, Diesel & Petrol Quad-Mode = Steam, Diesel, Petrol & Electric Voltage Locomotive Engines Voltage Steam = Steam Mode & An Electric Mode Voltage Diesel = Diesel Mode & An Electric Mode Voltage Petrol = Petrol Mode & An Electric Mode
@TheRubberDuck16 күн бұрын
Personally if the Class 93 or IC 250 was developed before the APT, it would of got a lot more traction as since the balls up of the APT the Thatcher era government didn't want to pump more funds into BR to develop more trains which is why in the end the tilting mechanism from the APT was sold off to an Italian firm who then sold it back to the UK years later in the form of Voyagers
@rhodrage16 күн бұрын
This video was interesting, but I had to set it to 0.75 playback to take in what you were saying
@StefanWithTrains322217 күн бұрын
I think that if this project had gone thru, we would see in 2024 high-speed rail all over the UK. Due to its low(er) capital investment costs when compared to entirely new greenfield routes. But we are now in 2024 in our timeline, with one HS1.
@abloogywoogywoo17 күн бұрын
Love its design.
@jammiedodger704017 күн бұрын
Incorrect it was called the Class 91 and Mark 4 and the name of the set was intercity 225.
@hypergamingnow571913 күн бұрын
Wrong g that's a different loco
@afellowsudrian17 күн бұрын
What’s ur Thomas channel called?
@OnlyTheRightTrack17 күн бұрын
tons of trackmasters i think
@maverick124318 күн бұрын
The only failure was in Westminster. Again.
@robtyman428116 күн бұрын
Those b****y Tories again!
@Phil-oj5nr18 күн бұрын
Check out all the projects the British Governments over the years have pulled the plug on. Let’s start with the Whittle-designed jet engine. Only in the dying stages of WWII did money start to flow, whilst across in Europe the Germans were quite a bit ahead. Luckily even their Government was uninterested, otherwise they would have had jets in the air earlier, which could have prolonged the war. Next was the Blue Streak missile which was cancelled without entering full production. Then the APT (Advanced Passenger Train), which had the engineers been given, maybe, another 12 months to iron out a few problems could have been in squadron duty within another couple of years. As it was, the Italians took up the mantle and produced the Pendolino Class 390 trains which Virgin Trains introduced to the West Coast mainline. The body shells were produced in Italy and the fit done at Washwood Heath. The final debacle is HS2. The concept was brilliant, even though the financials were not clearly recognised. The Tory government (2023) truncated the plan, so that what will, finally, be built is a shadow of the original concept. Penny pinching has ruined what could, and should, have been a major forward step for the British railway system. PICTON, South Island, New Zealand.
@callumthornelow293618 күн бұрын
Nice work. Although it was actually a 4-6-2-2 not a 4-6-4. The reason being that the trailing wheels were sprung independently from each other rather then sharing a bogie like the guiding wheels.
@scottyandtomongusgaming973118 күн бұрын
i love the flying scotsman i think it what got me into trains and thomas and friends and if it wasnt for it i wouldnt be a big fan of the railways series it also funny that my many is also scott and the flying SCOTman is my fav train wow i also saw the scotman for it 100 year anniversary in king cross and it so cool to see a steam train in Real life because most are scrapped
@sglenny00118 күн бұрын
It really upset me
@lukestevens873518 күн бұрын
The powercars look similar to the Eurostar becasue they were designed by the same person and the Eurostar design was based on the IC250.
@1471SirFrederickBanbury19 күн бұрын
its a shame that BR actuality wanted to innovate, but kept getting slapped down with issues. It does beg the question in my head though: why was there so much innovation when the railways were private and in the Big Four era, but BR couldn't keep up with the changing times? Its impossible to know the whole truth, but it is important to wonder.
@jammiedodger704017 күн бұрын
Yeah Same as APT which in the end was actually just sold to a foreign company.
@nathanking893017 күн бұрын
The standard answer from the more market friendly schools of economics would be that BR, as a state monopoly, had no competition and therefore no reason to grow. But whilst not an expert on railway history, I would point to BR only existing during a period of decline in the railways - harder to innovate if you’ve not got spare cash and your focus is on just getting things as they are through another day.
@1471SirFrederickBanbury16 күн бұрын
@@nathanking8930 This is the truth and is why the best eras of Railways may be over. Its been decades since the railways competed and actually needed to innovate, so why would they? Even the French stopped pushing the TGV to new levels. how sad.
@hypergolic846815 күн бұрын
A very simplistic view would be the war and politics. When the private companies, were competing, they had a network that was maintained and, even with the depression of the 1930's, there was no real competition to their traffic. Post 1945, suddenly many people had driving licences, surplus sales of trucks and light vehicles meant that the farmer could now set off early for market, with the sheep in the back, rather than the train. So revenue drops, and shiny innovating things go, as it's about keeping the UK exporting to pay off our war debt. You could say that the innovation in steam engines under Riddles was as good as it got. Then came politics. The killer for the UK was trying to keep to many companies afloat with too few orders. We can all go through the failure of North British etc etc, but the issue was, too many manufacturers building what turned out to be sub standard kit to for fill so many small sub orders - with many different sub suppliers - (look at all the class 25/33 sub classes). But remember, that each sub equipment supplier, probably had a factory in a marginal constituency and, suddenly, an order there saves the day at the next election, regardless of if BR wanted the kit or not. And again, there's' no innovation, as people are fighting political and budget requirements from the Transport Commission. In Germany, they put out a spec, built a number of prototypes from different manufacturers and then a winner takes all competition would result in a locomotive, that went into traffic tested, built for long service, and crucially the job in hand. As the German manufacturer could bank on an order, from day one of 200 locomotives, they could get cheap state bank loans, build a new factory, and build the CORRECT servicing facilities (and spares support) on the back of it. Instead we carried on going with old labour rules, old factories and a rail network that never really recovered from the war. If we'd built classes of reliable and exportable locomotives, removed politics from procurement, I think there could have been a return to innovation as we saw pre war, and crucially, a thirst from the BR board.
@1471SirFrederickBanbury15 күн бұрын
@@hypergolic8468 This is also true. there are just so many sad factors that led to the downfall of the industry behind the most efficient, and IMHO convenient and reliable form of transportation and freight delivery. I just hope that one day, there is a reprise of the railways of Britain. (cue Giants of Steam theme)
@SalmanMentos19 күн бұрын
The IC250 looks too modern even for today
@Arltratlo8 күн бұрын
thats the reason they dont build it... its looked to much like the future, but the UK wants to live in the past, empire, steam locomotives and workers enslaved! the reasons for vote for BrexShit, running back into the past!
@harrisonallen65119 күн бұрын
The unfortunate recession
@nicebean19 күн бұрын
750 MIO wow! I wish we had a real high speed network in the UK, similar to the Spanish or German!
@francisguzman.isco199819 күн бұрын
I would personally would've liked to have seen the HS2 Trainsets to be either inspired by the IC250 or even paying homage to it, such a wasted design, it looks so timeless and iconic, this would've been the face of New British Railways, but alas, I'm just being hopeful hahaha, but well done, keep up the good work.
@kitspackman399421 күн бұрын
Wrong on so many levels! The HST wasn't developed at the same time as the APT-E, it followed it by some years, and the HST, like almost every other high speed railway in the world, uses Dr. Alan Wickens worn wheel profile, which was THE major breakthrough that made modern day high speed rail travel possible. The reason why the APT-Ps had to run at 125 mph in later years wasn't to do with the specification being changed, it was because the rest of BR didn't spend the money to upgrade the signalling system so it could run faster. And BR DIDN'T sell their tilt system technology to FIAT-Ferrovia, FIAT had developed the Pendolino system around the same time as BR was developing the APT-E system. The only thing the two systems have in common is that they tilt! If you want to ride on an APT type tilting train in the UK, take a ride on a Super Voyager, which DOES use an APT type tilt system, but you better hurry as Avanti are just about to take them out of service. I could go on and on, but I get tired correcting KZread vids about the APT project, because most of them are just plain wrong! Just to establish my bona fides, I was a tilt system development engineer on the APT-E and some of the APT-P systems too.
@stevedunningduckinggiraffe629622 күн бұрын
The crappy Morris metro with far more basic engineering got £100m from the government for development...
@AussiePom25 күн бұрын
The APT-P at Crewe Heritage center was bought from BR by Pete Waterman and the deal was that he had to hide it for ten years because journalists were taking photos of it probably at Derby RTC and embarrassing the government of the day.
@michaelturner445726 күн бұрын
The IP from the APT was used in later tilting trains, like the Pendolino
@tylerdurden400627 күн бұрын
"Advanced" <spends the absolute minimum so they can only start for propaganda videos> 🤷🤣
@yuhanwei7139Ай бұрын
Wait it's only £40M???? Less than the feasibility study for a project nowdays
@mariokringsАй бұрын
Great work! Thank you! =)
@tanker1425Ай бұрын
Sad to see such a beautiful locomotive getting bombed :(
@jubeleesimon3100Ай бұрын
All viva rail aside, The d stock had so much life to be honest to still run on the underground, they looked healthy when they were withdrawn, at one point they were running better than the s stocks, basically vivarail broke the D stocks, not even tfl
@alexhornett6985Ай бұрын
British rail was crap.
@gorgu08Ай бұрын
The interesting elephant in the room is the British network actually has the highest average speeds in the world already on account of its many 125mph lines, once HS2/3 and ECTS is completed on the ECML and WCML (give it 20 years) the UK will be out of sight to other countries…
@gorgu08Ай бұрын
Typical British attitude we can’t spend money and need to find the cheapest option possible so rather than building new track for one of the most dense populations in the world we will tilt the trains and use our old track. Now HS2 is costing so much money we will half ar$e that too and cancel it, only to build it as it should have been built twenty years later to end up with the same high speed rail that should have been put in 70 years ago
@qjtvaddict20 күн бұрын
That explains why the US is so pathetic
@Arltratlo7 күн бұрын
we used tilting trains, too.... but mostly we build new rail roads... for our ICE1 to ICE4..... i am living not far from one...i can use my local train for 3 stations and can jump on a high speed train to central Switzerland! that is 1000km away! btw: we used fast trains up from 1929...!
@Teddystream.Ай бұрын
The Government was too mean to finish the project, £40 M over 20 years was pitiful and the train tech that was gained was for peanuts.
@shadowcitizen545Ай бұрын
Just goes to show how dangerous the media cam actually be
@BJHolloway1Ай бұрын
I wonder what advice their in house accountans were offering prior to failure. The company lasted a long time so it seems a little strange why the lack of working capital could not be spotted?
@mauricefox8508Ай бұрын
£50m wasn't no way enough Thatcher gave Delorean over £100m most of the journalists were piss up on one of the 1st journey because of a free bar the night before so nothing they say can be believe
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I assume when you said "costly and timely" you meant "costly and time-consuming" (as timely implies being on-time!) Aside from that little scripting detail, a good wee video and excellent use of archive footage. It's such a shame the WCML never got modernised like it was supposed to. As I grow older I'm increasingly bitter that BR, and GPO/BT, and the CEGB, were never allowed to properly implement their modernisation plans. We would be in a much better place right now, infrastructure-wise, if we'd been able to lean on their proposed full-fibre rollouts, France levels of nuclear power, and modern high-speed rail networks during lockdowns and the subsequent recovery. Energy prices wouldn't have gone through the roof, remote-working from home wouldn't have had connection issues, and there would've been much less housing pressure on certain cities over the last few decades if commuters had viable high-speed options.
I must say that lc250 looks more American than British. Also I would like a new tons of Trackmasters video.
Beautiful thumbnail. Keep up the good work 👍👍
Alton Hall………Hogwarts Castle say it right kid
The class 91 not the class 225. They were called the intercity225 but were class 91.
Britain is the worst first world country at building infrastructure post war.
1:37 It's not called the Class 225. The train itself is called the Class 91, it was named the Intercity 225 to symbolise its top speed of 225km/h (140mph) but that's not its official classification. Furthermore, which you didn't mention, the 91s had a design speed of 140mph which they've not only reached but significantly exceeded. But in service they've spent their lives travelling at a maximum speed of 125mph. This being due to the geometry of the East Coast Mainline and, with later legislation, the lack of in-cab signalling which is required for trains to exceed this speed.
Hi. First of all, you've taught me about a train i never knew existed, and your pacing is much better compared to when you started this channel. A couple of corrections though: The Inter-City 125 was actually capable of 140mph The name of the Inter-City 225 is A Class 91, which is the locomotive what powers the full train, known by enthusiasts as a 'Electra' Subscribed, looking forward to your next video.
That 250 train is look cool
Hey I was wondering if I can use your profile and thumbnail for a video I’m doing a history video on the Waverley and i was wondering if it’s ok if I use your profile and thumbnail?
You Are Telling A Story Of An Anglo-Celtic Railway MK Stock (HST) UK’s MK Coaching Stock Throughout The Generations Production MK Stocks 1. Anglo-Celtic Railway MK Stock 2. British Railway MK Stock 3. BREL MK Stock (Remodel) 4. Metropolitan Cammell MK Stock 5. Anglo-Celtic MK Stock (HST: Planned) Spanish Construction & Railway Auxiliary - MK Stock Mark Stock Prototypes 1. Cravens MK Stock 2. Swindon MK Stock 3. Crewe MK Stock (BREL) The English & Celtic Railways 1. Original MK Stock 5. MK Stock (HST) British Railway 2. Original MK Stock (Vacuum Braked) A. Original MK Stock (Air Braked) B. Original MK Stock (Wrap-Round Doors) C. Original MK Stock (Air Conditioner / Fresh Air) D. Combined Pressure Ventilation / Air Con E. Edition: Luggage Rack Fitted Lavatories F. Full Air Conditioner (Reseating) G. Generator Fitting (Reseating) Cravens = 1. Original MK Stock 1. A Prototype Of E&CR’s MK Stock Swindon = 2. Original MK Stock 2. A Prototype Of BR’s Original MK Stock Crewe = 3. Original MK Stock (Cowl Unit Set) 3. A Prototype Of A BREL MK Stock 4. Latter Generation MK Stock Only Built A Catenary Voltage DVT Crewe Also Made A Cowl Unit For The BREL MK Stock IC Service BREL 3. A Push-Pull Cowl Unit Set A. Original MK Stock (Latter Generation) B. Engine Haulage Set (DT Classed As: “442”) BREL International MK Stock Metropolitan Cammell 1. Pullman Stock (Based On An E&CR MK Stock) 4. Original MK Stock Spanish Construction & Railway Auxiliary 4. Original MK Stock (As Used For Ireland’s Intercity Train Services) 5. Official MK Stock (As Used For The Caledonian Sleeper) A. Official MK Stock (As Used For The TransPennine Express) A Train Like This Is Only Run On Electric, Is A Powerless Train Of Carriages On Voltage, But It Comes With Either A Cabless Catenary Trailer Or Driving Catenary Trailer, Available On Live Rail Motor (Power): Steam, Diesel Or Petrol Electric Is Either An Equipment Of Power Or A Transmission Diesel (Mechanical Transmission) Diesel (Hydraulical Transmission) Diesel (Electrical Transmission) Petrol Steam = Steam Mode & Petrol Mode Petrol Diesel = Diesel Mode & Petrol Mode Voltages Available Steam Diesel = Steam Mode & Diesel Mode Tri-Mode = Steam, Diesel & Petrol Quad-Mode = Steam, Diesel, Petrol & Electric Voltage Locomotive Engines Voltage Steam = Steam Mode & An Electric Mode Voltage Diesel = Diesel Mode & An Electric Mode Voltage Petrol = Petrol Mode & An Electric Mode
Personally if the Class 93 or IC 250 was developed before the APT, it would of got a lot more traction as since the balls up of the APT the Thatcher era government didn't want to pump more funds into BR to develop more trains which is why in the end the tilting mechanism from the APT was sold off to an Italian firm who then sold it back to the UK years later in the form of Voyagers
This video was interesting, but I had to set it to 0.75 playback to take in what you were saying
I think that if this project had gone thru, we would see in 2024 high-speed rail all over the UK. Due to its low(er) capital investment costs when compared to entirely new greenfield routes. But we are now in 2024 in our timeline, with one HS1.
Love its design.
Incorrect it was called the Class 91 and Mark 4 and the name of the set was intercity 225.
Wrong g that's a different loco
What’s ur Thomas channel called?
tons of trackmasters i think
The only failure was in Westminster. Again.
Those b****y Tories again!
Check out all the projects the British Governments over the years have pulled the plug on. Let’s start with the Whittle-designed jet engine. Only in the dying stages of WWII did money start to flow, whilst across in Europe the Germans were quite a bit ahead. Luckily even their Government was uninterested, otherwise they would have had jets in the air earlier, which could have prolonged the war. Next was the Blue Streak missile which was cancelled without entering full production. Then the APT (Advanced Passenger Train), which had the engineers been given, maybe, another 12 months to iron out a few problems could have been in squadron duty within another couple of years. As it was, the Italians took up the mantle and produced the Pendolino Class 390 trains which Virgin Trains introduced to the West Coast mainline. The body shells were produced in Italy and the fit done at Washwood Heath. The final debacle is HS2. The concept was brilliant, even though the financials were not clearly recognised. The Tory government (2023) truncated the plan, so that what will, finally, be built is a shadow of the original concept. Penny pinching has ruined what could, and should, have been a major forward step for the British railway system. PICTON, South Island, New Zealand.
Nice work. Although it was actually a 4-6-2-2 not a 4-6-4. The reason being that the trailing wheels were sprung independently from each other rather then sharing a bogie like the guiding wheels.
i love the flying scotsman i think it what got me into trains and thomas and friends and if it wasnt for it i wouldnt be a big fan of the railways series it also funny that my many is also scott and the flying SCOTman is my fav train wow i also saw the scotman for it 100 year anniversary in king cross and it so cool to see a steam train in Real life because most are scrapped
It really upset me
The powercars look similar to the Eurostar becasue they were designed by the same person and the Eurostar design was based on the IC250.
its a shame that BR actuality wanted to innovate, but kept getting slapped down with issues. It does beg the question in my head though: why was there so much innovation when the railways were private and in the Big Four era, but BR couldn't keep up with the changing times? Its impossible to know the whole truth, but it is important to wonder.
Yeah Same as APT which in the end was actually just sold to a foreign company.
The standard answer from the more market friendly schools of economics would be that BR, as a state monopoly, had no competition and therefore no reason to grow. But whilst not an expert on railway history, I would point to BR only existing during a period of decline in the railways - harder to innovate if you’ve not got spare cash and your focus is on just getting things as they are through another day.
@@nathanking8930 This is the truth and is why the best eras of Railways may be over. Its been decades since the railways competed and actually needed to innovate, so why would they? Even the French stopped pushing the TGV to new levels. how sad.
A very simplistic view would be the war and politics. When the private companies, were competing, they had a network that was maintained and, even with the depression of the 1930's, there was no real competition to their traffic. Post 1945, suddenly many people had driving licences, surplus sales of trucks and light vehicles meant that the farmer could now set off early for market, with the sheep in the back, rather than the train. So revenue drops, and shiny innovating things go, as it's about keeping the UK exporting to pay off our war debt. You could say that the innovation in steam engines under Riddles was as good as it got. Then came politics. The killer for the UK was trying to keep to many companies afloat with too few orders. We can all go through the failure of North British etc etc, but the issue was, too many manufacturers building what turned out to be sub standard kit to for fill so many small sub orders - with many different sub suppliers - (look at all the class 25/33 sub classes). But remember, that each sub equipment supplier, probably had a factory in a marginal constituency and, suddenly, an order there saves the day at the next election, regardless of if BR wanted the kit or not. And again, there's' no innovation, as people are fighting political and budget requirements from the Transport Commission. In Germany, they put out a spec, built a number of prototypes from different manufacturers and then a winner takes all competition would result in a locomotive, that went into traffic tested, built for long service, and crucially the job in hand. As the German manufacturer could bank on an order, from day one of 200 locomotives, they could get cheap state bank loans, build a new factory, and build the CORRECT servicing facilities (and spares support) on the back of it. Instead we carried on going with old labour rules, old factories and a rail network that never really recovered from the war. If we'd built classes of reliable and exportable locomotives, removed politics from procurement, I think there could have been a return to innovation as we saw pre war, and crucially, a thirst from the BR board.
@@hypergolic8468 This is also true. there are just so many sad factors that led to the downfall of the industry behind the most efficient, and IMHO convenient and reliable form of transportation and freight delivery. I just hope that one day, there is a reprise of the railways of Britain. (cue Giants of Steam theme)
The IC250 looks too modern even for today
thats the reason they dont build it... its looked to much like the future, but the UK wants to live in the past, empire, steam locomotives and workers enslaved! the reasons for vote for BrexShit, running back into the past!
The unfortunate recession
750 MIO wow! I wish we had a real high speed network in the UK, similar to the Spanish or German!
I would personally would've liked to have seen the HS2 Trainsets to be either inspired by the IC250 or even paying homage to it, such a wasted design, it looks so timeless and iconic, this would've been the face of New British Railways, but alas, I'm just being hopeful hahaha, but well done, keep up the good work.
Wrong on so many levels! The HST wasn't developed at the same time as the APT-E, it followed it by some years, and the HST, like almost every other high speed railway in the world, uses Dr. Alan Wickens worn wheel profile, which was THE major breakthrough that made modern day high speed rail travel possible. The reason why the APT-Ps had to run at 125 mph in later years wasn't to do with the specification being changed, it was because the rest of BR didn't spend the money to upgrade the signalling system so it could run faster. And BR DIDN'T sell their tilt system technology to FIAT-Ferrovia, FIAT had developed the Pendolino system around the same time as BR was developing the APT-E system. The only thing the two systems have in common is that they tilt! If you want to ride on an APT type tilting train in the UK, take a ride on a Super Voyager, which DOES use an APT type tilt system, but you better hurry as Avanti are just about to take them out of service. I could go on and on, but I get tired correcting KZread vids about the APT project, because most of them are just plain wrong! Just to establish my bona fides, I was a tilt system development engineer on the APT-E and some of the APT-P systems too.
The crappy Morris metro with far more basic engineering got £100m from the government for development...
The APT-P at Crewe Heritage center was bought from BR by Pete Waterman and the deal was that he had to hide it for ten years because journalists were taking photos of it probably at Derby RTC and embarrassing the government of the day.
The IP from the APT was used in later tilting trains, like the Pendolino
"Advanced" <spends the absolute minimum so they can only start for propaganda videos> 🤷🤣
Wait it's only £40M???? Less than the feasibility study for a project nowdays
Great work! Thank you! =)
Sad to see such a beautiful locomotive getting bombed :(
All viva rail aside, The d stock had so much life to be honest to still run on the underground, they looked healthy when they were withdrawn, at one point they were running better than the s stocks, basically vivarail broke the D stocks, not even tfl
British rail was crap.
The interesting elephant in the room is the British network actually has the highest average speeds in the world already on account of its many 125mph lines, once HS2/3 and ECTS is completed on the ECML and WCML (give it 20 years) the UK will be out of sight to other countries…
Typical British attitude we can’t spend money and need to find the cheapest option possible so rather than building new track for one of the most dense populations in the world we will tilt the trains and use our old track. Now HS2 is costing so much money we will half ar$e that too and cancel it, only to build it as it should have been built twenty years later to end up with the same high speed rail that should have been put in 70 years ago
That explains why the US is so pathetic
we used tilting trains, too.... but mostly we build new rail roads... for our ICE1 to ICE4..... i am living not far from one...i can use my local train for 3 stations and can jump on a high speed train to central Switzerland! that is 1000km away! btw: we used fast trains up from 1929...!
The Government was too mean to finish the project, £40 M over 20 years was pitiful and the train tech that was gained was for peanuts.
Just goes to show how dangerous the media cam actually be
I wonder what advice their in house accountans were offering prior to failure. The company lasted a long time so it seems a little strange why the lack of working capital could not be spotted?
£50m wasn't no way enough Thatcher gave Delorean over £100m most of the journalists were piss up on one of the 1st journey because of a free bar the night before so nothing they say can be believe