This KZread page was created for the sole purpose of education in pro wrestling magazines only. I am not claiming to be an expert in wrestling or in wrestling magazines or anything for that matter! I am just a historian collector that owns every single major US publication of wrestling magazines complete from years 1951 to 1993, every issue, every month, every year that one was released! I’m here just to educate and help collectors find those missing and hard to get issues to help them further their collection of wrestling magazines. Here you will find a video for each and every wrestling magazine and publication broken down month and by year! I also have hundreds of Japanese issues from the 50s til Today, as well as programs from all over the US and Japan. Please message us with any collecting questions you may have and I will do my best to answer them Thanks for watching!
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Awesome collection
Thanks very much.
Hi Bill - I know you're not a big Vince guy, but he was the only guy who really had the vision for making wrestling bigger than it was in say, 1982. Had he been running the show, maybe Flair vs. Backlund would have been a bigger deal. Vince's Dad was still running the promotion in '82, and he wasn't interested in rocking the boat so close to his retirement.
Yea I agree with you. With all the dislike I have for Mac jr I’ve always credited him for his vision. I didn’t think the vision would lead to a 3 Ring Circus by 1988 tho.. There was a lotta hype for Graham Race in 78 through out Florida. Eddie did a great job promoting that now that I look back at the Florida tv from that time. Press conference’s, workouts, behind the scene interviews etc. But Race Backlund in 1980 at the garden there was hardly a whisper for it. Even the nights program had nothing on it. There was a big picture of Andre on the cover which, I found shocking for a title vs title, NWA vs WWF. Cmon the champs are always on the cover. Andre wasn’t a main event that night. It’s a shame us fans missed out on seeing those matches. Even though we knew what the out come would be. When the build up is exciting and fun to watch, you can overlook shitty endings with the winners n losers. I always loved the buildup to big boxing events. There’s excitement in the air. It makes you feel good. It’s gives you a really good feeling. Those Nwa vs Wwf matches should have giving us that!
It is amazing how many titles Stanley Weston published. He is a Hall of Famer in all ways for pro wrestling and boxing.
Weston was the best in the biz. He really understood what the readers wanted. He listened to his readers and catered to there concerns and requests. In the 1930s when he was a kid worked for the Ring Magazine as an artiest painting those classic 30s and 40s Boxing covers. There was no color film yet, they were all painted by hand. Stanley was enshrined in the International Boxing Hall of Fame in the early 90s. A real HOF with an actual building and shrine in upstate NY. McMahon Sr and Stanley hated each other, so I’m sure his “hof” won’t be inducting him and I hope they never do. I have a video in the works for Stanley that I hope to release around mid September.
Great video, Bill! I would have commented sooner but I haven't had a chance lately to browse KZread for watching so I finally got around to do it tonight. The match we were talking about regarding the Assassins was the cage match in the Omni vs. Dusty/Ole where Ole turned on Dusty and shocked the Omni crowd. I still can't figure out how that didn't get any magazine coverage for a cover photo! And I wish Austin Idol was on more magazine covers, I remember telling you that before in our talks. I find the era of the WWF from 1980 - 1983 so fascinating since it was way before I ever watched wrestling, and it was before the Hogan/rock n wrestling era. So any time I got to see any matches from that era on the old WWF Coliseum videos, I would enjoy them. It really does feel like a totally different wrestling organization compared to when Hogan won the belt in 1984. Even when looking at the ratings in the old magazines it seems that way. Your 100th video should be something incredible. I guess you could do your top 50 magazine covers you were a fan of?? It could be a gift to yourself for making that milestone of 100. You know I am always a fan of you showing off your magazine room since I do love those videos ha ha ha. But whatever you do, we will all watch and enjoy it! Thanks for being my inspiration in my wrestling magazine channel, and more importantly, thank you for becoming my friend.
You are among the very very few higher elders of the channel who have been here from the start, one of whom the fans of the channel look up to and admire, eagerly awaiting your comment and input. You chiming in this late will not be tolerated in the future lol. What’s up Ram Jam! Yes that’s what is was, the Omni! I couldn’t remember. Because I had another conversation with someone about the assassins in Florida and Dusty and I started mixing the stories in my head while I was talking. This is like live tv for me. If I fuck up it’s there forever cause I can’t edit these hahah. I like your idea of top 50 favs. Maybe top 100 for the 100th. Like you several more want me to walk around and show everything. So maybe I’ll do a mix of both. I have some super cool stuff I never showed that I’ve been keeping close to the vest. I had so much that was boxed away that hasn’t seen the light in years. A lot of it I put up on the new shelves. Someone at work told me Jessy Ventura came back to the WWF? I was really surprised to hear that. I guess McMahon really doesn’t have anything to do behind the scenes.
Yeah, i didn't really think about it back then. But as i got older, i started thinking it would have been nice if WWF would have had Face vs. Face matches and some heel vs. heel matches.
It certainly would’ve been interesting. Face vs face match would’ve been a good way to turn one of them heel. And vice versa. it would also be interesting to see the titles change that way.
Yeah, that karate gimmick by superstar was crap. If i am not mistaken, he even said it was bad. Yeah, WWE had those MSG monthly sbows . I remember my father allowing me to watch NY WOR ch 9 station i think it was WWF or WWWF at the time. At midnight on Saturdays in his room sitting on the floor, i had to be quiet because most times, he would be sleeping.
Yup 1979 was the last year for the WWWF name. For no other reason then Vince McMahon Sr. telling the press at the time “ there’s no reason to say the words wide. Everyone knows that already, so it’s the World Wrestling Federation. WWF”
Wait did he say Muraco took the title 2x? They did have some good battles but don't remember Muraco winning the title. I have to research.
Yup 1981 and 1983
If i remember correctly, Flair defeated dusty around September 1981 in St. Louis?? Magazines were about 3 or 4 months behind the actual events i think.
Yes on both questions
Yeah, when i was a kid i brought these magazines.
Another Great Episode!
Thanks brother!
Boy, doesn't this bring back some memories, magazines aided in putting wrestlers and storylines over to the fans.When I moved out, I took a three foot stack of magazines with, regret giving them away😊
I’m really glad I was able to bring those memories back for you to relive at least one more time. I appreciate you watching and commenting.. I can’t say I know the pain of giving them away because I kept every issue (ever made) as you’ll begin to see if you choose to watch the other 90plus vids on the channel. They are all shot in this format with every publication that hit the newsstands. As well as some specialty videos dedicated to certain wrestlers and companies. I hope you stick around!
Do you have the ones from the summer of 88? Is it for sale or can I buy a copy of an article? I don't know the name but I'm 99% certain it was written by Apter. It was about Lawler 🔥
I’m not sure what you’re asking. If your asking do I issues from summer of 88? Yes I have every issue from every publication from 1951 till 1990/93 what is it you wanted to know about Lawler?
@@prowrestlingmags I want the article where Apter writes about Lawler' serial targeting of very young girls
The year I was born... Love watching all your videos man...
Thanks very much. I appreciate you watching them.
For the 100th video can you walk around the room and show your entire collection? I love seeing all your stuff like that. I sit here watching and wondering what’s behind all the mags and programs on the shelves and in those stacks on the floor. It’s mind blowing to see all that!
Damn you too? Lol it seems a bunch of you guys like those vids. I think I will do just that. I have so many things that I haven’t shown yet because they haven’t fit into one of the video schemes. I’m gonna have to buy a video stabilizer so you guys don’t get the Blair witch project effect with me shaking the cam all over.
Great idea!
This is awesome! ***chants***
Thanks for checking it out!!
Totally agree with you about Snuka. Should have won the Intercontinental Title the night of the cage match in the Garden. As always, great video man.
Once he lost that cage match I knew he’d never get the title. Ppl will say he didn’t need the belt. He was over etc. Don’t matter, he deserved it, the fans deserved it. They fucking turned him face. That was the first time I ever saw that happen. I can’t think of another time in the WWF that a Heel got turned like that. It was less than 5 months. Superstar Graham was close but he never got cheered like Snuka. Watch that summer 82 Philly Spectrum match, Bob was Boo’ed outta the building. The only pop he got is when he put his towel round Jimmys neck after the match n shook his hand. The towel read “World Champ!” Its was a great night in Philly. I’ll never forget it an I wasn’t even there!
Damn those magazines look mint! I’m watching this with my friends and family rn on a big flat screen TV and it looks incredible! So clear and close up. Another Great job you did on this. Your sub count is going up after this party tonight lol.
Our first watch party? Lol. Thanks for having me at the party.
Love it!! Great video
Thanks for watching.
What is your opinion on Dick Slater, Ernie Ladd, Jerry Blackwell and Cowboy Bob Orton?
Hummm I loved The Cat Ladd!! I mention him quite often over the years on other videos and how much I liked him, he was great. I like them as a heel especially. He was on so many magazine covers in the 70s. As for the others you named that’s quite a unique list right there. You don’t usually see those names come up in conversation. Bob Orton I didn’t care for that much same with Jerry Blackwell. I liked Dick Slater in the Mid South/UWF and Mid Atlantic territory. He had kinda the same style as Dick Murdoch. I think those two would’ve been great team champions.
@@prowrestlingmags Well, i've been following wrestling for 43 years and have plenty of memories.
Oh I get that! Me too!
@@prowrestlingmags Just 2 more. Blackjack Mulligan and King Curtis Iaukea.
Ask about as many as you want. I loved them both. I got to see BJ wrestle bunch of times. I liked him as a heel more, although when he battled with Brody in Texas as a face he was great there. They had a few good bloody matches in Dallas. Curtis is someone I didn’t got to see that much in the ring during his active years. Just a few matches from Hawaii with his son. But I always loved seeing him bloody in the magazines. I have a cool poster of him and Baron Miguel as WWWF tag champs from Japan
Awesome video as always. I was wondering, with all the magazines you have, do you have a fav magazine title, like the PWI mags or any of the other "Apter Mags," Ring Wrestling,, The Japan Mags, Wrestling World , Wrestling Ringside, Wrestling Scene, etc ?
The Wrestler was always my fav! They had some of the best in action covers ever. PWI I liked the least. They were posed covers. I didn’t like posed covers at all unless it was a new champion with the belt. Probably the best magazine on the market at the time was the wrestling news. Growing up it was the shittiest magazine, the worst covers and the worst pictures ever. No one wanted it because it was so unappealing. Now that I’m older as I look back on those issues they are absolutely the best for giving you all the information from the territories, all the title changes, the ins and outs of the territory what was going on at the time. It was treated like a sport written like a newspaper article, very professional, and not a bunch of made up stories and sensationalism like the others. My second favorite from the wrestler and inside wrestling would be the main event, because of all the great color in the glossy paper, they’re very unique and had some great topics in their monthly columns, also treated like a sport because some of the same writers from the wrestling news wrote for the main event like George Napolitano and others. Wrestling world was another one. I dislike as a kid it was made cheap. The spines were stapled terribly made to come off very easy, not built for lasting that’s for sure. But the wrestling world issues in the 60s and the 70s were fucking great! Great information, they covered great matches that the other magazines didn’t. They went to the smaller venues that the Apter didn’t go it. Apter Mags basically covered the big shows at the garden. Wrestling World was hitting all the West Coast, hitting Canada, hitting Mexico. They were a fantastic publication. I didn’t realize that until I was much older, and I went back and read them.
Nice video as always man. That April '82 MSG program gives me the opportunity to let you know (in case you hadn't heard) of the passing of journeyman WWWF/WWF wrestler Pete Sanchez. Also some news that has just been revealed about Bob Backlund that he is battling dementia now and living in Florida, and apparently Abdullah is hospitalized in Georgia with a serious intestinal ailment.
Jesus that’s awful. I recorded the video yesterday, last night I heard about Pete after it was already “in the can” as they say. Too bad I would have mentioned Pete for sure. Always liked him. I was hoping to meet Bob one last time to get some things signed a few years back my friend Bud Carson had him at his place in PA. I said to myself ahhh I’ll catch him next time. Only there wasn’t a next time. That was one of his last appearances, I was pretty pissed at myself. Mascaras was supposed to go also but he canceled and that’s what stopped me for taking the 3 hour drive. I’m starting to think I’m never gonna get Mil to signed these 10 mags I got now! The guys are slowing dying off and it’s really depressing. Bruno crushed me. I never cried for a celebrity before in my life. But he inspired me so much. I know it sounds kind of stupid but it’s true. I’m in my mid-50s now and I’m still inspired to work out because he was still working out in his 80s. It sucks ya no!
@@prowrestlingmags I know what you mean. I started watching wrestling in 1968 when Bruno was in his first title reign, and Sanchez was with WWWF back then too. I guess Pete lived in NYC. I know he was still occasionally wrestling for WWF in 1984-85, but there were at least two other Pete Sanchezes in wrestling so it's hard to get any straight info at all.
Always love your videos, Bill. I have not been well and promise to watch this when I am better.
Jesus man. I’m gonna message you!
@@prowrestlingmags Great video. I actually enjoyed David Von Erich as a heel in Florida. I think he did a good job. Like you said, he was getting experience in other territories and there as always talk he would eventually have a run with the NWA World Title. Why oh why was there no coverage or video of Flair vs. Backlund in the Omni in 1982? PATHETIC! I was not a fan of Barry Windham as Blackjack Mulligan Jr. It wasn't him at all. Windham turned out to be one of the best wrestlers of the 1980s. He could wrestle a broomstick and make the broomstick look great. Don Muraco was a great heel. In 1982 he was not as jacked as he would be in few years later but he was so good on the stick. When he was really jacked he had the biggest traps in wrestling. Sugar Ray of the 1980s was the equivalent to Ali of the 1970s.
Today they wouldn't allow wrestlers to wear Steelers or any team jerseys
No shit? That sucks. It was instant heat. I remember Adonis coming to the garden with the Islanders jersey on pissing everybody off. It was great. Shane Douglas too he wore a lotta Pitt stuff in south Philly pissing off the ECW fans.
Usually Pre WWF Hulk Hogan Era stuff on KZread is easy to find. Bob Backlund VS Hulk Hogan in 1980 last I checked is still on KZread. But Bob Backlund VS Bret Hart in 1995 will get taken down quick KZread
Yea I had a bunch of 82 tv from championship wrestling saved to a playlist. 12 of the 16 shows I had saved are gone. I have complete years on dvd from 77 to 85 WWF. From 82 I have maybe a month combined. Idk why I can’t find anyone selling it. I know it’s gotta be out there. The few ppl I use both told me 82 is a bitch.
I heard Bob Backlund was able to bench press 500 pounds. Do you think that's true?
LOL I remember in 1980s WWF tv acted like NWA and AWA don't exist. When Ric Flair first came to WWF they called him Real Worlds Champion or something like that but never went deep into it. Harley Race too when he first came to WWF they never mentioned him as former Worlds Champion but gave the gimmick as "King" Harley Race LOL
Yeah Bob Backlund's style wasn't for every one. I thought his heel Mr. Backlund gimmick was hilarious. I still remember around 1986 when fans cheered for Jake the Snake Roberts who was a heel over ultimate baby face Hulk Hogan and Vince tried to hide that LOL
Yea you’re right. Once Vince Junior took over and pulled out of the national wrestling alliance, they no longer acknowledged any of it. When Harley came to WWF TV to challenge Backlund in 1980 they announced him as the World heavyweight champion, and Backland as the WWF champion because they had to. Part of the agreement of being affiliated with the NWA at the time was they were not allowed to use the word “world” champion. Once they pulled their membership, it was like they never existed.
500lbs is a lot of fucking weight man, I don’t know. I was never able to get anywhere near that not saying I’m anyone special but it’s just a lot of weight. 385 I think was the most I ever did. I’m in my mid 50s now just a few weeks ago I decided to see how strong I was. I was able to bench 305 twice, which was stupid because I’m looking for an injury that way. Bob is about my size. he was 6-1 230 I’m like 6-1 240 and in the gym all the time. 500 is heavy shit. Idk.
Love the video!
Thanks for watching.
Nice video man Macho is my favorite wrestler of all time! Yes, to confirm why the Brody/Savage match never happened, Brody was offered more money from another promoter and simply no-showed the Savage match. That is from the book I have on Brody that was written by his widow and Larry Matysik. When I first saw Macho in Memphis and ICW I was actually blown away with just how "tame" he was in WWF and WCW
Thanks for watching. I appreciate you sharing that with us! And yes Tame is right. I didn’t last much longer with the Wwf when Randy got there. McMahon really snipped the balls off some of the great wrestlers of the 70s early 80s. I couldn’t watch it anymore.
I agree with you that grading wrestling Magazine's are full of shit! Keep up the good work Bill. Excellent video!
Thanks for watching Todd. Gladly so far the grading has been failing miserably for these sellers.
Giant Baba had NWA Worlds Champion and he is Japanese, respond to 19:20. Ricky Steamboat too is part Oriental
Omg, wtf!! WTF was I thinking. And NO, to make it even worse Shohei wasn’t only the NWA World champ, he was a THREE time NWA world Champ. SMH I dont know how that escaped me. Many times during the shoot my mouth is running faster than my brain. Steamboat yea I guess as well. But I was referring to a wrestler living and coming from another country and another “company” to take the title. Thanks for pointing that out to me. I will pin a comment to correct that asap. Thanks for watching.
I thought you said both Sting and Ultimate Warrior were bad for pro wrestling. Sting not the best technical wrestler of course but a far better worker than Ultimate Warrior aka Dingo Warrior aka Jim Hellwig
I liked wrestling in 90s. But wrestling after 2010 I just lost interest
Great Muta should of been NWA/WCW World Champion
Yes, and I still stand behind my comment about the both. It amazes me that in a straight line of the worlds greatest champions in NWA history, Lou Thesz, Buddy Rogers, Dory, Funk Junior, Jack Briscoe, Harley race, and then it’s Sting. On the other side the lineup of big men who held the WWWF title Bruno, Ivan Koloff, Pedro, Graham, Backlund, Stan Stasiac Hogan, savage, to the ultimate warrior. Both never wrestled all over the world, not even all over the US yet in their career. Both winning the titles within 5 years from the start of their career. That was sometimes that has never been done before. Vince’s children circus had most all to do with that. Had his father been here Warrior never would have won. And the same goes for Sting he wins after the fall of the Crocketts 60 year dynasty. Now WCW Turner a company branding mentality, also pushed wrestlers in the children’s direction. Don’t get me wrong. It worked (for a short time) The young fans enjoy that, the older pro wrestling fans did not. After Crockett sold wcw lost tons and tons of fans they just refused to watch anymore, because of the direction it was headed. At this point, both companies didn’t care about wrestling skill. They cared about making larger than life persona, steroid bodies, and silly child vignettes to keep the kids tuning in.
@prowrestlingmags Hulk Hogan, Bruno sammartino, Super star Billy Graham weren't exactly technician wrestlers. Sting's DDT looks better than Hogan's leg drop
The Race vs. Backlund NWA vs. WWWF match was held in Jacksonville, Florida. Not St. Louis. 👍
Yea that’s already been addressed. I made mention/corrected that a while ago on a comment. Off camera on my left side is a program of their November 7 1980 title match in St Louis at the Kiel. As I was speaking I was reading that program in my head. I didn’t want to show that program because I wanted to save it for another video. I showed it few months later.
Cornette is creamin his fucking khakis watchin this😂
The magazines are absolutely fucking gorgeous
This is fucking gnarly
I was a huge wrestling fan in the 70’s and 80’s. A big Bob Backlund fan. He was my favorite. My dad was an over the road truck driver during those decades. He would buy me wrestling magazines from the truck stops he would eat at. He usually got home during the wee hours of Saturday morning. I would be in bed asleep. As soon as my eyes opened Saturday morning I would run out to the kitchen to see if he left some magazines on the table for me. Those magazines remind me of great childhood memories.
That’s awesome. Thanks for sharing and for watching the vid!
Just finished this. A few comments: Verne Gagne always looked old. This comes from a guy who has been balding/bald more of my life than not. Gagne got a lot of things right: some ideas before their time, good at identifying talent (I mean, WWF's rise is largely built off the backs of guys who were just in the AWA), despite the AWA being formed after splitting from the major pro wrestling alliance at the time, worked pretty well with other promotions. But wow, when he missed, he missed badly. How many times can you leave the fans dissatisfied and not plot a different course? Or make head scratching booking decisions with your most prestigious title? Maybe there is a reason, outside of the Road Warriors, the AWA always felt like the WBO version of the title. Finally, I might want to check this Zero 1(?) out!
Thanks for watching. Yes Vern did a lot for the sport for sure! He had great success for many years. Sadly for both good and bad the cable expansion happened. That really hurt the smaller nwa and Indy promotions tv spots, especially when McMahon offered to pay the studios triple for the others time slot. Thats some real scummy shit. One of the first to full victim was the Blanchards Southwest Wrestling in Texas from the USA channel. B/c of McMahons invasion/growth it forced a lotta changes to be made in wrestling. Vern stayed true blue as long as he could to the “sport” aspects of wrestling and not the entertainment direction. It’s a shame. It’s a shame for all the fans who loved what we had. Having it ripped out of our hands and hearts left millions of pissed off fans. This ch has brought many of us left behind fans back together to relive it again through the eyes of the great magazine covers.
@@prowrestlingmags The "true blue" part of Verne is something I thought of too. I also liked that he always seemed to champion amateur wrestling. Sometimes it was too his own detriment where maybe he found a good worker that just didn't stand out to the fans. (I'd take that over what Jr created along the way.)
Agree 100% man.
I think this is the video you referred me to. It's going to take a little bit to get through this, but as a native of Omaha (born and bred) who lives there now, it's crazy to think we had our own World Championship. I think I knew a little of this, but maybe more that Verne unified the belt later than it had this other history tied to it. It's also really interesting that a scripted event would cause some affiliates to decide to use that as a reason to recognize their own champion. It feels like a boxing thing to happen, but that is usually someone's refusal to take on a mandatory. Only 10 minutes in so I may have more to comment on later. Good stuff!
Yeah yup, ur right. The branch off companies that started out as an NWA territory but pulled to form their own World title is staggering. I made a video on this subject explaining the many many NWA afflicts who went rogue starting their own world title. WWA Los Angeles was the first in 57 after a match with Lou Thesz vs Edward Carpentier. Lou lost but the NWA reversed the decision or didn’t recognize the loss and Lou carried on as champ. Ed went to LA and traveled as world champ throughout 5 or 6 joining territories. Soon Vern did the same thing. I honestly can’t remember the title of the vid as I discuss this topic on a few vids. It may have been one of the vids that I show the whole collection and walk around the room. Vern followed about 2 years later splitting from the NWA and McMahon as well some 2-3 years later. It’s extremely interesting stuff or at least I feel it is. I love seeing how the territories formed and how they expanded and folded.
Good job, bro. I was right there with you. 84-88, pro wrestling was the best. And I too had many of those magazines.
Thanks man. Appreciate you watching.
Man Terry gordy was such one hell of a heel and big man .sad what happened to his health. great wrestling mags 👍
Yea awful. I loved Bam Bam!! Luckily I got to see the birds several times live!
What did you think of Sting's WWE run?
Never turned on WWE in my life. Never watched any Wwf match after Mania 3. We aren’t fans here.
What did you think of the really bloody Muta match that gave us the Muta Scale?
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@@prowrestlingmags 👍💯
Fun stuff and I recall having a lot of those late 80s/early 90s mags. The Japanese side of things was particularly interesting since it was something I admired/enjoyed, but never really had a chance to follow. MMA had an interesting impact on how pro wrestling worked -- I think any ties to more legit grappling/catch-wrestling of the past was largely gone by the time MMA came up. So Sakuraba feels like the exception to the rule (to think Takada was like the "A" side between those two at the time seems so strange in hindsight). Those with a collegiate background like Lesnar had a better chance of going from pro wrestling to MMA. (This is to say nothing about Judo or Jiu-Jitsu. You just didn't see as many jiu-jitsu in pro-wrestling that I can recall. Maybe you see more Judo practitioners that did something in pro-wrestling like Bad New Brown.)
I agree with ya 100% yes!! Takada wasn’t a fighter. He was poser! He looked good, got all dressed up with the fighter attire and looked good doing so. But when I came to a real fight, he had nothing. He was a showmen. Most of his MMA fights were fixed. The Mark Colman win in Pride was 100% fixed and both men knew it going in. Rickson only entered the fight ring against retired pro wrestlers and strikers who couldn’t fight on the ground. To put it in boxing terms Rickson fought tomato cans. I’m not taking anything away from Ricksons ability whatsoever, but he never fought a ranked contender. He never fought anyone who could fight on the ground. He ran from Bas Rutten in 1996 when Bas made a direct challenge to him in the ring when Rickson was sitting ringside at a Pancrase show. Brazilian Jiujitsu isn’t anything the Brazilians invented. The Gracie family were taught a very secret style of Judo that was consider to be the “lost techniques”. Long before judo became a sport, it was an actual functional fighting method that branched off of jujutsu. It was called Kosen Judo. If you do a little research on Kosen you’ll see all the bjj techniques submissions movements to a T. I had books from the 70s on Kosen some 20 years before the UFC started. The Gracie’s took that method and expand upon it, adding their own innovations to it and made it extremely functional for real life fighting without a gi on. Saku was excellent in Catch and jujutsu. Besides a pro wrestler and catch he trained judo and jujutsu and really knew how to apply it. One of my very close friends ownes a Snakepit affiliated Catch as Catch Can school in NJ. Catch uses old Japanese jujutsu locking and Hooking as its base. In the UK snakepit catch was taken to an entire new level. They really did an incredible job expanded upon an added a lot of what they call dirty tactics. I love Catch! So in the end, all the said styles above are linked with one another in some way. We have a pile of laundry thrown in to the washer machine, it gets all mixed up, turned upside down and twisted. It gets merged into what we have now. Pro wrestling, catch as catch can, Brazilian Jiujitsu, Kosen Judo and 30 more unmentioned styles are all rooted back to jujutsu. (Notice I’m not spelling it Jiujitsu) What separates all of this from one another is the way it’s trained and practiced. As well as how much freedom the practitioners of each style have to innovate an add their own techniques so that style will always continue evolve.
@@prowrestlingmags Awesome! My MMA fandom was late 90s to mid 2000s give or take a few years. So I was after the first wave of UFCs and PRIDE FCs (I much preferred the latter at the time I became a fan). I don't think I realized that Bas challenged Rickson. Rickson is interesting because of all the early Gracies he is probably the only one that certainly looked the part (obviously more diminutive, six-pack-less Royce certainly helped popularize their version of the art). Yet he is the one that is more like a myth. To think he never made it a point to accept Bas' challenge or even to go after Sakuraba (how many Gracies and Gracie disciples did he have to beat...it was almost like a video game.) I appreciate all the extra info you provided! You are right that it just keeps evolving as people borrow and learn more. If you watch an elite submission style grappler today and compare it to those early years, it can be almost night and day. That is to take nothing away, but just all that has developed -- where half-guard was an in-between position until you could get into (or out of) a more favorable one; today, so many use it almost as the base for some attacks. Anyway, this is a pro wrestling mags channel and liking what I am seeing so far!
@patrickm7483 Yea man no doubt. I love that time period also. I loved Pride. It was so exciting. They truly searched out the world’s best and put them together. Unlike the UFC at the time using mid card talent as a main event to sell a ppv. I first started BJJ in 1994. A year and half later I stumbled across the Carlson Gracie BJJ academy in Miami ran by Conan Silveira. Not knowing at the time the men who trained in and out of the academy were soon to be the Mecca of the sport. Wallid Ismail, Mario Sperry, Vitor Belfort, Allen Goes. I was there because at the time there wasn’t another place teaching no go jiujitsu anywhere. Even there the class was gi first. When class ended most students left, a handful of guys stayed and that’s when the “learning” started. Meaning the big classes you “trained” and got beat up drilling and rolling it was physically exhausting. After class things went slow and broken down more relaxed. The techniques from white to blue were basically all the techniques there were. When you moved through purple, brown, and black belt, you learned how to master them and make them functional. In all let’s say it was several dozen moves! TODAY??? Ha! It’s like you said it’s non stop adding and adding more n more to it. Not that it’s wrong or right. Just sooooo much more. My club today I teach the old way I learned with no gi. Master the basics really well and beat the new moves using the old defensive techniques. It’s a younger man’s game. Knocking on the door of 55 yrs old I don’t wanna roll for hours. I won’t be able to get up lol. But hey it’s good talking with you man!!! One last thing I’m guessing you’re new to this ch and wanted to let you know what it is. My ch wasn’t made for my popularity. I don’t even say my name or show my face. Although some found out my name on here. But I can careless about likes, thumbs up, or subscribers. I’m not trying to grow the ch. but it seems to be growing more then I ever imagined. It’s just me and my phone. No production, No edits no music or products to sell, no sites to push on you, and no commercials. I’m not a video guy or KZreadr. This was supposed to be a ch to help collectors find the missing wresting issues that need for their collections. To give them exposure to see what is out there. I figured maybe at most 8 vids. Since then it kinda took on a life of its own. The few hundred faithful guys on the ch wouldn’t let me stop. They started asking to make vids on certain topics and territories etc next thing you know, we have almost 100 videos. Most all of us all hate wrestling today (last 20 years). We are among the few left who loved the sport of professional wrestling and miss it everyday. We loved the magazines from the 60s n 70s and come back here for a nostalgic look back. Me owning every issue ever printed show all the wrestling magazines in order year by year, month by month for collectors. Basically I just wanted you to know this isn’t a ch where ppl come and debate about wrestlers, wrestling matches, wrestling companies, etc. It’s not the latest news on wrestling. The only topic of discussion are the magazines and programs from yesterday. I have a very deep hatred for Vince McMahon and Wwf past 1987. I try my very best to be without opinion and keep a lid on it while recording. But sometimes that lid flies off at 1000 miles an hour. But not to often. Ok I’m gonna stfu. Thanks for watching!
@@prowrestlingmags MMA: You had a who's who of that early/second wave of BJJ MMA guys (Belfort was the first truly dynamic striker so I usually saw him as a striker first). I am fine with the influx of new moves, but it feels like it moves away from maybe the practicality of the grappling arts. I guess that is what happens when it becomes more of a sport. Sure they could beat most people up, but you don't need a lot of fancy subs when a mount or back control may be all you ever need to subdue someone. Wrestling/Channel: Sounds like this is right up my alley. I'm just a few years younger than you and WWF was where I first got into the sport. That said by the late 80s I liked the NWA/WCW brand better. I also don't like today's wrestling, especially the WWE/McMahon -- nothing make me more frustrated looking back than that he "won" and a real 2nd option was gone. I do think I could have spot for the sport still in other promotions, but I just haven't made a point to look more into it. I subscribed and look forward to catching up or seeing what's new!
@patrickm7483 yea those guys did a tremendous job early on in NHB. Don’t get me wrong I didn’t know them. I never trained on the mat with them. But they were there in and out teaching and training. They were nobody yet. They were the buzz among the students about how they came from Vale Tudo competition in Brazil and are getting ready for try outs to compete in the US. They were gonna push Vitor as a cousin of Carlson Gracie and call him Vitor Gracie to help promote him.. But about a year or so later he came to the UFC as himself and jacked AF!! Most of my training was with Conan and his brother in private lessons. He wasn’t the most technical but his size and power was ridiculous. What he lacked in skill he made up for in killer strength. He was much better with a gi on. He had this insane grip when he grabbed the gi and twisted in the slightest I’d be gagging. Lotta tapping out back then. He went to prison for several years and I moved on to teach at my own place as a blue belt. A blue in 1996 was concerned a master back then lol. Only because there was nothing out there yet BJJ was few and far between. In 1992ish was my first lesson in Bjj was by a guy named Craig Kukuk. He had a school in N Jersey. So I had the basics before Miami. But it was way to technical way to much cardio training. You’d learn one technique a week! ONE!! And it was usually the last 15 mins of class of a 45 min class. It was brutal. The main reason I went Carlson was no gi training. Whole new world. When section of the world are you from? Did you train at all or just a fan? Do you collect the magazines?? I have a small collection of MMA mags and programs from Japan also. The Japanese had incredible MMA mags just like the wrestling. NO ONE was selling MMA mags back then. They really were well ahead of the sport in Japan. I gotta dig those issues out I haven’t looked at them in years..
I haven't started it yet, but I'm already sold on "The Great Muta." He was one of my favorites when I started watching. I'm still bitter about how he was handled at times, especially the round-robin Starrcade. Anxious to get into video.
Yea I don’t even mention that Starrcade tag team mess he and Windham partnered for. Pretty bad concept in general.
Around 1985 I was ripping open every mag in the stores trying to get a peak of Abdullah or Bruiser Brody. Von Erichs too. Since they never appeared in the NW. maybe Brody came to Portland, but I missed it.
I’m not sure about Portland. I don’t recall ever seeing anything about him there. Texas, Georgia, Knoxville, a half year in the Awa and New Japan with Inoki til end of 85-86 Then NWF Indy company in New Jersey in 87 with Abdullah and that feud stretched into Puerto Rico with Abdullah while trying to get back in the good graces with Baba after the big mistake he made jumping over to Inoki.
What a collection. Wow. Thanks for sharing and giving us a history lesson.
Thanks very much for checking it out.
At 37yrs old I've been a fan as long as can remember. Somehow I had never heard of Muta until like 6,8 years ago. Now I've got 7 bootleg t-shirts and five of his figures(that's my thing. Ljns, hasbros, galoobs and on n on). God he was incredible. The movement, the explosive offense he was ridiculously good. Did he ever clash with 2 Cold Scorpio in Japan? That's a match I'd like to see. Awesome mags brother 👍👍
Thanks for watching. Glad you liked it! Yes Muta was great he had one of the most fulfilling careers ever. He held championships everywhere he went. But lol you mention Too Cold, yea I know several times in tag team matches they meet. In 1992 Starrcade odd ball teams were the theme of that starrcade. Muta partnered with Barry Windham vs Cold and ?? But I laugh because I remember a while back Muta was in a tag team match against Too Cold at the ridiculous Insane Clown Posse wrestling company. Idk if you’ve eve had the pleasure of watching any of that poor excuse of a wrestling company, but during the match a fly was flying around the ring aggravating the wrestlers, and Muta sprayed the green mist on the fly and killed it. He bends over picking it up and flicked it into the crowd. Fucking funny and I forgot all about that until you just asked me, so thank you. Now I gotta go find that video in my 1000s of discs scattered all over my house.
@@prowrestlingmags I'm gonna check that out today. Not like anything else is going on in wrestling tonight lol. I've only ever seen him win the battle royal at the end. I've watched that 2 outa 3 with Brad Armstrong from Saturday night that year like 5 times. Freakin masterful. I'd love to see the fly moment. Flys, fire, giants; it seems like the mist can take care of anything.
he was Muto first and Muta was the alter ego.
He never went by Muto. Or The Great Muto. That’s what Americans incorrectly printed and used although that is his correct spelling for last name in real life. His real name is Mutō Keiji. But not in the Ring. Debuting in 1984 against Chono he was Mutoh Keiji. “H” was added at the end to his ring name. The H added to the end gives the name a slightly different pronunciation. But it is pronounced the same in the English language with the H. In the Japanese culture it’s customary to refer to a person by their last name first, and their first name last. Leaving Japan in 1985-86 for Puerto Rico and Florida his name was the super black ninja, The Ninja (for a few weeks) and the white ninja. Returning to Japan he was Muso or long form Kokushi-Muso and Space Loan Wolf late 1986/87 Leaving again for America in 1989 he painted his face and became The Great Muta. Changing his appearance once again and named Keiji Mutoh in 1994. This cycle changes back and forth for the next 20 years. This info I’m replying is directly from the magazine/book of Muta’s career covering all his gimmicks and Championship held.
My grandpa had alot of these from '82 to '84. That's where I learned about all the territories. Good stuff man, thanks.
Yes those mags at the time were our only window into other companies, wrestlers, and other champions. Thanks for watching
I had to do a double check last night when I got home from work. I know you told me I would be a bit shocked and surprised on who the topic of this video would be, and yes, I was! A Muta video?? Sure, I could see that. But Sting?!?! I mean, I know you have said before you liked Sting over Ultimate Warrior if you had to pick between the two, but you still weren't overly thrilled with Sting. So this was shocking! The Japanese magazines of Muta are incredible! And seeing the other type of wrestling magazines from back in the 80s and 90s with Sting on the cover are cool since I never bothered to collect those ones just because of space and money. So it's neat to see those ones. I didn't realize either how many post 93 wrestling magazines you have too. You may as well just end up getting every issue for each year, brother! You gotta be close to completing that already ha ha ha. But another great video, Bill!
“Not overly thrilled” I actually like that a lot. That’s a great way to sum up my feelings on Sting. I’m gonna use that! I was a fan of heel sting in UWF. UWF tv was great in general. I was sick of every other guy with bad haircuts and make up in that time period. It was way too much. Several people asked for a Sting vid. Two ppl wanted Muta. I was definitely down for Muta. Then it clicked, I’ll do both together like the Funks vid I made. They were almost twins (not looks) I mean their careers mirror each other perfectly. And yes I have way more 90s issues than I care to admit. They are boxed away and never looked at lol. After 93 when Weston sold I have a few. But I was done with that cheap ass publisher and their comic book size coloring books.. They spit right in the face of all dedicated customers who supported those magazines. So I bought every other publication that put out a full sized mag with tons of color and pin ups. They tried that with the boxing mags in the 90s. The people weren’t having it. After 6 months of threats and drop in subscribers The Ring, World Boxing etc were back to the way it was. They never even fucked with the size of KO. I guess the wrestling fans just bent over excepted it. Thanks for watcher Jam!!