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@santoantonioterranova6128

7 ай бұрын

We need a brand new 24 7 Wrestling channel payed bt The TRUMP Family to show of the footage of The 1940 s to the the 90 s The Age Of Stone Cold 🥶 Steve Austin ❤

@santoantonioterranova6128

7 ай бұрын

How much $$$is it ???

@ptaweston

7 ай бұрын

The problem is it doesn't record DRM channels. That's the most important feature, because by 2027 most new TV's will have built-in ATSC 3.0 tuners. But most people will still want a DVR with 4 ATSC 3.0 tuners that can record DRM encoded channels. It's simply too early to adopt this device. Once we get closer to the FCC required conversion to 3.0, there will be several DVR devices that can do this. Also the UI software is primitive. It has a long ways to go!

@valueelectronics9390

7 ай бұрын

ZapperBox M1-1 with the single tuner is $249.95 and they also have the dual tuner M1-2 for $274.95. Nationwide delivery is free.

@LethalBubbles

7 ай бұрын

if people boycott the encryption it will not catch on

Well,they have gotten halfway there. A true DVR function without needing internet would complete the picture. Tyler,you always have the OTA scoop and that is why we all watch your videos.

@jmr

7 ай бұрын

I hope they support more then just SD cards for storage. That would be very limiting particularly if you were trying to record 4K.

@williammcginnis1232

7 ай бұрын

@@jmr They do. I'm using a portable 2TB Seagate USB3 hard drive via one of the Zapper Box's USB3 ports, and to date it has worked without issue.

@jmr

7 ай бұрын

@@williammcginnis1232 I'll have to give Zapperbox a little more attention once they get a few more things worked out.

@PC4USE1

7 ай бұрын

@@jmr Agreed

@mikemandell132

7 ай бұрын

One of the original promises of ATSC 3 was OTA guide data.

Thanks for your hard work, as local and national stations never talk about future of tv.

Had mine about a year, enjoying excellence in television engineering. Pretty good guys too.

I love your openess and honesty about the items you review, whether the companies ask you to review their items, and sponsor your review.

i got to watch as zapperbox worked their buts off getting all those encrypted channels all over the country to tune ..the broadcasters are encrypting those signals with two different standards and it took a minute to work all that out logistically ..st.louis was a tough market to service but in the end where i live all encrypted channels tune great with my zapperbox ..ive been using the dvr on my dual tuner M-1 for months now and use a samsung micro sd and have recorded 100's+ hours of content without failure ....great team they always got a minute for support ..all the updates have went smoothly ..the record quality is excellent no comprssion ..looks lossless to me ..great product worth the money :)

@zapperbox

7 ай бұрын

Thanks or your support. The "no compression" comment is worth noting. That will be a key differentiator for our products.

I'm still LOVING my Tablo!!.... Once all the hardware is purchased (even the antenna), there's NO MORE payments ever. Buy the lifetime service for a one-time fee and get a larger hard drive for storage. I bought a 5 TB USB hard drive and it all works flawlessly! It's not ATSC 3.0 but there's time for them to upgrade the firmware. Even if they don't, the signal where I'm at is CLEAR as day on any channel I want. I just do NOT like monthly fees in any way for things such as this. NICE job Tyler!!!

That would drive me nuts to have to wait 10 seconds for a channel to appear. I grew up in the 70s and 80s so I remember what it was like to turn a dial and quickly flip through and see what's on.

@zapperbox

7 ай бұрын

Channel change time will improve as we complete all DRM features. The standard has the ability to send keys in advance so the software can preauthorize channels even before you tune to them.

@totallyfrozen

7 ай бұрын

And you had to sit through commercials with no option to skip them; otherwise, you didn’t pay a dime! And you lived just fine. 👍🏻

@AAa-qd8hb

7 ай бұрын

Cable TV will not have this long delay between channels getting many people to stay on cable TV and DRM 3.0 TV Stations getting more rebroadcast fees from the cable companies.

@ebinrock

7 ай бұрын

And that probably includes the time you would have had to get up to change the channel! 🤣

@ednielsen3331

7 ай бұрын

I currently have a Tablo, and 10 seconds would be nice. It drives me totally bonkers. Hopefully, Zapperbox will come out with their Quad soon.

I know this has nothing to do with the above video but just wanted to give you my story. One, I live in Philadelphia and an antenna that was working for years suddenly didn't work. Everytime I hit an antenna TV station it just went to the home screen. Then I ordered the best indoor antenna you recommended, did a channel scan and it said I picked up an amazing (for me) 55 channels. My previous high was 47. I went to the home screen after that channel scan and all I could get was the logo of each station without any programming. This went on for weeks until I got a notice on my Firestick that said "storage problem. Delete these apps you haven't used in awhile." I deleted went back to the TV and picked up all the programming on all the antenna channels (except WPVI, 6, which I used to pick up fine). Looks like there is a direct correlation between storage on a firestick and how the antenna channels work. I had not been able to find that info on any google search.

Yeah I'm loving the '80s and the use of this zapper box. I think it's a slick item and I'm glad that I waited until they updated everything. That DVR function is out of this world!

Thanks Tyler for sharing this. Zapper Box isn’t to blame, but ATSC 3.0 DRM is a mess. The black screen for 10 seconds pretty much destroys browsing channels to see what’s on. The consortium needs to figure out a way to transmit a low resolution unencrypted thumbnail which can be viewed instantly while flipping through channels. It might not happen though as making it painful to change channels plays into the broadcaster’s hand for keeping you parked on one channel.

@AntennaMan

7 ай бұрын

I think the load time of ATSC 3.0 channels will improve with time. The same thing happened with early ATSC 1.0 tuners.

@BlobRob787

7 ай бұрын

Seems like these large media companies that own all the local TV stations "shoot themselves in the foot" when it comes to the ATSC 3.0 rollout. You can't trust private companies will ever do what is best for the consumer. The FCC needs to take charge. I suspect the FCC just doesn't have the "will" to do the right thing.

@zapperbox

7 ай бұрын

The full DRM spec allows DRM keys to be pre-cached. We will have that implemented soon. Overall channel change time will also be improved. Our current focus is implementing core features. The product will keep improving with each update.

@wtmayhew

7 ай бұрын

@@zapperbox Thank you kindly for the reply and providing ongoing improvements to your products.

@stanleyone5222

7 ай бұрын

This lag is true on our LG Nextgen TV, slow but worth the wait. My antenna is hidden behind the landscaping so a little fussy if the weather is bad, back up is switch back to reg DTV, back up to that is a HomeWorx HW-150PVR-Y22 which has never left us without a signal.

I'll be keeping an eye on these. If they follow their roadmap, they'll work just like my tablo eventually.

@bobh.4580

7 ай бұрын

It will work better than your tablet because Tablo doesn't do 3.0.

Well these updates are encouraging. I'll just keep an eye out for when the price gets low enough.

Yes!!! A definite step in the right direction.

Hi Tyler, love the video... The delay of the Zapperbox is similar to my older Tablo box buffering the video before it starts to display. I'm glad to hear that for now they can decode DRM. I'm hoping that some of the TV manufacturers like Hisense will be able to decode DRM using their built in Nextgen tuners. I would also wish that Zapperbox would be able to stream to a TV through an app. Right now my antenna connection does not come down to my TV and this is why I chose the Tablo box. Hopefully one day Zapperbox will give you an option of connecting via HDMI or WiFi broadcasting to multiple TV's in your house. Anyway enough rambling.... Just some thoughts...

@AntennaMan

7 ай бұрын

Streaming through an app is mention on the roadmap on the Zapperbox website: zapperbox.com/pages/release-notes

@zapperbox

7 ай бұрын

multi-room DVR will be added during 2024

Zapper box is fantastic. Love having access to ATSC 3.0 channels. The company is also great at responding to questions.

@totallyfrozen

7 ай бұрын

You’re part of the problem. You’re feeding the beast just because the beast wants you to.

Interesting, thank you for the information.

Cool, once they get that firmware update made then this will be a real update from those ATSC 1 recorders, and I'll look into buying one! I just hope the recording format is commonly readable and playable on Windows like those inexpensive ones usually just found on ebay create. Happy Christmas!

@Davesworld7

7 ай бұрын

Recordings would likely remain in HEVC (h.265) until VVC (h.266) replaces it which it will. HEVC is just the minimum startup codec, previous codecs are not allowed but future ones will be. All this being said, I never use Windows as the basis of a DVR just like I would never fly an airplane with Windows running any flight-critical functions. I realize that it is quite a spread.

I'll be eagerly watching for when they allow recording of nextGen/atsc3 channels

Good video Tyler. Currently using a Tablo, thanks for those video’s too, I think, with the Zbox, I’ll need one at each tv, yes? Currently Attic mounted antenna with Weinguard in line booster. Friend’s house, is antenna and Tablo only, works like a charm too. Still learning as of an hour ago 👍

@AntennaMan

5 ай бұрын

For now you will, but Zapperbox is working on a wireless connectivity solution that should be released sometime in the summer. It's probably best to wait until then before purchasing anything especially if your Tablo is working fine.

Thanks again!

Tyler, there are a couple of software packages that allow one to record DRM videos on a computer. After conversion, they can be viewed on television. Examples: Audials and DVDFab.

@AntennaMan

7 ай бұрын

You can also record it with an HDMI recorder like I did in this video.

only 1 channel out here in chicago and its a home shopping network , no thanks , very happy with my mediaworks box you did a review on

@AAa-qd8hb

7 ай бұрын

My Mediaworks box is a great 1.0 box and fully works without any internet or updates and is much cheaper to buy.

I’m happy with my ADTH box, but it’s interesting seeing what the competition has cooking up.

@AntennaMan

7 ай бұрын

Glad to hear you like the ADTH box. I'll be testing it out next.

@timbo303official9

7 ай бұрын

You can sideload apks on the box apparently as the settings is just the android settings meaning you can enable dev mode.

@perpetualcollapse

7 ай бұрын

@@timbo303official9 The internal storage is very limited and I’d imagine the specs are very low. It would be neat, but not very practical to use it as an Android TV box as way cheaper options exist dedicated for that purpose.

@Davesworld7

7 ай бұрын

@@timbo303official9 The ZapperBox is also an Android Set Top Box and it shows up as an Android device in my Google devices but for very good reason it will not allow me to install an app, it will allow me to send it to the device but it doubtfully even receives the APK and stores it. The ZapperBox already has KZread as its only streaming service and yes it will allow you to log on. I nervously tried to send NetFlix to it knowing that I could hork up the device, but it didn't let me take the risk. I'll keep it in a running state with only the features in their firmware from here on out. You will find that many if not most set top boxes are Android.

IMO any antenna DVR that can't record 4 or more show's in the same time block isn't worth buying

@AAa-qd8hb

7 ай бұрын

IMO. Do not buy any DRM ATSC 3.0 tuner boxes until DRM is removed by law. Stay on OTA 1.0 TV until OTA DRM on 3.0 TV is removed by law.

@GameMasterpg

7 ай бұрын

@@AAa-qd8hb How many Tuners a DVR can have has nothing to do with DRM

@AAa-qd8hb

7 ай бұрын

@@GameMasterpg LG is no longer selling 3.0 TVs. OTA 3.0 TV is failing because of DRM is blocking 3.0 tuners that could record many shows at the same time. ATSC 2.0 TV failed. ATSC 3.0 can also fail if people reject DRM restrictions on viewing and recording.

@LaurenGlenn

4 ай бұрын

Well, if my Silicon Dust could actually record DRM channels (it can tune DRM free ATSC 3), then I'd use that. But honestly.... that's why I spent an extra $30 on Zapperbox 2 tuner system in case Silicon Dust never fixes this DRM issue. The SD 4k will just have to run with ATSC 1.0 channels and any non-DRM channels until they figure out their issues. At least I can still use it for the time being.

Excellent! This looks like a good replacement/upgrade for my Tablo once Zapperbox supports streaming to other TVs in my home via apps like Roku. Hope we don't have to wait too long.

@KanawhaCountyWX

7 ай бұрын

I hope someday we get ATSC 3.0 TV tuner cards or USB dongles, so I can retrofit that into my nextPVR setup

@jmr

7 ай бұрын

It doesn't do network streaming at all or is that just ATSC 3 channels?

@williammcginnis1232

7 ай бұрын

@@jmr Per their FAQ and reviewing their software roadmap; gateway functionality is in the works but hasn't been released yet. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't see the light of day until if/when the restriction forbidding transmission of encrypted ATSC 3.0 content on gateway devices is lifted.

@litzdog911

7 ай бұрын

@@jmr Not yet. But it was on the list for future enhancements. And I hope it includes ATSC 3.0 channels, too.

@Davesworld7

7 ай бұрын

@@KanawhaCountyWX USB ATSC 3.0 tuners already exist. Not with decryption as far as I can tell.

HAPPY NEW YR

Does it allow watching live OTA or DVR content on a laptop or hand-held device? From outside the home? I was thinking of getting an AirTV Anywhere, but I'm in a ATSC 3 market (Boston, tho it looks like the tower all the ATSC 3 broadcasts are on is WAY outside the city, and may not have good reception in my town).

@AntennaMan

7 ай бұрын

Not yet, but the feature is listed under the roadmap on the website: zapperbox.com/pages/release-notes

What tv has the best tuner in it for using a antenna. Would also like to get Atsc 3 on it

I'd really want this dvr! It's expensive though, and i don't live in the us, the standard here is dvb-t2. If they had it in dvb-t2 format would be cool.

Hey, this box is good, but honestly, a better solution would be to not have DRM at all.

@channel91uhf

7 ай бұрын

For real man. Not adopting ATSC 3.0 until the encryption says goodbye.

@AAa-qd8hb

7 ай бұрын

LG no longer sells new ATSC 3.0 TVs. OTA DRM ATSC 3.0 TV may fail like ATSC 2.0 TV did. Only time will tell. Maybe OTA ATSC 4.0 TV without DRM will succeed.

@totallyfrozen

7 ай бұрын

@@AAa-qd8hb If people would have a little bit of backbone and stop buying the damned things, the market will correct itself. As long as the self-destructive minions buy into this, the corporations will keep pushing farther and farther.

@Michael-Joseph123

7 ай бұрын

​@AAa-qd8hb ATSC 2.0 was never brought to the market, it never made it past development.

@AAa-qd8hb

7 ай бұрын

@@Michael-Joseph123OTA DRM ATSC 3.0 TV fails if not enough people buys and accepts it. There is no extra Free Bandwidth to do both 1.0 and 3.0 at the same time. IMO. Stay on OTA 1.0 TV until DRM is removed from OTA ATSC 3.0 by law. It is the people versus the DRM private TV stations for control over the USA public airwaves.

Looks like zapperbox is keeping to their promises which is unusual for a company nowadays. 😁🤣😂

Perhaps I missed it, but does the DVR option only work with SD cards or can a USB3 drive be used as well?

@AntennaMan

7 ай бұрын

According to the FAQ below, a USB 3.0 flash drive will work as well. Sorry I didn't catch this for the video. zapperbox.com/pages/faqs-new

@daevidroselli6520

7 ай бұрын

Only a solid state supports powering up thru the usb…sandisk ss 2 terrabyte is great,a bottomless pit and enables you can pause live tv

Tyler what would you recommend to replace an aging Channel Master?

Your video give why we need Cable TV to view our local CBS station since it's owned by nexstar media.

Would you now recommend the $100 next gen tv tuner? I know you had issues with it before but what about now?

@AntennaMan

7 ай бұрын

I never tried out the ADTH tuner, nor did I ever claim it had issues.

Hey Tyler thanks for the breakdown! Just to be clear, if we want atsc 3.0 as from this tuner, we do not have to have an antenna that is specifically able to receive atsc 3.0 correct? Our existing antenna will work right?

@AntennaMan

5 ай бұрын

Correct

@Carl-tx6ek

5 ай бұрын

@@AntennaMan Thank you sir!

Tyler how does the zapper box stack up against the hdhomerun as far as channels i know it’s going to depend on location. I wish the hdhomerun had a signal meter built into the os.

@AntennaMan

7 ай бұрын

I can't say because I never tested the HDHomerun

@BlobRob787

7 ай бұрын

I have an HD Home Run, and a signal meter build into the OS should be included. Not sure it will happen. There are a couple of very low powder TV stations in my area. It would be cool to see what signal level they are at from my location.

Does this require a subscription? What is the little antenna for? Do you get digital (not OTA) channels if you connect to the internet?

I am currently trying a zapper box out and I found the 3.0 channels come in much better than the 1.0 but I'm hard of hearing and none of the 3.0 channels have closed captioning that I rely on . My biggest complaint with zapper box is the lack of response to questions, I've sent 6 emails about various things with this unit and only one reply 😢. I cant get a reply about how to cancel the subscription guide once I return this for one but there were several other questions that went unanswered.

@SamA-bi4ly

7 ай бұрын

This would be a do not buy issue for me as well with my wife is hard of hearing and relies on close captioning.

@zapperbox

7 ай бұрын

Sorry. we got really backlogged during the holidays. Still trying to catch up. See FAQ #18 on how to cancel subscription. ATSC3 captions will be enabled in next release planned for January. There is a complex interplay between DRM and ATSC3 captions and we had to defer ATSC3 captions until all DRM stations were working.

@justanotherstanczyk

7 ай бұрын

@zapperbox Are your recordings capturing the 3.0 closed captions in recordings right now? Once the CC update comes out, will I be able to go back to old recordings and see the CC?

@robm7076

7 ай бұрын

​@zapperbox and all.. I would file an FCC complaint about the DRM and captions...FCC takes captions seriously at least..not so much DRM.

The ATSC 3.0 feed of WNEM-DT over WBSF-DT is still not being decoded by Zapperbox. Just a blank screen. No lock symbol appears on the OSD. Not sure if this is a Gray or Zapperbox issue.

@AntennaMan

7 ай бұрын

Are you sure you have a good enough signal? ATSC 3.0 signals have different PLPs. Even if multiple stations are on the same RF channel, some might require a stronger signal to decode.

@gjamieson78

6 ай бұрын

@@AntennaMan it turns out I had to enable remote access on my Zapperbox and email them with my device number in order to enable DRM/encrypted content. A fairly easy process that's detailed in the FAQ on the Zapperbox website.

Do you still help people find antenna installers in their area?

@AntennaMan

7 ай бұрын

Yes, I have it's an additional option with my antenna recommendation service below: www.antennamanpa.com/antenna-recommendations.html

I bought an HDHR before this video came out and have what I consider severe audio issues with dropouts of .1 seconds maybe 10 times per half hour. I have measured the dropouts with a microphone and Audacity, and it is .1 seconds. I don't have video issues, and it is fabulous for video. I don't have reception issues and my reason for switching was the downgraded ATSC 1.0 resolution to accommodate ATSC 3.0 on my PBS channels. Twice I have noticed in the last 6 months pitch anomalies with a tremor in the pitch where the dominate pitch went from C up to E and back down below C to A# and back to C in about a half second. I have compared the same spots in these programs with the PBS Passport App, and they do not occur. I also have voices that shift erratically between speakers, mostly on commercials. The pitch issue and dropouts occur for me on both an Android phone and the Fire TV Stick. I read a negative review on Amazon that seemed to be the same audio issues on the Zapperbox, which makes me wonder if it is endemic to ATSC 3.0?

Good information. I use an LG short throw projector but noticed that their newest devices no longer include the tv tuner. Would like to see the Zapperbox hooked up to a home projector to see how it functions and if the projector's remote can control the Zapperbox. . Thanks for the good information.

@AAa-qd8hb

7 ай бұрын

LG no longer sells new atsc 3.0 TVs.

@BlobRob787

7 ай бұрын

@@AAa-qd8hb They were sued by a patent troll and lost. Because of cost they decided to remove the ATSC 3.0 tuners from their products. This patent fight is another huge problem for the ATSC 3.0 roll out.

I was drawn to Zapperbox, initially because of the two tuners and outlook for recording, etc. But the most important reason for me was Zapperbox has an HDMI out for direct connection to our big TV.

@Davesworld7

7 ай бұрын

The HDMI out and HDMI 2.1, this was a huge factor for me. The ZapperBox will become networkable anyway and there is a 4-tuner model in the works. There have been people who have asked why you need more than one tuner and they got flooded with the obvious reasons, watch one channel, record on another channel, and record more than one channel at a time. Those of us who time-shifted with VCRs know the value of being able to record as much as possible.

@Bob-gp7go

7 ай бұрын

@@Davesworld7 Two tuners was a no-brainer for me. For those who, for whatever reason, want no Internet connection, that is on the way. It obviously limits the potential for the device, to you.

Just a quick question. Does this only record antennae channels? or can this record something while laying? Example: Can this record while I'm watching a TV show from Netflix or Disney+, like Daredevil Season 3?

@AntennaMan

6 ай бұрын

This only records antenna channels

The Antenna Man aka that kid in your high school yearbook :) The thumbnail pics always look like a yearbook photo.

I'm curious how you came to the conclusion the extra start time isn't due to Zapper box hardware or the load time of keys from the internet?

@AntennaMan

7 ай бұрын

It was explained in a post on AVS forum

@jmr

7 ай бұрын

@@AntennaMan Thanks!

waiting for your review for the upcoming "Zinwell" ATSC 3.0 Nextgen boxes coming later

I just took delivery of one of these yesterday. I think overall it took me about 45 minutes to set it up. But you know what I got it to go and there should be a comparison video with zapper box and tablo. I know tablo has a lot of advantages and zapper box has a lot of advantages. But you know I did notice that the zapper box does have a sensitive tuner. It was picking up channels that I probably wouldn't have gotten before. Some I don't watch but I like to DX so I let the man.

@AntennaMan

Ай бұрын

The tuner in the Zapperbox box is definitely more sensitive than most tuners on the market including the Tablo.

Do you think 3.0 uses IP over the internet? It seems like there has been a mass migration of prime time shows from OTA to streaming platforms. Do you feel 3.0 can attract prime time shows back to OTA platforms?

@totallyfrozen

7 ай бұрын

You consider DRM encrypted subscription content to be OTA? It’s really not. It’s just another streaming service vehicle.

Which SD cards do you recommend? I did not see them listed. Thanks

@AntennaMan

7 ай бұрын

Looks like I forgot to include the link in the description. Thanks for the heads up. Below is a link to the Samsung Micro-SD card: amzn.to/475DVpu

@ken2400

7 ай бұрын

THANKS @@AntennaMan

I need a box like the hdhomerun that I can put on the network and use either SageTV, ChannelsDVR or Plex.

I actually have a 2 TB hard drive plugged into the thing and it's working in good order.

I'm in a vary bad area for tv reception! The ABC WLOS tv translator is gone and the WSPA CBS tv 7 translator went out about a year ago and no one seems to want to fix it. I have FOX and NBC, PBS is all we have . I was hoping to be able to get the channels direct with the Televes antenna I bought but the limited ATSC 1.0 reception probably doesn't help. Then the I decided not to buy a 3.0 add on box. But maybe I will after the first of the year!

I am a senior in need of help as I am ready to cut the cord. I live 50 miles from a main city and checked with my zip code and can get several channels. I am thinking about purchasing the ZapperBox but I have 4 tv's. Did you say the box will support 2 tv's? Then I thought I would purchase a good antenna to support my local channels on all 4 tv's. Do you think this would work for us?

Can't get channel 13 WIBW Topeka on any of my TVs. Maybe they are using ATSC 3.0? Is there a database or other way of determining what broadcaster are using this standard?

@AAa-qd8hb

7 ай бұрын

KZread will not let comments give internet links to what you want. Sorry, I wish I could tell you but KZread would give me a warning and delete any comments with any internet links. KZread is trying to fight spam but it's Ai is dumb and doesn't understand the difference between spam and helpful internet links.

@dargan1956

5 ай бұрын

Search for rabbitears Find the site for local TV channels. Use the Signal Search Map. Use your location and find the station you want to check. Click on the station. If there is a green double arrow pointing to the right it is a ATSC 3.0 station.

how confident is zapper box that they'll be able to offer drm support with zero internet? afaik, periodic internet access will always be required for STB tuners (unlike built-in tuners). did something change with A3SA? other question is how portable are the recordings? would assume 'none'. I suppose i've lost track but the zapper box only plays back over hdmi, right?

@AntennaMan

7 ай бұрын

I'm very confident Zapperbox will offer DRM support without internet. It's already on their timeline and they've kept their promises in regards to future features in the past. The A3SA doesn't seem to have an issue fully certifying STB units that aren't gateways like the HDHomerun. I can't answer how portable the recordings are. If you want, email me tomorrow and I can see if they are playable from the Micro-SD card on my computer.

@zapperbox

7 ай бұрын

Offline DRM will be supported soon. We have 100% confidence in that. That is also required to support recording of DRM content. Recordings are not portable yet, we store in HLS format but use a custom playlist for storage efficiency. We will eventually create a utility so you can take your non-DRM recordings on the road.

@TedPhillips

7 ай бұрын

@@zapperbox putting aside the trick of limiting it to atsc1 simulcasts, can you comment how the 'encoding rules' will work for encrypted broadcasts? (Specifically the unlimited copies provision)

So if u have the SD card do u haft to have the subscription or can u just record until u fill it up?

@AntennaMan

7 ай бұрын

No, as mentioned in the video you can still record directly to the micro-SD card without a subscription. You are just limited to recording the channel you watch or manually setting a recording based on the channel and time sort of like a VCR.

DEC 2023 Heard rumors adth atsc 3.0 tuner AVS websites conversations rumors zapperbox V2.2 having DRM issues can you clearify this ....also when previously had zapper box my LG TV tuner had more vs zapperbox... was the tuner fixed to be more sensitive ??. would like to know how about a new update channel scan..

Hi there, do you have a similar DVR item that is available in Australia please?

I'm not a fan of subscriptions like this. I'll wait and see what the DRM situation does before getting a ATSC 3.0 tuner. I'm waiting to see what happens with the HDHomeRun box since its network conencted and I should be able to tie it into plex and use that for any DVR function. I do see where this device would be useful for many people.

@CommodoreFan64

7 ай бұрын

Same here, plus there are no ATSC 3.0 stations in my market yet anyways.

Hi Tyler, your video's are great and informative. I am eyeing for a Zapperbox PVR but I need some further information, currently I use the Mediasonic Homeworx HW-150PVR-Y22 with a long range outdoor antenna and I use to get up to 40 channels but now that has dropped considerably due to interference or broadcasters switching to 3.0 and I am hoping the ATSC 3.0 will fix it. The issue is I live in southern Ontario just across the boarder and I wonder if the Zapperbox will still work on my side of the border even though I am in range of US broadcaster towers?

@AntennaMan

7 ай бұрын

Run a rabbitears.info report to see if there is an ATSC 3.0 broadcast signal in the market you pick up channels from. If it's ATSC 3.0 the last three columns will be highlighted in green. See video below for instructions: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gIB329eqfZOyfMY.html

@robertbiron

7 ай бұрын

@@AntennaMan Thanks for that but my question is more weather or not the box has border recognition via GPS or something else to block reception if not in the US, and I do appear to have ATSC 3.0 in range.

@zapperbox

7 ай бұрын

@@robertbiron ATSC3 works in Toronto. We have customers there and we just started carrying local stock in Kitchener, ON.

@robertbiron

7 ай бұрын

@@zapperbox Who is selling it in Kitchener, ON. I can't find it online to confirm

My Model 43S421 TCL 43" (ATSC 1.0) TV scanned (96) Channels, with my Outdoor antenna, located on the far east-side of Cleveland OH; whereas The Zapperbox, that I just purchased only scanned (88) channels with the same Coax Input...not sure why a cheaper-end TV scans more channels than an advanced ATSC 3.0 box? Though, I love the Live Antenna Power Graph and other perks with the Zapper Box. The Cleveland OHIO Market does not have any 4k Channels at the moment... having fun playing with this new Cylon Tech; I look forward to the 'Coming Soon' features on this device...wish they had an S-Video-Out, for my Monster TV in the Basement... wondering if turning off the live TV Pausing, would quicken the Channel Change speed?

interesting box just gave me the idea to possibly switch to where my current box (airtv 2) is starting to act up little bit have to send the reboot command on my sling account once a week and just recently for some odd reason when i went to schedule a recording it showed USB Drive Not Connected although it was and when i went to watch a live channel all i have been seeing is just the channel logo loading screen requiring me to unlink the box from my account and relink and forcing me to lose all of my recordings and the schedule talking 40 hours from 5 channels gone so i was thinking of switching to the zapperbox but the only thing it does not have is the ability to watch my local channels and recordings outside of the house compared to airtv 2 where i can watch most of my providence and some boston all the way in seattle but good idea for the item for me to possibly switch boxes to

are the recordings viewable on your phone?

@AAa-qd8hb

7 ай бұрын

You have a great question. DRM OTA ATSC 3.0 is a failure if you can not view your TV recordings anywhere with anyone you want without DRM restrictions.

@zapperbox

7 ай бұрын

not yet. 2024.

I have noticed on the zapper box with the 14 day guide data that the PBS world channel doesn't have guide on a number of time slots on Sunday. PBS kids channel didn't a just for daylight saving. I am waiting til the series shows can be moved a round. I hope zapper box will have the capability of comparing ota guide with 14 day guide data to resolve missing or show changes. At least have the "to be announced" 14 day guide data replaced with the ota data for those shows. I'm lucky because I only have one encrypted channel (ABC). Atsc 1 comes in strong.

how many channels can you record at sametime ??

Do they make a 3.0 tuner box without have an a dvr

@AntennaMan

7 ай бұрын

Yes, below is a link to one under $100: adth.com/product/adth-nextgen-tv-box/

Can you stream from this to other TV’s in the house using your home network? Only 2 tuners and the small SD card are the only negative I see. Thank Tyler.

@zapperbox

7 ай бұрын

Streaming feature will be added in 2024.

@BreakTime10101

7 ай бұрын

@@zapperbox thanks. Any chance for a 4 tuner model? Can you add an external hard drive?

@AAa-qd8hb

7 ай бұрын

If DRM was gone then everything would be better and faster.

@zapperbox

7 ай бұрын

@@AAa-qd8hb In about three months you will not notice any difference between DRM and non-DRM channels on the zapperbox.We're not taking sides on this debate. We just want to implement the standards approved by ATSC and offer the best user experience on the market.

How do I know if my 3 year old Samsung tv has ATSC-1 or ATSC-3? I have a Table device with the connected roof antenna and Firecube, how would or where would the Zapper Box fit into my wiring and connections, before the Table box or after? I don't care about the Zapper Box DVR function because my Tablo is a DVR.

@AntennaMan

7 ай бұрын

Your Samsung TV likely doesn't have an ATSC 3.0 tuner unless you paid over $1,000 for it. You would see duplicate channels if it did, one with the NextGen logo beside the channel number. For now, the Zapperbox can only connect to the TV with an HDMI cable. If you don't have any issues picking up ATSC 1.0 channels, there is not really a reason to "upgrade" to an ATSC 3.0 tuner.

Ok we are getting there little bit at a time.

@AAa-qd8hb

7 ай бұрын

OTA DRM ATSC 3.0 TV fails if not enough people buys and accepts it. There is no extra Free Bandwidth to do both 1.0 and 3.0 at the same time. 1.0 TV will be here for many years before enough people have 3.0 tuners. IMO. Stay on OTA 1.0 TV until DRM is removed from OTA ATSC 3.0 by law. It is the people versus the DRM private TV stations for control over the USA public airwaves.

Great, now if you could get a box with this level of firmware and the adth price tag... Although these are android boxes without the pleasure of installing other video aps (youtube, iptv lists m3u, pluto, Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, at least. Spotify and Pandora. )

Cord Cutter News shows NextGen TV ATSC 3.0 OTA TV Will Come to Chicago in January. Hope this is true! Please update us on the Tablo ATSC 3 OTA DVR when they also get DRM worked out on it.

Can you do A video about the box that blue tooths your phone too tv for ppl with out inter net only antenna

july 2024 why no video on channel master atsc 3.0 tuner ??? would like to see your input

@AntennaMan

26 күн бұрын

Be patient. I have a lot of other videos I am getting to first. ATSC 3.0 is not my priority as you'll see in the video I'm releasing tomorrow.

I'll be eagerly waiting for a price drop. Some of the other OTA STB are on sale now which could be a good sign of things to come.

Do you have to have a guide subscription to only record in real time? TNX!

@BlondieSL

7 ай бұрын

Adding to that question, without the subscription for internet guide, does it, like most devices, pick up EPG from the signal and build a basic guide that can be used to schedule recordings? Our Channel Master DVRs (both models) used to have internet guides that were nice and filled up for 2 weeks. But then, CM stopped supporting that. But, it's not too bad. These boxes do pick up the EPG off the signals of the channels, but only for a few hours at least.

@AntennaMan

7 ай бұрын

No subscription is required to record in real time or manually set recordings based on the air time and channel.

I also own the Zapperbox as well here in the Pittsburgh Market in Brackenridge Pennsylvania (Northeast Allegheny County). Unfortunately, My lone ATSC 3.0 Signal (WPNT 21) was weaker then all of my ATSC 1.0 channels. All of the ATSC 1.0 Channels were able to get between 50 and 90 precent depending on the station but WPNT (which carries WTAE [DRM] and WPGH as well) only had a 22 precent signal and barely decoded on WPNT/WPGH. WTAE didn't connect at all. One Thing I will also mention, The DRM encrypted channels won't work with Pubic Wifi signals either. My Antenna is a Antennas Direct ClearStream 4V.

@williammcginnis1232

7 ай бұрын

I'm surprised that is the only 3.0 signal you are getting. On my Zapperbox, ATSC 3.0 signals for WPNT 21, Fox 53, and WTAE 4 all show up on the same RF channel and I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that they are sharing the same broadcast tower until they have had an ATSC 3.0 signal for long enough that they can retire the ATSC 1.0 signal and more the 3.0 signal to their respective main towers.

@Bbabybear02

7 ай бұрын

@@williammcginnis1232 They are sharing the same tower, My point is that the signal on the ATSC 3.0 tower in my case is weaker then the ATSC 1.0 signals. That is the opposite then what Tyler is getting here.

@williammcginnis1232

7 ай бұрын

@@Bbabybear02 Tower location is still going to matter. Where I'm at the ATSC 1.0 signal for WTAE comes in at 0-10% percent signal strength; but the signal for WTAE has always been weak where I live. The ATSC 3.0 signal for WTAE comes in at 95-100% signal strength, but that is coming from what I think was previously WPNT's main tower; which was always a strong signal where I live. I believe what Tyler is saying is that an ATSC 3.0 signal should be more reliable than an ATSC 1.0 signal coming from the same broadcast tower at the same broadcast power. When the time comes that stations that you currently get a strong ATSC 1.0 signal from migrate their ATSC 3.0 broadcast to their ATSC 1.0 tower(still multiple years away, ATSC 1.0 signals aren't going away anytime soon), that is when you will start to see better signal reliability for those channels.

@penultimatename6677

7 ай бұрын

The problem with 1.0 is the towers maybe at different locations. ATSC 3.0 generally use the same tower. Once positioned for 3.0 you should get all of them. Consider a rotator

@Davesworld7

7 ай бұрын

@@Bbabybear02 It all depends on the transmit power of each RF channel not whether they are on the same tower. They most certainly do not use the same transmitter. In fact, all current ATSC 3.0 stations are on one or two RF channels in each region that has ATSC 3.0 and the RF channel(s) they share are often owned by a third party or one of the stations in the area. You cannot compare directly to the same station's ATSC 1.0, different transmitters, different power, and different RF channels. My gripe is how weak channels became because people really believed that you needed less power for ATSC 1.0 than analog so here we are.

Antenna man is smiling, its mean finnaly something will work right😊

I have a Sony 4K TV that has a built-in ATSC 3.0 tuner. I have to say that the 3.0 broadcast signal in my area looks like CRAP compared to the ATSC 1.0 picture of the same channel. The colors are all washed out, and the sound is distorted. Furthermore, I do own a Zapperbox, but have never put it into service. I may not now since you say I will need to PAY for a TV Guide subscription in order to record broadcasts. This makes the Zapperbox just another Tivo in my book. I want to record TV shows for FREE 100% of the time! Finally, I'm curious as to what video format does the Zapperbox save the video recordings in on the memory chip?

@AAa-qd8hb

7 ай бұрын

I want to know what format and amount of storage space is used for DRM ATSC 3.0 recordings. What DRM TV recordings restrictions will be put on ATSC 3.0 recordings?

@MisterPersuasion

7 ай бұрын

I think the idea of Antenna Man's video was that there already are DRM restrictions on ATSC 3.0 recordings and Zapperbox is trying to get them REMOVED.@@AAa-qd8hb

I Have The Samsung QN800C With Built-in NGT And It Looks Worse Than 1.0, Especially With HDR On. I'm In NYC There's A Few Channels Live.

I personally don't care about DVR, but what about sub channels with the new TV standard?

@AAa-qd8hb

7 ай бұрын

Most 3.0 TV Stations have no sub channels at this time until many people get 3.0 TV tuners and the TV station turns off 1.0 TV broadcasts. This may not happen in many TV markets for many years. LG no longer sells 3.0 TVs.

@jamesm568

7 ай бұрын

@@AAa-qd8hb I was just making sure my crap wasn't broke.

I just hate any subscription services for OTA, all because of DRM! Like can’t these broadcasters just let people without the hassle of encryption and all the online connectivity!

7-9 sec to tune into a DRM encrypted channel. Yikes! The unit should reporting a status message such as “decrypting” so the user knows the delay is not due to poor signal.

No mention of Plex or Emby?!?! I'm guessing it doesn't work with either? Will it ever?

@AAa-qd8hb

7 ай бұрын

If DRM is removed by law from ATSC 3.0 TV then you could have more viewing and recording options. IMO. Stay on 1.0 TV until DRM on ATSC 3.0 TV is removed by law.

@BlobRob787

7 ай бұрын

@@AAa-qd8hb Hopefully I'm wrong, but I doubt DRM will be removed by law. Our politicians are controlled by large media companies and their lobbyists who use campaign donations to make sure each and every Congressman or Senator in Washington will keep DRM in place. Unfortunately this is the American system we live in.

I wonder how well it will handle Closed Captions or subtitles.

@zapperbox

7 ай бұрын

ATSC 1.0 captions work fully. ATSC 3.0 captions are coming next month.

Nextgentv seems to be becoming nevergentv since it does not seem to be getting rolled out in more markets

@eminence_front6043

7 ай бұрын

At this point I'm not surprised. Not as enthusiastic about Nextgen now that encryption has reared its ugly head.

@AAa-qd8hb

7 ай бұрын

IMO. Do not buy any DRM ATSC 3.0 tuner boxes until DRM is removed by law. Stay on OTA 1.0 TV until OTA DRM on 3.0 TV is removed by law.

I’m paying directv $167 a month. This is a good deal!

We will have to come up with a new term for 'Channel Surfing' as channel flipping has become arduously slow. Channel Crawling? Help me out folks...

@AAa-qd8hb

7 ай бұрын

I love it "channel crawling". You made my day.

You remind me so much of Scotty McCreery I get confused !

I'm shocked you didn't point out that you were capturing DRM encrypted content with your HDMI capture device! Isn't that like the whole point of the DRM encryption? Can you verify that you weren't bypassing HDCP?

@AntennaMan

7 ай бұрын

I didn't feel the need to point it out because I wanted to keep the focus of this video on the Zapperbox review and not anti-DRM rants which I've done plenty of in previous videos. In addition, I didn't want to bring awareness of this flaw to the A3SA since some members watch my videos. It's the same reason I don't make a video about bypassing carrier hotspot restrictions on Android smartphones. The carriers would see my video and close the loophole.

@AAa-qd8hb

7 ай бұрын

If people can bypass OTA ATSC 3.0 DRM protections by using the HDMI output port to make TV recordings, what is the point to OTA DRM on ATSC 3.0? There is no DRM on ATSC 1.0 TV recordings. Does the public want DRM restrictions on ATSC 3.0 recordings and viewing anywhere on any device? DRM only stops honest people from the freedom to watch TV anywhere on any device without DRM restrictions.

@timbo303official9

7 ай бұрын

Thats because hdcp is broken for non 4k standards hence the homemade webrips you can make. Hdcp works for 4k since theres no good capture cards currently that can output 4k hdr while bypassing it.

@AAa-qd8hb

7 ай бұрын

@@timbo303official9 Thank you for the update.

@zapperbox

7 ай бұрын

This topic is pretty complex. DRM can be set to allow recordings over HDCP depending on the HDCP version. We have tested this enough. If the DRM specifies that you cannot record, you will not be able to.

DRM + internet connectivity required 💀

Waiting for a 4 turner like my 20yr old tivo and al life time subscription

Unless they drop DRM, NextGen will go the way AM stereo from the 80’s.

@AAa-qd8hb

7 ай бұрын

DRM ATSC 3.0 is a mix of ideas that has never gotten full FCC approval. DRM ATSC 3.0 TV will fail because not enough people will buy it and the FCC is not going to let ATSC 1.0 be turned off.

@jamesb1221222

7 ай бұрын

Shockingly AM is still alive and as well as can be (with all the interference). I feel like ATSC 3.0 is gonna flop simply because of DRM. Too many greedy hands in the pot. Going to be as poorly adopted as HD radio was/is. I scan channels a few times a year and it's crazy how many HD radio stations have vanished over the last decade.

@AAa-qd8hb

7 ай бұрын

@@jamesb1221222OTA free FAST AM, FM radio and ATSC 1.0 TV do not have any DRM or any recording restrictions and are very successful. DRM 3.0 TV is the future big bad wolf. Big money pay per view for privately owned TV Stations. IMO DRM 3.0 TV will fail until DRM is removed by law.

The most recent update totally bricked mine.

Still no good replacement for my Channel Master Stream +....DAMNIT!

$249 plus subscription $29 per year plus the taxes, this is starting to be to much like Cable TV. The box will only get updates for so long. Then you have to buy another box. No thanks.

@AAa-qd8hb

7 ай бұрын

Because of future DRM and software updates some 3.0 TV tuner box companies will go out of business leaving you with no way to decode the DRM TV Stations.

@PickledHam

7 ай бұрын

That is way cheaper than cable. If you're still paying for cable wake up and get with modern technology

@robertmason7013

7 ай бұрын

Why do you have to pay 29$ a year for a TV grid that is provided from the TV stations? Just another way to suck up money.

@bobh.4580

7 ай бұрын

​@@robertmason7013not everybody's Cheapskate like you ! Go back to your ADHD / ADTH box.

@bobh.4580

7 ай бұрын

It's well worth it in my book this is a cutting-edge product and all the features work. Unlike hdhomerun and ADTH. And the Sony tuner is super sensitive. I get more stations with the zapper box than any other tuner in my house including the Samsungs

Why do so many manufacturers think that we consumers are a bottomless pit for these monthly fees and subscriptions. It could be the greatest piece of TV gear, but paying monthly for a TV guide? Really?

@AntennaMan

7 ай бұрын

I understand your point, but the reality is that manufacturers have to pay for channel guide data service so it's simply passed onto the consumer.

@modernboard

7 ай бұрын

@@AntennaMan Hello. As to your last point, any idea how/why Tablo does the opposite? Tablo offers guide info for Free. (I realize their device is not ATSC 3.0 capable but assume it will be eventually)

@AntennaMan

7 ай бұрын

@@modernboard They only recently offered the channel guide for free. It's because Scripps now owns Tablo and is spending millions on marketing free antenna TV, which includes paying out of pocket for the channel guide data to make it more friendly for the first time cord cutter.

@SpinnerPaddlefoot

7 ай бұрын

​@AntennaMan Thanks Tablo.

@Michael-Joseph123

7 ай бұрын

​@@AntennaManit's nice to see tablo offer the 2 week guide for free. I hope you get the new 4th generation 4 tuner to test, I don't like the lag when channel surfing, but I would like to see how fast it is when 4 stations have already been tuned in.

By the way Atsc 3.0 must be free tv like Atsc 1.0 without internet !!!