Just picked up my Badger mount. 1.7 and I'm loving it.
@jw52976 күн бұрын
I have had really good luck with my MPS. Had 2 holosun enclosed fail, but for the cost, if the MPS cant stat operational, I will be going bsck to the RMR or irons! I went enclosee because of rain and snow, was at a class and saw the front lens of an ACRO pop out. Steiner makes really good optics and their warranty and service is impeccable.
@jw52976 күн бұрын
New sub, missed training at imapct shooting this year, hopefully can catch you next year. Have question about your set up, the Leopold LCO seems to be a cowitness RDS, I am running a holosun 512 and looking at going to a ftc magnifier, and curious of your thoughts today on a 3x or 5x in this application
@easternpromises799118 күн бұрын
After seeing way too many special army/police unit members running and recommending the Acro, I'm convinced your classes are about blacksmithing instead of shooting :))
@VeloxTrainingGroup18 күн бұрын
Possibly! Or (hot take), they don’t shoot as much as they say😂
@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw23 күн бұрын
Iron sight master race 🏆 LOL
@tizben23 күн бұрын
Unfortunately, i think all enclosed emitters still have issues. Ive heard issues with all of thrm, except the rmr one because its so new
@user-hz6ek2lc2w26 күн бұрын
Agree on the screw walking on the holosun.
@sayre455726 күн бұрын
Try out the new Vortex defender XL and ST.
@Semiautoautomatic_shaman27 күн бұрын
What brand is that swinger?
@VeloxTrainingGroup26 күн бұрын
I honestly forgot
@MortalQuambat25 күн бұрын
i’d be interested to know what kind it is too. I spent a buncha coin on the mgm one and not very happy with it.
@SAR031127 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@seengh27 күн бұрын
1) do you find that the long stroke system that’s become popular is too slow with heavier bullets? 2) do you find that - with the LS system - when reloading a topped off mag in a hot chamber (in the middle of a stage) that it can cause weird issues?
@jimcatpsu27 күн бұрын
Thank you for the ideas. Can you do one for those stuck at an indoor range with limited ability to transition or move? I try to use multiple small targets to "transition" to on my piece of cardboard but I know I am barely moving the gun. I also sometimes aim at a neighbors target and then transition to mine for the shot. Hopefully I will never screw that up and hit their target lol. Just trying to do the best I can with my situation.
@chap2330528 күн бұрын
This is madman stuff...
@cyeleeoptics29 күн бұрын
Awesome❤❤
@brianjarrell920329 күн бұрын
I love you, but this is starting to sound like a ‘you problem’ 😂
@bob677029 күн бұрын
The Swamp Fox Kraken
@boxerdad21429 күн бұрын
Sexy. Love my @decked @magpul
@Semiautoautomatic_shaman29 күн бұрын
You got bad luck with optics man 🤣 remind me to never let you touch one of mine
@holdovermedia29 күн бұрын
You have the old version of the MPS which had a horrible battery cap. They’ve since redesigned the battery cap, which can be identified by having a slightly domed shape on top unlike your flat one. Steiner has an excellent warranty department- I’ve sent 4 MPS back to them for non catastrophic failures and they always sent me a brand new replacement. I’ve since replaced all my MPS with the Lead & Steel PB-3. It combines the best of the Acro and MPS with some additional improvements. It’s built like a tank. So far so good
@codymarple109029 күн бұрын
Dig my 2 MPS’s. They break super regularly around 4-6k rounds but Steiner keeps replacing them so I’m on my 4th and 5th ones! Battery cap is also annoying
@jnix05.5629 күн бұрын
Dang...the luck, have optic for a year and forget about it. Just to find it one day and it's broken straight outta the box 😢
@josephsantana309429 күн бұрын
My agency has issued roughly around 150 P2s, plus many dozens of individual purchases and we’ve had very few issues or failures across a fairly large sample size. The MPS on the other hand has been pitifully bad with a ton of failures. They fail so often Steiner eventually sent us a small reserve supply of replacement optics to help keep officers up and running during warranty claims. Which was nice of them, but just speaks to how unreliable this optic is. As much as I’d love to run an SRO at work I’ve had issues with mine in the rain during matches. Enclosed emitter is still the way to go for certain uses and unfortunately the P2, 509T, and maybe RCR are the only viable options we have to choose from.
@cyeleeoptics29 күн бұрын
Try our Ghost Version☺️
@hopewilliams670529 күн бұрын
Way to throw yourself in there 😜
@2aholes402Ай бұрын
Don't have a closed emitter. If I where to get one of would be the holosun eps. Have you heard good things about that one?
@Vante512Ай бұрын
Jesus. That ACRO battery tray looks even WORSE than it looked on Instagram. In the enclosed segment: I’d say the 509T and the RCR are the only ones I haven’t really seen or heard wild issues with. Honorable mention the EPS but to me it’s a 509T variant. So I group them similarly. I wish we could get a bigger window 509T. Like an enclosed 507Comp. I’ve got 2 507Comps and I love them. I just dislike cleaning them daily. Yes. It’s a laziness thing, but I don’t care 😂
@low-caloriegaming5460Ай бұрын
try giving the holosun EPS a look I'm 6k rounds into mine and really enjoy it
@baddogg7783Ай бұрын
For 600 bucks I can get a blue labeled Glock and a Holosun haha
@BushLeagueflАй бұрын
Same exact result on the battery tray on the Steiner. Love it as a dot. Great to roll around in the dirt with and lay on. Battery tray sucks out loud. 😂
@NCTACOАй бұрын
So you are made that you need to carry a t10 torx or small flathead? Both should be in your range bag anyway
@VeloxTrainingGroupАй бұрын
Mad*, and no I’m not mad at all. Just stating facts.
@NCTACOАй бұрын
@@VeloxTrainingGroup so you don’t keep tools we get it
@AJohnSmithАй бұрын
“Dooty” grade.
@0v417Ай бұрын
never liked my holosuns but am looking to try the eps carry on my g43 once i get it milled. Acro P2 and RMR type 2 are the best optics i’ve used to date Steiner MPS is great too but the battery life is meh, yet to try the RCR hoping it’s as good as its predecessor.
@eleone6725Ай бұрын
Got a restock alert today from Omaha Outdoor, Trijicon RCRs are in.
@woodrowilson607Ай бұрын
I guess I’m the only delta point pro guy 🤷🏻♂️
@r3h4bАй бұрын
Ill likely be in the minority here, but as far as the mailbox RDS go, I like my L&S PB-3 more than my ACRO...but then again I prefer the SRO to both of those. I have a Platypus with a DPPro and the single button control makes me want to ND a full mag into the sky.
@chap23305Ай бұрын
This is why Holosun gets my money. Maybe they aren't the absolute best out there (although some could argue that), but the failure rate of pistol dots seems to be relatively high regardless of the manufacturer. Keeping that in mind, why would you ever pay $500+ for a pistol dot...
@rytacarmsАй бұрын
Dam 🤣the luck of the draw.
@not_that_jon_guyАй бұрын
Curious of your opinion on the Vortex Defender ST. Specifically the ST, not the original one, those are garbo.
@zaynemikita6897Ай бұрын
Yea sorry Nick, ive had nothing but great experiences with mine. They redesigned the battery cap so its way better now.
@chauhuynh426Ай бұрын
in the PNW you need a closed emitter red dot for sure
@VeloxTrainingGroupАй бұрын
Treat the glass and emitter with rainX👍🏼
@chauhuynh42627 күн бұрын
@@VeloxTrainingGroup i will def give that a try
@spectre.solutionsАй бұрын
you thought the worst was behind you with the MPS. Just wait until you deal with their customer service. You may never see that dot again...
@zaynemikita6897Ай бұрын
Interesting because I literally threw my MPS on concrete 50 times to test an optics plate. Still took 5k rounds to kill that optic. I sent it in and had a new one from Steiner in 3 days. Not sure but I've had nothing but excellent experience with them
@autonomousdefenseАй бұрын
I disagree with most of this. I agree it’s big and prints but that is it. If you dryfire and shoot heavily and to have solid grip and use your eyes properly reddots regardless of window size only act as a confirmation of what your eyes are looking at. If you direct mill the Acro to a Glock it’s very flat, the recoil impulse is pretty nice, Now if you throw the Acro on a plate on something like a PDP or a Sig it’s gonna move more because both those handguns cause it to sit higher and have more whippy recoil impulses the window size really is a none issue. If we’re talking reliability all these optics mentioned fail, I’ve seen plenty of 509s die from humidity getting inside the housing because of its battery tray design one student had it happen with 3 of them. The 507 has a pretty solid track record but it dies too. I’ve not seen many Acros die simply because most people don’t buy them, previously it was due to how few aimpoint produced and other dots were available on the market my competition Glock 17 which is factory outside of a minus connector in it has had an Acro p2 on it for 10k rounds so far and it’s been great, I like it a lot. I also like the SRO a lot but it doesn’t really matter to me which one I’m using because again, it just confirms what my eyes are doing. Also the battery cap thing just isn’t an issue, it’s not even worth mentioning. If you’re using a really sharp flat head made of tool steel you’ll damage it, if it isn’t so damaged you can’t unscrew it it doesn’t matter and I think it’s fair to say anyone who actually breaks guns keep tools on them, tools in kit, tools in the truck, tools in the range bag. In normal day to day life having a verity of simple tools helps with life in general so an optic I change the zero on almost never doesn’t really matter either.
@VeloxTrainingGroupАй бұрын
I’m glad you like it. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s by far the most broken optic I’ve seen in classes over the years. Sure everything breaks, but it’s not just a coincidence. If you think the window size is a nonissue, you probably need to shoot more to understand 🤷🏻♂️
@autonomousdefenseАй бұрын
@@VeloxTrainingGroup I think window size doesn’t mean everything. Sure question my shooting, whatever, I could question why you run PDP and especially own Sigs if we’re gonna talk about historical reliability problems. Us arguing for hours in a KZread chat isn’t gonna accomplish anything. I’ve seen all of these things fail plenty and I’m not a grand master uspsa shooter but I’m willing to bet a grand master running a Glock and an Acro wouldn’t care terribly much about it. I think they’d be far more interested in the actual shooting and training consistency that gives the results.
@VeloxTrainingGroupАй бұрын
@@autonomousdefense sure if you practice with it you could run it. That’s not what I’m arguing. What I’m saying is that dude you’re talking about, the acro would be last on his list. And for a good reason.
@VeloxTrainingGroupАй бұрын
@@autonomousdefense I’m classified at 94.6% in Carry Optics uspsa. I can run it. I choose not to because it sucks to use.
@autonomousdefenseАй бұрын
@@VeloxTrainingGroup I hear you. Just giving feedback on what I’ve seen, maybe later down the line I’ll also come to the conclusion the window size is a big enough problem in competition and switch. All the other issues mentioned are still on the table though, all these other optics fail plenty and if I had to pick another it would be the SRO, handguns that sit the optic higher do whip more under recoil so maybe that’s why I don’t notice it very much. I have tools on me wherever I go for both my guns and students guns if anything fails or needs to be worked on while at the range. there really isn’t enough reasons for me to stop using the Acro If I suck with it that sounds like my personal skill issue so I buy ammo and train. I also really like Glock and want to shoot them to a high level like Brantley over at trex. Doesn’t matter to me personally if it sucks im just gonna hammer that nail till I reach my goals in competition.
@DaBigBRАй бұрын
Top mount emitter on the MPS seems to significantly reduce false dots with the sun in the background, but makes for a lot of optic body in your field of view and a really cluttered window with tall irons. Using either no irons or a taller "normal" set works much better. Battery cap might be worse than the Acro - impossibly shallow and easily damaged with their tool. Battery life is not that good compared to much of what is out there. Also not a very bright dot unless you enable auto-shutoff (with auto-shutoff turned on you get access to max brightness, it is locked out of auto-shutoff is disabled. Glass clarity is great (probably why battery life sucks), buttons have good feel, the dot is the most astigmatism friendly one I've seen, and the design is eye catching, though.
@zachpfeifer7312Ай бұрын
SRO has a brightness lockout mode if you hold the + for like 5 seconds
@PnP-td1mtАй бұрын
The battery cap being messed up is your doing. Don’t try to use a rock to change the battery 😆 I have 1 on a Staccato Heritage 4.15” that had been perfect. The window size is irrelevant if your draw is good. I have video of my draws using the P2. Sub 1 second from safariland.. I am a huge fan of the 509T. I think it’s the best enclosed optic available currently. I run 1 on a 4.25” Prodigy
@VeloxTrainingGroupАй бұрын
Glad you like it! Window size has nothing to do with draw imo. And yes, the battery cap is messed up do to me using a flat head screw driver. For $600 I should be able to unscrew it with a 9mm case and it not get messed up. There’s some way nicer options, therefore, I don’t get the hype.
@kauaifishingtalesАй бұрын
MPS owners punching air rn
@Glonk_RespecterАй бұрын
Krouts punching the air right now lmao.
@robertrathbun4653Ай бұрын
Special tools get swallowed by the bottomless void of the range bag. STOP. REQUIRING. SPECIAL. TOOLS!
@chuckkuang91Ай бұрын
Here for the comments
@musicman1eandaАй бұрын
I've been liking my 508t since it replaced my RMR that I carried with for 5 years. Only thing I haven't liked are the brightness buttons. With the RMR buttons, it was very easy to quickly and discreetly change the brightness. The 508t buttons are quite tiny and take a little longer to find through clothing. I've also found that since both buttons are on the same side of the optic, I have to take another bit of extra time to check if I'm on the top or bottom button before pressing in adjustments while digging in a less discreet manner through my shirt.
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Just picked up my Badger mount. 1.7 and I'm loving it.
I have had really good luck with my MPS. Had 2 holosun enclosed fail, but for the cost, if the MPS cant stat operational, I will be going bsck to the RMR or irons! I went enclosee because of rain and snow, was at a class and saw the front lens of an ACRO pop out. Steiner makes really good optics and their warranty and service is impeccable.
New sub, missed training at imapct shooting this year, hopefully can catch you next year. Have question about your set up, the Leopold LCO seems to be a cowitness RDS, I am running a holosun 512 and looking at going to a ftc magnifier, and curious of your thoughts today on a 3x or 5x in this application
After seeing way too many special army/police unit members running and recommending the Acro, I'm convinced your classes are about blacksmithing instead of shooting :))
Possibly! Or (hot take), they don’t shoot as much as they say😂
Iron sight master race 🏆 LOL
Unfortunately, i think all enclosed emitters still have issues. Ive heard issues with all of thrm, except the rmr one because its so new
Agree on the screw walking on the holosun.
Try out the new Vortex defender XL and ST.
What brand is that swinger?
I honestly forgot
i’d be interested to know what kind it is too. I spent a buncha coin on the mgm one and not very happy with it.
Thank you!
1) do you find that the long stroke system that’s become popular is too slow with heavier bullets? 2) do you find that - with the LS system - when reloading a topped off mag in a hot chamber (in the middle of a stage) that it can cause weird issues?
Thank you for the ideas. Can you do one for those stuck at an indoor range with limited ability to transition or move? I try to use multiple small targets to "transition" to on my piece of cardboard but I know I am barely moving the gun. I also sometimes aim at a neighbors target and then transition to mine for the shot. Hopefully I will never screw that up and hit their target lol. Just trying to do the best I can with my situation.
This is madman stuff...
Awesome❤❤
I love you, but this is starting to sound like a ‘you problem’ 😂
The Swamp Fox Kraken
Sexy. Love my @decked @magpul
You got bad luck with optics man 🤣 remind me to never let you touch one of mine
You have the old version of the MPS which had a horrible battery cap. They’ve since redesigned the battery cap, which can be identified by having a slightly domed shape on top unlike your flat one. Steiner has an excellent warranty department- I’ve sent 4 MPS back to them for non catastrophic failures and they always sent me a brand new replacement. I’ve since replaced all my MPS with the Lead & Steel PB-3. It combines the best of the Acro and MPS with some additional improvements. It’s built like a tank. So far so good
Dig my 2 MPS’s. They break super regularly around 4-6k rounds but Steiner keeps replacing them so I’m on my 4th and 5th ones! Battery cap is also annoying
Dang...the luck, have optic for a year and forget about it. Just to find it one day and it's broken straight outta the box 😢
My agency has issued roughly around 150 P2s, plus many dozens of individual purchases and we’ve had very few issues or failures across a fairly large sample size. The MPS on the other hand has been pitifully bad with a ton of failures. They fail so often Steiner eventually sent us a small reserve supply of replacement optics to help keep officers up and running during warranty claims. Which was nice of them, but just speaks to how unreliable this optic is. As much as I’d love to run an SRO at work I’ve had issues with mine in the rain during matches. Enclosed emitter is still the way to go for certain uses and unfortunately the P2, 509T, and maybe RCR are the only viable options we have to choose from.
Try our Ghost Version☺️
Way to throw yourself in there 😜
Don't have a closed emitter. If I where to get one of would be the holosun eps. Have you heard good things about that one?
Jesus. That ACRO battery tray looks even WORSE than it looked on Instagram. In the enclosed segment: I’d say the 509T and the RCR are the only ones I haven’t really seen or heard wild issues with. Honorable mention the EPS but to me it’s a 509T variant. So I group them similarly. I wish we could get a bigger window 509T. Like an enclosed 507Comp. I’ve got 2 507Comps and I love them. I just dislike cleaning them daily. Yes. It’s a laziness thing, but I don’t care 😂
try giving the holosun EPS a look I'm 6k rounds into mine and really enjoy it
For 600 bucks I can get a blue labeled Glock and a Holosun haha
Same exact result on the battery tray on the Steiner. Love it as a dot. Great to roll around in the dirt with and lay on. Battery tray sucks out loud. 😂
So you are made that you need to carry a t10 torx or small flathead? Both should be in your range bag anyway
Mad*, and no I’m not mad at all. Just stating facts.
@@VeloxTrainingGroup so you don’t keep tools we get it
“Dooty” grade.
never liked my holosuns but am looking to try the eps carry on my g43 once i get it milled. Acro P2 and RMR type 2 are the best optics i’ve used to date Steiner MPS is great too but the battery life is meh, yet to try the RCR hoping it’s as good as its predecessor.
Got a restock alert today from Omaha Outdoor, Trijicon RCRs are in.
I guess I’m the only delta point pro guy 🤷🏻♂️
Ill likely be in the minority here, but as far as the mailbox RDS go, I like my L&S PB-3 more than my ACRO...but then again I prefer the SRO to both of those. I have a Platypus with a DPPro and the single button control makes me want to ND a full mag into the sky.
This is why Holosun gets my money. Maybe they aren't the absolute best out there (although some could argue that), but the failure rate of pistol dots seems to be relatively high regardless of the manufacturer. Keeping that in mind, why would you ever pay $500+ for a pistol dot...
Dam 🤣the luck of the draw.
Curious of your opinion on the Vortex Defender ST. Specifically the ST, not the original one, those are garbo.
Yea sorry Nick, ive had nothing but great experiences with mine. They redesigned the battery cap so its way better now.
in the PNW you need a closed emitter red dot for sure
Treat the glass and emitter with rainX👍🏼
@@VeloxTrainingGroup i will def give that a try
you thought the worst was behind you with the MPS. Just wait until you deal with their customer service. You may never see that dot again...
Interesting because I literally threw my MPS on concrete 50 times to test an optics plate. Still took 5k rounds to kill that optic. I sent it in and had a new one from Steiner in 3 days. Not sure but I've had nothing but excellent experience with them
I disagree with most of this. I agree it’s big and prints but that is it. If you dryfire and shoot heavily and to have solid grip and use your eyes properly reddots regardless of window size only act as a confirmation of what your eyes are looking at. If you direct mill the Acro to a Glock it’s very flat, the recoil impulse is pretty nice, Now if you throw the Acro on a plate on something like a PDP or a Sig it’s gonna move more because both those handguns cause it to sit higher and have more whippy recoil impulses the window size really is a none issue. If we’re talking reliability all these optics mentioned fail, I’ve seen plenty of 509s die from humidity getting inside the housing because of its battery tray design one student had it happen with 3 of them. The 507 has a pretty solid track record but it dies too. I’ve not seen many Acros die simply because most people don’t buy them, previously it was due to how few aimpoint produced and other dots were available on the market my competition Glock 17 which is factory outside of a minus connector in it has had an Acro p2 on it for 10k rounds so far and it’s been great, I like it a lot. I also like the SRO a lot but it doesn’t really matter to me which one I’m using because again, it just confirms what my eyes are doing. Also the battery cap thing just isn’t an issue, it’s not even worth mentioning. If you’re using a really sharp flat head made of tool steel you’ll damage it, if it isn’t so damaged you can’t unscrew it it doesn’t matter and I think it’s fair to say anyone who actually breaks guns keep tools on them, tools in kit, tools in the truck, tools in the range bag. In normal day to day life having a verity of simple tools helps with life in general so an optic I change the zero on almost never doesn’t really matter either.
I’m glad you like it. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s by far the most broken optic I’ve seen in classes over the years. Sure everything breaks, but it’s not just a coincidence. If you think the window size is a nonissue, you probably need to shoot more to understand 🤷🏻♂️
@@VeloxTrainingGroup I think window size doesn’t mean everything. Sure question my shooting, whatever, I could question why you run PDP and especially own Sigs if we’re gonna talk about historical reliability problems. Us arguing for hours in a KZread chat isn’t gonna accomplish anything. I’ve seen all of these things fail plenty and I’m not a grand master uspsa shooter but I’m willing to bet a grand master running a Glock and an Acro wouldn’t care terribly much about it. I think they’d be far more interested in the actual shooting and training consistency that gives the results.
@@autonomousdefense sure if you practice with it you could run it. That’s not what I’m arguing. What I’m saying is that dude you’re talking about, the acro would be last on his list. And for a good reason.
@@autonomousdefense I’m classified at 94.6% in Carry Optics uspsa. I can run it. I choose not to because it sucks to use.
@@VeloxTrainingGroup I hear you. Just giving feedback on what I’ve seen, maybe later down the line I’ll also come to the conclusion the window size is a big enough problem in competition and switch. All the other issues mentioned are still on the table though, all these other optics fail plenty and if I had to pick another it would be the SRO, handguns that sit the optic higher do whip more under recoil so maybe that’s why I don’t notice it very much. I have tools on me wherever I go for both my guns and students guns if anything fails or needs to be worked on while at the range. there really isn’t enough reasons for me to stop using the Acro If I suck with it that sounds like my personal skill issue so I buy ammo and train. I also really like Glock and want to shoot them to a high level like Brantley over at trex. Doesn’t matter to me personally if it sucks im just gonna hammer that nail till I reach my goals in competition.
Top mount emitter on the MPS seems to significantly reduce false dots with the sun in the background, but makes for a lot of optic body in your field of view and a really cluttered window with tall irons. Using either no irons or a taller "normal" set works much better. Battery cap might be worse than the Acro - impossibly shallow and easily damaged with their tool. Battery life is not that good compared to much of what is out there. Also not a very bright dot unless you enable auto-shutoff (with auto-shutoff turned on you get access to max brightness, it is locked out of auto-shutoff is disabled. Glass clarity is great (probably why battery life sucks), buttons have good feel, the dot is the most astigmatism friendly one I've seen, and the design is eye catching, though.
SRO has a brightness lockout mode if you hold the + for like 5 seconds
The battery cap being messed up is your doing. Don’t try to use a rock to change the battery 😆 I have 1 on a Staccato Heritage 4.15” that had been perfect. The window size is irrelevant if your draw is good. I have video of my draws using the P2. Sub 1 second from safariland.. I am a huge fan of the 509T. I think it’s the best enclosed optic available currently. I run 1 on a 4.25” Prodigy
Glad you like it! Window size has nothing to do with draw imo. And yes, the battery cap is messed up do to me using a flat head screw driver. For $600 I should be able to unscrew it with a 9mm case and it not get messed up. There’s some way nicer options, therefore, I don’t get the hype.
MPS owners punching air rn
Krouts punching the air right now lmao.
Special tools get swallowed by the bottomless void of the range bag. STOP. REQUIRING. SPECIAL. TOOLS!
Here for the comments
I've been liking my 508t since it replaced my RMR that I carried with for 5 years. Only thing I haven't liked are the brightness buttons. With the RMR buttons, it was very easy to quickly and discreetly change the brightness. The 508t buttons are quite tiny and take a little longer to find through clothing. I've also found that since both buttons are on the same side of the optic, I have to take another bit of extra time to check if I'm on the top or bottom button before pressing in adjustments while digging in a less discreet manner through my shirt.