My favorite pistol red dot has been the 509t. I have RMR, SRO, DPP, p2, etc. and the Holosun 509t is such a good, all around good optic. Huge fan dude, cannot wait to take a Vegas class when you come here

I've been liking my 508t since it replaced my RMR that I carried with for 5 years. Only thing I haven't liked are the brightness buttons. With the RMR buttons, it was very easy to quickly and discreetly change the brightness. The 508t buttons are quite tiny and take a little longer to find through clothing. I've also found that since both buttons are on the same side of the optic, I have to take another bit of extra time to check if I'm on the top or bottom button before pressing in adjustments while digging in a less discreet manner through my shirt.

I seen this coming from your IG post 😂😂😂 My 509T has 5,000rds on it and the battery tray has NEVER walked out. Not a huge sample size but still. My 508T has been solid. Even my 507comps are solid. More fragile than the titanium options but I’ll take any of the holosuns in the same segment over the Acro. I also carry a 507Comp on my PDP Match SF. It doesn’t print for me. However your mileage will vary. I’m 6’3” 217lbs. So not particularly small 😂 I believe my last 2 Holosuns shipped with blue loctite on the battery tray screws. I just noticed when I gave mine a look.

I like my 509t, but I have broken one in a class. A small brass setscrew came from somewhere inside the housing, bounced around, and then knocked out the emitter. Luckily Holosun took care of it and got me a replacement fast.

Steiner MPS has been golden for me next to the 509t. But recently picked up the lead and steel pb3 and the hype has been real over the acro

@AB1138-

Ай бұрын

I looked through an ACRO only after getting my Pandora, I can't say I was impressed

@rytacarms

Ай бұрын

@@AB1138- right ! The pb3 is a steal for 300$

@Osprey1994

27 күн бұрын

Lead amd Steel is a company I will not purchase from. Check out how they reacted to Focus Tripp proving that their claims were bullshit with their rifle optic.

@Osprey1994

27 күн бұрын

​@@AB1138- I wouldn't trust anything Lead and Steel makes, and the owner is a slimeball who tries to bribe reviewers into giving them favorable reviews. L&S can pound sand.

@AB1138-

27 күн бұрын

@@Osprey1994 nah what actually happened is that he was kindly offered to be part of their internal testing network which he took as an attempt to bribe him, and then he claimed not only that but also that they must have already tried to bribe other people. And the lawsuit is valid because people like you still come out of the woodwork with these bad faith arguments.

After seeing way too many special army/police unit members running and recommending the Acro, I'm convinced your classes are about blacksmithing instead of shooting :))

@VeloxTrainingGroup

18 күн бұрын

Possibly! Or (hot take), they don’t shoot as much as they say😂

Steiner MPS and 509t’s hopefully I never have issues with them, so far My MPS has 2.5-3k rounds And my 509T has about twice that bc it was my first red dot on a pistol Nice overview 💪🏼👨🏻

I have a gen 1 509T well over 10K on a G19 and its still working. Steiner MPS has been good to me.

Have you looked at any of the C&H products?

I have had completely different experiences several of my holosons have all had issues the deltapoint pro that I have use in classes been on 4 differnt guns has been on my carry gun for several years has been the one I shoot the most out of with no issues. My trigicons have all been great.Interesting different people have different experiences

Agree on the screw walking on the holosun.

Im digging the the new Vortex Defender ST red dot. Has top loading battery like the SRO and comes with a metal tool to make battery changes easy. It also has 50,000 hour battery life, clear glass, crisp dot, and good size window. Billy Barton and look_an_asian have torture tested these optics and both say they good to go.

@brennanbrennecke3323

29 күн бұрын

Yeah I think they’re solid options

I’ve got tons of rounds through my P2, it’s by no means the best optic ever. But, I do like it.

In my experience with the 509s the battery life is not great, at least with the factory battery. Mine went at 8ish months despite shake awake and not being my primary carry or duty gun. I’ve also had several coworkers who have had theirs die within 6 months or less, though they are using the entire Eotech style reticle. 507 comp is my current favorite for shooting experience. 509t or the good old bombproof RMR for duty. ACRO would be my number 1 it wasn’t for the crowded window.

I had the same issues with my Acros, especially battery caps.

509t is the only pistol dot I'll use. Hard to beat for the price. The adjustments needing a tool is somewhat annoying but not a huge deal. I have a gen 1 and gen 2 and love them equally.

never liked my holosuns but am looking to try the eps carry on my g43 once i get it milled. Acro P2 and RMR type 2 are the best optics i’ve used to date Steiner MPS is great too but the battery life is meh, yet to try the RCR hoping it’s as good as its predecessor.

Sro will always be my favorite and 508T and Trij RMR in second place

Unfortunately, i think all enclosed emitters still have issues. Ive heard issues with all of thrm, except the rmr one because its so new

I’ve had 3 509t’s replaced (all gen 1), a 507c and 508t. Holosun is for range toys only now in my book. I’ve also had an Acro p2 and Steiner mps replaced but Holosun has had consistent problems. Never seen a brand be broken out of the box as much as them like they don’t even look at it before it ships.

SRO has a brightness lockout mode if you hold the + for like 5 seconds

Just ordered the Acro P-2, good memorial day sale. Should be delivered soon. Time will tell. I own a holosun eps carry mrs and it's been great on my edc. I also own Leupold DPP and love it. It's been a solid open emitter red dot for me so far. Trijicon is next on my list.

@boomee78

Ай бұрын

I have had the same experience with my deltapoint pro

@nicolaspaulin6925

5 күн бұрын

Which site had a sale? I’ll be looking for a 4th of July sale.

Thank you!

The Acro P2 was the first optic I’ve bought and regularly used. Bought it on black friday, last year. Maybe about 3.5k rounds with no issues so far. Yes the glass is a bit small. That’s probably my biggest pet peeve as well. But I think the Acro’s 3-dimensional body allows me to quickly make small adjustments when the dot is just outside the glass. I do plan on buying an SRO in the future for my concealed carry piece just because the glass is so big

The Pandora PB-3 blows it out of the water. The optic is slightly smallwr but with a 30% bigger window. I looked through an acro and was very disappointed

A lot of great information as always!! Love the shirt homie !! 💪💪

The acro comes with that "special" tool.

So you are made that you need to carry a t10 torx or small flathead? Both should be in your range bag anyway

@VeloxTrainingGroup

Ай бұрын

Mad*, and no I’m not mad at all. Just stating facts.

@NCTACO

Ай бұрын

@@VeloxTrainingGroup so you don’t keep tools we get it

And this is why I bought a steiner MPS.

Some get it for the gram. I use whatever I can afford 😂 My friend sold me his used 508T for $175 and before that scored a EPS Carry used for $250. You can def find deals if you look

The battery cap being messed up is your doing. Don’t try to use a rock to change the battery 😆 I have 1 on a Staccato Heritage 4.15” that had been perfect. The window size is irrelevant if your draw is good. I have video of my draws using the P2. Sub 1 second from safariland.. I am a huge fan of the 509T. I think it’s the best enclosed optic available currently. I run 1 on a 4.25” Prodigy

@VeloxTrainingGroup

Ай бұрын

Glad you like it! Window size has nothing to do with draw imo. And yes, the battery cap is messed up do to me using a flat head screw driver. For $600 I should be able to unscrew it with a 9mm case and it not get messed up. There’s some way nicer options, therefore, I don’t get the hype.

in the PNW you need a closed emitter red dot for sure

@VeloxTrainingGroup

Ай бұрын

Treat the glass and emitter with rainX👍🏼

@chauhuynh426

27 күн бұрын

@@VeloxTrainingGroup i will def give that a try

Iron sight master race 🏆 LOL

Acro P2 🤝 SRO

Rmr HD master race

I guess I’m the only delta point pro guy 🤷🏻‍♂️

Here for the comments

Dude that battery cap is your fault

@VeloxTrainingGroup

Ай бұрын

It’s kinda crazy that it’s so fragile for a $600 optic.

For 600 bucks I can get a blue labeled Glock and a Holosun haha

I disagree with most of this. I agree it’s big and prints but that is it. If you dryfire and shoot heavily and to have solid grip and use your eyes properly reddots regardless of window size only act as a confirmation of what your eyes are looking at. If you direct mill the Acro to a Glock it’s very flat, the recoil impulse is pretty nice, Now if you throw the Acro on a plate on something like a PDP or a Sig it’s gonna move more because both those handguns cause it to sit higher and have more whippy recoil impulses the window size really is a none issue. If we’re talking reliability all these optics mentioned fail, I’ve seen plenty of 509s die from humidity getting inside the housing because of its battery tray design one student had it happen with 3 of them. The 507 has a pretty solid track record but it dies too. I’ve not seen many Acros die simply because most people don’t buy them, previously it was due to how few aimpoint produced and other dots were available on the market my competition Glock 17 which is factory outside of a minus connector in it has had an Acro p2 on it for 10k rounds so far and it’s been great, I like it a lot. I also like the SRO a lot but it doesn’t really matter to me which one I’m using because again, it just confirms what my eyes are doing. Also the battery cap thing just isn’t an issue, it’s not even worth mentioning. If you’re using a really sharp flat head made of tool steel you’ll damage it, if it isn’t so damaged you can’t unscrew it it doesn’t matter and I think it’s fair to say anyone who actually breaks guns keep tools on them, tools in kit, tools in the truck, tools in the range bag. In normal day to day life having a verity of simple tools helps with life in general so an optic I change the zero on almost never doesn’t really matter either.

@VeloxTrainingGroup

Ай бұрын

I’m glad you like it. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s by far the most broken optic I’ve seen in classes over the years. Sure everything breaks, but it’s not just a coincidence. If you think the window size is a nonissue, you probably need to shoot more to understand 🤷🏻‍♂️

@autonomousdefense

Ай бұрын

@@VeloxTrainingGroup I think window size doesn’t mean everything. Sure question my shooting, whatever, I could question why you run PDP and especially own Sigs if we’re gonna talk about historical reliability problems. Us arguing for hours in a KZread chat isn’t gonna accomplish anything. I’ve seen all of these things fail plenty and I’m not a grand master uspsa shooter but I’m willing to bet a grand master running a Glock and an Acro wouldn’t care terribly much about it. I think they’d be far more interested in the actual shooting and training consistency that gives the results.

@VeloxTrainingGroup

Ай бұрын

@@autonomousdefense sure if you practice with it you could run it. That’s not what I’m arguing. What I’m saying is that dude you’re talking about, the acro would be last on his list. And for a good reason.

@VeloxTrainingGroup

Ай бұрын

@@autonomousdefense I’m classified at 94.6% in Carry Optics uspsa. I can run it. I choose not to because it sucks to use.

@autonomousdefense

Ай бұрын

@@VeloxTrainingGroup I hear you. Just giving feedback on what I’ve seen, maybe later down the line I’ll also come to the conclusion the window size is a big enough problem in competition and switch. All the other issues mentioned are still on the table though, all these other optics fail plenty and if I had to pick another it would be the SRO, handguns that sit the optic higher do whip more under recoil so maybe that’s why I don’t notice it very much. I have tools on me wherever I go for both my guns and students guns if anything fails or needs to be worked on while at the range. there really isn’t enough reasons for me to stop using the Acro If I suck with it that sounds like my personal skill issue so I buy ammo and train. I also really like Glock and want to shoot them to a high level like Brantley over at trex. Doesn’t matter to me personally if it sucks im just gonna hammer that nail till I reach my goals in competition.

“Duty ready” aimpoint fan dislike this video

“Dooty” grade.

Every day you're still alive with no irons on your EDC is a gift. Hope you appreciate it.

@VeloxTrainingGroup

Ай бұрын

😂😂

@comacoda

Ай бұрын

Damn! 😂

@brennanbrennecke3323

29 күн бұрын

That’s RIGHT!

@johnbuntin7188

27 күн бұрын

Haha, some of us can shoot without one believe it or not.

@mrhkp2000

19 күн бұрын

🤦🏽‍♂️

Yep!! Its junk!!!