There's a difference between being a genuine believer and being in error regarding Biblical teachings, being in error does not prove one is not saved just like believeing in the right teaching does not prove one is saved.
@RandomBoxingGuy21 сағат бұрын
“I know Mike Bickle to the depths of his soul. I have never known a more Godly man.” - Sam Storm “Either Mike Bickle is a true man of God, or he’s a pathological liar.” - Sam Storm
@JackMcLeodJrКүн бұрын
Essential and insightful discussion Gents. I have learned much from brother Justin since I discovered his works some time back, but I appreciate you all. We must expose the false teachers and guide them to the word of God in the scriptures.
@JackMcLeodJrКүн бұрын
1:20:28 - Everybody can agree with this surely? Copeland doing his thing. Those eyes 👀 alone are just way off. And then he speaks. 😳
@faithgarcia5428Күн бұрын
JESUS IS THE DEVIL
@faithgarcia5428Күн бұрын
Satan is king
@RandomBoxingGuy2 күн бұрын
Someone point me to a video where a “NAR leader”, or anyone for that matter, actually endorses or confesses to being “NAR”. I see the teachings everywhere in the Charismatic movement… but never see anyone actually saying they are NAR or endorse NAR…?
@AmericanGospel2 күн бұрын
@@RandomBoxingGuy see Che Ahn’s book “Modern Day Apostles” and everyone who endorses it.
@RandomBoxingGuy2 күн бұрын
When is this coming out??? It’s been saying “soon” for awhile??
@AmericanGospel2 күн бұрын
@@RandomBoxingGuy we finally got all the concluding statements sent last night. We’re at the mercy of everyone’s Summer schedules :)
@RandomBoxingGuy2 күн бұрын
@@AmericanGospel 👍 Can’t wait. These roundtables type discussions are Gold! I’d like to see one with the “Demon Slayers”…. Maybe get Pagani and Signorelli on one side and Peters and Osman on the other?
@RandomBoxingGuy13 сағат бұрын
@@AmericanGospel I just noticed it dropped on the app, watching it now!!! Thanks guys, I got my 🍿 and Bible ready!
@kerryh54563 күн бұрын
Maybe I missed it, but I've yet to see any of the men who were in ministerial fellowship with JD Hall call him out by name. This is VERY telling to me.
@AmericanGospel3 күн бұрын
@@kerryh5456 I believe Justin and Chris Rosebrough have.
@kerryh54563 күн бұрын
@@AmericanGospel last I checked JP had not. Can you point me to his statement on that situation? CR has no credibility in my book.
@claudiaa.32684 күн бұрын
Amen! In our 40+ years in ministry (mostly in Europe) we have seen people delivered from the power of Satan as they repented and believed the Scriptures. Walking in the Word, filled with the Holy Spirit, the evil one does not touch us.
@sherrinelson51574 күн бұрын
I pray Dr. Brown will reconsider what he said at - marker 2:12:08. As a leader in the Charismatic circles yes he needs to do the research. His very next words are about Mike Bickle being a fine Christian man. I agree with what Jim Osman had previously said - Yes, we need men like Dr. Brown and Sam Storms to stand up and call these things out. So many are being hurt in the church and leaving the church with no direction. I do believe the Gifts are still for today. The current structure in many Charismatic churches leaves an open door for abuses and extremism. Disappointed at what seems to be Dr. Brown using most of the time defending himself, and not a lot of scriptural discussion. Continually speaking of how many books he has written and places he has traveled. Justin Peters, Jim Osman, and Sam Storms did an amazing job of keeping their answers based on scripture.
@joelebert97674 күн бұрын
They went around in circles for 4 hours and managed to misidentify the main questions. So many irrelevant points being emphasized.
@mcrage814 күн бұрын
it's a real shame that M.B. gets yo shrug off the proof his friends are snake oil salesman, false teachers and wolves who grave suck at many false teacher's of past with NO real rebuttle biblical or not. MEANWHILE, the critics of the NAR, word of faith habe to defned M.L.
@litesprof51355 күн бұрын
By listen to this i see that Brown and Storms don't care if anything is true or false by not understanding the bigger picture that these lost souls will not go to heaven because they are being deceived.
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@schmaingd5 күн бұрын
The Holy Spirit is given as a seal at the moment of faith. Ephesians 1:13 It is the Holy Spirit in us that produces good works Galatians 5:22 At faith we are new creations made in Christ for good works that God prepared for us to do. He prepared them and he helps us do them with the Spirit who guarantees our salvation Ephesians 1:14, 2:10
@ThankyouJesus44446 күн бұрын
This is ANOTHER SPIRIT
@paulg9886 күн бұрын
It's more than a little frustrating to me that Pastor Sam and Dr. Brown spent hours playing defense; defending the faith against this individual and that individual's doctrine and (so far) not once mentioned the pariah and Pharisidical doctrine that is cessationism. You saw how unwilling they were to speak ill of Luther, make them defend their cessationist positions; so rooted in unbelief that their churches are dying on the vine, lifeless and dry.
@mikaockerman8326 күн бұрын
I would speak with yall, but I am nobody, and I want to stay that way. I dont need any recognition, I just want to glorify God and share the Gospel. But I am on the charasmatic side, but I quickly rejected things that I have seen yall criticize.
@mikaockerman8326 күн бұрын
I believe the Bible is the perfect word of God. I believe everything must be checked for biblical standing. But not everything is in there. Do you cast off all medicine because it came from man. What about cooking or nutrition. How about dating and marriage. Marriage exists and there is some guidance but it could bw interpretted in many ways, and has been. What about work, how do I choose what work to do? What about building, inventing, engineering, computers. Do we cast all that off and only build according to what God has laid out in the Bible? And dont even get me started in how we in our society by in large do not live biblically even to what it does outline. Anything that goes against the teaching of the Bible must be rejected. Even if it is a principal but not specifically outlined. For instance, even though the bible does not explicitely speak against spousal abuse, we understand it is clearly taught when taking in the myriad scriptures such as Ephesians 5, Collassians 3, 1 Corinthians 13, and the kost obvious the two greatest commandments that Jesus gave us. And I would also say anything of a spiritual nature should even more be submitted to the authority of the Bible. Lest we go off the rails which has clearly happened all too often. Yet, is there no place for any knowledge of man that is not explicitely stated in scripture? Scripture does not tell you to make videos about false teachings, as far as I know it doesnt say to study the false teachings and come up with solid refutations for them. In fact, I bet we could find thousands of things you do that are extra biblical. But that does not mean they dont line up with what the Bible teaches. I am glad you and your team are calling out false teachers and prophets, but I just cant get on board with that. Someone could easily take what you taught and say them we should refuse medical treatment because antibiotics are not in the Bible even though that means the person dies. You should be very careful stating such sweeping things. You are a teacher, you are held to a higher standard by God.
@bastianbrandt-df1xm6 күн бұрын
John 10 v 10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
@bastianbrandt-df1xm6 күн бұрын
Luke 6 v 37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
@mikaockerman8326 күн бұрын
Seeing sick people literally has nothing to do with whether or not their are healings. This is anechdotal, but I had been to many churches that are under the Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Calvary Chapel, and non-denominational, And in all the time over years I kever saw one single case of verified healing. Since being in mor charasmatic circles, not NAR or Word of Faith at all, I have witnessed several fully verified healings including my own. And I have witnessed many more that I think were real. And on top of that, I know many in both circles that have had similar experiences. And to me that aligns with the text of the Bible.
@mikaockerman8327 күн бұрын
Am I crazy or are Justin and Jim saying because they dont think these things can happen that makes it false teaching. Because that is not a biblical argument at all. I am not defending anyone, because I would call many of the names mentioned false prophets and teachers. But make a biblical arguement. How can you basically defend Martin Luther but then condemn these people because they make claims you cant believe. Which none of them so far have been anywhere near resurrection, which is in the Bible.
@AmericanGospel7 күн бұрын
@@mikaockerman832 let’s take Jesus playing a saxophone as part of the endless revelations that Kevin Zadai has received from his visits to Heaven. In the context of the show, Jesus told him to breathe in the Holy Spirit and it allowed him to play the sax with an “anointing”. He’s now selling these saxophone albums with this idea that you can experience the presence of God, or receive a miracle while listening. This is selling miracles. On top of this Kevin’s visits to Heaven contradict Scripture. The Apostle Paul had a heavenly experience, but wasn’t allowed to tell anyone any details about it. He was also given a thorn in his flesh to keep him from boasting. Kevin is claiming to surpass the Apostle Paul, and is freely boasting of his absurd and false revelations. That’s how we can Biblical know they are false- man-centered, selfish motives, and pride all play a part. Also, Justin and Jim condemned Luther’s words as sin.
@mikaockerman8326 күн бұрын
@AmericanGospel sure, assuming that's true, that's extremely terrible, destructive to people, the Gospel, and His Kingdom. And to he straight up, I've never heard of this guy, and it sounds like he has gone the wrong direction with it all, as have many. But that doesn't seem like the argument they are making at times. Even with the Kevin guy, he didn't explain as you have, which would only take a minute or two. Once the context is exhausting self and enrichment, then it becomes obvious. As to Paul, yep he did say that, wouldn't even actually fully specific that it was him even. At the same time, we can look at Jacob, Ezekiel, Daniel, and then John of times God revealed things to be shared. Yet, I am very reupctant about people that go on air about it, that seems like so often it is a sign of bad motives. I would not share.my experience except with people however God leads, but pretty sure they would call me a liar and heretic if I did. Which to me that is just as problematic as the other side. Imagine telling someone they are a liar because they believe God showed them something. Even though dreams and visions are prophesied and in the Bible. What if they believe that lie and reject God because of it? Just as many are hurt badly by the deceptions of those peddling miracles, people are also hurt by unbelief and thinking they are crazy rather than learning to accept and recieve what God has given. Both sides leave us open to the enemy, I think.
@mikaockerman8327 күн бұрын
Firstly, it's not just supply and demand. It's monetization of supply. It's easier to manipulate people with false hope that it is to sell them true teaching that will convict them. Second, the Bible teaches that there will be many false teachers and people will seek after it. Wide is the road Jesus said. That is not really evidence of anything except the Bible was completely correct.
@mikaockerman8327 күн бұрын
Did they say one of them doesn't believe God speaks to people, I wonder what the context is.
@laur3n11247 күн бұрын
Where can I watch this installment of American gospel?
@AmericanGospel7 күн бұрын
@@laur3n1124 it’s not completed yet. This was our update in March: www.americangospelfilm.com/ag3-production-blog/ag3-season-1-update-32224
@laur3n11247 күн бұрын
@@AmericanGospel thank you!
@cherishmycloset88978 күн бұрын
Only old people with a certain bent watch “Christian” television. The actual demand is met on KZread and we’re all watching Mike Winger 🤷🏽♀️. You can compare the numbers/ratings. More people listen to Mike Winger than watch CNN let alone “Christian television”. Definitely call out all these crazy heretics on tv but don’t fixate on it like all charismatics are watching that. Most Christian charismatics don’t even know who Kenneth Copeland is. I found out about him from listening to you guys.
@cherishmycloset88978 күн бұрын
Why does Mike Brown not know anything about Kenneth Copeland and Benny Hinn? Why wouldn’t he educate himself at least to prepare for tors conversation? Cop out
@cherishmycloset88978 күн бұрын
You both still regard Mike Bickle as a friend? You first statement didn’t age well so you tried to cover it with a second and even worse statement. Mike Bickle is a pedophile, period. Unbelievable.
@joelp87589 күн бұрын
Yes, we believe the sufficiency of the Scriptures. And don’t deny what is in the scriptures we are commanded to do. We are in a spiritual battle and those oppressed by evil spirits need deliverance.
@Janalyn12129 күн бұрын
In the Bible also is explicit about not touching God's anointed and doing them no harm . Yes there are false teachers and false prophets, but you better make sure that they are because you may be making a false assumption against them and truly get yourself in trouble with the Lord. The true ones are the apple of his eye. To me some videos like these are just preparing people for the persecution of the true church! Be careful when you judge you could be judging unrighteous and against God's true anointed ones
@LifeClipsPodcast9 күн бұрын
Sorry, but Michael Brown has HEARD the TRUTH on countless occasions and STILL refuses to listen. That my friends is very very telling! Michael doesn't want the TRUTH of the gospel, he wants the truth of deception.
@annaujlaki-gyori365510 күн бұрын
If Luther is excused for his false teachings about Jews bc he didn't know it was a sin, will not other teachers will be excused if they didn't know their false teachings to be sin? This is a though question to wrestle with.
@annaujlaki-gyori365510 күн бұрын
I have been wondering myself about how I can trust Luther's take on many things when he was soo off about handling Jews. (I listened to a whole biography about Luther as a Protestant myself.) This is not to excuse false teachers. Just an honest question about how to discern who is legitimately interpreting the Bible.
@gordonsmithtof10 күн бұрын
The Problem with all you fundamental Christians is you waste to much energy and time in trying to prove your post and declare that you’re the truth when its not. The Islamic faith is increasing in numbers, and nothing is done about it all we do is fight among ourselves as Christian and showing disunity in the name of Jesus Christ. The Catholic church has been around for 2000 years and is now on its 266th Pope. All you who are talking will be dead in 50 to 60 years’ time but the church will continue its mission till Christ who founded the catholic church will return. The Church will not die out and it will still increase in numbers. STOP the attach on the catholic church which is the work of the Devil himself using all of you. Try to focus your attach on the Islamic Muslim faith which is increasing in number in the western world. That is where we as Christians Protestants and Catholic should focus out attach on not against one another - such stupid people making such videos.
@ShaneIrwin710 күн бұрын
So sad that Brown cannot see the plain and obvious about these worst of the charlatans. Just total blindness.
@JonahGhost10 күн бұрын
Sure he does. ““Go out and stand before me on the mountain,” the Lord told him. And as Elijah stood there, the Lord passed by, and a mighty windstorm hit the mountain. It was such a terrible blast that the rocks were torn loose, but the Lord was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake. And after the earthquake there was a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire. And after the fire there was the sound of a gentle whisper.” 1 Kings 19:11-12 NLT “Take my yoke upon you. Let me teach you, because I am humble and gentle at heart, and you will find rest for your souls.” Matthew 11:29 NLT
@AmericanGospel10 күн бұрын
@@JonahGhost this verse is addressed in the series. If you continue the passage you’ll understand the context: After the earthquake a fire, but the LORD was not in the fire; and after the fire a sound of a gentle blowing. When Elijah heard it, he wrapped his face in his mantle and went out and stood in the entrance of the cave. And behold, a voice came to him and said, “What are you doing here, Elijah?” - 1 Kings 19:12-13 The voice sounded like a whisper or a gentle blowing because the Lord was outside of the cave, speaking from there, and Elijah was inside unable to hear it clearly. When Elijah moved outside of the cave, he heard the voice of the Lord audibly and clearly. The point of this series to show that you cannot support the idea that God speaks to people in “whispers” in the sense of impressions, nudging, etc. in your head that you have to somehow learn to discern from your own thoughts. There’s no teaching like that in Scripture.
@JonahGhost10 күн бұрын
@@AmericanGospel I understand the verse. We all have different perspectives which equips us for the unique works God has planned for us. BTW I totally agree with the dangers of HVG theology. Not the way you approach it though.
@jamestiffany353110 күн бұрын
When will this be available on KZread?? I'm pumped for this discussion.
@uncletacosupreme702310 күн бұрын
Lol Im sorry but his demeanor is totally different sitting in the likes of Peters. Brown is crawfishing hard. Also if this "area" is not your ministry, dont jump in.
@uncletacosupreme702310 күн бұрын
Man I needed this chapter this week. I have been so stressed and overwhelmed in my ministry. Thank you guys for all your work.
@uncletacosupreme702310 күн бұрын
Caring about souls means that you care if they bust hell wide open. And according to scripture, they all will.
@xiaoxiao508411 күн бұрын
I listened to Todd White once, and he did preach about Jesus
@felixguerrero606212 күн бұрын
Of course all brown did is engage is shameless whataboutisms...even resorting to an antisemitism redherring
@jamesochieng-tk3mc12 күн бұрын
The best thing is that Father, JESUS CHRIST is always watching,,only time will tell
@felixguerrero606212 күн бұрын
Brown is defending the indefensible. (I am a full blown pentecostal).
@mmtas199513 күн бұрын
I have meditated on this for a few months. To label someone a false teacher or prophet is not damning them to hell, which only God can do. Jim Osmon is merely applying an appropriate label to someone (Hinn) who claims to be a prophet and healer sent from the God of the Bible, whose prophetic fruit clearly does not line up with scripture. A person can be sincere in what they believe, such as Sid Roth, and even Michael Brown, but they can be sincerely wrong biblically speaking, because they emphasize certain truths scripturally over many other passages. They can become so persuaded by their own exceptional and selective interpretation of scripture, mesmerized by their own spirit and feelings which they have trained to respond in a certain way regardless of the other biblical truths that confront them, they have become hardened to biblically objective truth which would help them to acknowledge something is wrong. How can Brown say that Roth genuinely cares about souls when he promotes and markets the most egregious false prophetic revelatory materials and their authors to his scripturally ignorant, deceived and/or unbelieving audiences?
@mrr141613 күн бұрын
I hear the heart of Storm and Brown, but some things are obvious. This didn't age well for them. John 7:24.
@JonahGhost14 күн бұрын
A true prophet never calls himself or labels himself a prophet. People just start calling them a prophet due to the anointing God leaves on them.
@dmitriikilishek14 күн бұрын
Those guys are gonna tell what God must do?! When was the last time they heard themselves?
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There's a difference between being a genuine believer and being in error regarding Biblical teachings, being in error does not prove one is not saved just like believeing in the right teaching does not prove one is saved.
“I know Mike Bickle to the depths of his soul. I have never known a more Godly man.” - Sam Storm “Either Mike Bickle is a true man of God, or he’s a pathological liar.” - Sam Storm
Essential and insightful discussion Gents. I have learned much from brother Justin since I discovered his works some time back, but I appreciate you all. We must expose the false teachers and guide them to the word of God in the scriptures.
1:20:28 - Everybody can agree with this surely? Copeland doing his thing. Those eyes 👀 alone are just way off. And then he speaks. 😳
JESUS IS THE DEVIL
Satan is king
Someone point me to a video where a “NAR leader”, or anyone for that matter, actually endorses or confesses to being “NAR”. I see the teachings everywhere in the Charismatic movement… but never see anyone actually saying they are NAR or endorse NAR…?
@@RandomBoxingGuy see Che Ahn’s book “Modern Day Apostles” and everyone who endorses it.
When is this coming out??? It’s been saying “soon” for awhile??
@@RandomBoxingGuy we finally got all the concluding statements sent last night. We’re at the mercy of everyone’s Summer schedules :)
@@AmericanGospel 👍 Can’t wait. These roundtables type discussions are Gold! I’d like to see one with the “Demon Slayers”…. Maybe get Pagani and Signorelli on one side and Peters and Osman on the other?
@@AmericanGospel I just noticed it dropped on the app, watching it now!!! Thanks guys, I got my 🍿 and Bible ready!
Maybe I missed it, but I've yet to see any of the men who were in ministerial fellowship with JD Hall call him out by name. This is VERY telling to me.
@@kerryh5456 I believe Justin and Chris Rosebrough have.
@@AmericanGospel last I checked JP had not. Can you point me to his statement on that situation? CR has no credibility in my book.
Amen! In our 40+ years in ministry (mostly in Europe) we have seen people delivered from the power of Satan as they repented and believed the Scriptures. Walking in the Word, filled with the Holy Spirit, the evil one does not touch us.
I pray Dr. Brown will reconsider what he said at - marker 2:12:08. As a leader in the Charismatic circles yes he needs to do the research. His very next words are about Mike Bickle being a fine Christian man. I agree with what Jim Osman had previously said - Yes, we need men like Dr. Brown and Sam Storms to stand up and call these things out. So many are being hurt in the church and leaving the church with no direction. I do believe the Gifts are still for today. The current structure in many Charismatic churches leaves an open door for abuses and extremism. Disappointed at what seems to be Dr. Brown using most of the time defending himself, and not a lot of scriptural discussion. Continually speaking of how many books he has written and places he has traveled. Justin Peters, Jim Osman, and Sam Storms did an amazing job of keeping their answers based on scripture.
They went around in circles for 4 hours and managed to misidentify the main questions. So many irrelevant points being emphasized.
it's a real shame that M.B. gets yo shrug off the proof his friends are snake oil salesman, false teachers and wolves who grave suck at many false teacher's of past with NO real rebuttle biblical or not. MEANWHILE, the critics of the NAR, word of faith habe to defned M.L.
By listen to this i see that Brown and Storms don't care if anything is true or false by not understanding the bigger picture that these lost souls will not go to heaven because they are being deceived.
Where to watch the whole film?😢
@@palesamakoala3113 www.americangospelfilm.com/watch-christ-alone-ag1.html
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The Holy Spirit is given as a seal at the moment of faith. Ephesians 1:13 It is the Holy Spirit in us that produces good works Galatians 5:22 At faith we are new creations made in Christ for good works that God prepared for us to do. He prepared them and he helps us do them with the Spirit who guarantees our salvation Ephesians 1:14, 2:10
This is ANOTHER SPIRIT
It's more than a little frustrating to me that Pastor Sam and Dr. Brown spent hours playing defense; defending the faith against this individual and that individual's doctrine and (so far) not once mentioned the pariah and Pharisidical doctrine that is cessationism. You saw how unwilling they were to speak ill of Luther, make them defend their cessationist positions; so rooted in unbelief that their churches are dying on the vine, lifeless and dry.
I would speak with yall, but I am nobody, and I want to stay that way. I dont need any recognition, I just want to glorify God and share the Gospel. But I am on the charasmatic side, but I quickly rejected things that I have seen yall criticize.
I believe the Bible is the perfect word of God. I believe everything must be checked for biblical standing. But not everything is in there. Do you cast off all medicine because it came from man. What about cooking or nutrition. How about dating and marriage. Marriage exists and there is some guidance but it could bw interpretted in many ways, and has been. What about work, how do I choose what work to do? What about building, inventing, engineering, computers. Do we cast all that off and only build according to what God has laid out in the Bible? And dont even get me started in how we in our society by in large do not live biblically even to what it does outline. Anything that goes against the teaching of the Bible must be rejected. Even if it is a principal but not specifically outlined. For instance, even though the bible does not explicitely speak against spousal abuse, we understand it is clearly taught when taking in the myriad scriptures such as Ephesians 5, Collassians 3, 1 Corinthians 13, and the kost obvious the two greatest commandments that Jesus gave us. And I would also say anything of a spiritual nature should even more be submitted to the authority of the Bible. Lest we go off the rails which has clearly happened all too often. Yet, is there no place for any knowledge of man that is not explicitely stated in scripture? Scripture does not tell you to make videos about false teachings, as far as I know it doesnt say to study the false teachings and come up with solid refutations for them. In fact, I bet we could find thousands of things you do that are extra biblical. But that does not mean they dont line up with what the Bible teaches. I am glad you and your team are calling out false teachers and prophets, but I just cant get on board with that. Someone could easily take what you taught and say them we should refuse medical treatment because antibiotics are not in the Bible even though that means the person dies. You should be very careful stating such sweeping things. You are a teacher, you are held to a higher standard by God.
John 10 v 10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
Luke 6 v 37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
Seeing sick people literally has nothing to do with whether or not their are healings. This is anechdotal, but I had been to many churches that are under the Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Calvary Chapel, and non-denominational, And in all the time over years I kever saw one single case of verified healing. Since being in mor charasmatic circles, not NAR or Word of Faith at all, I have witnessed several fully verified healings including my own. And I have witnessed many more that I think were real. And on top of that, I know many in both circles that have had similar experiences. And to me that aligns with the text of the Bible.
Am I crazy or are Justin and Jim saying because they dont think these things can happen that makes it false teaching. Because that is not a biblical argument at all. I am not defending anyone, because I would call many of the names mentioned false prophets and teachers. But make a biblical arguement. How can you basically defend Martin Luther but then condemn these people because they make claims you cant believe. Which none of them so far have been anywhere near resurrection, which is in the Bible.
@@mikaockerman832 let’s take Jesus playing a saxophone as part of the endless revelations that Kevin Zadai has received from his visits to Heaven. In the context of the show, Jesus told him to breathe in the Holy Spirit and it allowed him to play the sax with an “anointing”. He’s now selling these saxophone albums with this idea that you can experience the presence of God, or receive a miracle while listening. This is selling miracles. On top of this Kevin’s visits to Heaven contradict Scripture. The Apostle Paul had a heavenly experience, but wasn’t allowed to tell anyone any details about it. He was also given a thorn in his flesh to keep him from boasting. Kevin is claiming to surpass the Apostle Paul, and is freely boasting of his absurd and false revelations. That’s how we can Biblical know they are false- man-centered, selfish motives, and pride all play a part. Also, Justin and Jim condemned Luther’s words as sin.
@AmericanGospel sure, assuming that's true, that's extremely terrible, destructive to people, the Gospel, and His Kingdom. And to he straight up, I've never heard of this guy, and it sounds like he has gone the wrong direction with it all, as have many. But that doesn't seem like the argument they are making at times. Even with the Kevin guy, he didn't explain as you have, which would only take a minute or two. Once the context is exhausting self and enrichment, then it becomes obvious. As to Paul, yep he did say that, wouldn't even actually fully specific that it was him even. At the same time, we can look at Jacob, Ezekiel, Daniel, and then John of times God revealed things to be shared. Yet, I am very reupctant about people that go on air about it, that seems like so often it is a sign of bad motives. I would not share.my experience except with people however God leads, but pretty sure they would call me a liar and heretic if I did. Which to me that is just as problematic as the other side. Imagine telling someone they are a liar because they believe God showed them something. Even though dreams and visions are prophesied and in the Bible. What if they believe that lie and reject God because of it? Just as many are hurt badly by the deceptions of those peddling miracles, people are also hurt by unbelief and thinking they are crazy rather than learning to accept and recieve what God has given. Both sides leave us open to the enemy, I think.
Firstly, it's not just supply and demand. It's monetization of supply. It's easier to manipulate people with false hope that it is to sell them true teaching that will convict them. Second, the Bible teaches that there will be many false teachers and people will seek after it. Wide is the road Jesus said. That is not really evidence of anything except the Bible was completely correct.
Did they say one of them doesn't believe God speaks to people, I wonder what the context is.
Where can I watch this installment of American gospel?
@@laur3n1124 it’s not completed yet. This was our update in March: www.americangospelfilm.com/ag3-production-blog/ag3-season-1-update-32224
@@AmericanGospel thank you!
Only old people with a certain bent watch “Christian” television. The actual demand is met on KZread and we’re all watching Mike Winger 🤷🏽♀️. You can compare the numbers/ratings. More people listen to Mike Winger than watch CNN let alone “Christian television”. Definitely call out all these crazy heretics on tv but don’t fixate on it like all charismatics are watching that. Most Christian charismatics don’t even know who Kenneth Copeland is. I found out about him from listening to you guys.
Why does Mike Brown not know anything about Kenneth Copeland and Benny Hinn? Why wouldn’t he educate himself at least to prepare for tors conversation? Cop out
You both still regard Mike Bickle as a friend? You first statement didn’t age well so you tried to cover it with a second and even worse statement. Mike Bickle is a pedophile, period. Unbelievable.
Yes, we believe the sufficiency of the Scriptures. And don’t deny what is in the scriptures we are commanded to do. We are in a spiritual battle and those oppressed by evil spirits need deliverance.
In the Bible also is explicit about not touching God's anointed and doing them no harm . Yes there are false teachers and false prophets, but you better make sure that they are because you may be making a false assumption against them and truly get yourself in trouble with the Lord. The true ones are the apple of his eye. To me some videos like these are just preparing people for the persecution of the true church! Be careful when you judge you could be judging unrighteous and against God's true anointed ones
Sorry, but Michael Brown has HEARD the TRUTH on countless occasions and STILL refuses to listen. That my friends is very very telling! Michael doesn't want the TRUTH of the gospel, he wants the truth of deception.
If Luther is excused for his false teachings about Jews bc he didn't know it was a sin, will not other teachers will be excused if they didn't know their false teachings to be sin? This is a though question to wrestle with.
I have been wondering myself about how I can trust Luther's take on many things when he was soo off about handling Jews. (I listened to a whole biography about Luther as a Protestant myself.) This is not to excuse false teachers. Just an honest question about how to discern who is legitimately interpreting the Bible.
The Problem with all you fundamental Christians is you waste to much energy and time in trying to prove your post and declare that you’re the truth when its not. The Islamic faith is increasing in numbers, and nothing is done about it all we do is fight among ourselves as Christian and showing disunity in the name of Jesus Christ. The Catholic church has been around for 2000 years and is now on its 266th Pope. All you who are talking will be dead in 50 to 60 years’ time but the church will continue its mission till Christ who founded the catholic church will return. The Church will not die out and it will still increase in numbers. STOP the attach on the catholic church which is the work of the Devil himself using all of you. Try to focus your attach on the Islamic Muslim faith which is increasing in number in the western world. That is where we as Christians Protestants and Catholic should focus out attach on not against one another - such stupid people making such videos.
So sad that Brown cannot see the plain and obvious about these worst of the charlatans. Just total blindness.
Sure he does. ““Go out and stand before me on the mountain,” the Lord told him. And as Elijah stood there, the Lord passed by, and a mighty windstorm hit the mountain. It was such a terrible blast that the rocks were torn loose, but the Lord was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake. And after the earthquake there was a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire. And after the fire there was the sound of a gentle whisper.” 1 Kings 19:11-12 NLT “Take my yoke upon you. Let me teach you, because I am humble and gentle at heart, and you will find rest for your souls.” Matthew 11:29 NLT
@@JonahGhost this verse is addressed in the series. If you continue the passage you’ll understand the context: After the earthquake a fire, but the LORD was not in the fire; and after the fire a sound of a gentle blowing. When Elijah heard it, he wrapped his face in his mantle and went out and stood in the entrance of the cave. And behold, a voice came to him and said, “What are you doing here, Elijah?” - 1 Kings 19:12-13 The voice sounded like a whisper or a gentle blowing because the Lord was outside of the cave, speaking from there, and Elijah was inside unable to hear it clearly. When Elijah moved outside of the cave, he heard the voice of the Lord audibly and clearly. The point of this series to show that you cannot support the idea that God speaks to people in “whispers” in the sense of impressions, nudging, etc. in your head that you have to somehow learn to discern from your own thoughts. There’s no teaching like that in Scripture.
@@AmericanGospel I understand the verse. We all have different perspectives which equips us for the unique works God has planned for us. BTW I totally agree with the dangers of HVG theology. Not the way you approach it though.
When will this be available on KZread?? I'm pumped for this discussion.
Lol Im sorry but his demeanor is totally different sitting in the likes of Peters. Brown is crawfishing hard. Also if this "area" is not your ministry, dont jump in.
Man I needed this chapter this week. I have been so stressed and overwhelmed in my ministry. Thank you guys for all your work.
Caring about souls means that you care if they bust hell wide open. And according to scripture, they all will.
I listened to Todd White once, and he did preach about Jesus
Of course all brown did is engage is shameless whataboutisms...even resorting to an antisemitism redherring
The best thing is that Father, JESUS CHRIST is always watching,,only time will tell
Brown is defending the indefensible. (I am a full blown pentecostal).
I have meditated on this for a few months. To label someone a false teacher or prophet is not damning them to hell, which only God can do. Jim Osmon is merely applying an appropriate label to someone (Hinn) who claims to be a prophet and healer sent from the God of the Bible, whose prophetic fruit clearly does not line up with scripture. A person can be sincere in what they believe, such as Sid Roth, and even Michael Brown, but they can be sincerely wrong biblically speaking, because they emphasize certain truths scripturally over many other passages. They can become so persuaded by their own exceptional and selective interpretation of scripture, mesmerized by their own spirit and feelings which they have trained to respond in a certain way regardless of the other biblical truths that confront them, they have become hardened to biblically objective truth which would help them to acknowledge something is wrong. How can Brown say that Roth genuinely cares about souls when he promotes and markets the most egregious false prophetic revelatory materials and their authors to his scripturally ignorant, deceived and/or unbelieving audiences?
I hear the heart of Storm and Brown, but some things are obvious. This didn't age well for them. John 7:24.
A true prophet never calls himself or labels himself a prophet. People just start calling them a prophet due to the anointing God leaves on them.
Those guys are gonna tell what God must do?! When was the last time they heard themselves?