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  @patrickmoran68718 күн бұрын

  The Romans did what Bartlet said and the remainder the ancient world got it!

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  @mari-karandolph818129 күн бұрын

  Brilliant

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  @theplourdeАй бұрын

  I hated the Ritchie character the instant of his lack of reaction to Donovan’s death.

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  @peternolan4855Ай бұрын

  My favourite scene from the whole series. Leo sits at the arm of the chair. He sits in the chair once the tension has been lifted. He is smarter than Jed, but is deferential to Jed too.

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  @jeffjohnson5139Ай бұрын

  Leo is a ball-less.

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  @operation19683 ай бұрын

  As an Israeli this comes to mind this morning after Iran's attack during the night. This is gonna get ugly 🙄

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  @bobpage65972 ай бұрын

  Its a shame the world is blind to what Iran is doing. The stupid left and mainstream media have turned it into an Israel/Palestine issue. Its not that, and it never has been. What happened to Israel in October was Iran striking Israel via proxy - and once again, the world at large is letting them get away with it! The world and the west sat back for over 20 years, and did NOTHING while Sole.imani commanded the Qods Force and built up the most coherent proxy network the world has ever known to exist! Iran has used that for decades to strike at whomever they want, and then blame it on someone else later. It should stop now. The next time one Iran's proxies step out of line - the response is being dropped on Tehran's doorstep!! In an ideal world, that would already have happened!!

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  @spectatorlive3 ай бұрын

  Tell this shit to Bastards who claim Israel should have done the proportional retaliation.

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  @garythompson86293 ай бұрын

  IMO, Bar None, this is the best show to ever be on television!

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  @tstanley014 ай бұрын

  Damn this show was lightening in a bottle...

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  @jonv17765 ай бұрын

  I always crack up wondering what Charlie in the background is thinking... Like "oh shit... It's about to pop off."

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  @CGagnon55 ай бұрын

  This show was so good.

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  @JK-nx7my5 ай бұрын

  No change of any consequence ever happened in that show. Every episode ended the same as it started.

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  @richardfreeman97875 ай бұрын

  Yes. His Liberal instincts always ended up winning. And America ended up losing.

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  @jbpicado5 ай бұрын

  Apparently, you do not understand the latitude of serial television.

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  @jackolantern222 ай бұрын

  This isn’t remotely true.

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  @LOEKASH5 ай бұрын

  I love the 4th junor in this movie. He was one of the last to admit defeat, but not for a lack of reason. He just had a more pessimistic view of the situation and was nonetheless willing to change his mind based on the facts, not because he prioritized his instincts.

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  @SkitsInfinity5 ай бұрын

  Leo is a fool and a simp

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  @crawlmanjrable6 ай бұрын

  To everyone that thinks this is somehow conveying the futility of proportional response you should watch the actual episode. The president later decides to continue with the original plan because proportionality maintains good relations at home and abroad with allies. Proportional responses a a tool in the toolbox of realpolitik that mustn't be ignored.

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  @patricknailon75077 ай бұрын

  Always loved the look in Leo's face, after he agrees that it isn't Leo who drives the president to safe ground, and he has this look of, "It's time to pick this fight. Right now."

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  @daneb.mcfadhen98967 ай бұрын

  I begged a lawyer friend who refused to watch this film. We watched. He was transfixed. So much so when I asked a very brief question, I was vehemently shushed. With the credits rolling he gushed, "This was very good. The leads were realistic and the story was excellent. I was completely drawn in." Me the actor, nodded.

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  @Kort697 ай бұрын

  up

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  @richblues86588 ай бұрын

  EXACTLY WHAT THE ISRAELIS ARE DOING BUT ITS OKAY FOR THE US TO DO IT BUT GOD FORBID ISRAEL DO THE SAME!

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  @cara96805 ай бұрын

  israel's been attacking palestinians since 1948.

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  @silenusut8 ай бұрын

  At this time still and even more thought-provokingly relevant …

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  @kennethpaulsen54078 ай бұрын

  great tv show

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  @captaincarl18 ай бұрын

  What's happening in the Mideast now reminded me instantly of this.

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  @falseprofit98018 ай бұрын

  I know. :( I just feel bad for all of the kids who are suffering because of the mistakes of us and our parents' generation.

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  @brianpollard65272 ай бұрын

  Your mistakes? Your parents? Stop being a martyr

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  @CatPartyTRex2 ай бұрын

  Yep. Came here bc of that

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  @chucklehman53198 ай бұрын

  The speech President Bartlet was given his little speech at the end, reminds me when he did President Kennedy.

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  @user-dy2fx3xq9t8 ай бұрын

  They were incredible together is such bull crap that that show get canceled I don't care what nobody say that was Bull straight off top❤❤❤❤❤

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  @user-jb7zw3ul9q9 ай бұрын

  ❤

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  @mdmdmd639 ай бұрын

  I hope the IDF sees that

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  @joshgleicher27009 ай бұрын

  NATO just recommended Israel has a proportional response in Gaza and I immediately remembered this amazing West Wing skit because it really captures the futility of the "proportional response" concept.

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  @EugenioG20219 ай бұрын

  I would say the virtue of a proportional response is in the name itself. To keep it proportional. It's almost a mathematical question rather than ethical, cultural or emotional. Think of this. You have two sides: A and B. If both keep it proportional it stays like that forever. If both are disproportionate it's last man standing policy. If one is proportional and the other disproportional then as soon as the disproportionate one plays its card and elevates the tone of the conflict 10 levels, then the proportional one will do so as well (because it is proportional and tries to stay at the same level). In the next round, the disproportional one elevates it again 10 times, and so forth until last man standing. If both sides are equally strong, it will be last man standing if at least one of them is disproportionate. In my opinion, the palestinian conflict is the pinnacle example of disproportionate responses. First, arabs don't like jews in general (first stone there), then the UN ruled into the creation of Israel without arabs consent or democratic vote in the region (first disproportionate response), then arabs reacted killing jews (disproportionate answer), then jews reacted expelling all arab civilians without per person trials nor evidence, just arab=expell systematically if they were not jews (again, another disproportionate response to take it on a whole culture because some members killed jews) Then arab groups do military-sized attacks against israel's infrastructure and critical civilian buildings (again, disproportionate), then in response israel conquers lands far beyond what the original UN ruling set as frontiers to destroy the terrorist, but they again displace all arab civilians without trials (again) and violating the original pact; by doing this, they took more than 70% of the land that the UN originally intended for arabs (again, disproportionate response to conquer lands and expel all civilians in it without trials nor compensation because some arab militias) Then arab groups become terrorist to all jew civilians; including kids. Again, disproportionate to israel's action Had proportional response been the criteria in palestinia since the UN ruling in 1947, the most there would have been is people protesting in the street, boycotts or apartheid at most. Not what we have today

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  @SolWake9 ай бұрын

  There is certainly a feeling of futility embedded in the concept. However, the episode goes on to explore the "disproportionate response" as well to answer the question of "what is the virtue". The "disproportionate response" is always an atrocity. So the virtue of a proportionate response is that it allows you to make a stand, to hit back, without sacrificing your humanity. It maintains space to pursue virtuous solutions through virtuous means like diplomacy, peace building, and development of cultural co-existence. It is hard, it is painful, and it is costly. But that is also why it's virtuous--it is the price of never abandoning the belief that both yourself and your enemy are human beings.

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  @User_Happy359 ай бұрын

  Hamas lost its humanity on Oct 7th

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  @Avihu8 ай бұрын

  IDF has yet to reach propotionate response levels.. History is irrelevant. Last man standing it is.

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  @janehrahan51168 ай бұрын

  @@User_Happy35 The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslim, O servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.' Hamas lost its humanity when it was founded, as did the entire religion of islam. This quote is a hadith quote used in the Hamas charter.

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  @JustSomeCanadianGuy11 ай бұрын

  2:37 - I love Leo's excitement there about letting the staff off the leash, like he's saying he has a superpower he's never used before.

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  @jhojnack11 ай бұрын

  3:16 ‘I don’t want to feel like this anymore.’ Powerful

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  @colindemar832211 ай бұрын

  7:45 I say she only saw a blur. That line changed everything after they all started talking about her eyesight without her glasses. That really changed everything about the movie.

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  @JustSomeCanadianGuy Жыл бұрын

  This episode is almost like a second pilot for the series.

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  @kmac1766 Жыл бұрын

  🤦🏻‍♂️

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  @kiricrocker3536 Жыл бұрын

  tegy.

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  @marlinmealer6506 Жыл бұрын

  So In the American President (also written by Aaron Sorkin) Michael Douglas says "Someone is going to have to explain to me the virtue of a Proportional Response" Glad to see it fleshed out here in this episode (Later by Leo "It's what our Father's Taught us)

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  @lizard4505 ай бұрын

  Regan's proportional response to Iran was quite "proportional". It's probably why they banned math in Kentucky.

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  @Lapusso650 Жыл бұрын

  Let's face it, the case was ridiculous from the start.

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  @user-sx7wo1yl7y Жыл бұрын

  "Twenty twenty..." The entire story pivots here. Such great writing, and superb acting. I hate it when old folks say, "When i was a kid..." but: when I was a kid, we watched movies like this, along with Godzilla. Today, it's all Godzilla. Tell me i'm wrong: where are the modern counterparts to "Twelve Angry Men?" Is it any wonder that we elect people like Donald Trump today instead of like Dwight Eisenhower?

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  @TheNerdForAllSeasons Жыл бұрын

  "Because a man stands up" Leo channeling Ike so fucking hard here

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  @16431421 Жыл бұрын

  6:04 “so what, what do you think that means” He says this pretty calmly, and the line RIGHT before was someone yelling at him, and then juror 6 is like” IM SO SICK OF YOUR YELLING”

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  @16431421 Жыл бұрын

  The old man’s way of making his point was very obnoxious and condescending lol

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  @thegiant080 Жыл бұрын

  12 men , 12 personality. My bow to the script writer.

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  @chrislubs1341 Жыл бұрын

  “While The West Wing may be some of the best American television ever produced, it is not a particularly accurate or insightful guide to the actual workings of American democracy. In fact, the very artistic and narrative choices that make it a superb drama make it a very poor representation of politics.” “And it concordantly minimizes the internal and external obstacles even the most well-meaning and capable politicians face when attempting to make policy. Such creative liberties add up to a romanticized portrayal which leads viewers to expect more from their elected officials and government than either can reasonably deliver.” Yair Rosenberg staff writer at The Atlantic

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  @edwardness7497 Жыл бұрын

  we should always expect more from our Politian's; something has to justify their absurd pay in comparison to the average citizen... I would appreciate more of an example when critics make these types of statements, what is it that they considered 'unreasonable' and if there are many, it would make picking an example, all the more simple... it's a drama after all, so, i don't argue with such liberties, but, I'm still curious...

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  @SolWake9 ай бұрын

  I recently heard a conversation about writers of sci-fi/fantasy having to balance how detailed and realistically they present their fictional election processes. There's only so much you can expect readers to absorb. Certainly presenting something equivalent to the electoral college would be way to much. So perhaps it's because how media portrays things like elections relatively simply for narrative efficiency that so many people expect far more of elections than what actually happens. This isn't to say fiction should always present the full complexity of a thing. Rather it highlights the importance of being an informed citizen. It's not just being informed about the issue, but being informed about how the system really works is essential.

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  @keynesianeconomics41136 ай бұрын

  @@edwardness7497 The pay is in line with the requirements of their role but the numb nuts filling the roles seldom deserve the pay.

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  @carlrosa1130 Жыл бұрын

  You need a friend who will stand toe to toe with you and tell you what you might not want to hear. That's Leo.

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  @McRocket Жыл бұрын

  Great scene. Thanks for posting it. ☮

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  @calvinduke4810 Жыл бұрын

  He's got my vote

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  @InArgCroitheGoDeo9 ай бұрын

  Fascist

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  @RegardtheMan8 ай бұрын

  Same

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  @ReaverLordTonus Жыл бұрын

  Considering the story was completely made up, any defense he makes of his integrity just sounds worse.

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  @lizziebkennedy7505 Жыл бұрын

  Leo forgot all, this when Bartlet refused to bomb Gaza. But then it wasn’t Sorkin writing, so the vision wasn’t this one.

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  @christopherweber9464 Жыл бұрын

  ... and your a fictional character. (Music swells)

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  @jarrodyuki7081 Жыл бұрын

  god is dead and every entity is mortal cameras can be bypassed or frozen.

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  @thetooginator153 Жыл бұрын

  The benefit of a proportional response is that we don’t punish the innocent, or at least try not to.

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  @operation1968 Жыл бұрын

  In other words trying to avoid escalating a situation unnecessarily. A byproduct of such a situation would mean an outcome of innocent civilian casualties

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  @thetooginator153 Жыл бұрын

  I have a hard time believing that a solitary Roman citizen walking on a rural road in Gaul was feared by the local bandits. In my lifetime, the security of Americans abroad was more closely tied to how much the locals liked and admired the United States - not fear of our military.