Maritime Sword School Moncton
Maritime Sword School Moncton
Welcome!
My name is Miles Kinnee, and I have a little Historical European Martial Arts club in a remote little corner of Canada, Moncton new Brunswick.
One of my friends, Luke Arbuckle and myself founded the first MSS club in Charlottetown PEI, life happened, Luke moved on, and I relocated to Moncton. Evan Hill and Rafael Agguire took over in Charlottetown, and I started quietly working on our Moncton club. Shortly there after, Phil Swift joined the family with Terra Nova school of Swords in St. John's Newfoundland
We are now three clubs, we keep growing, and our students need MORE RESOURCES. So, this channel was born.
i hope you subscribe and join me on this journey.
As a HEMA pioneer in a remote area, I believe I have a lot to offer for people who are trying to get started, so please, don't hesitate to reach out. We are all in this together.
Cheers,
Miles
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I have never found these videos, and I spend a lot of time in the swordtube! Thank you! Haven't watched it yet, so it's interesting to see how you guys interpret Roworth. Also maybe I get ideas for my forthcoming lesson.
muchas gracias, vamos a poner en practica su generosa colaboración saludos desde Ecuador
1) As for any sport, be sure to ask your Coaches and especially any Club Coaches about their current qualifications & as well as what sport professional bodies they belong to. Lots of physical activities might be fun or exhausting, but opting for only trained Coaches abiding by my ethical guidelines is again and again the only viable longterm option. Check out the formal Sport Coaching body in Canada and the Level 1 & Level 2 Coach requirements: coach.ca 2) Ask Club Coaches very upfront questions around pricing, seating capacity & signing up for waitlists, expectations, and gear requirements. Proper Sports clubs will be able to tell you specific answers while informal sports clubs are less organized and less fair in their standards here. 3) Ask how long a typical member stays, and more importantly why most potential members leave (or don't join). If the answers seem avoidant, scapegoating, or just inconsistent, then find another club with better culture... which is part of what Club Coaches are supposed to handle effectively. 4) Use your own judgement on the overall experience when trying out a sports club at every level or contact point: weekly sessions, communications beforehand, culture among members, reasonable pricing & expectations, how conflict is handled, how larger seasonal programs or tournaments are handled, etc. If you don't thoroughly enjoy the sports club on every level, then deeply reconsider joining (especially before making expensive commitments of gear or programming fees).
Intresting to See, thank you a lot for you interpretation of Roworth manual. Only thin I ask my self is, if you do not use sometimes the elbows to much. As Roworth wrote "bending the arm must be avoided".
You're not wrong! : )
2 years laterthis was just what i needed!! thanks so much!
Miles! I just found these video's and they are awesome! Please keep them coming. They are an excellent run through of how to train solo if you have to or are temporarily away from your club. I noticed it's been awhile since you posted these are some of the best videos out there. Not flashy but to the point and makes sense. THank you so much!!!
Thx dude! I couldn't Really keep up the momentum during the pandemic, but I've got high hopes of doing a German longsword series some day!
@@maritimeswordschoolmoncton6513 Excellent to hear!! The pandemic really put a stopper on alot of things =( I got to tell you these really re-motivated me to get back to moving, getting in shape and swinging my sword! no pun intended LOL =) I joined a HEMA club right before the pandemic started and i was way out of shape and it was getting me moving and i had a really hard time keep up. I am looking forward to using your videos to get back into a healthier state, practicing and getting back to the club. Thanks again brother! =)
@@kalaitzidis0731 awesome dude!!! Let me know how it goes!
Love this training Miles, thanks for all your broadsword stuff. Fantastic work!
Thank you so much!!
Will you do similar videos about other great fencing authors? Thanks for sharing this content !
I've been considering doing a second series! Thank you!
Very interesting tutorial ! I will see the 3 videos
This is a great subject for someone like me that wants to get into HEMA. My wife looked at me like I was crazy for wanting to get started. Apparently she thinks swinging swords at people is dangerous. Have no idea where she got the idea. But in all seriousness I am getting older and getting into a sport where everyone seems to have gotten a injury at least once makes me hesitant to be honest. Though contusions seems to be par of the course. They can sometimes be serious. That's also a lot of head injuries. No matter what the level head injuries are almost always serious and I'd rather be able to say my grandkids names by the time they exist. Found this video by researching the prevalence of injuries. I'll take it as a good reason to take safety extremely serious.
Hi Miles, What is the antique sword you show in the video? it looks fantastic.
It's an 1867 Swiss officers sabre www.vancouvergunshop.com/swiss-officer-sword-1867-1889-era/
HEMA novice there: Are injuries systematically monitored yearly by every HEMA organization in each country according to activity (tournaments, courses, etc.) ?
They are not! I think we'll see that start to develop as the sport aspect develops. Modern HEMA is still pretty knew, and is defined figuring things out as it goes. I think that given time, injury reporting will become more of the norm.
Thanks for this! Excellently done. Also, you might have the most soothing voice in all of HEMA on KZread :)
That's so cool! Thanks!!!
Hey Miles love your content. I study saber but I see a real future in smallsword as a bridge to HEMA as an Olympic event. Because it can be on a wireless score keeper and because you can wear sleeker astheticly pleasing gear it is to a marketing eye more accessible. I think if given enough attention smallsword with grappling could be quite the event. It has enough in common with modern fencing to draw from that pool and is seen as lower risk to the untrained eye to recruit students to HEMA. Of course HEMA hivemind would have to show smallsword in a "cool" light which I don't think enough of us do. But it could open up the rest of HEMA to a very large audience do to perceived accessibility.
That's interesting, we are actually starting to work on smallsword at our clubs. We want to see if there is interest in a lower impact option like smallsword. It's an enjoyable style with a high skill ceiling.
@@maritimeswordschoolmoncton6513 Not sure how close I am to your locations but I am not so very far from Nova Scotia. Would be cool to see your club once travel is permitted. I do see lots of promise in smallsword and wish your club the best with it. I hope to soon be a promoter of smallsword in some capacity.
@@aggroalex5470 that sounds great! Looking forward to meeting!
FWIW, a laceration could be a simple scrape caused by fencing in a tee shirt. I wouldn't necessarily consider it an "extreme" wound. I've gotten several over the years, none of which I would consider remotely medically significant.
Ratio of injury is way lower now than in the past. The poll didn't allowed to record data regarding date.
I agree! The lack of time period is a critical issue with this survey. To really track trends, the standard even seen in other sports is yearly reporting. That's a big ask for such a disparate community.
After watching this, I am convinced that "epee de combat" (19th century/early 20th century first blood epee duels) was a safer activity. I suspect first blood saber duels of the period may have been just as "safe." Beating each other with crow bar like weapon simulators might turn out to be more dangerous than actually taking off your shirt and agreeing to fight another man with a pointed epee or a slim bladed saber. Go figure. I was quite surprised about the level of injuries in competitions versus training you mentioned in your video. I think you said 29% in tournaments, which for me is really high. If we count the total time a person practices in a club every week (4 hours? at best) compared with their time in a competition, the 29% you give, is actually quite high. I doubt very much that the amount of reported injuries is proportional to the amount of time spent sparring in one's club. Thank you for sharing this. I look forward to more data on the subject and encourage all who have read this far into my comment to seriously consider less protective gear and even the possibility of using sharps for their sparring. We can learn a lot from what happened to Filipino martial arts beginning in the early 80's /late 70's when they invented their protective gear. Winning at Modern WEKAF has little to do with the techniques taught by the FMA masters, who sparred with rattan sticks and no protective gear. Sometimes, the best way to prevent injuries might actually be increasing the risk of receiving them.
Thanks for watching and weighing in, that's a really interesting perspective. I totally agree with you about calibration in tournaments, and I actually think that high level karate really shows an amazing blend of speed, appropriate force, and technique. I'm really interested in what you say about FMA, I really don't know much about that world.
@@maritimeswordschoolmoncton6513 FMA is a strange world. I am not Filipino nor do I have any connections with people of Filipino descent. What I can say is that I have about 9 or 10 books on the matter and even trained in it for about a year or two. I used my sport saber fencing skills to win a FMA tournament once and they were not very happy about it. This particular event was quite strange in that it allowed muay thai style kicks. Normally, they fight three one minute rounds of continous fighting and there is no physical contact other than the checking hand. There are some formats that stop after a hit as in fencing, but these are less common. Given that the protective gear makes you basically unphasable by a stick strike, it typically turns into a pillow fight scenario. This particular event was rather unfair in that the typical FMA body armor isn't very good against kicks to the body, so the kickboxer they paired me up against had a bit of an advantage. He basically, ko'ed his opponents in the preliminary round with repeated kicks to the legs and body. I just hopped around and whacked the shit out of the kickboxers legs with my stick every time he tried to kick me and then in the second and third rounds, I snap cut him with the stick while avoiding his rather wide blows. That said, I think there are a lot of lessons to be learned when looking at FMA, especially aspects such as over zealous patriotism, inhibiting them from accepting a very evedent reality that Spanish Fencing influenced their arts or the very common "crabs in a bucket" mentality which pits all their different schools against each other, forgetting that together they might actually do better. I think the Dog Brothers group did a lot to open them up but then again, those guys too, need to take away the mask and hockey gloves for their bouts because most of the time it just ends up being mma style ground game but with sticks. I hope that helps and I hope I piss off some people too. If any FMA practitioner is offended by this, I will be willing to resolve it with sharp blade in hand but I will use a sharp saber or perhaps a rapier and dagger against your "espada y daga."
Thanks for this! Really beneficial! One thing you might want to consider doing, and I think you can do it with the data you already have, is to do some crosstabs! One that comes to mind is seeing how severe different injury types were by crossing injury type or injury area by injury severity. Could help to empirically identify the most high-risk injuries.
thank you
I hope this isn't seen as taking a jab at the presenter, but are these results available in text and graph for anywhere? It would be very helpful to have the information available in writing so that it isn't necessary to skip through the video and pause to view the tables.
I'll release the data in .pdf in due time! Part of this for me was trying to release the information into the wild in a constructive way. I am really worried about someone taking this information out of context. I feel that initially releasing these responses in a brief graphical format could have resulted in an alarmist atmosphere, where people would jump to conclusions about the information. By initially releasing in the form of a presentation, it allows me to provide the context of the information, being forth coming about the information not being scientific, and pointing out the flaws I see in each item as it is presented. I hope that helps you understand why I chose the current format. Thanks for your comment!
@@maritimeswordschoolmoncton6513 I think I understand your thinking but I'm not sure I follow. I work in clinical research and this is counter intuitive to me but that may be due to my constant skepticism in data. I'm accustomed to the standard publication formatting which typically contains sections discussing the shortcomings or potential issues with the data collection process and conclusions that can be drawn as well as potential misinterpretations. The risk for misinterpretation is inherent in any publication of data unfortunately, but providing raw data points with zero interpretation tends to allow for different approaches to the data to come to light for discussion (diversity in context and concern). Again, not a jab, just a stylistic difference.
@@derekgill8161 I specifically set out not to draw conclusions. I think that's a path fraught with peril, not least of which is attempting to deal with backlash for said suggestions. Look at the current situation: there is absurd backlash from a small group for presenting this information in the least alarmist way possible. I specifically eased people into this information, and the HEMA alliance Facebook group managed to detail the conversation. It's a rare gift! Imagine how I could have structured this message around that 95% injury statistic, or 1 in 20 injuries being rated as severe. Imagine how that would be interpreted and construed. Imagine that on day one that data is running rampant with zero context. Imagine if I dared to suggest solutions! Calamity! All that is to say, there is no format that pleases everyone. I've been very clear that this is not scientific and that I am actively seeking out professionals to take on the work. Maybe this is an opportunity for you to apply your skills to your hobby!
@@maritimeswordschoolmoncton6513 I appreciate your efforts here. Your intent is understandable but some constructive criticism from having reviewed thousands of publications and trials; If you put out data, you can preface the data with the context of the cross section of the survey population. Anyone with experience analyzing and interpreting data knows that the numbers without their identifier don't mean anything. The unfortunate flaw of publishing any kind of accessible data is how easily it can be turned into sensationalist misinterpretations. Backlash should be expected regardless, but that is why a Discussions section is so helpful if you are aiming for a publication. Again, no jabs taken from my side, but this release format tends to stir a lot of backlash in most cases as people want to take a look at the data at their own pace prior to a discussion on it. Thanks for your response.
I agree with@@derekgill8161 here. I actually think this release format encouraged a lot more negative feedback than an article would have-unfortunately, the video here makes it much easier to take the data out of context, since it's much harder to look directly at the data this way. I think it's a great effort, and a valuable contribution, but a very poor choice of media for this kind of project.
Good stuff! Glad to have taken part.
Thank you so much! It was really great how folks showed a lot on interest in this.
I find it telling that the vast majority of comments on the HEMA Alliance page are focused on criticizing presentation style rather than thoughtfully analyzing the 58 concussions or the 5% of injuries that were graded as 5 out of 5 severe. I think it speaks volumes to HEMA safety culture that when presented with actual data, the impulse is to attack, not even the messanger, but the messanger's font selection. Despite the critics, congratulations on this important work. I'm sure it took you a long time to compile, and hopefully some good will come of it.
I'm so glad you said this. It reflects how I feel right now. Thank you for your kind words. I hope we can approach this information how it is intended - raising awareness and pointing out something constructive we can all work on.
i am pretty surprised that HEMA practitioners are not at 100% of 'injuries' if bruises count as 'injury' this really means that it is quite skewed in some way (misunderstanding of the questions by the subject and so forth) it is also intersting to see how much less people are accpting risk in different sports, like riding, for instance. (losing fingers is fairly common, and losing friends as well)
I think this preliminary survey really gets the mind working and hopefully sets the stage for some professionals to take on a more scientific survey.
If you were to structure another survey, I think it would be beneficial to tie the injury to the weapon, that way you can drill further down into the data. So for each injury they list, almost have them go through the survey again on the injury. That way you can see “oh rapier fighters are getting injured on their left hand more than their chest”. Data like that helps event organizers change their rules to make fighting safer and cleaner.
Great advice! At this point it's really up in the air if I continue, I'm not convinced the community wants that, I guess we'll see!
Maritime Sword School Moncton I think the community does want that, and I think some of the better ones to reach out to are Sean Franklin and SwordSTEM as their whole purpose is the data behind these things.
@@LeafNolan Sean Franklin is the ideal person! I've been hoping he would come out of the woodwork!
Maritime Sword School Moncton He’s not the most active I’ve seen on social media, better to go to him directly
Thanks for doing this Miles!
My pleasure, Jennifer! If no one does it, it'll never get done! : )
Which trainers you use commonly: some sort of synthetic trainer? some sort of wood trainer? rattan? other martial arts trainers like shinai? Aluminum? Steel?
More great stuff! Thanks!!
On injury severity?: Skin breaking? profuse bleeding? organ bruising? permanent damage? length for recovery after injury?
More great stuff!
Also Pre-existing conditions and/or injuries before practicing/training in HEMA for the first time? General physical condition? Any experience on other combat/contact sports and/or martial arts previous to starting HEMA?
Questions that may help round up data in future: Age group?How long have you being practicing/training in HEMA?How often you train? How often you spar? How often you compete on tournaments?
Great input! Thank you so much!
1/3 requiring after-care... wonder how many more required it but ignored it...
I totally agree, Ian!!!
Hey Miles, Thank you for all the effort you are putting into this! I also responded to the survey and I thought your questions were pretty well thought out for a first sample survey. I'll definitely be following along ! :) All the best, Peter
Delightful! Thank you Peter!
Well done. An important start.
Thank you, Simon! I really appreciate the kind words!
Science! It's cool.
It really is! I suck at it! But it's the best!
Fab Miles!
Great job Miles! Keep up the great work buddy 😃👍❤
Thanks dude!!!!
Will there be another one? Thank you for this great content.
Awesome routine. I just started longsword and trying to find a routine has been difficult. Thank you very much for this.
Rad dude! Glad you are getting some use out of it!!
Hi. Just a suggestion.... You could use something called a 'Plumber's Rubber O Ring' to stop the guard from moving. You'd just need to go to a DIY/Plumbing shop to get the correct size so it's a tight fit on the stick.
Thanks. I was looking for a solution.
Great vid mate 👍
Great vid! Gonna try these out
That's great man! Make sure to grab the drill list from the documents, it expands on the steps a little!
Out of curiousity. With the way roworth describes it should there be as much elbow movement as shown? You also keep your elbow quite bent and the hand low in the guards, curious if this is just interpretation or based on the plates etc. Great work on the video!
Do as I say, not as I do, if you watch the final drill, I break up the wrist elbow and shoulder movements a little more clearly.
Oh, and the bent arm is pure interpretation. I don't like a fully extended arm for hewing systems. It's really more my style, being A primary KDF guy, I don't like to have my hand too exposed, and I like to lie about my reach. Beyond that, I think fully extended arm is sporty or relies on full hand protection in earnest, the majority of period swords had simple ward irons or stirrups, not full baskets. I just don't think a fully extended hand is martially sound when the hand is not completely protected. Beyond that, his plate for the inside guard from the 1824 shows a pretty darn bent elbow. As far as the low hand goes, he likes a low hand when throwing 1 and 2, a high hand when throwing 3 and 4.
I do something quite similar for my kids classes. Here's a link to my book on this: www.lulu.com/shop/john-jakelsky/fencing-with-foam-sabers-and-pool-noodles/paperback/product-23793893.html
Cool man!
interesting
Awesome! Love the video!
Thx dude!
Nice work!
Very nice drill set. I like the analysis at the end. Thanks!
Thx dude! Hope you follow along!
good video , very useful
Thanks man!
There's always that turkey who down votes...Good Lord, loosen up whoever thinks this is bad.
Lol, ikr? Imo - it's pretty high effort stuff. Someone didn't like how I talk, or my tattoos, or the fact that it's half an hour long. Whatever!
@@maritimeswordschoolmoncton6513 LOL! Right? I gotta say, Your video is like the most wholesome thing in HEMA today.
@@BladeFitAcademy you know what? I actually appreciate that. I want everyone to be able to enjoy it and use it, wether they are 12, or have English as a second language, or whatever. It's supposed bro be super accessible, hence all the support material. Thx dude!
Great video! subscribed! can you return me the favor, please?
Awesome Miles!
Thanks Julie,!!