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1:45:18 you can't really make that assumption that Godzilla was just worried about the apes with the real threat being Shimo who can tank all his attacks in his evolve state which is indeed stronger then the blue burning form with a energy capacity 20× greater then he had before. Having to fight a army and Shimo is a legitimate threat that you would have to worry about heck I would definitely worried about such overwhelming stakes for the fate of the planet. The movie probably could have presented evolved Godzilla as a bit stronger but regarless he is stronger then he was before either in base or that blue burning form. Yes Tiamate was a necessary sacrifice if she was going to willing give up the lair to allow Godzilla to become stronger to face a army then she needed to be dealt with so he could face this threat. Let's not forget Tiamate is not even a good titan like say mothra she's labeled as a destroyer and tried to kill Godzilla unprovoked before in Dominion when Godzilla was swimming. Godzilla beat her before once he dragged her on land and back then he was starving as stated by Godzilla. She only ever stalemated a Hungry Godzilla who didn't even use the atomic breath but once Godzilla threatened to use it on her she ran away. It does makes sense a Godzilla who's well fed and in a powerful form would be able to kill her given the context. I definitely disagree with that part

@Zimzilla99

14 күн бұрын

Monarch doesn’t have any directly good stats on the regular burning form which directly no diffs a more powerful ghidorah than the one he was fighting while nuke amped. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fXWruLipf7vbfrA.htmlsi=kFiqr3FoiwRvAzbe Considering Godzilla beat them already while weaker it’s not as impressive along with the universe already doing its world ending story in Kotm it doesn’t have the same weight Godzilla simply shoots a beam into timats instead of trying to get her to submit like she’s already done before Godzilla spared Scylla, amalukh, and nakika so her role doesn’t really mean much, and if she stalemated a hungry Godzilla and Godzilla is not fully ready then it looks worse for the writing

@javonscruggs8233

14 күн бұрын

@Zimzilla99 we don't know if he actually beat Shimo or not and second Skar King did almost kill Godzilla in the past so that is something to worry about. Interms of that video I disagree with him. Shimo is far stronger than Ghidorah in terms of power. Godzilla’s base blue atomic breath was stated to be “only making the monster angrier” in the novelization compared to the atomic breath’s effect on Ghidorah(actually knocking him over and pushing him around). Not only that, but a supercharged Godzilla’s atomic breath (the strongest attack he’s ever unleashed) was only able to leave a temporary mark on her neck. That same supercharged evolved Godzilla was only able to wrestle with her 50/50 without having to resort to catching her off guard or using environmental advantages. She’s just not a fighter by nature. Kong’s entire power level before he got the glove being based off of Camazotz’ fight because in GvK “he was restrained by his habitat” is pretty weak in all honesty. I feel like using that and then scaling it to the Skar King fight is in bad faith. As for current Kong with his weapons, he can quite easily hang in there with Godzilla when in a fight now as long as Godzilla doesn’t supercharge. Godzilla has definitely gotten stronger as well. While the evolution he went through only increased his energy capacity, that increased energy capacity is what directly leads to his supercharged state being stronger than his thermonuclear state. As stated in the novelization “No one has ever seen readings like this before. Godzilla opened his arms, and for a moment, Hampton feared an explosion like the one in Boston. Instead, all that energy erupted from his mouth, stronger than ever before.”. Supercharged Evo is stronger than Thermo, and Thermo is stronger than base Evo. I don’t really agree with the video. If you want to use videos then I like to recommend a video from a channel that does scaling as well kzread.info/dash/bejne/d3l505mJm9PIdqQ.htmlfeature=shared kzread.info/dash/bejne/X5Odma6ddabdhNI.htmlfeature=shared kzread.info/dash/bejne/h42ay6WDcbKXd5s.htmlfeature=shared Also, in context, Godzilla was preparing for a all out war with Shimo and Skar king so he didn't really have time to hold back against Tiamate just kill her and move on so he could get the power he needs to save the world

@Zimzilla99

14 күн бұрын

@@javonscruggs8233 It’s only stated it was a hard fought battle and again weaker Godzilla Ghidorah was beating base KOTM Godzilla and still had the upper hand prior to the grind amp and sapped some of the burning form energy before the transformation All of ghidroahs statements and those of shimo place them on par with ghidroah having the advantage In the shimo ranking he literally states that evolved is beneath burning and doesn’t consider the fact that Godzilla would still be present at the ghidorah fight and since his uploads were structured to save the strongest for last it calls into questions all of the other scaling Or the fact that ghidorah is stated to not have been healed fully when he came out of the ice And considering Tiamat already bowed and wingard calls this a selfish action it is still a narrative flaw of the film.

@javonscruggs8233

14 күн бұрын

@Zimzilla99 putting aside the scaling, which is debate I'm not willing to get into right now but getting to Tiamate, he also said Godzilla will do anything to protect the planet and he killed her for the sake of the earth. Godzilla being selfish could still be called into question. Like yes Godzilla killed Tiamate and wanted the lair but he was doing to protect the earth from Skar King who has Shimo who wingard states could destroy the world. Tiamate also chose to attack first instead of fleeing. Personally speaking I don't find it to be a flaw more of showing how far Godzilla is willing to prepare for this massive threat. Bowing means nothing if you attack the king and disobey him as both Tiamate and Scylla did. I think Godzilla will only tolerate disobeying so much. It will be one thing if Tiamate was passive and didn't attack and Godzilla still killed her but in this case she literally attacks Godzilla wrapping her body around him and Godzilla to end it quickly

@Zimzilla99

14 күн бұрын

@@javonscruggs8233 Ultimately that makes Godzillas motivations have a utilitarian mindset, which if that is how we want to paint Godzillas actions is a terrible precedent to make because Godzilla could justifiably kill innocent people if from his perspective it was to protect the earth And no Godzilla shot first at Tiamat and the only time we see her strike first Godzilla beat her and she bowed more than likely she would do so again if the characters are consistently written

1:49:27 Kong got stronger in base then his gvk self being in the more open hollow earth environment compared to the wasting away gvk Kong who was locked up and combined with having to survive the more dangerous hollow earth creatures compared to the rather tame skullisland. Kong is stronger than he was in gvk and has mutiple statements of being the second strongest titan only behind Godzilla with a direct statement him over scylla. I also want to say Skar King has some decent durability showings he took a punch from beast glove Kong who can daze a evolve Godzilla,was able to survive a brief touch of a evolve atomic breath,and was only killed by Shimo ice beam which mostly negs durability and yet he was still alive despite being frozen before being killed by Kong. Skar King while definitely not the strongest isn't a full pushover and is upright faster then the already fast Kong. His real strength definitely comes from the forces he has on hand he's a dictator after all where with him and forces and Shimo could defeat Godzilla if he had not also had help from mothra and Kong

@Zimzilla99

14 күн бұрын

Kong is stronger but not the second strongest As shimo is directly compared to ghidroah making kong at least 4 The beast glove was designed to make kong on par with mechagodzilla implying it scales higher than him post gvk among other statements claiming mg would have outright killed kong Skar is still on his own below kong in strength, getting nicked by the evolved breath isn’t really that impressive it only means he take a small bit, same as how long couldn’t taken the atomic breath. Kong def isn’t the fastest and most of skars advantage comes from pressing kong with the whip without it and long with the axe kong can pretty much no diff

@javonscruggs8233

14 күн бұрын

@Zimzilla99 my mistake Correction I was referring to just Titans prior to Shimo and just alive currently but if you want to go with the hierarchy overall in the monsterverse, then It's Godzilla and Shimo their pretty close in power to each other with it being 50 to 50 however with statements referring to her as the strongest titan I'll give it to Shimo but only slightly,Ghidorah is next,and finally Kong. I think it’s not so much physical power is the reason I have Ghidorah above Kong but he just has no answer to Ghidorah regen and abilities and with Ghidorah physical might like punches won't be enough. When it comes to Skar King I think his agility is the best thing he has going for him. On his own I would put him below Kong but he does have decent feats like directly taking punches from beast glove Kong who can daze a base Evolved Godzilla.

@Zimzilla99

14 күн бұрын

@@javonscruggs8233 even then there are several statements where ghidorah is above shimo and even if we say shimo froze ghidorah Godzilla was there so it was still 2v1 and there are many statements across gxk material supporting mechagodzilla above kong normally And skar took several hits not consecutively while kong pummeled Godzilla resulting in the daze.

@javonscruggs8233

14 күн бұрын

@Zimzilla99 their are also statements putting her as the biggest threat. When it comes to Ghidorah theirs a lot of missing context when it comes to the psst. I their are at least three interpretations one being Godzilla beat Ghidorah then Shimo came along and froze him,two Shimo uprights beat Ghidorah,and three Shimo came along froze Ghidorah Their are just too many unknowns to be final on Ghidorah in the past vs. Shimo. I personally go with to be consistent that Godzilla beat Ghidorah then Shimo froze him which doesn't necessarily put Ghidorah above Shimo. Shimo rivaling evolve Godzilla who I have above Ghidorah has me putting her pretty comfortably above Ghidorah as well. Their are more then one way to scale and will vary base on one interpretations though for now we agree to disagree on that front when it comes to gxk scaling

@Zimzilla99

14 күн бұрын

@@javonscruggs8233 2 of those can’t be accurate at all because we know for a fact that Godzilla was present and again weaker. Whether she came by and froze him or directly froze him only says objectively that she froze him. And also know for a fact Godzilla was there. Considering shimo is being retconned there, it’s more then likely And with both in and out of inverse statements not having a good gauge for burning and nothing in gxk states that evolved is above burning, it still places burning above evolved