STARTING PROBLEM - SOLVED I own a 2019 R1250 GS Adventure which I bought new and I live in Victoria, Australia. I will keep this as short as possible and try and avoid going into any details that readers and fellow owners already know. I have experienced all the starting problems that have been documented by riders around the world for four years. The sudden and unexplained no-start events, the myriad of TFT screen fault messages etc. I do not know if this problem applies to every MY but it certainly applies to MY19, MY20 and MY21 as I have read user complaints online. I have used a total of four AGM batteries in four years, Exide (which caused problems in the first 3 weeks of bike delivery), Deka, Yuasa and SSB, all have been either 200 CCA or 240 CCA batteries. Batteries have always been fully charged and able to pass a load test when the bike failed to start and have been connected to an appropriate charger when the bike has not been in use. So battery problems are not confined to a specific batch of Exide batteries that were factory fitted by BMW when the bike was new. My son has an R1200 GS Adventure, he has used the same AGM batteries, and he has had zero starting problems over the four years that I have owned my bike. Regardless of the healthy status of all four AGM batteries the starting problems have always suggested that a battery power problem existed. Any mature vehicle system does not require changes to valve clearances, or require pushing whilst in gear, or any other unusual or creative change to get the vehicle to start. Does anyone have to do that with their car? Standard comments from BMW dealers have included ‘cannot replicate the fault’ and ‘they all do that’ along with others. Is BMW Motorrad really happy with that state of affairs? It has appeared so. I purchased a GOOLOO GP2000 lithium jump starter, it is small, light, and quick and easy to use. I carry it in my top box and it started the bike every time I needed it to. The bike started instantly and essentially proves that the complete starting circuit is serviceable provided that sufficient cranking power is available. BMW obviously made significant changes (mechanical & electrical) from the R1200 GS Adventure to the R1250 GS Adventure. When making those configuration changes did they carry out a detailed Power Management study under all user operating conditions, in all environments that users operate these bikes in, and over a reasonable period of time to ensure that the starting circuit for instance, from the battery right through to the starter motor and everything in-between, were compatible and actually worked? Only BMW know the answer to that question. I used the GOOLOO GP2000 for many months on many occasions to prove to myself that the starting circuit is serviceable enough to be operated as designed, and as delivered on the bike when it was new. Once I was convinced that the problem was the power source then I researched a safe and more capable alternative. You can research the various chemistries of Lithium batteries yourselves if you wish, I selected Lithium (Li) Iron (Fe) Phosphate (PO4) which is LiFePO4, it’s the safest battery chemistry and fit for purpose. I purchased a SSB Powersport Lithium Ultralite, LiFePO4, LFP14H-BS, 150mm X 87mm x 93mm. The battery came complete with screw on plastic spacers to raise the battery height to suit the motorcycle battery compartment. The bike now enthusiastically starts first time every time, under all conditions and as it should have done when I purchased it in the first place. I finally have the bike that I thought I purchased four years ago. Ignition has improved and all lights and displays have improved. If this problem went away at some production point then what was changed during production and why don’t all users know about it? Prior to starting the bike the ‘My Vehicle’ screen on the TFT display always shows a battery voltage approaching, or at, 13 volts I have an Ozcharge OC-PRO80L 12 volt 480ma LiFePO4 battery charger which I have not used again since I charged the battery when it was new straight out of the box. As soon as the charger tells you that the battery is fully charged then disconnect the charger. I have a charging pigtail lead fitted to the bike and I check the battery voltage with a meter via this lead before using the bike. The battery voltage is now always between 13.27 volts and 13.30 volts. The most the voltage ever drops in a week or more is 0.01 volts (1/100th of a volt) which is probably due to the bike internal clock and maybe a standby function of the keyless start module. The bike charging system is capable of keeping the battery charged and I will only use the battery charger/maintainer if the battery voltage ever drops below 13 volts which it hasn’t done and so far doesn’t look like it will. You do NOT, and SHOULD NOT, keep the appropriate battery charger/maintainer connected to your bike when the bike is not in use. Do I leave the GOOLOO GP2000 at home? No I don’t as I may meet a fellow R1250 GSA rider one day who is stuck at the side of the road/trail or next to a fuel pump in a service station because his bike will not start.
@maglyesnumАй бұрын
Hi there, Why do you use a special cam tensioner, is the one from the bike not sufficient to do the procedure ? What is the main difference ?
@CLLUK29 күн бұрын
Hi, As I understand. The tension exerted by the BMW Chain Tensioner is set to represent the tension the the 'Running Cam Chain Tensioner' exerts at a defined engine speed under nominal conditions. I too had this question. I even thought about finding/using a mechanical tensioner (no spring) use to push the Cam Chain up. But we don't know the required force or Nm to use. There is a danger of course of tightening too much and braking/dropping the chain within the engine.
@brettfoden7623Ай бұрын
its says not suitable for a wet clutch though
@jefflittle8872Ай бұрын
How did you disconnect wire from exup vave pulley.. can't work out how it comes off. Two little pins lock it on pulley..
@deanmaiden62022 ай бұрын
I will have a go at making my own adjustment tool when I get around to doing mine 👍 great video.
@CLLUK2 ай бұрын
Thanks, Great Idea!
@carmineguarino88212 ай бұрын
Buonasera posseggo un r 1100 r anno 1999 purtroppo senza paramani, vorrei acquistarli mi sapete dire come fare grazie
@rdyam2 ай бұрын
I disagree with your closing statement, this is a perfect instructional video! Clearly and concisely narrated at a decent volume with all necessary information and guidance, high resolution, well lit and well shot footage and no ridiculous music making it impossible to hear the voiceover - it's perfect, thanks so much for putting up a great quality "how to video" :)
@CLLUK2 ай бұрын
Thank you, much appreciated.
@yetiiti76313 ай бұрын
Thank you for the movie, the procedure was nicely and succinctly presented. I don't entirely understand the purpose of this tool "Cam Alignment Jig" - is it used to set the cams before checking valve clearances, or is it for setting during basket assembly? Or other purpose? Thanks in advance for clarifying.
@CLLUK3 ай бұрын
Thanks. The purpose of the Jig as I understand it is to lock the inlet and exhaust cams in their correct position at TDC whilst tightening up the end bolts to their correct torque. You raised a good point. I think it makes sense to do the cam alignment (that's if it need doing) prior to doing the valve checks/adjustment.
@paulosghost3 ай бұрын
Same here, Portugal. 2019 r1250gsa HP. I was going to swap the battery (original) but appears to be ok, it has 12.9v after days of riding the bike. :( 10 years with honda, original battery, no problems...
@powerofone16453 ай бұрын
Nice clean bike.
@wacksalad31104 ай бұрын
How did it go then ? This is a big issue. I think it would be great to hear how you got on. Very much appreciated.
@CLLUK4 ай бұрын
Hi, yes, I think you're absolutely right. I was really sure that the Auto Decompression Mechanism was defective on the LHS. Now, after comparing in more detail with the RHS and others I don't think it is. I still need to complete a few further checks. What I see, though, is that the cam alignment looks out. So I shall be very soon carrying out a Cam Alignment. I've got the specialist tools for this apart from the "Cam Chain Alignment Tool" which after days of searching seems impossible to obtain. ( I did find a German retailer and ordered it, but the next day they informed me it was discontinued and refunded me :( But, good news is that I will hopefully have one on loan soon from the BMW Motor Club UK ( Southern Section ) So I will then do the Cam Alignment and put everything back together again and fingers crossed, test and ride. So, regardless what happens, I will upload a video on this bmw auto decompressor as it's different from what I am used to on other non bmw bikes. The 2nd video will be on the CAM Alignment procedure. I'm just hoping after all this, it resolved this starting issue. If it does, then it will be two things I've done. (1) Adjust valve clearances. (2) Adjust Cam Alignment. If it doesn't, then back to the drawing board.
@MrCruiser6664 ай бұрын
Great instructions for the clearance check, thank You! But the adjustment needed : 1: Timing Chain Tensioner Assembly - BMW part # 83300444292; (tension for chain like in working mode) 2: Cam Alignment Jig - BMW part # 83302467268 (OK, you marked the gears, but the shaft alignment is also adjustable - right side 65 Nm ) I wonder how can you fix the decompressor! btw. I have the same starting issues. 2021-1250GS 27000km for a few months My bike has warranty, but I read everywhere dealers can't solve this problem.
@CLLUK4 ай бұрын
Thanks. Waiting for the replacement cam shaft and specialist tools. Will need to redo valve clearances checks of course and also cam alignment. I hope to start when everything is here ( ~ 2 weeks ) Will upload another video with all the information. Looks like you've been doing your own research too! 👍 I would love to know why it failed in the first place?
@CLLUK4 ай бұрын
Forgot to mention. The auto decompressor is integral to the exhaust cam shaft :( It comes as one part ( auto decompressor and cam shaft.) Minus the Gear Wheel and reluctor which I have to remove from the defective cam shaft and fit onto the new one. Yes, you're spot on 65Nm for the 16mm hex bots at the end and 8Nm for the Reluctor ( That's what BMW call it - the plastic composition component at the end and is part of the positional feedback system to the ECU. )
@davidpalusny48974 ай бұрын
What's the mark on the rear fender? I'm looking for r850r and I can't find what fits in there
@CLLUK4 ай бұрын
Hi. I don't know what you're referring to. Sorry. Sold the bike many years ago
@CLLUK4 ай бұрын
Update: 24/01/2024. Since resetting the Exhaust Valves, the starting is still not completely normal. Sometimes it starts okay, sometimes not. So, I decided to open up again and look at the Auto Decompressions Mechanisms which are positioned next to the Exhaust Valve (Front) on both cylinders. (I should of done this the first time!) The Auto Decompression Mechanism only operates on the Front Exhaust Valve. Comparing both sides, it was clear that the RHS was OK and the LHS defective. This just flops around and doesn't return to the 'Start' position (ie, with the rounded profile protruding slightly above the cam lobe surface. So, this is indeed Good News and makes sense why sometimes starting is OK and others not so. I now need to look into a change out. I will upload a video on what I found later today or tomorrow.
@thebiker26554 ай бұрын
Can you check the other clearances with the shims removed
@stevewoods18115 ай бұрын
She is a testament to your ownership a nd has only covered 4000 miles since you sold her respect stev6
@stevewoods18115 ай бұрын
I have this bike now she's still in great condition
@CLLUK5 ай бұрын
That's lovely to hear Steve. I've always regretted selling her. Still, need to move on. Went to South of France and Italy amongst others. I really enjoyed bringing her to showroom condition during my ownership. Spend lots of money on her along the way. Hope you have happy times. Say "Hi" for me.... 😊
@mr.hughes58086 ай бұрын
Just bought one myself!
@CLLUK6 ай бұрын
Wow. Congratulations. That's fantastic! I've always regretted selling mine. Only only if I had of kept her. Even thought about buying back. I've got an R1250GS, which I love, but given the option, I would opt for the R1100R. It's not all about performance and technology! Happy riding.
@mr.hughes58086 ай бұрын
@@CLLUK thank you! I rode a modern GS once and they’re an absolute blast but there’s definitely something about just you and the bike with the older 1100r
@Brian-ec9xt11 ай бұрын
were the old ones worn already?
@CLLUK11 ай бұрын
Hi, couldn't measure any discernible wear.
@Brian-ec9xt11 ай бұрын
@@CLLUK ok, thanks for that. it was just for a video then? The reason i ask is, i have 2005 xjr 1300 and to my knowledge mine have never been changed. The bike has only done 22000miles do you think they would need a change?
@CLLUK11 ай бұрын
@@Brian-ec9xt Hi Brian, i did this clearance check at the 12k service. The shims themselves seemed to be the correct rated thickness. Of the 8 clearances ( inlets and outlets ) I seem to remember only around half were slightly out of spec range. So, to keep costs down I made a table of individual clearance measurements and shim rated thickness ( as stamped on the shim ) Then I could see what shims I could move to other ports to bring the clearance within spec. Hope that makes sense. I think then I ended only buying 2 or 3 new shims. I think there's someone who did a video on this table as mentioned above.
@CLLUK11 ай бұрын
@@Brian-ec9xt Sorry your question. It depends on the level of tappet noise I guess. Personally at 22k I would go ahead and do it. If anything else, it's an interesting job and what with the haynes WS guide and KZread videos you should be Okay.
@Brian-ec9xt11 ай бұрын
@@CLLUK Thank you for your explanation and information, i will look into it.
@user-my4qg8bw9t11 ай бұрын
いい家住んでるじゃねーか
@p.istaker886211 ай бұрын
Filmed in an active war zone.
@manuelpineiro4226 Жыл бұрын
Siempre grande mi primo motero
@1234567marks Жыл бұрын
Hi, did you put the Wynns product in and leave the bike running on tick over, or did you take it for a ride, is it necessary to change the oil immediately after adding the Wynns or can you leave it in?, cheers Mark
@CLLUK Жыл бұрын
Hi, two very valid questions. I left in running in the garage only. Afterwards I changed the oil.
@1234567marks Жыл бұрын
@@CLLUK Thanks CLLUK, I remember years ago using it on my Calibra 16v, yes it was that long ago!, and it worked brilliantly, 3 minutes on tick over and the ticking tappet fell silent, in that case I did as you say above and then changed the oil, my XJR has just developed a tick, it seems to have come on suddenly so I doubt it’s in need of adjustment more likely a sticking lifter, so Wynns is on order, thanks for your video 👍
@CLLUK Жыл бұрын
@@1234567marks Excellent! I agree, I went through the same thought process. I'm not a car person so googled the Cailbra 16v. Nice.
@1234567marks Жыл бұрын
@@CLLUK ha, it had the same effect as a space ship suddenly appearing when I got it in the early 90’s, crowds gathered around it!, 10 years later nobody gave them a glance , they are probably getting collectible now though, along with all the other old rubbish 😄
@1234567marks Жыл бұрын
Just a footnote to this, my XJR started rattling as in the video, I got a can of Wynns, got the bike out, fired it up to warm the oil, no rattle!, so whatever was causing the lifter to stick cleared itself, therefore it may be worth waiting a couple of rides before using the Wynns, I’ve been on a couple of rides since and the rattle hasn’t returned 👍
@EvendimataE Жыл бұрын
almost bought one, but the unit i checked dont have abs
@CLLUK Жыл бұрын
Okay, I didn't know they came without ABS. I've thought so many times of trying to find another one. Should of listened to all those people telling me not to sell it. Hope you find what you're looking for.
@Nick-Laren Жыл бұрын
Quelle superbe moto 😍✌️👍
@cestaroyuri6140 Жыл бұрын
le valvoleee
@markwhite232 Жыл бұрын
Xcellent thankyou Regards from Australia
@CLLUK Жыл бұрын
A slow I know, Thanks Mark :)
@user-hj5to4xp5e Жыл бұрын
Super hit!
@jorgefrancocabanillas1088 Жыл бұрын
dias buenos: hermoza por sus cuatro costados... para variar la industra Alamana avanti...
@CLLUK Жыл бұрын
Buenas tardes Jorge, si, verdadamente hermosa, especialmente por su kilometraje.
@allmau56 Жыл бұрын
Movie with really detailed and useful shots
@marioroci2630 Жыл бұрын
👍👍👍👍👍👍
@CLLUK Жыл бұрын
Muchas gracias Mario, lastima que no la tenga hoy dia :(
@allanhughes7859 Жыл бұрын
whilst a lovely bike what is this up load about ?
@CLLUK Жыл бұрын
Hey Allan. glad you like it.
@chrspchmyr3450 Жыл бұрын
Got the same klicking noise, my Mechanic tells me its normal.... What Product you put in???
@CLLUK Жыл бұрын
Hi, Wynn's Hydraulic Valve Lifter Treatment. It's a small CAN, just did a search on EBay and it's £10.
@chrspchmyr3450 Жыл бұрын
@@CLLUK ok, thanks
@napper1496 Жыл бұрын
Why didn’t piston make contact with the valve if valve was held open and you moved crankshaft afterwards?
@peterdewaele5698 Жыл бұрын
just like brand new
@CLLUK Жыл бұрын
Thanks Peter, wish I still had it! :(
@jefflittle8872 Жыл бұрын
Nice clean machine..collecting a 2009 machine on 6000mls today..out the crate condition..
@CLLUK Жыл бұрын
Thanks. Great 👍🏾 Just done 24,000 and enjoying every ride. Probably end up keeping her for many years to come.
@markputnam6371 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video, just about to do mine so very helpful. And can I just mention this has to be the cleanest XJR on the planet!
@CLLUK Жыл бұрын
Thanks Mark. It's really good to hear that these videos help people. Just clocked 24,000 now and still in same condition. Just discovered some split O rings on the chain so time for new one. ( 21k on the current chain )
@CLLUK11 ай бұрын
Good Luck. Always nice to know these videos help others. Thanks, I know, I spend too much time in cleaning sometimes. Verging on OCD.. 😊
@paologardani33642 жыл бұрын
Grazie del video
@user-iz8ou4ex7c2 жыл бұрын
sounds pretty normal. My makes just the same noises as your. Air cooled engine rattles way louder than liquid cooled.
@RossyBikes2 жыл бұрын
Hi there. Great video. What an amazing event it was. There is a photo at 30secs in of my partner and I. May I have a cope of the original please? It is such a great shot and would love to have a copy. Ross
@CLLUK2 жыл бұрын
Hi Ross, thank you. Yes, of course, how could I have missed a stunning couple :) I am quite happy with this shot as I made a silly error with the exposure and got caught on a marginal shutter speed of 1/100. Ross, if you want to drop me an email at [email protected] and I can send you the original.
@jeg5692 жыл бұрын
Started the same process today, your bike is incredibly clean. Did you get new stainless hoses made to fit the existing sump mounts?
@CLLUK2 жыл бұрын
Hi, sorry for replying after such a long time. Thanks. Hope it went well! :) I got the SS hoses not long after I got the bike. It was a simple exchange and no modification was required. I can check but I recall it was someone who made a batch of these and I found it by chance. Very happy with it too.
@jeg5692 жыл бұрын
@@CLLUK thanks for the reply.
@tdj71612 жыл бұрын
Looks very nice !!👍👍👍
@CLLUK2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@hensola2 жыл бұрын
Lovely bike, looking to upgrade from a 2019 V85 TT to a 1998 R1100R That is.. if the old owner can find his keys >.< What type of engine oil did you used to use (reading that this can be an interesting subject) :)
@CLLUK Жыл бұрын
Thanks Derek, Motul 10W40. I never had any issues.
@StanislavT2 жыл бұрын
brand new!
@HiroTABI-01182 жыл бұрын
So good!
@CLLUK2 жыл бұрын
Hi, Normally Silkolene 10W/40 ( semi-synthetic ) as used since almost new. The can is 350cc which treats upto 6L. I used 220cc.
@joehooyen7252 жыл бұрын
Hi , just curious as to what grade & brand of oil do you use? Also how much of the Wynn's do you add to the oil? For sure your XJR engine is quieter after the treatment ,my engine is quiet when warming up but sounds quite noisy when hot.....
@bartosz94962 жыл бұрын
Why this toll doesn't press the second shim holder on the same time?
@CLLUK2 жыл бұрын
Hi, yes of course, you can do both inlets or exhausts at the same time. I only focused on the one for the demonstration.
@adrianiles60192 жыл бұрын
Bmw know how to build quality motorcycles,that stand the test of time it a shame the engines and drive shafts are vulnerable
@allanhughes7859 Жыл бұрын
whats vulnreable about 200K miles ?????????????????
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Very good. It help me a lot. Thanks.
STARTING PROBLEM - SOLVED I own a 2019 R1250 GS Adventure which I bought new and I live in Victoria, Australia. I will keep this as short as possible and try and avoid going into any details that readers and fellow owners already know. I have experienced all the starting problems that have been documented by riders around the world for four years. The sudden and unexplained no-start events, the myriad of TFT screen fault messages etc. I do not know if this problem applies to every MY but it certainly applies to MY19, MY20 and MY21 as I have read user complaints online. I have used a total of four AGM batteries in four years, Exide (which caused problems in the first 3 weeks of bike delivery), Deka, Yuasa and SSB, all have been either 200 CCA or 240 CCA batteries. Batteries have always been fully charged and able to pass a load test when the bike failed to start and have been connected to an appropriate charger when the bike has not been in use. So battery problems are not confined to a specific batch of Exide batteries that were factory fitted by BMW when the bike was new. My son has an R1200 GS Adventure, he has used the same AGM batteries, and he has had zero starting problems over the four years that I have owned my bike. Regardless of the healthy status of all four AGM batteries the starting problems have always suggested that a battery power problem existed. Any mature vehicle system does not require changes to valve clearances, or require pushing whilst in gear, or any other unusual or creative change to get the vehicle to start. Does anyone have to do that with their car? Standard comments from BMW dealers have included ‘cannot replicate the fault’ and ‘they all do that’ along with others. Is BMW Motorrad really happy with that state of affairs? It has appeared so. I purchased a GOOLOO GP2000 lithium jump starter, it is small, light, and quick and easy to use. I carry it in my top box and it started the bike every time I needed it to. The bike started instantly and essentially proves that the complete starting circuit is serviceable provided that sufficient cranking power is available. BMW obviously made significant changes (mechanical & electrical) from the R1200 GS Adventure to the R1250 GS Adventure. When making those configuration changes did they carry out a detailed Power Management study under all user operating conditions, in all environments that users operate these bikes in, and over a reasonable period of time to ensure that the starting circuit for instance, from the battery right through to the starter motor and everything in-between, were compatible and actually worked? Only BMW know the answer to that question. I used the GOOLOO GP2000 for many months on many occasions to prove to myself that the starting circuit is serviceable enough to be operated as designed, and as delivered on the bike when it was new. Once I was convinced that the problem was the power source then I researched a safe and more capable alternative. You can research the various chemistries of Lithium batteries yourselves if you wish, I selected Lithium (Li) Iron (Fe) Phosphate (PO4) which is LiFePO4, it’s the safest battery chemistry and fit for purpose. I purchased a SSB Powersport Lithium Ultralite, LiFePO4, LFP14H-BS, 150mm X 87mm x 93mm. The battery came complete with screw on plastic spacers to raise the battery height to suit the motorcycle battery compartment. The bike now enthusiastically starts first time every time, under all conditions and as it should have done when I purchased it in the first place. I finally have the bike that I thought I purchased four years ago. Ignition has improved and all lights and displays have improved. If this problem went away at some production point then what was changed during production and why don’t all users know about it? Prior to starting the bike the ‘My Vehicle’ screen on the TFT display always shows a battery voltage approaching, or at, 13 volts I have an Ozcharge OC-PRO80L 12 volt 480ma LiFePO4 battery charger which I have not used again since I charged the battery when it was new straight out of the box. As soon as the charger tells you that the battery is fully charged then disconnect the charger. I have a charging pigtail lead fitted to the bike and I check the battery voltage with a meter via this lead before using the bike. The battery voltage is now always between 13.27 volts and 13.30 volts. The most the voltage ever drops in a week or more is 0.01 volts (1/100th of a volt) which is probably due to the bike internal clock and maybe a standby function of the keyless start module. The bike charging system is capable of keeping the battery charged and I will only use the battery charger/maintainer if the battery voltage ever drops below 13 volts which it hasn’t done and so far doesn’t look like it will. You do NOT, and SHOULD NOT, keep the appropriate battery charger/maintainer connected to your bike when the bike is not in use. Do I leave the GOOLOO GP2000 at home? No I don’t as I may meet a fellow R1250 GSA rider one day who is stuck at the side of the road/trail or next to a fuel pump in a service station because his bike will not start.
Hi there, Why do you use a special cam tensioner, is the one from the bike not sufficient to do the procedure ? What is the main difference ?
Hi, As I understand. The tension exerted by the BMW Chain Tensioner is set to represent the tension the the 'Running Cam Chain Tensioner' exerts at a defined engine speed under nominal conditions. I too had this question. I even thought about finding/using a mechanical tensioner (no spring) use to push the Cam Chain up. But we don't know the required force or Nm to use. There is a danger of course of tightening too much and braking/dropping the chain within the engine.
its says not suitable for a wet clutch though
How did you disconnect wire from exup vave pulley.. can't work out how it comes off. Two little pins lock it on pulley..
I will have a go at making my own adjustment tool when I get around to doing mine 👍 great video.
Thanks, Great Idea!
Buonasera posseggo un r 1100 r anno 1999 purtroppo senza paramani, vorrei acquistarli mi sapete dire come fare grazie
I disagree with your closing statement, this is a perfect instructional video! Clearly and concisely narrated at a decent volume with all necessary information and guidance, high resolution, well lit and well shot footage and no ridiculous music making it impossible to hear the voiceover - it's perfect, thanks so much for putting up a great quality "how to video" :)
Thank you, much appreciated.
Thank you for the movie, the procedure was nicely and succinctly presented. I don't entirely understand the purpose of this tool "Cam Alignment Jig" - is it used to set the cams before checking valve clearances, or is it for setting during basket assembly? Or other purpose? Thanks in advance for clarifying.
Thanks. The purpose of the Jig as I understand it is to lock the inlet and exhaust cams in their correct position at TDC whilst tightening up the end bolts to their correct torque. You raised a good point. I think it makes sense to do the cam alignment (that's if it need doing) prior to doing the valve checks/adjustment.
Same here, Portugal. 2019 r1250gsa HP. I was going to swap the battery (original) but appears to be ok, it has 12.9v after days of riding the bike. :( 10 years with honda, original battery, no problems...
Nice clean bike.
How did it go then ? This is a big issue. I think it would be great to hear how you got on. Very much appreciated.
Hi, yes, I think you're absolutely right. I was really sure that the Auto Decompression Mechanism was defective on the LHS. Now, after comparing in more detail with the RHS and others I don't think it is. I still need to complete a few further checks. What I see, though, is that the cam alignment looks out. So I shall be very soon carrying out a Cam Alignment. I've got the specialist tools for this apart from the "Cam Chain Alignment Tool" which after days of searching seems impossible to obtain. ( I did find a German retailer and ordered it, but the next day they informed me it was discontinued and refunded me :( But, good news is that I will hopefully have one on loan soon from the BMW Motor Club UK ( Southern Section ) So I will then do the Cam Alignment and put everything back together again and fingers crossed, test and ride. So, regardless what happens, I will upload a video on this bmw auto decompressor as it's different from what I am used to on other non bmw bikes. The 2nd video will be on the CAM Alignment procedure. I'm just hoping after all this, it resolved this starting issue. If it does, then it will be two things I've done. (1) Adjust valve clearances. (2) Adjust Cam Alignment. If it doesn't, then back to the drawing board.
Great instructions for the clearance check, thank You! But the adjustment needed : 1: Timing Chain Tensioner Assembly - BMW part # 83300444292; (tension for chain like in working mode) 2: Cam Alignment Jig - BMW part # 83302467268 (OK, you marked the gears, but the shaft alignment is also adjustable - right side 65 Nm ) I wonder how can you fix the decompressor! btw. I have the same starting issues. 2021-1250GS 27000km for a few months My bike has warranty, but I read everywhere dealers can't solve this problem.
Thanks. Waiting for the replacement cam shaft and specialist tools. Will need to redo valve clearances checks of course and also cam alignment. I hope to start when everything is here ( ~ 2 weeks ) Will upload another video with all the information. Looks like you've been doing your own research too! 👍 I would love to know why it failed in the first place?
Forgot to mention. The auto decompressor is integral to the exhaust cam shaft :( It comes as one part ( auto decompressor and cam shaft.) Minus the Gear Wheel and reluctor which I have to remove from the defective cam shaft and fit onto the new one. Yes, you're spot on 65Nm for the 16mm hex bots at the end and 8Nm for the Reluctor ( That's what BMW call it - the plastic composition component at the end and is part of the positional feedback system to the ECU. )
What's the mark on the rear fender? I'm looking for r850r and I can't find what fits in there
Hi. I don't know what you're referring to. Sorry. Sold the bike many years ago
Update: 24/01/2024. Since resetting the Exhaust Valves, the starting is still not completely normal. Sometimes it starts okay, sometimes not. So, I decided to open up again and look at the Auto Decompressions Mechanisms which are positioned next to the Exhaust Valve (Front) on both cylinders. (I should of done this the first time!) The Auto Decompression Mechanism only operates on the Front Exhaust Valve. Comparing both sides, it was clear that the RHS was OK and the LHS defective. This just flops around and doesn't return to the 'Start' position (ie, with the rounded profile protruding slightly above the cam lobe surface. So, this is indeed Good News and makes sense why sometimes starting is OK and others not so. I now need to look into a change out. I will upload a video on what I found later today or tomorrow.
Can you check the other clearances with the shims removed
She is a testament to your ownership a nd has only covered 4000 miles since you sold her respect stev6
I have this bike now she's still in great condition
That's lovely to hear Steve. I've always regretted selling her. Still, need to move on. Went to South of France and Italy amongst others. I really enjoyed bringing her to showroom condition during my ownership. Spend lots of money on her along the way. Hope you have happy times. Say "Hi" for me.... 😊
Just bought one myself!
Wow. Congratulations. That's fantastic! I've always regretted selling mine. Only only if I had of kept her. Even thought about buying back. I've got an R1250GS, which I love, but given the option, I would opt for the R1100R. It's not all about performance and technology! Happy riding.
@@CLLUK thank you! I rode a modern GS once and they’re an absolute blast but there’s definitely something about just you and the bike with the older 1100r
were the old ones worn already?
Hi, couldn't measure any discernible wear.
@@CLLUK ok, thanks for that. it was just for a video then? The reason i ask is, i have 2005 xjr 1300 and to my knowledge mine have never been changed. The bike has only done 22000miles do you think they would need a change?
@@Brian-ec9xt Hi Brian, i did this clearance check at the 12k service. The shims themselves seemed to be the correct rated thickness. Of the 8 clearances ( inlets and outlets ) I seem to remember only around half were slightly out of spec range. So, to keep costs down I made a table of individual clearance measurements and shim rated thickness ( as stamped on the shim ) Then I could see what shims I could move to other ports to bring the clearance within spec. Hope that makes sense. I think then I ended only buying 2 or 3 new shims. I think there's someone who did a video on this table as mentioned above.
@@Brian-ec9xt Sorry your question. It depends on the level of tappet noise I guess. Personally at 22k I would go ahead and do it. If anything else, it's an interesting job and what with the haynes WS guide and KZread videos you should be Okay.
@@CLLUK Thank you for your explanation and information, i will look into it.
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Filmed in an active war zone.
Siempre grande mi primo motero
Hi, did you put the Wynns product in and leave the bike running on tick over, or did you take it for a ride, is it necessary to change the oil immediately after adding the Wynns or can you leave it in?, cheers Mark
Hi, two very valid questions. I left in running in the garage only. Afterwards I changed the oil.
@@CLLUK Thanks CLLUK, I remember years ago using it on my Calibra 16v, yes it was that long ago!, and it worked brilliantly, 3 minutes on tick over and the ticking tappet fell silent, in that case I did as you say above and then changed the oil, my XJR has just developed a tick, it seems to have come on suddenly so I doubt it’s in need of adjustment more likely a sticking lifter, so Wynns is on order, thanks for your video 👍
@@1234567marks Excellent! I agree, I went through the same thought process. I'm not a car person so googled the Cailbra 16v. Nice.
@@CLLUK ha, it had the same effect as a space ship suddenly appearing when I got it in the early 90’s, crowds gathered around it!, 10 years later nobody gave them a glance , they are probably getting collectible now though, along with all the other old rubbish 😄
Just a footnote to this, my XJR started rattling as in the video, I got a can of Wynns, got the bike out, fired it up to warm the oil, no rattle!, so whatever was causing the lifter to stick cleared itself, therefore it may be worth waiting a couple of rides before using the Wynns, I’ve been on a couple of rides since and the rattle hasn’t returned 👍
almost bought one, but the unit i checked dont have abs
Okay, I didn't know they came without ABS. I've thought so many times of trying to find another one. Should of listened to all those people telling me not to sell it. Hope you find what you're looking for.
Quelle superbe moto 😍✌️👍
le valvoleee
Xcellent thankyou Regards from Australia
A slow I know, Thanks Mark :)
Super hit!
dias buenos: hermoza por sus cuatro costados... para variar la industra Alamana avanti...
Buenas tardes Jorge, si, verdadamente hermosa, especialmente por su kilometraje.
Movie with really detailed and useful shots
👍👍👍👍👍👍
Muchas gracias Mario, lastima que no la tenga hoy dia :(
whilst a lovely bike what is this up load about ?
Hey Allan. glad you like it.
Got the same klicking noise, my Mechanic tells me its normal.... What Product you put in???
Hi, Wynn's Hydraulic Valve Lifter Treatment. It's a small CAN, just did a search on EBay and it's £10.
@@CLLUK ok, thanks
Why didn’t piston make contact with the valve if valve was held open and you moved crankshaft afterwards?
just like brand new
Thanks Peter, wish I still had it! :(
Nice clean machine..collecting a 2009 machine on 6000mls today..out the crate condition..
Thanks. Great 👍🏾 Just done 24,000 and enjoying every ride. Probably end up keeping her for many years to come.
Awesome video, just about to do mine so very helpful. And can I just mention this has to be the cleanest XJR on the planet!
Thanks Mark. It's really good to hear that these videos help people. Just clocked 24,000 now and still in same condition. Just discovered some split O rings on the chain so time for new one. ( 21k on the current chain )
Good Luck. Always nice to know these videos help others. Thanks, I know, I spend too much time in cleaning sometimes. Verging on OCD.. 😊
Grazie del video
sounds pretty normal. My makes just the same noises as your. Air cooled engine rattles way louder than liquid cooled.
Hi there. Great video. What an amazing event it was. There is a photo at 30secs in of my partner and I. May I have a cope of the original please? It is such a great shot and would love to have a copy. Ross
Hi Ross, thank you. Yes, of course, how could I have missed a stunning couple :) I am quite happy with this shot as I made a silly error with the exposure and got caught on a marginal shutter speed of 1/100. Ross, if you want to drop me an email at [email protected] and I can send you the original.
Started the same process today, your bike is incredibly clean. Did you get new stainless hoses made to fit the existing sump mounts?
Hi, sorry for replying after such a long time. Thanks. Hope it went well! :) I got the SS hoses not long after I got the bike. It was a simple exchange and no modification was required. I can check but I recall it was someone who made a batch of these and I found it by chance. Very happy with it too.
@@CLLUK thanks for the reply.
Looks very nice !!👍👍👍
Thank you! Cheers!
Lovely bike, looking to upgrade from a 2019 V85 TT to a 1998 R1100R That is.. if the old owner can find his keys >.< What type of engine oil did you used to use (reading that this can be an interesting subject) :)
Thanks Derek, Motul 10W40. I never had any issues.
brand new!
So good!
Hi, Normally Silkolene 10W/40 ( semi-synthetic ) as used since almost new. The can is 350cc which treats upto 6L. I used 220cc.
Hi , just curious as to what grade & brand of oil do you use? Also how much of the Wynn's do you add to the oil? For sure your XJR engine is quieter after the treatment ,my engine is quiet when warming up but sounds quite noisy when hot.....
Why this toll doesn't press the second shim holder on the same time?
Hi, yes of course, you can do both inlets or exhausts at the same time. I only focused on the one for the demonstration.
Bmw know how to build quality motorcycles,that stand the test of time it a shame the engines and drive shafts are vulnerable
whats vulnreable about 200K miles ?????????????????