You folks in the comments who want to hang on to Calvinism are basically saying that you don’t trust that Christ’s work on the cross is sufficient and that you must try to add your own wretched “self righteousness” to it are not trusting in Christ. This is no small matter. You are not trusting in Christ. You are trusting in yourself. You either believe the Gospel or you don’t. If you want to be judged based on YOUR works, you will get your wish, but you will fall short. If you want to trust in Christ, you will have eternal life. It’s just that simple. Forget Calvinism and trust in the pure, original Gospel. That is the Gospel that Paul preached. Not the one with all the “conditions” that man has since added.

@mangs9940

2 ай бұрын

You know what is crazy. Most Calvinists would say we are saved by grace alone,faith alone , Christ alone. Some Calvinists would reject the need to even call all people to repentance. Calling repentance a necessary act, would make it a work.

@2Chronicles714_

12 күн бұрын

Although I'm not a Calvinist it is certainly scriptural that a live faith will result in works for the glory of God. The problem today is that some can not distinguish the difference between necessary works and meritorious works. They can't get through their heads that apparently the idea that a work can be necessary without being in any way meritorious and they won't accept that repentance is necessary and yet not in any way meritorious. You won't be saved without it, but alone, it will never save you. It's Christ alone who saves you, and the role of repentance is turning away from the world (sins) in which you trusted to Jesus whom you now trust as your Lord and Savior. Repentance is the result of faith. This is why repentance always precedes Faith in scripture. Titus 2:11-14 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

this is how you know you've been taught from the Word of God-it brings forth growth and peace !

I'm a ONE POINT CHRISTIAN : "Whosoever that BELIEVES in Him shall not perish but HAS Everlasting Life" . Not : "Whosoever that BEHAVES in Him" , as Calvinism and all Lordship Salvation works righteousness systems ultimately teach . Belief /Faith in Him FOR His endless Gift of Endless Everlasting Life alone sets the Anchor in the Water , forever : John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 .

@yeshuaneitheristheresalvat8018

2 ай бұрын

You have apprehended the Spirit's mind. Blessings!

@wtom04

2 ай бұрын

@soljos1190 Great comment! I have encountered works salvationists who asserted that Samson is unsaved because of the fact that he was a fornicator - Judges 16:1 which shows that Samson had immoral sexual BEHAVIOR. However, Samson is listed in the Godly hall of faith in Hebrews 11:32. Samson would not be listed there if he was unsaved. Works salvationists will then argue that salvation in the Old Testament was by "faith + works". Again, however, we all must consider the fact that the apostle Paul quoted Genesis 15:6 in Romans 4:2-6 and Galatians 3:6 in defense of salvation by faith alone in Christ alone apart from our works in ALL DISPENSATIONS - Hebrews 13:8. Also, Galatians 3:6-8 and John 8:56 debunks the false teaching that salvation is different in the Old Testament dispensation.

@chrisking6874

2 ай бұрын

I have to remember that ... one point Christian! I wish I could have answered my pastor when he said "I'm a 4 point Calvinist"

@timgrady4630

2 ай бұрын

​@@wtom04 Thanks for your insights @wtom . Always appreciate those who come to simple childlike faith in Him for what He actually Certifies: John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 .

@soljos1190

2 ай бұрын

​@@wtom04 Tom , your points are right over the Target . Blessings to you and your dear ones in His doubtless Guarantee . So liberating on a daily basis to operate from thankfulness rather than fear . Grace makes sense .

Love the new look / editing it looks very clean and professional.

Home run Bob! 😊 Thank you! 💯💪🙏

Excellent presentation: Concise, Correct and Succinct. Well done in every way. Thanks so much. My professors in the Seminary were "Zero-Point" Calvinists. Thanks so much for this exceptional presentation.!

Love the video! What I find so odd about the concept of "Irresistible Grace" is that the Bible is all about humans resisting the will of God. And it is so obvious, I mean it's all over the Old and New Testament. Yet Calvinists refuse to see. There are none so blind . . .

I'm a 0 point calvanist🙏

Excellent

Pretty troubling picture at the beginning, right eye symbolism Bob . Freemasonic .

@karent743

2 ай бұрын

That’s funny. I know what you’re talking about BUT Bob doesn’t. He has no idea what’s going on in the world and with the Freemasons. He is ignorant of their deceptions and who they worship. He doesn’t even believe demon possession exists today ( he did a podcast on that recently) I don’t believe he is part of that, his one eye thing was out of ignorance and not a sign of allegiance. He preaches the correct saving message, he aligns with Jesus. No other Freemason false teacher does that.

@2Chronicles714_

12 күн бұрын

Correct me IF I'm wrong but Bob rejects Jesus's final command after the resurrection Luke 24:44-47 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, And REPENTANCE FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS will be preached in His name to ALL NATIONS Starting in Jerusalem. John 3:16 is not a verse for salvation but a promise for all true repentant believers that continue believing in Christ.

Amen Bob!

As good as it gets. Thanks Bob.

This guys just reinforced me that the 5 point Calvinist system is true apart from his understanding of perseverance of the saints part as he doesn’t understand it.

How can one get a copy of your newtestement commentary? Very interested. Please respond. Thank you.

@GESvids

2 ай бұрын

The Grace New Testament Commentary (Revised Edition) ed. Bob Wilkin - $35.00 faithalone.org/shop/books/grace-new-testament-commentary-revised-edition/ The Grace New Testament Commentary: Revised Edition Kindle Edition ed. Bob Wilkin - $9.99 www.amazon.com/Grace-New-Testament-Commentary-Revised-ebook/dp/B082Q3255D

Is there a study Bible KJV that has commentary from a free grace point of view? Please respond. Thank you.

@GESvids

2 ай бұрын

Are There Any Free Grace Study Bibles? - Bob Wilkin kzread.info/dash/bejne/o32WqLx8e7TPeNY.html

I’m neither a 5 point or zero point Calvinist. I am a 100% believer in the Lord Jesus!!! Slained before the foundation of the world. Foretold, by God’s prophets, that a Savior would come to restore what was lost in the garden. Oh, what love, what amazing grace! It is by faith through grace that you are saved! Anything else, takes away from the finished work of Jesus.

Bob I just want to ask, If Election is to service how do you reconcile Joh 6:39 Joh 6:44 Joh 10:25-30 Joh 17:2 Act 13:48 Rev 13:8 Rev 17:8 ? Rom 8:28-30 Rom 9:11 Rom 9:15-16 Rom 10:20 Rom 11:5-8 1Co 1:27-28 Eph 1:3-6 Col 1:12-14 2Ti 1:8-9 2Ti 2:10 Tit 1:1-2 1Pe 2:8 ?

@GESvids

2 ай бұрын

"The Doctrine of Divine Election Reconsidered: Election to Service, Not to Everlasting Life" by Bob Wilkin Autumn 2012 faithalone.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Autumn2012.pdf

"You don't have to be either" THANK YOU!

Q: do you think that if you lived in the mid-16th Century, that you would be a four point Calvinist?

amen

Can God select through various ages some individuals to be Saved before their birth when to other people non election rule exist? Can Zero point calvinism be truth but some exceptions still be available?

@GESvids

2 ай бұрын

Does God Elect Some to Everlasting Life and Others to Eternal Condemnation? - Bob Wilkin kzread.info/dash/bejne/rKN_pdeje6eredY.html Does God Elect Some to Everlasting Life and Others to Eternal Condemnation? In this video Dr. Bob Wilkin examines, whether there is biblical support for the idea that God elects certain people to everlasting life and others to eternal condemnation. Am I One of God’s Elect? faithalone.org/blog/am-i-one-of-gods-elect/ The Doctrine of Divine Election Reconsidered: Election to Service, Not to Everlasting Life by Dr. Bob Wilkin: faithalone.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Autumn2012.pdf A New View on Acts 13:48 “As Many as Were Prepared for Eternal Life Believed” by Dr. Bob Wilkin: faithalone.org/grace-in-focus-articles/a-new-view-on-acts-13-48/

@dragoncomosaics9282

2 ай бұрын

​@@GESvids Thank U. To be transparent, I believe Free Grace. This is what I wrote today in the comments elsewhere: "God gave Free Gift and U only need to believe it (that U sinned to God and worth punishment in Lake of Fire, what happened according scriptures regarding Jesus Christ life, death on the cross and resurrection from the dead, and that because of that all Us sins, including future ones, are forgiven, if U just believe/trust Jesus Christ) to get it. Jesus Christ sacrificed His life for U and U cannot add or remove anything to get Eternal life. Mixing Ur good works with what Jesus Christ done for U for Eternal Salvation means that U do not trust Him. Sacrificing Ur life for God will not save U at all in this context of Eternal life. However, it will make U blessed and blessing to other people, including God work through U so other people will be Saved)." I am not calvinist at all. Even not sure whether they are Saved at the moment, unless they were born from the Spirit of God and then started with wrong teachings like U can't know whether U are elect, Lordship Salvation and etc. U provided answers to calvinists that disagree with Ur view on Zero point calvinism but I asked questions regarding not generalizations but exceptions. For instance, I wanted to know answer not to question 'Does God Elect Some to Everlasting Life and Others to Eternal Condemnation?' but to question ''Does God Elect Some to Everlasting Life before their birth through Jesus Christ besides all those that have free will to choose Jesus Christ?. In case election apply only to service in all possible cases, how service of Evangelist can be chosen without that person Eternal Salvation first, as if that person don't know true Gospel then how he/she can share true Gospel with other people, so they can be Saved?

But, you could look at John 6:37,39,44-,45,65 and 10:26-29. In addition on the "T" read Eph. 2:1-3; 4:17-19; and on the "U" read I Cor. 1:26-31. And on the "I" read I Cor. 2:3-5; 3:5-7. And on the "P' read I Pet. 1:3-9.

@3BadBostons

2 ай бұрын

They won't, they are convinced that they choose to believe...... I don't adhere to TULIP myself, but, RC did a breakdown of the acronym and redefined it nicely.

@freegracerevival

2 ай бұрын

You can prove any doctrine by taking snippets of verses out of context.

@GESvids

2 ай бұрын

Free Grace Gospel Misunderstandings! (Decision for Christ and Sinner's Prayer) - Ken Yates kzread.info/dash/bejne/maBml6-LY86uirA.html Critics of the Free Grace Gospel frequently misunderstand what is the Free Grace Gospel. Critics think that the Free Grace Gospel is simply making a decision for Christ, praying the sinner's prayer, inviting Jesus into one's heart, or walking the aisle for Christ. Ken Yates of the Grace Evangelical Society explains why these are not the Free Grace Gospel, and what is the Free Grace Gospel. Believe in Jesus for everlasting life.

@Terrylb285

2 ай бұрын

@@3BadBostonsto me it boils down to who gets the right to Bragg about being saved, either Man does , or God ,

I believe too Can not loss your salvation because Ephesians 1:13 clearly stated that we are SEALED the the Holy Spirit of promise… how can a seal be unsealed once sealed? Then the word SEAL would have no meaning

Why would someone believe in a false doctrine named after a man? Sad.

@natevirtual

2 ай бұрын

I don't believe in some of these points because of Calvin. I believe in some of these points IN SPITE of Calvin.

Apprehended the Spirits mind for sure here Bob. However, Soteriology 101 says the same thing. So how does Provisionism differ from Free Grace if any?

@graftme3168

2 ай бұрын

Provisionism still says that a believer must persevere until the end.

@freegracerevival

2 ай бұрын

Provisionists are 1 point Calvinists. Arminians are 2 point and Calvinists are 3-5 point.

@yeshuaneitheristheresalvat8018

2 ай бұрын

Well, I have been listening to Flowers for years, and I have not heard that yet, unless I missed it? I will have to speak with them directly. Thank you.​@@graftme3168

@yeshuaneitheristheresalvat8018

2 ай бұрын

Well I just read their whole Provision Statement of faith, and I cannot find anything there that says or hints that the believer must persevere to the end to be saved. Their statement on ETERNAL SECURITY IS QUITE CLEAR AS BEING SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE AND NOTHING CAN BREAK THAT BOND. CAN YOU POINT ME TO SOMETHING I MISSED PLEASE. THANK YOU.

@yeshuaneitheristheresalvat8018

2 ай бұрын

​@@graftme3168please read my two posts to you, Thanks you.

Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again. The wind blows where it pleases, and you hear its sound, but you don’t know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit. What do these verses mean in John 3? The verses that come before John 3:16.

@GESvids

2 ай бұрын

What is the Meaning of “Born of Water” in John 3:5? Also: Is the Cross Enough? - Bob Wilkin & David Renfro kzread.info/dash/bejne/iIaGo7Z8n6aoaLA.html David Renfro and Bob Wilkin are answering a question arising from the conversation in John 3 between Jesus and Nicodemus. When Jesus mentions being “born of the Spirit and of water,” what does the water part of that phrase refer to? How does this happen? You will hear the possibilities of meaning in this podcast. And one other question - Is the cross enough? Join us each weekday for the Grace in Focus podcast! Jn 3:5-6, Born, Water, Spirit, Baptism, Regeneration, Spiritual Birth, Second Birth, Born Again, Born from Above, Proposition, Jn 3:16, 1 Cor 15

@thinketernal260

2 ай бұрын

@@GESvids the washing of regeneration is the meaning. Titus 3:5

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One of the most concerning things about Calvinism is what it does to the gospel. "Gospel" means "good news". Calvinists think that for the VAST majority of people, Christ never died to purchase them and was not raised for their justification. That God did nothing for them that they would be saved, and never wanted them anyway. They never had any chance of avoiding hell. For them there is NO good news, NO gospel possible in Calvinism. So what exactly is the "good news" that Calvinists are supposedly taking out in to the world? "Jesus died and rose again? So what? What does it have to do with ME? Was it FOR me? It most probably was not?? This is your "good news"??"

Where is this 1 or 2% coming from?

@davidwesterhoff4406

2 ай бұрын

I was wondering the same thing, my bible is missing that figure

@jamesrichardson5187

2 ай бұрын

He made it up. Calvinists don't know who the elect are, that's why they preach the gospel to everyone, so they certainly don't have a percentage in mind when talking about the elect

So, you are a 5 Point Arminian. Good to know. What does Ephesians 1:4 mean to you: “…He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, …”? Before the foundation of the world reminds me of Romans 9:13, “Just as it is written, ‘Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.’” Romans 9:16, “So then it does not depend on the one who wills or the one who runs, but on God who has mercy.” ✝️✝️✝️

@GESvids

2 ай бұрын

You Were Chosen (Ephesians 1:4) - Kenneth Yates - July 1, 2018 faithalone.org/grace-in-focus-articles/you-were-chosen/ Introduction When I was a kid, I participated in many pick-up basketball games. When we had too many players, some of us were chosen to play while some of us were not. It was always a bummer when you weren’t chosen to play. You would then have to sit on the edge of the court and simply watch. In Eph 1:4, Paul says that believers have been chosen. In this case, however, God is the One that has done the choosing. Paul writes that, “He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love.” The question is: What has God chosen us for? For Salvation/Eternal Life? Many think that Paul is saying that the believer is chosen by God for eternal life. This view sees Eph 1:4 as saying that God chose certain people in eternity past to be eternally saved, and those people will be “holy and without blame” because of their position in Christ. Because they are in Christ, all their sins are forgiven and they have been chosen to be holy forever. The Reformation Study Bible takes this view. It says that Eph 1:4 means that God has chosen people for a relationship with Himself. God’s choice always had in view the union of a fallen people with their Redeemer. Thomas Constable, in his Bible study notes, holds the same view. To be “holy” means to be set apart for God. To be “without blame” means to be without blemish and describes Jesus Christ in 1 Pet 1:19. The believer positionally has the same holiness as his Savior. Closely related to the view that Eph 1:4 is talking about God’s choosing people for eternal life is the idea that holy living is also a result of God’s choosing believers. E. K. Simpson (Ephesians, p. 26) says that God’s design in eternity past will not fail. All the chosen are also elected to live in holiness. Eadie (Ephesians, p. 21) says that this holiness includes the believer’s final perfection. It begins in this life in how the believer lives. This is the result of God choosing the believer. God gives the believer a holy heart and this heart leads to a stainless life. In summary, there are those who assert that Paul is saying that God chooses some people to go to heaven. Those He chooses will also live holy lives. People who are not chosen will go to hell. Those who are chosen have no choice in how they live. Their lives will please God. Obviously such a view means that people do not have free will. If they are not chosen by God, they cannot believe the gospel. For those chosen, they do not have free will in how they will live. They will automatically live in a godly way. Many will recoil from such a theology. In addition, it certainly seems to go against the teachings of the Bible that say that men and women are responsible for their actions. In addition, if we do not have free will, how can we be held responsible by God for anything we do or do not do? A more basic question is: Is this view the only way to understand Eph 1:4? Chosen As a Group Many have noted that in the book of Ephesians, Paul’s main emphasis is on the Church. God chose in eternity past that both believing Jews and Gentiles would be united in the Body of Christ as the Temple of God. This is the way we should understand Eph 1:4. God has chosen the Church to accomplish His will during the Church Age (Eph 1:22-23; 2:14, 16, 22). To put it simply, Eph 1:4 is not talking about God’s choosing individual people for heaven or hell and taking away their free will. Instead, Paul is talking about God’s choosing a group of people (believers) for a purpose. But what is that purpose and is it automatic? Chosen to Live Godly Lives It is very clear that Paul is saying God chose believers to live in a holy way. But this does not mean that all believers will automatically do so. The words “that we should be” in Eph 1:4 involve the use of a grammatical construction using an infinitive (“should be”). The question is whether this is something that is possible and desirable or simply automatic. In other words, are believers guaranteed that they will live holy lives or not? An infinitive can be used to indicate a result. If used in this way, one could say that Paul is saying that God chose the Church, and the result is that all believers will live holy lives. Believers would have no choice. However, as Daniel Wallace points out, the most common use of the infinitive is to indicate purpose (Wallace, Beyond the Basics, p. 592). Walter Liefeld, who is not a Free Grace writer, says that the infinitive here clearly indicates purpose (Ephesians, p. 34). If the infinitive indicates purpose, it is not automatic. Probably the most important question here is: Does the context indicate result or purpose? The idea that Paul is talking about the purpose of His choosing makes perfect sense in the context. What is the purpose of God’s choosing the Church? He wants it to be a body of believers who live in a godly way. The world is to see Him in us. We are to reflect our holy Heavenly Father in our holy actions. He created the Church for this purpose (Eph 2:10). Specifically, believers are to live holy lives “in love” (Eph 1:4). Members of the Church, even Jews and Gentiles, are to love one another. We are to love one another as Christ loved us. But as we know from the Scriptures and experience, believers often do not live up to the purpose for which God placed us in the Body of Christ. Believers are often unloving towards each other. Living holy lives in love is anything but automatic! Paul Told the Believers at Colossae the Same Thing When we conclude that in Eph 1:4, Paul is saying that members of the Church have the option to live godly lives, we see that he says the same thing in Col 1:22-23. A quick look at Col 1:22 shows that it is parallel with Eph 1:4 and Paul is dealing with the same topic. The words “holy and blameless” as well as “before Him” are the exact same words in Greek in both verses. In Col 1:22, Paul says that Christ died to present us holy and blameless before Him. We see in the next verse that this is not automatic. Believers will be holy and blameless before the Lord if they continue grounded and steadfast in the faith. Here, the word “faith” refers to the teachings of the Apostles that were challenged by the false teachers Paul was addressing in the book of Colossians. But when will believers appear “before Him”? The Judgment Seat of Christ It is unfortunate that many people assume that most verses in the NT deal with eternal salvation. Both Ephesians and Colossians were written to believers. They already knew they had eternal life. They would never appear before Christ to find out if they were going to be in the kingdom of God. Instead, all believers will appear before the Lord at the Judgment Seat of Christ (2 Cor 5:10). That is when we will appear “before Him” (Eph 1:4; Col 1:22). On that day, the Lord will evaluate the lives of believers for the purpose of rewards. To the Colossians, Paul said that he taught believers in the hope that they would be mature believers when they appear at the Judgment Seat (Col 1:28). In Ephesians, Paul wants the believers there to understand their “calling.” They were called to receive a glorious inheritance in the kingdom (Eph 1:18). If they lived holy lives they would receive at the Judgment Seat a glorious inheritance/reward in the kingdom. Conclusion When I was a kid, it was great to be chosen in pick-up basketball games. When chosen, I was part of the game. I was not on the sidelines watching others play. If you have believed in Jesus Christ for eternal life, you have been chosen. You are part of the Church, the Body of Christ. God has chosen the Church for a purpose: that we would live godly lives. That when we appear before the Judgment Seat of Christ we will be found by Him as mature believers who will receive His approval and rewards and thus bring honor and glory to Him. But such rewards and such living are not automatic. If we continue using the analogy of a basketball game, the question is: how did you play the game? Did you play in such a way that pleases the One Who chose you to be a part of His Church? God has chosen you to “play.” We have the honor and joy of doing what He chose us to do. Will we do it, or choose to just sit on the sidelines?

@GESvids

2 ай бұрын

Romans 9: A Concise Commentary - Zane C. Hodges (Part 1) faithalone.org/grace-in-focus-articles/romans-9-a-concise-commentary/ From The Grace New Testament Commentary (Revised Edition) Introduction: Paul’s Grief for Israel (9:1-5) 9:1-2. Paul strongly asserts that he is telling the truth about his concern for the spiritual state of Israel. He forcefully adds, I am not lying, and my conscience bears witness with me in the Holy Spirit. Paul’s attitude toward Israel is based on what the Scriptures reveal about that nation’s relationship to God. His feelings are his own but are also mediated to him by the Spirit through the Scriptures. He has profound sadness over the state of Israel. His emotional reaction is one of both grief and pain in his heart. They are said to be great and unceasing. His feelings for Israel are neither shallow nor intermittent. 9:3. The verb in I…could wish can mean “I almost wish.” The word accursed does not suggest eternal condemnation. Physical death, perhaps by execution, is the worst that the word implies (Acts 23:14). It is likely that this deeply Christ-like man might at times almost have wished that he could undergo death for his brothers, his fellow-countrymen according to the flesh, just as Jesus had done for him. But, of course, no such possibility was available to him. Paul is speaking here out of very deep emotions. 9:4-5. Paul’s grief for Israel is also based upon Israel’s relationship with God. They are Israelites, which denotes special divine favor (Gen 32:28). Paul lists six blessings that they have received: Adoption as sons (Exod 4:22-23); the glory; the covenants; the legislation; the sacred service; and the promises. God had called them His son, revealed His glory to them, made covenants with them (Deut 5:3; 19:1), gave them stipulations through the Law of Moses, gave them a God-ordained system of worship, and gave them many promises, including the promise of the coming Messiah. By specifically stating to whom belong the fathers Paul indicates that the nation benefited from being the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. But above all other things-and climactically-it must be said that this is the nation from whom came Christ according to the flesh. That the nation of Israel produced “the Savior of the world” (see John 4:22, 42) is indeed the very pinnacle of divine privilege. This Christ was also the One who is God over all, blessed forever. God’s Grace Is Selectively Channeled (9:6-13) 9:6. No one should suppose that anything has failed which the word of God had promised or foretold. As Paul will carefully show, Israel’s future is firmly guaranteed by that word, and nothing that has happened in the current behavior of Israel alters this ultimate reality. Israel does not consist of all those who are related to it by being a part of the nation. For Paul, it is one thing to be an Israelite in the natural sense of that word, and another thing to be an Israelite spiritually. 9:7-9. This can be seen in the experience of Abraham. Just because there is a physical descent from Abraham, that descent is not necessarily spiritual in character. Ishmael and Isaac are examples. The quotation from Gen 21:12 shows what Paul has in mind. The words, “Through Isaac shall the descendants be called your own,” are part of a response by God to Abraham regarding Sarah’s request that Ishmael and his mother, the bondwoman, should be expelled from Abraham’s home (Gen 21:12). Isaac is designated the “true” seed of Abraham, leaving Ishmael with a physical link to him but no spiritual standing as the divinely designated line of descent. Simply because people are Abraham’s descendants does not mean that they are all his children. And by this he means, as he goes on to state in v 8, that it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God. To be truly children of Abraham, Paul implies, is to be the children of God. By way of analogy, therefore, believing Israelites are children of God by faith in Christ, in contrast to unbelieving Israelites who are not. Instead, as mere physical descendants of Abraham, they are actually children of the flesh (Gal 3:7). Only believing Israelites have a spiritual sonship. These children of God are, like Isaac was, children of the promise. It is the children of the promise who are accounted as descendants of Abraham. In the case of believers, however, the promise in question is no doubt the promise of the Abrahamic blessing (Gen 12:3), which is a gospel promise (Gal 3:8-9). Isaac’s selection over Ishmael establishes the divine channel for fulfilling God’s purposes through Israel. God Himself chose this channel. 9:10. The pregnancy of Rebecca with the twins Esau and Jacob is the starting point of the new example. It is significant that Paul stresses here that this pregnancy was by one man. In the example of Isaac and Ishmael, two different mothers were involved. In theory an opponent might argue that Isaac was chosen over Ishmael because of the differing status of the two mothers, but no such difference existed for Esau and Jacob. No Israelite descended from Esau, though Isaac and Rebecca were his parents as well. 9:11-12. With Esau and Jacob, behavior and character played no part in God’s selection for the Messianic line. They had not yet been born when God’s word came to Rebecca, so naturally neither of them had…done anything good or bad. It was due entirely to God’s purpose in accordance with His choice. This has nothing to do with their eternal destiny. Paul was certainly not discussing whether Esau and Jacob will be in God’s eternal kingdom. Indeed, there is no reason to believe that either of them will not be. Instead, Paul is simply reemphasizing that God sovereignly chose the vehicle through which His purpose for Israel was to be realized. Natural, physical descent is not the basis for God’s sovereign choice. God’s favor toward Jacob was not by works but by Him who calls. Jacob became the progenitor of the nation not because of works but because God called him to that role. Paul leaves completely unaddressed the question of why God chose Jacob over Esau. It is illogical to deduce from this silence that there was nothing at all about Jacob that made him a suitable object of divine grace. In Jacob’s and Esau’s case, God’s purpose in accordance with His choice dealt with their positions relative to one another in God’s plan. Esau thus received a status inferior and subservient to that of his younger brother, Jacob (Gen 27:36-37). 9:13. Paul’s quotation of Mal 1:2-3 demonstrates that the status that Jacob obtained through the blessing of Isaac was borne out by subsequent events. It speaks of the inferior heritage of Esau in relation to Jacob as it concerns their lands. God’s treatment of Jacob’s heritage as opposed to Esau’s heritage was like the contrast between love and hate. God did not hate Esau as a person. Still less is this a reference to his eternal damnation. The descendants of Jacob had a special and superior destiny. The Israelites of Paul’s day could be divided between those who were simply descendants of Abraham and Isaac (like Ishmael and Esau were) and those whom God had “called” and “justified” apart from works. Scripture Validates God’s Mercy and Wrath in Reference to Israel (9:14-29) 9:14-16. This discussion leads to a question: There isn’t any unrighteousness with God, is there? Far from it! Paul replies. God has prerogatives regarding such matters. In Exod 33:19, God says “I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.” When it comes to mercy and compassion, God asserts His own prerogative to exercise these attributes toward the person, or persons, He Himself selects. Thus, if God acts in mercy and compassion toward Isaac or towards Jacob, there is no unrighteousness in doing so. Neither Ishmael nor Esau was deprived of anything he had a right to claim. It is God who sovereignly bestows mercy on whom He will. God, not man, determines who receives His mercy. If we ask the question, “Whom does God choose to have mercy on today?” the Pauline answer is transparent. God has chosen to have mercy upon believers, both Jew and Gentile (11:28-32). Neither here nor elsewhere in Romans does Paul suggest that anyone is prevented from believing by means of some kind of negative predestination in eternity past. At the same time, Paul would not have agreed that faith occurs without divine intervention (cf. 2 Cor 4:4-6). But Paul never tries to “harmonize” these realities. 9:17-18. The right to show mercy involves also the right not to show mercy. But in the withholding of mercy, God is free to harden whom He wishes. The Pharaoh in Exodus illustrates this principle. Once again, the issue is not that of being predestined to eternal damnation. The issue is far narrower than that. If God so chooses, He has a right to harden anyone He wishes. God declares the reason for the hardening from His perspective: “that My name may be declared in all the earth.” In short, Pharaoh was hardened that God might be glorified. In Exodus the hardening process is attributed to Pharaoh himself (Exod 8:15, 32). Had Pharaoh repented after only a few of the ten plagues, God’s power would not have been fully demonstrated. But Paul’s point is to simply insist that God had every right to do it. Both points matter for Paul’s argument. God in fact is presently having mercy on both Jews and Gentiles who believe (see 9:23-24; 11:30-32). But He has also hardened unbelieving Israel (11:25). Both are sovereign prerogatives that God exercises as He wishes. But the case of Pharaoh is instructive, since Pharaoh hardened his own heart before God hardened it. Paul would no doubt have said the same of Israel.

@GESvids

2 ай бұрын

Romans 9: A Concise Commentary - Zane C. Hodges (Part 2) faithalone.org/grace-in-focus-articles/romans-9-a-concise-commentary/ From The Grace New Testament Commentary (Revised Edition) But Paul’s development of this theme also shows that God will still have mercy on any individual Israelite who believes. Paul leaves undiscussed any particular factors that might distinguish believing and unbelieving Israelites, either in his time or in ours. The attempts to penetrate the unrevealed counsels of God on this point are futile. 9:19-21. Someone might say, “Why does God still blame anyone? For who withstands His will?” If God hardens the human heart, how could anyone do anything differently, and therefore why would God blame him for what he does? But Paul does not consider this a worthy question. The words, On the contrary, O man, who are you to answer back to God?, disallow the right of the questioner to raise this issue at all. This shows the extreme limitations on knowledge that man possesses. How can I, a mere human, possibly know in any case of hardening, the extent to which there is human culpability? So, the objection Paul is dismissing is a conceptual mismatch. One could not imagine, says Paul, that the thing molded could say to its Molder… “Why have you made me this way?” A potter, in fact, was well within his rights to take a lump from a batch of clay and make a beautiful vessel out of it. But equally he could draw from the same batch the clay needed for a vessel used in the labors of a household servant. God is the eternal “Molder” and “Potter.” In His infinite wisdom and skill, He fashions and forms human “clay” as it pleases Him to do. A vessel for honor was proudly displayed to the guests in a household. A vessel for dishonor was used for ignominious tasks and so was kept out of sight in the kitchen area or in a closet. To the vessel that reflects His glory, there is honor. To the one that serves as the dark backdrop for that glory, there is dishonor. Man has no standing at all to challenge this! Man cannot delegitimize God’s prerogatives. 9:22. The Divine Potter has a right to demonstrate His wrath and make known His power if that is what He wishes to do. Wrath here recalls Rom 1:18. Israel in unbelief has become a focus for God’s wrath. As Paul’s discussion of God’s wrath in 1:18-32 shows, the term wrath is temporal. Unbelieving Israelites do not have to remain in unbelief. In fact, God has been implicitly merciful to the vessels of wrath. This is seen in the fact that He has borne them with great patience. God has not fully judged the nation yet. 9:23-24. God’s patience towards the vessels of wrath has lengthened the time for the demonstration of His “wrath” and “power.” But it has also afforded an opportunity for God to display Himself as well in terms of the wealth of His glory. This glory is nothing less than the richness of His mercy since that mercy has now been extended to Jews and Gentiles alike (v 24). The recalcitrance of Israel which has called forth divine wrath has also been the catalyst for demonstrating how rich God is in mercy. Paul means by this that God’s mercy has overleaped the boundaries of Israel itself and has gone out to the Gentile world. The vessels of mercy that have been prepared in this way are identified as us whom in fact He has called. The idea is that this glory lies ahead, and God has been at work to get us ready for it. Those vessels consist not only of people from among the Jews, but also of people from among the Gentiles. 9:25-26. Paul now begins to enforce his point from OT proof texts. He has argued that God is dealing with unbelieving Israel through a wrath that is tempered by long patience with them, and this allowed Him to extend His mercy beyond the boundaries of Israel to Gentiles, who were not previously God’s people at all. Hosea says this is true to God’s character. The two quotations from Hosea present God’s loving acceptance of those upon whom He shows mercy, since He acknowledges them as His people and as “sons of the living God.” This acceptance is experienced by those among both the Jews and Gentiles (vv 23-24). In the very broadest sense, then, the divine action referred to by Hosea applies to all who experience new birth and who thereby become God’s sons and are members of His eternal family. What Hosea applied to Israel refers to nothing less than the wealth of mercy that God bestows on all who are part of His true people. 9:27-28. In his second quotation, taken from Isa 10:22-23, Paul wishes to establish the additional point that God’s mercy to Israel takes the form of mercy to a greatly reduced segment of the whole nation. In the Isaiah passage (see Isa 10:20-27) we see that in the Great Tribulation only a remnant of Israel will “be delivered” and survive to enter the kingdom. Jesus was speaking of these very calamities in His Olivet Discourse when He said, “And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake [i.e., for Israel’s sake] those days will be shortened” (Matt 24:22). Israel will survive though in greatly reduced numbers, precisely because of God’s mercy and fidelity to them. It is important to note that this future deliverance is from temporal divine wrath. The statement that “the remnant shall be delivered” ties the Isaiah text back to Rom 5:9-10 8:24, and, finally, to the theme in Rom 1:16. The reckoning that God would make with mankind “on the earth” would be brief. Isaiah sees the Lord “completing it and cutting it short in righteousness.” God’s righteous work of judgment will be swiftly completed. God’s mercy would finally bring His wrath to its swift consummation. 9:29. Isaiah 1:9 drives home Paul’s point. The destruction of the wicked cities of Sodom and Gomorrah is not an example of eternal damnation, but of devastating temporal judgment. Isaiah says that, but for God’s mercy, Israel might be as completely wiped out as were these two notorious cities. The OT (vv 25-29) has established that the God who sovereignly bestows mercy on whom He wishes (9:14-18) is acting now in a way consistent with Biblical revelation. As the Divine Potter, answerable to no one, He both postpones His ultimate judgment on the vessels of wrath while dealing mercifully with the vessels of mercy, both Jewish and Gentile (9:19-24). Conclusion: Israel Has Stumbled over Christ (9:30-33) Paul is now prepared to state the bottom line in his argument so far. Israel is the object of God’s wrath, and the Gentiles of His mercy, because of Israel’s rejection of Christ. He now summarizes the present situation. 9:30-31. Gentiles are among those who are now vessels of mercy (9:24). This leads to the startling result that the notoriously unrighteous Gentiles have obtained righteousness. God’s mercy is such that this is true even though these Gentiles previously were not pursuing righteousness at all. This righteousness is not based on their conduct, since they were not even pursuing such a goal, but is bestowed on them based on faith. The righteousness that is by faith, which has been obtained by Gentiles, is quite different in character from the kind pursued by Israel. The Jewish people are pursuing a form of righteousness. But it is not a faith-righteousness, but rather the law of righteousness. But this pursuit has failed (3:19-20), with the result that Israel has not attained to the law of righteousness. Though Israel pursued legal righteousness with zeal (see 10:2), they have not reached their goal. 9:32-33. The reason for Israel’s failure to attain righteousness is because they were seeking it in the wrong way. It was by means of the works of the law rather than by faith. In my translation the phrase “Stone of collision” replaces the traditional one of “stumbling” because it is too weak here. Obviously, Israel had collided violently with her promised Messiah, Jesus Christ, with the result that He died a violent death at her hands. But this collision was foretold by Isaiah the prophet. It comes from Isa 28:16 and includes the words about the believer not being ashamed. This concluding statement from Isa 28:16, “And everyone who believes in Him shall not be ashamed,” is important to the following discussion found in Romans 10 and it is cited again in 10:11. Its use there suggests that Paul understood these words as a command (e.g., “you shall not kill”) rather than as a statement (e.g., “you will not kill”). Its force, then, is that despite the rejection of Christ by Israel, for whom He is a Stone of collision, the believer in Jesus should never be ashamed of Him and of his identification with Him.

I've heard alot of horrendous presentations on KZread about Calvinism but this guy took it to easily another level of horrendous with his explanation...im actually embarrassed for him

If god knows the end from the beginning wouldn't that mean election?

@GESvids

2 ай бұрын

Does God Elect Some to Everlasting Life and Others to Eternal Condemnation? - Bob Wilkin kzread.info/dash/bejne/rKN_pdeje6eredY.html Does God Elect Some to Everlasting Life and Others to Eternal Condemnation? In this video Dr. Bob Wilkin examines, whether there is biblical support for the idea that God elects certain people to everlasting life and others to eternal condemnation. Am I One of God’s Elect? faithalone.org/blog/am-i-one-of-gods-elect/ The Doctrine of Divine Election Reconsidered: Election to Service, Not to Everlasting Life by Dr. Bob Wilkin: faithalone.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Autumn2012.pdf A New View on Acts 13:48 “As Many as Were Prepared for Eternal Life Believed” by Dr. Bob Wilkin: faithalone.org/grace-in-focus-articles/a-new-view-on-acts-13-48/

@artifacthunter1472

2 ай бұрын

@@GESvids the answer is yes God chose his family before the foundation of this world was created, and the rest are damned to hell because they are never chosen. They are fully accomplished for hell.

@dragoncomosaics9282

2 ай бұрын

No because it is only foreknowledge of God and everyone still have free will to choose.

@erickanter

2 ай бұрын

No not even close. Knowing who would believe is not the same as choosing who would believe. Stop yourself.

@jamesrichardson5187

2 ай бұрын

​@dragoncomosaics9282 so he knew they would be born knowing they would never choose him, so they were always destined to hell. That doesn't sound very different from calvanism?

Amen! Zero Point Calvinist Club! 😂Unlimited Point Grace instead! lol

@2Chronicles714_

2 ай бұрын

Can we live anyway we want because of grace?

@EndTimesMustardSeed

2 ай бұрын

@@2Chronicles714_ We should deny ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should walk in the works of God, these are good and profitable unto men. But these works don't justify us unto eternal life. Our salvation is secured by the blood of Christ, his death and burial and resurrection to whosoever would believe. Believing/putting their trust in/having faith in the payment of sins by Christ on the cross washes us clean immediately and permanently. If one decides to live any way they want (meaning something like riotous living) after receiving grace through faith then that's a bad decision and will stop spiritual growth/maturity, push unbelievers away with a bad testimony, and can result in an early physical death. So it's not good idea at all, we ought to live lives that are holy and separated unto God but can a person live any way they want because of grace, yes. Ephesians 1:13-14 lists the sequence of events in salvation and there is no condition in between sealing of the Holy Spirit and the day of redemption.

@soljos1190

2 ай бұрын

​@@2Chronicles714_ You mean Work For a Free and Never Deserving Gift ? That's what your 3-4 NECESSARY CO-CONDITIONS to earn/Deserve a meritless , undeserving Endless Gift amounts to . How THAT could be considered "good news" or Logically coherent remains ever elusive to anyone truly invested in the pursuit of Objective truth .

God has a track record of choosing some and passing over others. He chose two people to represent the entire human race. He chose to save Noah and his family over the entire human race. He chose to work only through Abram over the entire human race. Isaac over Ishmael,Jacob over Esau, the nation of Israel over all the other nations (Gods chosen people) . Notice the Passover ,only those with the blood of the lamb over the doors were saved ,why not include more . They were directed which homes would be spared by the blood. Jesus only chose 12 disciples,he could have chose more but he said no one CAN come to me UNLESS the Father draws him. Jesus only healed some and passed over others. Jesus converted Paul , Paul didn’t receive choose or accept Jesus ,in fact he was killing people who were followers of Jesus . The only reason anyone can be saved is because God did it.God is reconciling the world to himself. Not the other way around.

@GESvids

2 ай бұрын

Does God Elect Some to Everlasting Life and Others to Eternal Condemnation? - Bob Wilkin kzread.info/dash/bejne/rKN_pdeje6eredY.html Does God Elect Some to Everlasting Life and Others to Eternal Condemnation? In this video Dr. Bob Wilkin examines, whether there is biblical support for the idea that God elects certain people to everlasting life and others to eternal condemnation. Am I One of God’s Elect? faithalone.org/blog/am-i-one-of-gods-elect/ The Doctrine of Divine Election Reconsidered: Election to Service, Not to Everlasting Life by Dr. Bob Wilkin: faithalone.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Autumn2012.pdf A New View on Acts 13:48 “As Many as Were Prepared for Eternal Life Believed” by Dr. Bob Wilkin: faithalone.org/grace-in-focus-articles/a-new-view-on-acts-13-48/

@Terrylb285

2 ай бұрын

You won’t find any scriptures that teach God predestines anyone to eternal condemnation. We do just fine on our own.

Calvinism is as Unknowable as is so called Arminianism . Both human Traditions . Both deny His doubtless Guarantee of irrevocable Everlasting Life . Therefore , both are paving the "Broad Path" that the majority are clearly travelling by means of Perseverance in Performance (working) , rather that belief in Him for what He actually Certifies: John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 . Under cover of all manner of Highbrow verbiage , Reformed Soteriology denies His Free & undeserving Gift of Everlasting Life . Calvinism is the worst of all possible news , when properly understood .

@2Chronicles714_

2 ай бұрын

So why did God make us wait for the free grace movement that started in the 1970's for the true gospel?

@GESvids

2 ай бұрын

If Church History is Against the Faith-Alone Message, Why Should We Believe Church History? - Bob Wilkin & Leon Adkins kzread.info/dash/bejne/iIuMytWgmJTPaJM.html Bob Wilkin and Leon Adkins are talking about church history and eternal salvation. If church history isn’t fully reliable, shouldn’t we wholly reject it? How can we know the truth about God and eternal Salvation? - Please listen and find out! Early Church, Fathers, Church History, Experience, Reason, God’s Word, Justification, Jn 3:16, Saving Message.

@GESvids

2 ай бұрын

Assurance of Salvation in Church History - Bob Wilkin & Bob Vacendak kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y2GWvMdpiJS1cco.html In this episode, Bob Wilkin and Bob Vancendak begin a short series about the assurance of eternal salvation. Is assurance of salvation of the essence of saving faith? Today’s they will look at assurance throughout church history. Listen to this interesting episode, and then listen each weekday to the Grace in Focus podcast! Assurance, Salvation, Gospel, John, Church History, Gregory, Reformation, Luther, Calvin, Westminster Confession, Puritan, Anabaptist.

@GESvids

2 ай бұрын

Does Church History Disprove Once Saved, Always Saved? - A Documentary Film - Bob Wilkin kzread.info/dash/bejne/qoql1NGictK2Y6Q.html Bob Wilkin of the Grace Evangelical Society examines the following six issues from "Once Saved Always Saved? - A Documentary Film": 1. Is Once Saved, Always Saved the Historic Teaching of the Early Church? 2. Does Once Saved, Always Saved Teach that Apostasy is Impossible? 3. Is Assurance of Everlasting Life Possible Under Once Saved, Always Saved? 4. Is It True that Most Branches of Christianity Today Do Not Believe in Once Saved, Always Saved? 5. How Does Someone Who Rejects Once Saved, Always Saved Have Confidence That They Will Keep Their Salvation? 6. What Difference Does It Make that Once Saved, Always Saved Is Not the Historic Teaching of the Early Church and Most Branches of Christianity Today?

@GESvids

2 ай бұрын

Can You Discuss People in Church History Who Didn’t Teach Repentance as a Condition of Everlasting Life? - Bob Wilkin & Ken Yates kzread.info/dash/bejne/hnV_0NOrcrmpl5c.html Bob Wilkin and Ken Yates are talking about controversy in church history centering on repentance. What is the relation between repentance and eternal salvation? What is the Marrow Controversy? How is it like the free grace movement? Many in church history believed in and promoted a faith alone message. It is not something new! - Listen and learn with today’s episode of the Grace in Focus podcast! Church History, Repentance, Marrow Controversy

Calvinist does not even have security for his salvation,he belives he can loose it anytime in future.So he trust own works as proof/fruits as guide.Becase what if he is not elect?it only seems so

@outsider427

2 ай бұрын

Not true

TULIP is a poisonous flower!!!

I guess there might be a Calvinist that believes what you said, but I’ve never met one despite being a Presbyterian for many, many years. Actual Calvinists would say Perseverance of the Saints is synonymous with Eternal Security and Limited Atonement means that not all of humanity is saved, just those who put their faith in Jesus. I do agree with the main point - study your Bible and believe what it says, even when you don’t like it very much. Nobody likes to hear that all have sinned, the wages of sin is death, or that whoever believes that Jesus is Lord and that the Father raised Him from the dead is saved. Everybody wants to make exceptions for their preferred sin or to complicate grace. Calvinism has an explanation for how faith comes to a believer that tries to thread the theological needle though hundreds of verses so they are all true at the same time, but it doesn’t really matter. If you believe Jesus is God and that He rose from the dead, you’re saved forever.

Me too! Zero points!

Illuminati eye symbol comments from salty Calvinists in 5...4...3...

I have searched the scriptures for where it says Jesus died for the elect and cannot find any such scripture. I did however find scriptures that tell us he died for everyone, well not everyone but most everyone. 1 Timothy 1:15 Paul said this is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptations, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. Romans 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. Romans 5:8 But God commended his love toward us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Luke 19:10 Jesus said for the son of man is come to seek and to save that which is lost. I am thinking the lost are sinners. Luke 5:32 Jesus said I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. I believe that from the scriptures it is clear we are all sinners, so Christ died for everyone, except for the righteous.

@GESvids

2 ай бұрын

Did Jesus Die for Me? - Bob Wilkin kzread.info/dash/bejne/dametMSofsvgoLQ.html Did Jesus Die for Me? Did Jesus Die for the Whole World? Did Jesus Die Only for the Elect? Bob Wilkin of the Grace Evangelical Society answers these questions from the Bible. For further information, please visit: What’s Wrong with Believing in Limited Atonement? faithalone.org/blog/whats-wrong-with-believing-in-limited-atonement/

When i hear Calvinists spew their doctrine i wonder if Calvinists ever sin. Do Calvinists sin????? Yes they do.

@elgriego331

2 ай бұрын

Calvinism in itself is a sin actually.

@2Chronicles714_

2 ай бұрын

At least I'm sure they humble themselves and confess the sin and ask for forgiveness rather than pretending that that's trying to work for your salvation.

Anyone can respond? What about the Pharisees that couldn't hear His Words? ...and, where did we come up with the 1 or 2 out of 10 are elect? I am not a Calvinist, but, I do know that being born again is the elect hearing the Word of God and believing, isn't hearing where faith comes from? The enemy snuck in and planted tares among the wheat, and they are growing right next to the wheat. Tares cannot become wheat. Goats cannot become sheep. You guys do not give God all the glory because you insist that faith is a decision that you chose to make.... foolishness, the Word says we are born again, not of man's will or decision but born of God. Did we decide to be born of water? No, our parents did. So, in Colossians, when Paul says, therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved. . .. So he is just talking to disciples? Anyway, predestination to eternal life is absolutely true, so is eternal security, from before the foundation of the world.

@GESvids

2 ай бұрын

Free Grace Gospel Misunderstandings! (Decision for Christ and Sinner's Prayer) - Ken Yates kzread.info/dash/bejne/maBml6-LY86uirA.html Critics of the Free Grace Gospel frequently misunderstand what is the Free Grace Gospel. Critics think that the Free Grace Gospel is simply making a decision for Christ, praying the sinner's prayer, inviting Jesus into one's heart, or walking the aisle for Christ. Ken Yates of the Grace Evangelical Society explains why these are not the Free Grace Gospel, and what is the Free Grace Gospel. Believe in Jesus for everlasting life.

@GESvids

2 ай бұрын

Does God Elect Some to Everlasting Life and Others to Eternal Condemnation? - Bob Wilkin kzread.info/dash/bejne/rKN_pdeje6eredY.html Does God Elect Some to Everlasting Life and Others to Eternal Condemnation? In this video Dr. Bob Wilkin examines, whether there is biblical support for the idea that God elects certain people to everlasting life and others to eternal condemnation. Am I One of God’s Elect? faithalone.org/blog/am-i-one-of-gods-elect/ The Doctrine of Divine Election Reconsidered: Election to Service, Not to Everlasting Life by Dr. Bob Wilkin: faithalone.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Autumn2012.pdf A New View on Acts 13:48 “As Many as Were Prepared for Eternal Life Believed” by Dr. Bob Wilkin: faithalone.org/grace-in-focus-articles/a-new-view-on-acts-13-48/

8:08 or be a Provisionist

Me too. I can not stress enough 2 Cor 11:3. Calvin’s and others complicate and distort scripture so horribly it’s a wonder anyone believes their garbage. Eph 2:8-9 and John 3:16 says it all. Thanks for your vid’s on this subject.

@2Chronicles714_

2 ай бұрын

So we only need to know John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 to be born again? That's a tiny Bible How about Acts 2:38 & Acts 20:21 26:18-20 After all they tell us how to be born again.

@GESvids

2 ай бұрын

Why Doesn’t Acts 2:38 Mention Everlasting Life? - Bob Wilkin & Philippe Sterling kzread.info/dash/bejne/fmGim8-FhNW9orw.html Bob Wilkin and Philippe Sterling are answering a question about Acts 2:38. Is eternal salvation mentioned in Acts 2:38?

@2Chronicles714_

2 ай бұрын

In Acts 2:38 Peter replied and said unto them REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS AND receive the GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. Repent of sin followed by water baptism [ belief into Christ] for the forgiveness of sins. Without the forgiveness of sins how can you have everlasting life? Without the atonement of the blood of Jesus you are not under grace.

@jarodchronister3522

2 ай бұрын

Romans 4:5. We could do this all night long. People want to be their own reason why they get saved. Nobody gains salvation it's a FREE gift.

@2Chronicles714_

2 ай бұрын

@jarodchronister3522 What does Romans 4:5 have to do with forgiveness of sins? Not a thing. It's another passage that some teachers claim means what it doesn't. Romans 4:4-5,16 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness.:16 THAT IS WHY IT DEPENDS ON FAITH, IN ORDER THAT THE PROMISE MAY REST ON GRACE AND BE GUARANTEED TO ALL HIS OFFSPRING -NOT ONLY TO THE ADHERENT OF THE LAW BUT ALSO TO THE ONE WHO SHARES THE FAITH of Abraham, who is the father of us all" Abraham was justified by his works, (but not works alone) but because he believed with faith he did the works that God required. James 2:21-24 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; 23and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”-and he was called a friend of God. 24You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. Without works Abraham's faith would have been meaningless. Repentance and faith are two sides of the same coin. You cannot have faith without repentance, and you won't repent without faith. To say you believe without repentance is like saying you only need your right leg to walk rather than both. In Romans 4:5 his repentance/ Faith are counted for righteousness. We are saved by grace through repentance, which is the consequence of faith.

Free will isn’t a doctrine. It’s just a complaint about predestination.

@2Chronicles714_

2 ай бұрын

Free will and predestination are both found in scripture.

Zero point calvanist is not a calvinist at all. I'm 4 point, in that some fall away because of their continuing in sins that leads to death, others continue in faith because of the grace of God, the Holy Spirit keeping them. So it's four point calvanist with the fifth point sounding more like a Catholic point.

For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.

@erickanter

2 ай бұрын

God foreknew who would believe. That is not God choosing who would believe. You Calvinists are sick.

@Believe_the_Bible

2 ай бұрын

Read the verse you quoted. It says what we are predestined for. "to be conformed to the image of his Son" That can only be done ONCE we are saved, which is after we believe. Rom 4:5 KJV But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

@mikelyons2831

2 ай бұрын

God's foreknowledge of all events does not make Him the causal agent of all events (see Jeremiah 19:5 for one of many examples)

@2Timothy4.1.4

2 ай бұрын

​@@Believe_the_Bible Hi friend Ephesians 1.4 kjv How did we get ( in him) before the foundations of the world.. Blessing.

@TheRomans9Guy

2 ай бұрын

Yep, and who did God foreknow? Just keep reading. When you get to the next chapter you find out…it’s everyone!!

Thought I was in a room full of scarecrows … so many straw men!!

The most critical moment in any person's life is when God says Repent. I'm willing to take you back,I love you and want you. One thing that makes God really angry is despising His grace. He freely offers us His grace but if we despise it He turns in anger. One person who despised God's grace was Esau. He is described in Hebrews 12:14-17 We have no record of Easu ever committing adultery. But his attitude in God's eyes was just as fornication. What was his attitude? For one little bowl of soup he despised his birthright. He had the birthright as the older son, all of the inheritance could have gone to him. Esau had just come back from hunting and was hungry that type of soup is said to have a most delicious smell and taste. Jacob says you sell me your birthright and I'll give you the pottage,the soup. Esau must have thought what good is my birthright now when I'm so hungry, I'll just take what I got offered for it. And it says Esau despised his birthright. He made God extremely angry. Later the prophet Malachi said Jacob I have loved Esau I have hated. That's a very solemn thought IF you deliberately despise the grace of God and the inheritance which He offers you in Jesus Christ and turn away for some cheap temporary pleasure in this world,you make God very angry. And then it says afterward when he wanted to inherit the blessing,[he was rejected by God] for he found no place for repentance though he sought it diligently with tears. Now the Greek makes it clear he wasn't seeking the place of repentance,he was seeking the blessing. But he was rejected because he found no place, no way way to repent. A person can pass the place of repentance and never be able to get back.

YAWN 🥱

This is obviously not the true view of Calvinism. Bottom line of Calvin’s view was God is God and Lord, we are not! He made us the way we are made by God, God is never surprised by anything that happens. Man loves to put himself in the middle of the sovereignty of God. We are not in charge of anything! God is King, we are not, and as a sovereign He chooses his subjects, He lets them do what He wants, as He wants.

We do not have eternal life at the moment of repentance by faith. Throughout scripture we see passages about continuing in the faith until the end. The Apostle Jude explains we must persevere till the end to receive eternal life. Jude 17-24 But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit. 20But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 KEEP YOURSELVES IN GOD ’s LOVE AS YOU WAIT FOR THE MERCY OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST TO BRING YOU TO ETERNAL LIFE.

@aletheia8054

2 ай бұрын

We who?

@2Chronicles714_

2 ай бұрын

​@aletheia8054 We who have come to Christ in repentance resulting from the gift of Faith.

@soljos1190

2 ай бұрын

​@@2Chronicles714_ Never regenerates . Nowhere in the inspired Word of God does it clearly , explicitly , and undeniably state what you just affirmed . You are Objectively incorrect . Forgiveness of sins is nowhere the Only means of forgiveness of sins . Nor is Metanoia found as the Object and Content of one's faith whereby one is irreversibly invested with His PERFECT imputed Righteousness as an eternal status . Not ONE Everlasting Life/Evangelistic/Eternal Justification before God passage in Scripture contains Metanoia as the Object and Content of endless regeneration . Fellowship forgiveness has no mention of Metanoia (1 John 1:6-9) . Confession isn't synonymous with Metanoia/Metanoeo grammatically . Metanoia is simply Never the NECESSARY Condition of being born again with irreversible Everlasting Life in any Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/Eternal Justification before God passage . Show us the following passages in Scripture , and I'll be convinced that you have evidence to sustain your 3-4 NECESSARY CO-CONDITIONS of being paid with/deserving/being rewarded with/earning /meriting entrance into His Kingdom : 1. "Whosoever isn't Forgiven of (some?...most??...ALL???) sins until they die shall go to the Endless/Eternal/Everlasting/Forever lake of fire" . *** You must Necessarily attach Objectively verifiable (%) numbers where the question marks are found asking for definitive quantification (some?...most??...ALL???) . 2. "Whosoever is Forgiven of (some?...most??...ALL???) sins shall - upon successful completion of the 3-4 NECESSARY CO-CONDITIONS to earn/merit/deserve/be rewarded with/be paid with - shall enter His Kingdom and thus have Everlasting Life". 3. "Whosoever repents (turns from some?...most??...ALL???) sins till death shall go to the endless lake of fire" . 4. "Whosoever successfully completes the 3-4 NECESSARY CO-CONDITIONS shall earn/merit/be paid with/be rewarded with/deserve entrance into His Kingdom". ***So , the aforementioned either actually exists (Objectively, thus Exegetically) , or not . It's inescapable that thus far you've never summoned the above-mentioned to end all Doubt concerning your soteriological affirmation . Here's your chance to remove all Doubt ...

@2Chronicles714_

12 күн бұрын

​@@soljos1190 IF you would simply read the new testament starting in Matthew through Revelation you would see that your gospel is not the gospel of Jesus but a man-made piece of rebellion that will cost you your eternal soul.

Wow, you just turned me into a Calvinist. Your view is way off.

@lespaul382

2 ай бұрын

What's unfortunate....is the so called "lord" of Calvinism is Lucifer. What's even more hilarious, is that Calvinism is just Catholicism repackaged.

@2Chronicles714_

2 ай бұрын

Those who think you can live anyway you want sound like the church of satan, that teaches do what thou wilt.

@gregorylatta8159

2 ай бұрын

I guess you are lost for real!!!

@aletheia8054

2 ай бұрын

@@lespaul382 you’re a free will worshiper? You believe in meticulous self determinism

@freegracerevival

2 ай бұрын

Illuminate us please.