Never owned a motorcycle, not in the market for one, and have only ever driven one for two days perhaps 15 years ago. Not even entirely sure how i ended up on this video. But i still watched it the whole way through! Nice job. That was a fun watch.

You have answered a few of my questions, thanks for taking the time and effort to post 👍🏻.

Well done. Solid and professional. Very much appreciate the comprehensive review, conclusions, and stated reasons for the conclusion.

Great review John. Thank you! Like yourself I ended up pulling my deposit after a thorough test ride. I've had a considerable issue with ergonomics and control layout choices. If it were my first E bike I'd still definitely go for it, but as it stands, I'll be keeping my SR for the foreseeable future.

@jtchivers

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Revless! Seems there are a lot of us existing owners who've come to similar conclusions. Ironically, they've been a victim of their own success, in that existing long-term owners are perfectly happy with their existing Zero models and not willing to upgrade for comparatively little advantage. I'm certain, from talking to other owners, that the one thing which would have made that decision far harder would have been DC rapid charging. Nevertheless, it's good to hear that there is clearly a lot of demand for the SR/F. If you have the spare money and you like to have the latest tech, it's still a great bike, assuming it suits your riding habits.

I enjoyed your review and cinematography.

Linking to my site. I appreciate the detail in your comparison. I too own a DSR.

Outstanding review! Really gave me all I wanted to know.

@jtchivers

5 жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks for the kind words! :-)

A well considered conclusion to the best comprehensive and realistic test of the new Zero sr/f to date. The new Zero is a great bike, but I too have come to exactly the same conclusion. I own a DS and have now decided that I will keep the DS and maybe look at a second hand CCS equipped Energica to do my longer distance rides. Thanks for a great review John.

@jtchivers

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words, Colin. Yes, I suspect Zero are a victim of their own success for lots of existing owners due in part to their decent existing range, cost of the SR/F, and lack of rapid charging on the SR/F. Definitely a great option for many riders though looking to jump into electric motorcycle ownership, so long as it fits their budget.

@JQUICK21

5 жыл бұрын

I would go with the LIghtning Strike base bike or the Carbon Edition all day, every day and would never consider any other bike! They are light years ahead of any other brand. The Strike will be available early 2020 and Jay Leno's Garage shares all the incredible features here on KZread

@Clampett01

5 жыл бұрын

UNFINISHED FOOTSTEPS Ideally I would too go for a strike if I was to believe the hype. The only big issue for me is whether they will be able to go into significant volume production, then satisfy the high US demand and then supply bikes to Europe into a trusted dealer network in a reasonable timescale. All unfathomable at the moment.

@tomnordlie1467

3 жыл бұрын

@@JQUICK21 Lightning Motorcycles - the best electric bike no-one can buy.

What a fantastic review, no bs just lots of useful information 👍

Superb review....(apart from the music at the end.... that made my ears cry..lol.) :-) Great job!

GREAT review. Honest, true, simple, no rubbish, sensible, Very informative. THANK You. Too Bad Not in Australia. (bummer) Regards.

Here at Boom Moto, we are excited to be apart of the Electric Motorcycle revolution. We love seeing these reviews.

Great review. If they did an sr/f version of the fxs id be very tempted.

Best review till now.

Very informative review. I've still got my eye on a DS.

@jtchivers

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Marcus. Enjoy the DS if/when you get it. 👍

Thanks John for this review! Finally some actually useful information on this bike. Comprehensive, down to earth, honest, just the way any great review should be. Keep them coming John, thank you! Subscribed and turned on notifications (bell-ed). Can hardly wait for the next one :-D

@jtchivers

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words, Mark. I'm not a prolific reviewer, but try to create them along the lines of what I'd like to know.

@markaloha3446

4 жыл бұрын

@@jtchivers That concept work, stick to it please. Thanks

Great video, shame you had to start it with the loud VERY annoying music!

Nicely explained John.. This should help plenty of others I hope.

@jtchivers

5 жыл бұрын

Cheers, bud! :-)

Thanks for an excellent and honest review, John. It's pleasing to hear about some of the improvements which have been implemented, not least that inadequate (wrongly colloquially-named) 'kettle lead' connector, which doesn't even begin to be water- or condensation-resistant. It looks like a really nice bike to ride. One point to remember is that charging speeds are ultimately limited by battery chemistry and size. What this means in practice is that if the chemistry is not changed, and if thermal management is adequate, a battery with the same terminal voltage will take roughly the same time to recharge, irrespective of total capacity. If thermal management is reaching a physical limit, then the larger battery has to take longer to recharge. This is seen with the 2019 Nissan Leaf, which only has passive air cooling, and has to have charging speeds reduced as temperatures rise. So-called 'Rapidgate'. Maybe the faster charging systems for the Zero need significant changes to thermal management, and maybe even the battery design, in order to protect the battery, and ensure a long battery life, thus bumping up the price. It would be interesting to find out exactly what you would be buying if the faster option is chosen.

@jtchivers

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words, as always. Yes, I agree that active cooling is a necessity for a DC rapid charging bike. We certainly don't want Rapidgate replicated on bikes! Pity Nissan still haven't learnt the lesson with the 60 kWh LEAF too! The thing is, a bike battery doesn't need huge capacity. I would say that 100 miles range is perfectly fine with a 13 or 14.4 kWh battery, so long as recharging can be done at rapid speed. 100 miles followed by a 20-30 minute stop to charge is most certainly just fine.

Very interesting, thank you very much 👍

Nice review John👍🏻. I agree with you and respect your opinion on these electric bikes. Initial price is a huge factor and until now I didn't realise the different charging leads/ rates and availability in the UK for motorcycles, I suppose the storage compartment would be full of the required leads in reality! I've met Dale and ridden the previous models at a road show. I think the way forward is streamlined bikes not these sails that they seem to be turning out, perhaps the temperature difference between UK and California. I have contacted Lightning with interest to importing one of their new bikes, unfortunately they have no distribution line in Europe at the moment however hopefully they will have soon. The big bike manufactures need to get on board; they all have their own prototypes in the pipeline, I suppose it will be a long time before market acceptance among motorcyclists make it financially viable. However hat's off to you for pioneering the electric motorcycle ownership in the UK.

@jtchivers

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Digger! If I were in Zero's shoes, I'd be seriously working on adding DC rapid charging as a matter of urgency. All the upcoming competitors are going down that route and CCS charging gives you the best of both worlds, allowing fast charging using just an AC lead (Type 2) and rapid charging using plugs with the additional two DC connectors, and without the need to two completely separate sockets. As you say, Lightning are on board with CCS, as are Energica and Harley D. BMW will certainly go that way with their planned electric bike, and I'm pretty certain that Triumph will with theirs too. I even suspect the Japanese brands will come on board with CCS. It just makes sense in terms of real estate requirements on the bike. If Zero steadfastly refuse to embrace DC, they'll be left behind, which, given how much progress they've made in pushing electric motorbikes and building real-world ones over a decade, would be really sad.

Thanks for the insights.... very well done and helpful! I might go for an SR/F - as my first electric ride... and I'm willing to trade in my Honda CB750 (a classic from 1973 in mint condition) . To me, the CB represents the past (a beautiful past, and I love this bike) - but it's the past..... and the SR/F is the future.... and it fits into the riding pattern (2hrs rides on sunny days) - although I could also commute with the SF/R. And for the long trips and winter riding - I still have a RT.... Belt drive, aircooled, as simple as it gets - I don't see any better bike to start electric currently! I would go for the premium with the quicker charging time.... no issues with Typ 2 charger availability in Switzerland.... Need to test ride it of course... but I'm afraid I will not be able to hand it back =)

@jtchivers

5 жыл бұрын

I admire your attitude, Ralph. Sounds like it would indeed fit the majority of your riding requirements. But you're wise to keep your RT too. I still keep my Honda CBF 1000 for longer trips, including trips down to your locality. I'm sure you'll love it when you take it for a test ride. Let me know how you get on. Übrigens… Frohen Schweizer Nationalfeiertag! 👍😁

Although the Honda NC750 are a petrol driven bike they've relocated the fuel tank to rear of the bike underneath both rider and filler cap below the passages seat area . the tank could of been opened to accommodate enough storage for single helmet etc and charging unit added to tail end of bike or to its side , just same as the honda's use of now redundant space. Very clean well professional put together presented video.what type 360° camera make and model are you using? There's none to tiny areas of I stitched fuzz normally with the cams and footage I very much like to avoid all the landfill junk which full the buyers market place by buying once Thanks

Thank you for the review. I notice it has the same useless wing mirrors as the S. Incidentally the BMW C-evolution electric maxi scooter avoids the rolling on parking issue by having two rear brake calipers. One is the conventional hydraulic and the second is cable operated from the side stand, so when you put the side stand down it locks the rear wheel, the other electric bike manufacturers could do with repeating this. Charging is an issue, it is worth noting that the OLEV do not offer a grant to fit a charging socket at home for motorcycles, only for cars! I also agree with you about the need for rapid charging ability, the odd way Zero have approached this for the SR/F really seems strange.

@jtchivers

5 жыл бұрын

Some good comments there. Yes, the OLEV grant doesn't cover bikes. It doesn't even cover all cars either. It's definitely a case of having the car to qualify and then using that for the bike, if needed. I love that BMW approach to applying the brake when the side-stand is down. Didn't know about that and it seems like the perfect solution. Those lateral-thinking Bavarians, eh! :-)

@peterhatfield5632

5 жыл бұрын

And the maximum government grant is £3,500 for cars, but only £1,500 for bikes. When you consider that the Mini SE and the Harley-Davidson LiveWire cost pretty much the same, this is scandalous. I don't understand it. Ah, yes, the people who make the rules drive cars...

@IanYork

5 жыл бұрын

@@peterhatfield5632 a better comparison is between the SRF and the smart fourtwo. the fourtwo is more expensive, slower, less range, uses more materials in its construction and not as efficient as the bike. YET offers no more carry ability as it is only a two seater. BUT the purchase price for the smart is less than the zero because of the difference in the grant. not exactly encouragement to buy the more environmentally friendly vehicle

comprehensive review

Love these bikes.

Good video and a good choice you have made. The SR/F is *not* for everyone. No bike is. I love my SR/F. It suits me perfectly, but I have other bikes to ride for touring and track days. The SR/F is ideal for ripping around town, getting a short dose of adrenaline, even running errands to buy small things. Ridden gently it can cover a good range but that's not really what it is made for. I see many reviewers and people on forums complain about the SR/F's range when ridden aggressively. this shows a lack of understanding about how EVs work, even among some in the e-motorcycle community. Zero claims 12.kWhr usable capacity in the 14.4 battery. The motor can consume 80kW. At full power that motor will drain the battery in under ten minutes. That isn't realistic, of course, but does give a sense of perspective. The big motor, sporty suspension, and large sticky Perellis each point toward a bike intended for fun rather than efficiency or economy.Buying the SR/F as an economical tourer would be a terrible mistake. There will certainly be new models soon. DC fast charging, however, is not likely in Zero's immediate future. Zero uses nominally 100 volt batteries. DC fast charging in any charger protocol requires a minimum 200 volt battery. Not only will Zero have to use at least twice as many smaller cells, they will have to engineer cooling for that new pack and reengineer every high voltage component. And faster AC charging? Look at the size and weight of replacement AC chargers for cars or even some chargers sold for DIY EV builders. High power AC chargers are large, heavy, and expensive. Engineering is always a balancing act. Zero chose one set of priorities. Energica chose another. Energica had DC charging but only 3kW AC charging. The Eva is also simply too heavy. Every choice has a consequence and a cost. Consumers, of course, want every feature, and would prefer for it to be free. I'm just glad Zero finally made A bike that I find entertaining.

@jtchivers

5 жыл бұрын

Good, comprehensive, and well thought-out response, Bill. There's no doubt the SR/F is a great bike and it sounds like you made exactly the right choice for what you want it for and from an informed point of view. I deliberately aimed this video at people familiar with EVs, so it's most helpful to other existing electric bike owners or electric car owners considering a switch to two wheels. I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on the matter of charging. I'm not proposing faster AC charging, but a switch to CCS. It's the way all the other manufacturers are going or have gone. And 3.3 kW AC would be perfectly fine if the DC option is there. Zero is the only current manufacturer which makes a viable touring bike and even markets the DSR Black Forest in that way. If you're going to tour across countries viably, you really need rapid charging. I hear what you're saying about the choices they had to make, but other manufacturers have already made that choice. Sure, it takes active cooling and a higher voltage battery, but these are decisions already made by other manufacturers. When Zero were putting together a new motor and battery design, DC charging must have been a consideration and I've spoken to enough existing Zero owners and prospective interested people to know that the rapid charging is the one thing that existing owners wanted to see in the new bike and the one thing stopping many potential owners from making the jump from petrol to electric. It's why I've kept my petrol sports tourer. Ultimately, Zero will have to join the DC charging party or they will be left behind, and that would be a huge pity, because they already make great bikes and have that pedigree going back years now. But, I don't take anything away from the SR/F. It's exactly intended for what you stated. Luggage would ruin its beauty anyway, and there's no doubt that it is a beautiful bike. I hope you have many happy years riding it. :-)

@Miata822

5 жыл бұрын

@@jtchivers I do not disagree with you that DC charging is desirable or that Zero must eventually adopt it. I said it is unlikely to happen soon. Zero is a very small company. While it has a competent engineering staff there is a great deal of financial investment involved in bring out an entirely new product. the SR/F design, development, and testing took at least a couple years. Zero had to raise money to complete the development and rollout. Those investors will want to see profits from the SR/F before they will commit to raising even more funds for an even more costly endeavor. The risk with developing any product the market has demanded is that potential buyers may balk at the cost. Harley Davidson's new Livewire has specs similar to the SR/F but adds liquid cooling and DC charging. Their bike sells for 10,000USD more than the SR/F. You thought the SR/F was expensive. Zero has to find a way to deliver products the market both desires and is willing to actually pay for. Ultimately it may be a Honda or Triumph that has the financial and engineering strength to deliver what you are looking for. Zero's survival will ultimately hinge on whether they can get there first, and that will depend on financial matters more than technology.

What licence will be needed for this? And great review 👍

Nice review. Extremely informative and enjoyable (especially the town architecture). Thanks for your efforts. An EV motorcycle appeals to me, but the *minimum* range at legal, open roads speeds would have to be 150 miles; preferably closer to 200. A circa 200 mile town range and less than 100 miles on the open road dissuades me entirely. The charging time also needs to come down dramatically. A *maximum* of 20 minutes for a 0 - 80% charge is workable. If you consider how long the /actual/ refuelling time is for an ICE (not simply how long the nozzle is in the tank, but queuing, filling, paying), then the /perceived/ difference between ICE and EV for this activity reduces. Plug in the EV motorcycle, and by the time you have used the loo, had something to drink and generally stretched your legs, close to twenty minutes should have passed. Time to hit the road again, for up to another 150 miles! So: range and charging time both need to improve dramatically. It *will* come, but until then the true potential of EV motorcycles cannot begin to be delivered for riders who share my requirements (in my humble opinion).

@jtchivers

5 жыл бұрын

Agree with much of what you say, although it's worth remembering that whereas you or I may require to do longer journeys, there are large numbers of motorcyclists (and many very wealthy ones too) who only do day ride-outs and many more still who commute. The SR/F really isn't aimed at tourers. You're right in terms of where it needs to go ultimately. I'd be more than happy with 100 miles range and 20/30 minute charging: i.e. the current battery capacity with DC charging. 150 miles would indeed by ideal, but I'd rather have less range and faster charging than more range and slower charging.

@PVAPPE

5 жыл бұрын

John Chivers : Thanks for the reply. I have also been looking at the Energica Eva, which offers a *much* faster charging time, but much the same range as the SR/F (and a *much* higher retail price!), so I don’t think it will be long before the longer range/shorter charging time conundrum is solved. Perhaps EV motorcycle manufacturers will offer a range of options - as Tesla does, for example - where riders can choose a model of bike and configure the range/charging according to budget/proposed use.

I hope the electric bike manufacturers continue to offer "light motorcycle" machines in their lineup. My 2018 DS 11kW does what I need it to, power-wise and I do not really want the full SR/F (or possible DS/F) experience.

@jtchivers

5 жыл бұрын

I'm sure they will, Daniel. A range of bikes for different budgets and needs makes perfect commercial sense.

Very tempting bike,would you get this or the Ducati XDiavel....????

How did you achieve the panoramic camera shots of the rider and road? Very impressive...

@jtchivers

5 жыл бұрын

I use the Garmin 360 camera which records simultaneously in every direction. You can then render the video as a full 360 video or, like I did, render in 2D but move the camera angle in production to where you want it to point.

Good review...I think. I could only watch the first half because I was so blinded with science and baffled with BS and technicality that my brain went into meltdown and my head fell off. I've still given it the thumbs up for the nice country ride. :-)

@jtchivers

5 жыл бұрын

Haha! I'll take that. Thanks for coming along for the ride! :-)

Wow, that was an amazing presentation. You touched on every important point, and I completely agree that the SR/F just isn't THAT much better than your DSR. Another great point about DC charging. It makes no sense to completely redesign the bike, but leave that out. If they were building a new battery box, they could have rearranged some cells to boost the voltage high enough to allow for CCS, and then there would be no need for all those additional, costly chargers. Awesome video as usual!! :D

@jtchivers

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Sam! Kind words, and totally agree on the missed opportunity to put in CCS while redesigning the bike.

It need some bar end mirrors but otherwise it's a purdy thing isn't it? Same price as a 2020 Ducati Streetfighter V4S though, that's a big ask.

Hi John, Do you happen to know, if this bike will come to India?

@jtchivers

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Manish. Sorry, I have no idea about Zero's plans for India. I can see that there is obviously a huge potential for electric motorcycles in India and the viewing stats on my previous Zero S test ride video tell me how big that interest is there. It seems to be too big a potential market to miss! 👍

I don't ride motorcycles, but I like watching electric bike videos. For some reason, the lack of engine noise makes it seem like as close as you can get to flying like Superman. What do motorcycle enthusiasts feel about the lack engine noise?

@jtchivers

4 жыл бұрын

Everyone has their own view, Eric. It depends on why people ride motorbikes. Some do it for the image and sound, and even the smell. Others, like me, enjoy the actual riding: the sensation of riding bends, the progress you can make, the Roadcraft side of things. I don't care for noisy exhausts and disagree that "loud pipes save lives". Some bikers get quite defensive and even aggressive about insisting that bikes should be noisy. But most, once they've experienced electric motorcycles for themselves, do get it. The best way for the cynics to overcome their prejudices is to ride one.

Hi there, from France, Same conclusion : I own a BMW C-Evolution. I like it, but can't really go far, for a week-end ride let's say : not because of the autonomy, but because of the charging time. My next electrical 2-wheels vehicle will charge quickly.

@uttamjeetsingh7451

5 жыл бұрын

What is your next electric two wheeler that you say will charge quickly?

@robertlamantin5088

5 жыл бұрын

@@uttamjeetsingh7451 I still don't know. Guess I have to wait...

Thermal transfer interface.... a fan

You talk about fast charging but that's usually used to refer to CCS DC fast charging which is not the same as Level 2 AC charging. It got a bit confusing which one you were referring to but seeing as you only mentioned the bike having J1772/Type 2 and never mentioned a CCS port I assume when you said "fast charging" you meant Level 2 AC?

@jtchivers

5 жыл бұрын

CCS DC charging is rapid, not fast charging. Level 2 AC (typically dedicated domestic charge points and destination charge points) of 6kW or 3kW are fast, and charging through domestic sockets is slow charging. Rapid is considerably faster than fast charging. The bike does not have rapid charging. That is my underlying problem which prevented me from justifying upgrading my existing Zero DSR to the SR/F.

@Scoopta

5 жыл бұрын

@@jtchivers ahh, I live in the US and at least here we refer to DC charging as fast charging and Level 2 as Level 2. Makes more sense now. I figured that was the case but the terms in my head were colliding with what was being said lol.

Does it provide 190 nm of torque even at 20 mph?? I mean does it provide the same torque at any speed? Even en low speed?

@jtchivers

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, all the torque on an electric motor is available all the time, and without gears. It's quite simply more powerful and more efficient than an internal combustion engine.

@ridwanurrahman8945

4 жыл бұрын

@@jtchivers actually i didn’t ask is 190 nm torque available at 20 mph speed... I wanted to ask when it is cruising at 20 mph constant speed(not while accelerating from 20 mph) how much torque does it use?

Thanks for this nice review! Such a shame you have huge and hideous licence plates in England. :) Even pickup trucks have smaler letters here in Belgium.

@jtchivers

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words. Kind of agree with you on our licence plates in the UK, but I like the colour difference between front and back. Got to say though, my Belgian friend… I'm not keen on red for letters on licence plates. Whose idea was that?! At least the more modern one has a better font. :-D

@RobinTorrekensTravelVlog

5 жыл бұрын

@@jtchivers Hehe, you're welcome! Hope to see more of your good work. Well, I guess the red is something the Walloons love because they opposed when we opted to use the general European recommendations (hehe, another not E.U. rule but just recommendation, often mixed these days) ;)

What did the lazey boys in blue want, at the end of the video?

@jtchivers

5 жыл бұрын

They were just interested in the bike and were asking about it. Said they'd tried out some EVs in the police and were quite impressed. One of them said he commutes 80 miles round trip a day, so I advised he should definitely go electric with all the money he'd be saving on fuel.

Wow, that is an absolutely insane looking vehicle on the left side of the road @ 15:47

what is the gear ratio of this bike ?

@jtchivers

4 жыл бұрын

I can't help you there. Technical specifications are available on the Zero Motorcycles website, however.

Just to be clear. You are not criticizing that the Zero cannot charge at TYPE 2 speed 40-50kW and that you want the Zero to fully utilize the POTENTIAL charging speed of TYPE 2 (~28kW). I mean maybe the language is unclear but note that fast charging is 2C. For 14.4kWh battery that is ~28kW. Having a 14.4kWh battery charge at 40-50kW is dangerous and improbable. I agree 3kW charging is pretty darn slow for a 14.4kWh EV battery and Zero charging should be by default 7-8kw (0.5C) for slow and between 20-28kW for fast (if there is active thermal management). I suspect that there is no active thermal management and it is just air cooled? If so this is something that electric motorcycles need to catch up on. Also, their published 82kW power for max torque is also just for burst or extremely small amounts of time. 82kW on this battery is almost 6C. That is nuts.

@jtchivers

5 жыл бұрын

No, my only criticism is that Zero, while putting together a brand new model of bike with newly-designed motor and battery, didn't take the opportunity to move to CCS DC charging, which is emerging as the standard choice for other electric motorcycle manufacturers. I appreciate that this requires a different battery voltage and some changes, but they need to happen for the bikes to attract other riders. Fast charging is generally understood based on the kW rating, not C. 7-22 kW is commonly referred to as 'fast' charging - certainly in the UK. I'd say the charger on the premium SR/F would scrape into that. You kind of identify the problem in mentioning thermal management. You're right that thermal management is purely passive and that there is no active thermal management. Zero have done a 'Nissan' in choosing not to introduce it onto their new bike, but to be fair, it's not really required at the current charging speeds involved and under normal riding, whereas it definitely will be if or when they up their game and embrace DC charging. That said, as mentioned in the video, these bikes obviously tick the boxes for enough people to buy them. My own conclusion is based entirely on my own circumstances. But, as with many other fellow Zero owners, had the SR/F been fitted with CCS charging capabilities, it might very well have been a different outcome.

@feedallday2556

5 жыл бұрын

​@@jtchiversSorry, I misunderstood what you meant. I agree with CCS DC charging issue as it should be a standard. EVs need fast charging. No one is gonna read several chapters of a book or go on hour+ buffer binges each time they have to charge.

I did 220 miles on my motorcycle by accident last Saturday. I just lost track of time. I would be so screwed if I was riding a Zero.

@austina4189

5 жыл бұрын

You don't lose track of time on anything electric. That's how so many bikers run out of gas. They get complacent knowing a station is at the next exit.. until they can't make it. EV riders always know exactly how far they can go

@roybatty-

5 жыл бұрын

@@austina4189 Yup EV riders whole ride is spent thinking about their range. Sounds like fun. Good luck finding a charging station in the middle of the mountains, and pray that when you get there, no one is charging their Tesla XD

@austina4189

5 жыл бұрын

@@roybatty- lmao, campground outlets are around every corner in the mountains, I'm allowed in places where they ban motorcycles because of noise, I don't spend any time doing maintenance, my fuel is free, among all the other perks.. have fun with your oil changes, and enjoy your closed mind✌🏼

@roybatty-

5 жыл бұрын

@@austina4189 LMAO.... said no one ever

ac brushless or dc?

@jtchivers

5 жыл бұрын

AC brushless.

$20,000 plus for a heavy commuter. If you ride adventurously or on the freeway, you will be lucky to get half of the expected mileage. In the coming years when newer versions with much greater mileage (electric motorcycles) come out this bikes re sell will drop faster than any roller coaster, especially because its already extremely inflated selling price. If you have lots of money and really want this bike, nothing against you...but for the average consumer buying this bike is buying bitcoin at 19,000 dollars.

It's still very expensive for what you're actually getting

@JQUICK21

5 жыл бұрын

Right, for what you are getting.....no more oil changes, carb problems, filters, spark plugs, gaskets, blown heads and the sort.....

@twistyturd

5 жыл бұрын

UNFINISHED FOOTSTEPS it's all just speculation at the moment as they have not been around long enough. Yes less moving parts but a set of damn expensive batteries that will wear out and cost the same as a decent second hand combustion engined bike... I'm not convinced! It's a lovely bike it's just too expensive for what it is and would be absolutely no use for touring because of the charging time and range

@gerardmontgomery280

4 жыл бұрын

It's the same price as the 2020 Ducati Streetfighter V4S. I mean the SR/F looks amazing and all but its hard to argue with that price.

good looking bike,could be tempted but far too pricey..

@jtchivers

4 жыл бұрын

It's definitely not a budget bike. Nice bit of kit and perhaps justifiable if you really put some miles on it or you're happy to pay for an expensive toy.

Correct decision. This is still an early adopter bike really

@jtchivers

5 жыл бұрын

It's a great option for many: just not for me.

So if you go touring and run the battery flat at around 150 miles , you have to wait 4 hours for it to charge ? No thanks , call me when they are cheaper and have a much bigger charge

@jtchivers

4 жыл бұрын

That depends where you run out. You only need to find a standard electric socket to 'refuel'. In an emergency, I'd rather run out on an electric motorbike than a petrol one. What happens when you run the tank empty on a petrol bike? You're probably answering that with 'I don't' in your own mind. Similarly, I don't run the battery flat on my electric motorbike. Never done so in three years of riding it. But quite honestly, unless you ride a lot or have the disposable income, I understand your concern over the price.

@ownyourworld

4 жыл бұрын

John Chivers how long does it take to charge ?

India 🇮🇳 when comming ?

@jtchivers

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry, I don't know. You would need to contact Zero and ask them if there are plans to launch in India.

For the charging speeds you’re complaining about, you need a larger battery i.e. battery tank. Those kind of speeds with massively degrade smaller battery packs. It’s not fair to compare an electric motorcycle to an electric car. If you want to compare it to something make it apples to apples and compare it to another electric bike. And if you can’t do that, What’s the point in complaining about it?

@jtchivers

4 жыл бұрын

Well, let's compare it to the new Energica Eva Essesse 9, which has a 20 kWh battery capacity and CCS charging. Or the Lightning Strike, or the Harley Davidson LiveWire, all of which rapid charge using CCS. Is that a fair comparison?

@calebeverheart3161

4 жыл бұрын

It isn’t, because as far as I know at the least the last couple of those you mentioned aren’t for sale whatsoever. They haven’t hit the market yet. For all intensive purposes their Make-believe.

@jtchivers

4 жыл бұрын

The Energica range is available and the Lightning Strike has been sold in the States, albeit in lower-than-expected numbers. Not sure what's happening with the HD, but it's not one I'd ever consider, based on its price and looks.

Great bike but priced too much. Makes it false economy to own it.

100 miles to a charge naahhhh thanks

@jtchivers

4 жыл бұрын

It doesn't sound like it's for you. That's fine. I'll take 100 miles at under £1.50.

@ownyourworld

4 жыл бұрын

John Chivers and a purchase price of £17000 😂🤣

Surely all this talking takes your mind off the road.

@jtchivers

4 жыл бұрын

The narration was overdubbed. I kind of agree that trying to vlog destracts from riding, unless it's a commentary on the ride itself. As an advanced riding coach I have decided to try to overdub where I can. It lets me concentrate on the ride, but also allows for better audio quality, scripting, and editing.

We use MPH in the UK, just like the Yanks. No need for km/h.

@jtchivers

4 жыл бұрын

KZread has a worldwide audience. Lots of countries use km/h, so I'm happy to provide both mph and km/h.