Every time I see Henry Cavill as Superman, I ask myself in furious rage "Why was this Perfect casting of a character wasted?"

@callummoore6962

4 ай бұрын

I say the same for Ben Affleck as Batman or Pierce Brosnan as James Bond.

@baconator5510

2 ай бұрын

​@@callummoore6962and James Marsden as Cyclops.

@jjeteuati264

Ай бұрын

yep, an actor who became the victim of a director's vision

@alexandru5369

Ай бұрын

Because Snyder, and everyone else, thought a Batman clone in a Superman body would work

@167kinggam

5 күн бұрын

i wouldn't say he's perfect. His Clark Kent wasn't very convincing. You could blame that on Snyder if you want, but you can't call Cavill perfect by any means.

We're supposed to think Superman is like Jesus in Man of Steel but he killed all those potential Kryptonians in that ship with his heat vision after angrily shouting _"Krypton had it's chance!"_ Satanic.

@ShineyFX

3 жыл бұрын

I think you must have missed the part in the bible jesus started snapping necks

@aredblip1315

3 жыл бұрын

​@@ShineyFX lol At least you could argue that Zod was a genocidal maniac but boy that ship scene just takes the cake for me. (⊙_⊙;)

@jaylemiere7283

3 жыл бұрын

@@aredblip1315 those baby tanks were empty because the codex was tooken it was impossible for those tanks to have babies so this tanks were empty

@jaylemiere7283

2 жыл бұрын

@D F 2 of course he has the codex so zod would not complete his mission but also for zor els intentions.

@davifernandopereiraborges5168

2 жыл бұрын

As a christian i hate this comparison,i kind of like superman but you cant compare him with a real and important people

You know it’s bad when WW2 propaganda Superman is possibly closer to the character than what Snyder wrote.

Jonathan Kent... I have flashbacks of being sooo angry in the cinema...

@ShineyFX

3 жыл бұрын

"maybe let children die" "you have to decide what kind of man you want to be clark"

@TheChooseAName123

3 жыл бұрын

@@ShineyFX there are ways for a movie to make a simple "maybe" infuriating to the audience. But this one must be the best.

@phousefilms

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShineyFX Clark: I can't save my adoptive father because he said hide my powers from the world, even let kids die to protect myself! He let himself die because he wanted me to keep my secret! Also Clark: Destroys a mans truck in a way that could only be with superpowers because the man...spilled beer on him on purpose and tried to push him(ineffectively). Also, clearly is invulnerable when he saves a bunch of people from that burning oil rig.

@brewmaster2912

5 ай бұрын

@@ShineyFXwhat exactly is your problem with Shazam tho?

@manat31790

4 ай бұрын

@@ShineyFX "You can choose whoever you want to be, Clark, except saving other people and revealing your power to the world. That is a no-no for me even if it's entirely your choice."

Zack Snyder is just an edgy teenager in the body of an adult man who thinks he's very intelligent and clever.

@brandonkukumayeyi6048

4 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

The best line in the film is "That won't stop me from trying." Wouldn't surprise me if Henry Cavill ad-libbed that line because it doesn't fit with the rest of writing.

@justaghostinthesea

Жыл бұрын

That's pure Superman right there

@FirstnameLastname-my7bz

4 ай бұрын

It fits very well with the rest of writing, Superman is a man, not robot simpleton. Always was since day 1 of his creation. I really don't understand what any of you trying to accomplish trying to gatekeep something you have absoulety no knowledge about.

@El_payaso2006

2 ай бұрын

@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz Nuh uh, He's a man OF STEEL

@FirstnameLastname-my7bz

2 ай бұрын

@@El_payaso2006 yeah, who kills, can feel sad , can be wrong, can have anger management issues and all other things from comics that actually named him The man of steel.

@tariqulislamakash5749

2 ай бұрын

@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz Please stop embarrassing yourself. Superman has saved lives since day 1 of his creation but you wouldn't know anything about that. A snyderbot saying "have absolutely no knowledge about" has to be the most ironic thing in the history of the universe. You have never read superman comic books other than Injustice and it shows. Superman is a symbol of hope and kindness you disgusting edgelord. He saves lives because he is an all around good guy. Despite being an alien he is the most human of all. And he gets his morals from his earth parents. Jonathan Clark in man of steel doesn't care about Clark or if he is happy, he only cares about Clark's powers. The movie is full of dogshit writing and character assassination for Johnathan Clark and full of plot holes. He is extremely reckless with his powers. He acts like a 14 year old edgelord.

I'll tell you what kind of "heros" batman and superman would be if they go around killing everyone without trial. The Injustice kind. The Dictator kind. Zack Snyder has a hardon for death & dominance through brute force. It's disturbing as F**k

@dignerds

2 жыл бұрын

The creators of those characters did them the same way .. Snyder s Superman wasn't keen on death and was optimistic

@SuCKeRPunCH187

2 жыл бұрын

@@dignerds not really. He was always brooding or moping.

@michaelb2226

2 жыл бұрын

Let me guess you didn't learn anything from the kyle case?

@johnsmith6132

2 жыл бұрын

Tell me How does the military deal with threats because they’re heroes sometimes the permanent solution is the answer

@Memento_mori2222

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnsmith6132 how many soldiers go around killing regular criminals in their OWN country?

And this, I'll say it again, is why i love the Superman and Lois version so much. Hes just some wholesome dude from Kansas in that show. You get scenes of him putting out forest fires, saving random people. He feels like Comic Clark

I used to think Man of Steel was decent film was a good starting point for the franchise, but after rewatching it recently it's one of the most unself-aware, incompetent, and pretentious films I think I've ever seen

@ShineyFX

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it’s got a lot of problems I had to resist from going too much into that film in this video because this isn’t a review. There are problems with Zods actions contradicting his motivations, there are issues with the powers of the antagonists in general

@dignerds

2 жыл бұрын

There is very little issue with this movie. It actually gets better after the 1st watch. Zods character is on point. But toxic haters hunt for issues. I love the 1934 Man of Tomorrow elements used that goes over supposed fans head

@spookeasy7592

2 жыл бұрын

@@dignerds If you think so

@generallobo2179

2 жыл бұрын

@@dignerds Good luck in this crusade

@radiationoncologist

Жыл бұрын

Unself-aware, incompetent, pretentious

Marvel's most heartbreaking moment: Tony's death. DC's most heartbreaking moment: Zack Snyder as director.

@bhargavram4027

2 жыл бұрын

Ngl Tony's death felt forced af. If you really think that it's a heartbreaking moment then um... Good for you

@elihutch7193

2 жыл бұрын

Fs i wish it was someone else

@minefromblackmonday

2 жыл бұрын

@@bhargavram4027 i think the captain marvel one was more forced. I just cringed at the pacing which is unecessary yet dull just her punching thanos. It was only suppose to be Thanos and Ironman fighting and I agree with you but it felt more forced when dr strange was pointing his index finger up like wtf. (I knew what dr strange meant by that) i was looking for the suspense in that scene yet they gave me a "find the answer to this random scene" and literally the next scene using nanomachines to collect the stones was cool but still I didn't like the outcome.

@bhargavram4027

Жыл бұрын

@@minefromblackmonday agreed

@dignerds

Жыл бұрын

No ...Marvel's most heartbreaking moment is when MCU fans committed physical assault on people causing the police and medics to respond..and not be labeled a cult.

I recently saw a really good quote that perfectly explains why Zack’s Superman isn’t Superman “Superman didn’t need to become Clark Kent, but Clark Kent Chose to become Superman”

@miketheless8167

Жыл бұрын

That’s… not it at all though

@dignerds

Жыл бұрын

Snyders Superman didn't become Clark Kent. They are one in the same.

@iseeundeadpeople9

11 ай бұрын

@@dignerds No, they're not.

@quakc8448

6 ай бұрын

That is so good I feel like it summarizes what Man of steel got wrong about superman

@thomaswhite5122

Ай бұрын

Snyder had A Clark Kent in the superman movie? ​@dignerds Only semblance of Clark we got from Snyder is "save Martha"

His Batman ain't Batman either.

@LethalAttraction-1

8 күн бұрын

He was Batman in ZSJL 🤡

Superman fans and Zack-snider-man fans are very different people.

@randynguyen9778

6 ай бұрын

Why because Snyderverse fans think different from you and like to support what we love.

@quakc8448

6 ай бұрын

@randynguyen9778 Girl what, they probs meant that Zack’s fans like the dark n gritty, they boys style of “heroes” which I’d almost quite literally the opposite of Superman who is described as being too good to a fault.

@randynguyen9778

6 ай бұрын

@@quakc8448 I am a guy so I dig the more the mature gritty tone. Superman is a good he is doing what he believe to be the right thing.

@pzaikis

5 ай бұрын

I am both a Snyder fan and a Superman fan, but I despise Warner Brothers.

@emperorpalpatine6239

5 ай бұрын

@@randynguyen9778No, it’s because Snyder fans do not understand the character of Superman and what he is supposed to represent.

the pa kent death scene shows snyder did not understand superman at all the whole point of johnathan kents death is to show clark that he cant save everyone the most powerful man in the world was powerless to save his own father(who is suppose to die of a heart attack)

@thenoirknight5729

2 жыл бұрын

It's an alternate lesson for this Clark Kent. He already knows that he can't save everyone, but he should *try* to save everyone

@desmond451

Жыл бұрын

Nah zack didn't get anything right with superman.

@aswinprakash1275

11 ай бұрын

I Disagree This is an alternate take in the whole story, We already know the origin story of Superman and who is his villain mostly thru reeve superman and other television so why do we need the same plot to be seen over and over again So the different take.

@meganek0597

11 ай бұрын

​@@aswinprakash1275It might be an alternate take on the story, its still inferior to the original one and it sucks

@aswinprakash1275

11 ай бұрын

@@meganek0597 so do u have an Idea in showing pa kent death other than this

Im glad James Gunn is learning from Snyders mistakes and making Superman a brighter character than the way snyder showed him

@Android-Twenty-One

11 ай бұрын

Learning? I'm 100% sure James Gun understands Superman without having to see Zack Snyder's adaptation of Superman at all. Plus James Gun seems perfect and such a comic fan like us. He even saw Hishe Coffee Gag and would love to have a nice reference to it with Batman and Superman having a nice cup of Coffee.

@pepefrog558

11 ай бұрын

@@Android-Twenty-One If a writer before you writes a character poorly, you are clearly going to learn from their mistakes to perfect the character. It's a universal law that applies to everyone not just superman writers.

@FirstnameLastname-my7bz

11 ай бұрын

Ah yeah, Gunn that already did Superman that did nothing while people before him were bleeding (and it was "same" Superman that immedietally stopped Lois from bleeding and also literally only stopped from saving people only when his own dad just waved him back to protect his secret). You guys are hilarious bunch.

@Reese91momo

9 ай бұрын

@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz am I having a stroke? What are you trying to say?

@denish-themenace

5 ай бұрын

Ah yes his dad waved him back to protect his secret. And Superman allowed his dad to die to protect his image. Because hope means : "i could save my own father the guy who raised me but I won't because I'm Superman, my secret identity is more important than saving my own father's life, the guy who raised me. I care way more for what'll people think of me if I go to save him than his pathetic life". I was so inspired by this scene that when my dad was hospitalized with stage 4 cancer, I DIDN'T GO TO THE HOSPITAL. You probably also treated your parents the same way Superman did. Truly the hopeful Superman of all time.​@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz

Great Video! the arguments defending Zack's "superman" don't hold up, they got the parents wrong, they got Clark's motivations and personality completely wrong, he has no chemistry with Lois, Clark does nothing to help as many people from being killed in the final battle, and Clark would never just stand by as his father is swept off in a tornado, Clark would've gone after him even if he didn't have those powers, the Powers don't make him superman, its how he chooses to use those powers and what he chooses not to do with those powers, he would be as good of a person and strive to do as much good in the world with or without those powers, Power can't make you good or bad, and don't get me started on the horrible mishandling of the Batfleck, Wonder Woman, and now Martian Manhunter, the simple fact of J'onn being that General destroys that character and makes him a coward who just stands by when he could be helping civilians

@voiceofreason467

3 жыл бұрын

Oh look, someone who prefers a Superman already completely fully developed into who he is, already has the ability and experience to reduce massive amounts of property damage, already has a dynamic relationship with Lois Lane, etc... Meanwhile, the actual movie itself shows that this is not that Superman yet... and all you can do is say, "BUT I WANT THAT SUPERMAN! I WANT HIM! I WANT HIM NOW!" You know, people say "the arguments defending Zack's Superman don't hold up..." yet all I can hear are critiques about how you wanted a Superman already fully realized in terms of personality just thrown on the screen. You don't want to know how he gets there. You complain about his first actual fight ever, you complain about mistakes he's going to have to make and learn from and you complain about exploring the psychology of Superman growing up on earth. It sounds like you didn't even understand the point of Zack's Superman, so you decided it wasn't Superman. Great logic there.

@stunningandbravemegatron3927

3 жыл бұрын

@@voiceofreason467 oh look someone who doesn't understand Superman, tell me do you Snyder-bots come off an assembly line, or do you all just copy and paste each others arguments? you seem very angry btw why is that?

@stunningandbravemegatron3927

3 жыл бұрын

@@voiceofreason467 the "he's not superman yet" argument doesn't work bud, you're right he's not superman yet and he never will be becuz of the things he does in the movie and because of the way the kents raised him, they didn't teach him good moral values that molded him into the boy scout we all know and love, instead they teach him to be afraid of the world, to not use your powers to help people and do as much good in the world as possible, Pa Kent in this movie teaches Clark that its better to let people die than to face the consequences of the world not liking him? thats not superman, see you're trying to treat superman like spiderman, in that he has to go through some big cathartic/tragic moment in order for him to fully realize himself as a hero, but that is not Superman, Clark doesn't have to overcome some deep moral failing or go through trauma to know right from wrong and always do the right thing, this is a fundamental quality of aspirational heroes

@voiceofreason467

3 жыл бұрын

@@stunningandbravemegatron3927 You're the one who wanted a fully developed, already realized and saving people Superman. Just because you didn't get that, doesn't mean that isn't what the movie is doing. And this is not an argument, this is literally what the movie is doing. Are you literally incapable of trying to judge the movie on its own merits rather than actively judging it with your own bias. Also, that is funny that I don't understand Superman. I mean, I've read Kingdom Come, All-Star Superman, Superman Red Son, John Byrne's Man of Steel (which btw, is the very basis for Zack's depiction of MoS, maybe you should read the comics instead of having preconcieved pop culture notions of Superman). I know that Superman post-Crisis had constant issues of anxiety brought on about by Imposter Syndrome quite a bit. I know that he is horrified in the comics at the prospect that every night when he is sleeping, that somewhere in the world in his dreams he can hear people dying and he's not there to save them. Tell me, what do you know about the character that indicates you know him better than me? I'd like to know. And you know who does the things that you do with accusing people of anger issues before they've even displayed any anger whatsoever? People who don't have an argument that holds up to scrutiny. Let's see if yours does. "you're right he's not superman yet and he never will be becuz of the things he does in the movie and because of the way the kents raised him, they didn't teach him good moral values that molded him into the boy scout we all know and love" Wtf are you talking about? They teach him restraint in his abilities. Theirs even a scene where Clark is getting bullied and he wants to fight back but he doesn't because they could get hurt. He then talks to Johnathan and there is a little exchange of the type of morality that Clark has. Now, clearly there are flaws with his intake of this, such as destroying the Trucker's rig and such. But it is literally portrayed as wrong by the man's reactions as well as the ominous music that plays. The memory sequence also tells us why its wrong in a more overt manner. It seems like you don't know wtf you're talking about. "instead they teach him to be afraid of the world, to not use your powers to help people and do as much good in the world as possible" Um... no, that is not what they teach him. Johnathan Kent was telling Clark that the world is a dangerous place, with people filled with bigotry and are hard to accept truth when it is staring them in front of their face. He tells Clark this because he believes Clark has the ability to help the Human species, that he is not only their answer, but with what he can do, he can be their guardian. He is literally told that because of this great burden, he says that it is Clark's choice whether this burden is something he wants. This is the point where Johnathan is telling his son to use his powers to save people, to do good by the world but most importantly, to be a symbol for people to strive for. You clearly did not pay attention and you were just interested in tweeting reactions out. I'm not going to bother addressing anything else, its clear you either didn't watch the movie or you just didn't pay attention.

@stunningandbravemegatron3927

3 жыл бұрын

@@voiceofreason467 Oh I saw the film alright, and it was a waste of money to see a guy pretend to be superman, Clark doesn't leave people to die if he can help it, Clark's parents don't teach him restraint, if they did he wouldn't have destroyed that guys truck or killed zod, or fly zod through a factory and 7 eleven out of anger, This isn't superman, his mom tells him in BVS that its perfectly fine to drop his responsibility as a hero becuz the world is mean This Is not Superman or his world, trying to put Clark in a realistic environment is stupid, its the wrong approach for Superman, you can't turn an aspirational hero into a cathartic hero like Spiderman, aspirational heroes set the standard, Clark doesn't need to go through this journey of "self discovery" or learn how to be a hero or know what the right thing to do is, he just knows it becuz he was raised right, and he learns nothing from Pa Kents death, becuz guess what he goes out and exposes himself to the world anyways, Pa Kent died for nothing in this film, theres no meaningful lesson this superman teaches, he doesn't actually grow or have character development its no surprise to me that he turns evil in this post apocalyptic world in ZSJL

MOS & BVS being in the same league as TLJ is 100% accurate.

@ShineyFX

3 жыл бұрын

There are so many parallels you can draw between the media and their creators. I know I keep saying this over and over again, but Snyder fans are just TLJ defenders. when people can't stand their sacred cow being criticised its the exact same defences and responses. over and over.

@dignerds

2 жыл бұрын

It's not in the same league .. I'm a 52 year old Snyder fan and Superman fan and I don't like TLJ.

@Materminds187

2 жыл бұрын

No, TLJ is better

@SMaSH101onSITE

2 жыл бұрын

@@Materminds187 don't do drugs🤣 I can see hallucinations in your comment

@somenolifeloser.7752

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with this a lot.

At the 13:20 mark, yes exactly, my absolute biggest problem with this movie. Clark would NEVER NEVER EVER let Jonathan or anyone else for that matter, die like that. Nope No way No How!

@kamoheloiannk617

3 жыл бұрын

See that's why you didn't like it not because theres anything wrong with the movie... But because of how You personally feel about the character... Your judgment is technically blurred because you refuse to understand that Snyder, Nolan and Goyer were building superman in front of our eyes instead of giving us an already finished boy scout superman. This is the most realistic superman and yall aren't happy about that

@RichardGradwell

3 жыл бұрын

@@kamoheloiannk617 no, no it wasn’t the most realistic Superman or any other man for that sake. Any person when faced with a situation where they either act, when it is easily within their power to do so, or let their father die, would chose to save their father. If you choose to just stand there and watch your father die, than you don’t have a shred of decency in you. If you can’t see that, I feel sorry for you as a person. I didn’t think the movie was poorly made, but that scene was inexcusable. I loved 300, I even loved Watchmen, and even though I enjoyed Man of Steel for the most part, and BTW, it wasn’t exactly an original story, it was very much Batman Begins only with Clark instead of Bruce, I feel Zack didn’t seem to get the character, which saddened me as I was greatly looking forward to a new Superman movie. The effects were excellent, the actors were very good I thought, and I also thought the opening Kryptonian sequence was excellent. The characterization of pre Superman Clark, Jonathan Kent, and the story were deeply flawed, however. You’re free to love the movie, but I think even Smallville did a far better job of portraying Young Clark.

@kamoheloiannk617

3 жыл бұрын

@@RichardGradwell but you're stubbornly just arguing your point you're not making any effort to try understand. John didn't want Clark to save him cause the world would find out about and possibly hate him like they did in BvS. Man of steel is a story about a lost soul trying to figure out his place in this world. Blessed with incredible gifts but not sure how to use them if to use them at all.. I say most realistic because unlike the rest this superman has self doubt.. Wondering if letting his dad die in believing he's right he should wait weighs on him in this entire movie. Hencs I say you guys wanted something from this movie that this movie had set out not to be.

@kamoheloiannk617

3 жыл бұрын

@@RichardGradwell also no matter how dumb you think I am as dramatic as we may get around this conversation let's remember not to be disrespectful. We're all basically just lonely fans on the internet that care enough to exchange opinion you know

@RichardGradwell

3 жыл бұрын

@@kamoheloiannk617 again I feel sorry for you as a human being.

Why people think that dark world is reality while light world is fictional? I don't understand.

@KentaroMiyamoto21

2 ай бұрын

That's what doom scrolling on social media does. Messes with your brain.

Great video! The fact of the matter is that Zach Snyder never believed in Superman's core character. He was quoted in an interview as saying that Superman was "too earnest". Many of his fans defended Man of Steel by saying that the "big blue Boy Scout Superman" wasn't realistic or believable and wouldn't play well on film. Marvel Studios disproved that theory with Captain America.

@jcmcboo1890

2 жыл бұрын

@Erik Kemeey I did and it is not.

@Anshumansahu23

2 жыл бұрын

@@jcmcboo1890 yeah sure.... expect Superman to be happy for 24×7 hours when people around him are dying right??... Ok And talking about Captain America ...difference is one is a human and another is an alien with superpowers that can annhilate an entire planet ....so people will be afraid of an alien lol

@jcmcboo1890

2 жыл бұрын

@@Anshumansahu23 To be fair, "Snyderman" didn't do all that much about protecting or saving people during his battle with Zod. He never tried to move the battle outside of Metropolis and was arguably culpable for the mass destruction and death. The fact is that Snyder never believed that anyone could be as wholesome or earnest as Superman and said as much. He deconstructed the character, changed his upbringing and made him an outcast so that he would fit into the much darker and dour version that we saw in Man of Steel, BvS and JL. We'll just have to agree to disagree but in my honest opinion the film Brightburn did a much better job of presenting a dark and scary version of the Superman origin story.

@Anshumansahu23

2 жыл бұрын

@@jcmcboo1890 uhh excuse me ..man of steel was written by Nolan and David S Goyer they both wanted Superman to be exact what you saw in BvS and Man of Steel ..so blame them not Snyder..... And Clark in man of steel was Amateur Superman for few days...meanwhile Zod being experienced adapted to planet Earth quickly and he was becoming Stronger... So it was difficult for him to control Zod .. And besides Zod ,There were 2 kryptonians and World Engines that were causing a lot of destruction..Superman ALONE was able to defeat them and saved the world so Stop acting like as if Superman caused destruction in Man of Steel ... Let's assume that 1000 people died in metropolis battle But Superman was able to save the entire planet...wasn't that enough for u?? Meanwhile your avengers(2012) in NYC battle couldn't think of any idea to shift the chitauri army far away from NYC?they too caused a lot of destruction but they get a pass... But WHEN SNYDER DOES THAT U LOSE YOUR MINDS ???

@jcmcboo1890

2 жыл бұрын

@@Anshumansahu23 Cards on the table here, I liked 300, Watchmen and Snyder's remake of Dawn of the Dead, I want 258 minutes of my life back for sitting through Sucker Punch and Army of the Dead. While I did enjoy other DCEU films like Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Shazzam, Suicide Squad 2 and Birds of Prey I have not liked any of Snyder's foray into the DC Universe for reasons that I have already mentioned. You are not going to convince me to like them any more than I can convince you to dislike them. Ergo, as I said before, we'll just have to agree to disagree. And check out Brightburn if you haven't seen it yet. It is a great deconstruction of the Superman origin story but with no actual tie to Superman. Another good one that is an actual re-imagining of Superman is the animated film Justice League: Gods and Monsters where General Zod's son is the one sent to Earth before the destruction of Krypton rather than Kal El.

This gets at the core as to my struggles with these interpretations of DC characters. As someone who is an avid, DC comic reader, it really saddened me to get all of these projects with so many fundamental misunderstandings of how these characters work. Amazing video! I’m really hopeful the James gun will be able to pull it together, but we will see!

The brain hurts so much when thinking about this film. Like even thematically, what do you learn from this movie? Nihilism? God!! 🤦🏼

@ShineyFX

3 жыл бұрын

Snapping peoples neck solves your problems

@mrrm5456

3 жыл бұрын

@@ShineyFX I guess lol 😂

@elitescarecrowgaming4713

3 жыл бұрын

Superman kills Zod in the comics

@buhnana6117

3 жыл бұрын

@@elitescarecrowgaming4713 he most often isn’t portrayed as a hero in those stories

@kamoheloiannk617

3 жыл бұрын

@@ShineyFX no by snapping Zod's neck, he's choosing Humanity over Krypton he's choosing to kill the last of his people cause zod had also said, He would never stop killing the humans either he dies or superman dies.

Now that I'm actually watching this review, maybe letting his father die in the tornado was Clark's way of telling his dad he learned the lesson from saving those kids in the bus. "Fuck you dad for telling me it was ok to let children die, now you can die, pointlessly." - Clark, probably

@foolslayer9416

2 жыл бұрын

Except that isn't who Superman is or is supposed to be.

@phousefilms

2 жыл бұрын

Clark:Doesn't save adoptive father from tornado because hiding them is too important(to the point John said "let kids die son!") Also Clark: Destroys a mans truck openly with his power for spilling beer on him on purpose and trying to push him ineffectively.

@calvinsimpson1301

2 жыл бұрын

@@foolslayer9416 yeah thats the joke

@blairbrown4812

2 жыл бұрын

Remember that it was his father who discouraged his son from using his powers to save others, "until the opportune time." Clark *wanted* to save his father,he really did,but we saw Jonathan stop him from doing so with just a look,and willingly embrace death in order to preserve his son's secret.

@tekkblade82

2 жыл бұрын

@@blairbrown4812 and yet Clark could have saved his dad without exposing his powers. Clark could have gone to get the dog since Clark would have never been in danger from the storm. Clark could have run like a human into the storm to get his dad. Then let the wind carry both of them away, and claim their survival as a miracle. It doesn't happen often but there are stories of people picked up by a tornado that survive.

I started watching My Adventures With Superman, and damn do they nail Superman right on! And to nobody's surprise, the Snyder Cult hates it because he's comic accurate 🙄 it's like they hate the fact that Superman is supposed to be the Symbol of Hope

5 ай бұрын

"OK, I had to save the cat, I had to save the cat!"

@thememetacularsasquinatch3175

Ай бұрын

I despise Snyder's Superman, and I dont particularly like My Adventures With Superman either. I think that Clark in My Adventures with Superman is.. wayyy too unsure of himself, especially for the point he's at in his life in the show. Usually, when Clark goes to Metropolis, he's already figured out who he is, what he is, and what he wants to be. He also doesnt try to be "Normal", he IS normal. But the show seemed to want the anime trope of the unexperienced hero having to find himself or whatever, and I just dont think that fits clark. I think My Adventures With Superman may have been better suited as a show about Super*boy*, then Clark, simply so they could do that whole arc of the protagonist finding himself

Want a simple argument over Zack Snyders Superman? Zack unknowingly quoted a Superman villian from 2001 that was supposed to parody the edgy coat wearing "superheroes" of the 90s and early 2000s. And he did that in like 2015.

@FirstnameLastname-my7bz

11 ай бұрын

Zack Snyder also very knowingly quote Superman comic by very same writer in which he snaps Zod's neck, which happens AFTER that comics comics (Action Comics 805). Zack also quoted original Superman #1 in which Pa Kent tells young Clark to hide his powers because people will fear them (and they did). 1939, people were already smarter than most of you and they didn't have much besides couple of books, juvenile cinema and real life.

@kal.asther

9 ай бұрын

Which villain did he quote from and what?

@hujan1744

9 ай бұрын

@@kal.asther Manchester Black from "What's so funny abot truth, justice and the american way?" comics by Joe Kelly, whitch then got made into Superman vs The Elite animated movie

@eddiediaz5518

9 ай бұрын

@@kal.astherpretty much both argued that doing things the right way (lawfully and morally) wasn’t realistic and that things in reality are dark, and both finished off their statements saying “you’re living in a dream world”

@kal.asther

9 ай бұрын

​@@eddiediaz5518 Yes, which is true. They were going for that realistic take. I saw that movie, mind you. That movie touched me. Doesn't mean there isn't room for a different kind of story telling. Besides, you can tell what Man of Steel was going for in the beginning, and the story it was supposed to unfold during it's supposed trilogy. You can see snippets of it in BvS. The world is realistic, and they introduced Superman as a catalyst of change. First was the destruction of krypton, shadowing what to come if Earth was to continue in its trajectory. Then we are showed both ideologies, a fearful human, and a wishful thinking kryptonian. Both enlightening our protagonist's mind, and ultimately leading him to his final decision. With all his powers he chose to put his life on the hands of those that persecuted him, willing to betray him for their life. How biblical. This showed in both movies, where he gave himself up to the army and the court--and was supposed to break humanity's mind and follow his lead in Justice League. Because when he died, they would realize that they actually needed him, and that their fear of him was unwarranted. But... whiny people--you know? It's actually crazy how it(the story) juxtaposes with how most people react to the movies. And that's why most "Snyderverse Fans" think these movies will be a classic one day. Because most people missed the point in the beggining, and slowly realize what the story was all about in the end. Me? I just wish we saw what Zack and his team was going for in the beginning without the "critique" debacle. Actually an inspiring take on live-action superhero movies. Much like his Watchmen.

Ironically, the Superman from the Josstice Leauge is more like how Superman should be than in Man of Steel

@nunka34ify

6 ай бұрын

Snyder’s Superman is too dark, plain and simple. Josstice League was a light-hearted, family-friendlier film that actually captured Superman pretty well

@FirstnameLastname-my7bz

4 ай бұрын

@@nunka34ify not at all, Snyder's Superman is literally the most accurate to source material Superman that there ever was, including deeper problematic of the character.

@kannan07

3 ай бұрын

​@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz is your "source material" called injustice,cuz that's what Snyder took inspiration from Orr maybe the edgy biker Superman from new 52 that was so bad that they had to combine every past Superman and make a better,stronger and more hopeful Superman to fix it

@FirstnameLastname-my7bz

3 ай бұрын

@@kannan07 no

@FirstnameLastname-my7bz

3 ай бұрын

@@kannan07 no it's called 75 years of the character put into the most quintessential and non contradicting take ever.

I remember how excited I was when this movie came out. Superman is my favorite superhero, but the scene when Clark doesn't save Jonathan broke my heart in the saddest of ways. That's not Superman. Every time I watched anything about Superman, it didn't matter how big the danger was, when Superman arrived I always knew everything would be okay, he would always do everything he could to save everyone. How can I trust this Superman when he refused to save his own father? How can I care and relate with this Superman when he did something I could never even think to do? The DCEU already started dead, if you can get right your most important icon, everything else is bound to fail. It a shame, the cast was perfect, Hans Zimmer soundtrack is beautiful, so much potencial wasted.

@StareachValcin

2 жыл бұрын

@Erik Kemeey still not a thing that Clark would do. He wouldn't let Jonathan Kent die, regardless of the risk.

@nerdking1019

2 жыл бұрын

@Erik Kemeey Superman would ignore those orders. Superman wouldn’t care. He’d tell his father. “I said not to save me” “Lucky for you my pa raised me better than thst”

@thenoirknight5729

2 жыл бұрын

Because he's not Superman yet, he's Clark Kent

@nerdking1019

2 жыл бұрын

@Erik Kemeey no I understood the character of Superman

@nerdking1019

2 жыл бұрын

@@thenoirknight5729 and Clark Kent and Superman are basically the same person. The morals and values are there from day one

Fantastic review and totally clarified my reasoning to why i always thought Bryan Singer's Superman was better than the Snyder Superman (dont worry, Reeves is still my fav). The one scene with the odd lip 😂 where Cavill's Supes is asked what he thinks about our world and remains silent was like a major WTF moment for me. That's when I started to hate the guy 😠

@Iagle888

6 ай бұрын

It strikes me so odd that Zack Snyder went out of his way to try and interpret superman outside the fantasy and place him in a real world environment having to logically explain the existence of a superman without any consistency or compelling story. If we are playing by the rules of reality, superman has more muscle mass than Faora the kryptonian chick so he should easily outmatch her with strength where she would outmatch him with speed and Zod should outmatch him with skill and the other guy who we never got a good look at should outmatch him with strength. Also, super beings punching super beings should if we are to follow logic, cause damage to each other no deferent than normal people fighting. Where are the black eyes, the fat lips, the broken arms, the broken neck? Wait....where's the consistency... And how does an inexperienced superman get a trained general in a headlock? Did Clark join the military? Where did he get his training? And where is the back story of how Superman fell in love with Louis they are all of a sudden, a couple is Zack Snyder, an amateur?

Man of Steel had no heart. And a Superman movie without heart isn't a Superman movie.

I think Rian Johnson actually understands Luke Skywalker better than how Zack Snyder understands Superman. A deconstruction of a character only works after they've been constructed.

@vjbd2757

Жыл бұрын

Rian Johnson assassinated Luke's character. Luke went from saving his father who killed countless lifeforms to attempting to kill his nephew when he has visions of him being the next dark lord(which he did became).

@NobleRaider2747

Жыл бұрын

​@VJ BD someone didn't pay attention to the movie According to Ben, he tried to kill him, saber ignited in front of him while he slept, but Luke only gave it a single THOUGHT and turned off his saber before Ben thought he was there to kill him and attacked him

@jmgonzalez4

9 ай бұрын

This is a good point. The only counter point is that Man of Steel was written by David Goyer -- the same person who helped Nolan write the Dark Knight trilogy -- who undoubtedly knows & understands most of Superman lore. Of course he had to bend the story to Zack Snyder's vision. To me, at first watch, the depiction of Supes in MoS felt more like a flattening of his character into a playing piece/action figure to support a story about Gods vs Men. And that's never been a particularly gripping aspect of his appeal & stories.

Great Video Shiney. Snyder's vision of Superman deviated from what Superman is, basically creating a new character with a Superman Skin.

@thenoirknight5729

2 жыл бұрын

How is Superman not a genuinely good dude who just wants to help out and save people?

@Dee_rian

8 ай бұрын

​@@thenoirknight5729Because it's forced into a grey world with negative tones. The atmosphere in every flashback of smallville is colorfully mute and not even for emotional emphasis just gloomy scenes. And neither does Clark learn anything but to "preserve your secret because that's all that matters"

god i really just want a dc universe with accurate depictions of the charscters

@bampxx3432

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly just watch the animated movies and shows from the 90s and early 2000s cuz it’s the best we’re gonna get unfortunately.

@Vengeance289

Жыл бұрын

With James Gunn and Peter Safran in charge, that might just happen.

@UnknownEX0

Жыл бұрын

@@bampxx3432 you’re right the animated movies are so good

@JamezWalker668

Жыл бұрын

When you have hundreds if not an infinite number of different iterations of a character exist across an infinite Multiverse who can say what Depiction is truly "accurate"?

@UnknownEX0

Жыл бұрын

@@JamezWalker668 main continuity in the comics are accurate depictions of the characters

There was 1 scene in this movie where zod slid a gas truck right at him he flys in the air jumping over it all for a superman hero pose meanwhile the truck hits the building and explodes behind him 😂😂😂 thats NOT superman ,cavil himself is superman any other writer would've done him justice

Thank God for the new Superman and Lois cartoon on HBO. This Superman cartoon were such a surprise to me! I have been a life-long Superman fan since my childhood in Nigeria and I love this! This version of Lois was also another surprise. She is a gonzo journalist and strong female without any feminist nonsense and she looks attractive. Clark is heroic, lovable, and not a cynical evil "realistic" character like Snyder kept making him. It's like westerners actually decided to make a good Super hero show devoid of toxic identity politics, with great characters a d writing and also a positive masculine character and feminine character😯👍

This might be an unpopular opinion but I did like what Joss Whedon did with Superman in the theatrical Justice League. He was full of joy, campy, quipped, and actually cared about saving civilians. That’s probably the closest thing we’ll see Cavill Reasonably the Superman we all know.

@StareachValcin

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. 👍

@fabiospfc

Жыл бұрын

Superman in Josstice League is good but the movie is bad

@LuisSanchez-by7mh

Жыл бұрын

@@fabiospfc oh yeah 100%. But even a bad movie could have good characters even with terrible CGI lip.

@phousefilms

Жыл бұрын

CG removed moustache aside, way better Superman(and JL)than the extended crapfest Snydercut(which I was glad to learn today would NOT continue the franchise ever again!)

@LuisSanchez-by7mh

Жыл бұрын

@Erik Kemeey to be fair he still saved people. But Snyder made him reluctant. Turning him into a Randian Reluctant Hero. I know Henry Cavill could pull off Superman if given a proper chance and a better script and director.

So glad to know there still are more fans like me who know and realize what Superman truly stands for and Snyders version is the opposite. There are still fans who prefer authenticity above dumb violence.

Great critique. I don’t read comics but I grew up on the Christopher Reeve version of Superman. Those movies were corny, but they nailed Clark’s goodness and his deep sense of morality and family. I remember watching Man of Steel and being so so disappointed. I hope the next incarnation will be closer to the Clark we know and love. Though it is heartbreaking that Henry Cavill was (mostly) wasted!!

@wholethedogsout880

Жыл бұрын

@Erik Kemeey nope! youre delusional

You have to remember that Snyder fans keep making basically the same claims about the Snyder verse. This Batman looks like Batman and Superman looks like Superman. Its all about the visuals instead of the characters themselves. Cavill has never played Superman. He looks like Superman but the direction he was given wasn't the character. Same with Batman. When you mess up the Trinity you have already lost and a film with the 3 and you don't break a billion dollars is a problem. The orginal Superman film has some issues but is far better written than Man of Steel. He learns from being raised by humans the right lessons in the orginal film. Lessons he was getting from his dead father in Man of Steel. The issues you raise about Man of Steel are the same issues I had with the writing as well.

@FirstnameLastname-my7bz

11 ай бұрын

Wrong, some Snyder fans like me actually make FACTUAL STATEMENTS about the source accurate notions too. Because unlike most of you I am actually familiar with comics. If you think financial side of things decide what is success then 1) Snyder still wins since only when movies started with Him were successful (Aquaman was filming parallel when JL was still his) 2) all superhero movies are trash since R-rated Deadpool about literally who outdid every single one, especially when we you your math even Avengers 3 and 4 should've make MUCH more money to compare with Deadpool, a development hell made movie that accidentally got finished In Superman The Movie he learns that humans are fragile and will never meet up to him after he forced his dad to run which caused his heart attack. Then reverses time just to save Lois (not even to undo second rocket hit and undo earthquakes). Then he abandons all of his powers so he can have sex with Lois and finally live normal life, if not for the bully at the bar, who he will antagonize (Donner Cut, since it happened after total time reverse of everything that happened after Zod's phantom zone prison break) and beat him up with his powers. Amazing. Meanwhile in SnyderVerse Superman learns how to help people while doing as little damage in process as possible, he doesn't have priviledge of reversing time (yet) and despite many mistakes he still pushes forward and helps everyone he can, even saved Lex from Doomsday afterhe kindpapped and threw Lois from the building, after he had goons kidnap his foster mother and not to mention after all these people he killed before that. And original Superman by Siegel could very well just let him die, wouldn't be out of character at all.

@Ron-ep3zl

11 ай бұрын

@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz 😆 🤣 😂 Your familiar with the comics and I'm not. 😆 🤣 Who were those Kryptonains looking for again in both versions? Oh yeah the son of Jor-El. In Donner's film he confronted Zod but once he realized he couldn't continue the fight around people he left to find another way. They destroyed some of downtown metropolis. In the Snyder verse they destroyed smallville and metropolis. But I didn't hold that against the film. In the orginal movie Superman was helping people the whole time. In the Snyder film Superman was helping people the whole time but he learned a very different lesson in the Snyder verse than in any other version including the comics from his human parents. Remember when Johnathan Kent told him he should have let those people die to protect who he is. While his Kryptonain father said he is to be the beacon of hope. His human mother told him to do what you want because you don't owe these people anything. His human father sacrificed his own life to give Clark the less of hiding. No he didn't force his dad to run. That would have happened to a human kid. He learned that no matter how powerful he is or what he can do he can't save everyone. He literally says that in the film. Wow you literally are trying to give him credit for films he had nothing to do with and they out performed his films. Here's a fun fact for you. Man of Steel with a iconic character that the entire world knows,earned 219 million while Deadpool a character that is far from Superman status earned 700 million. Aquaman 1.148 billion dollars and Snyder didn't do that film. Batman v Superman earned 872.7 million and Snyder did do that film. A movie with the Trinity is out performed by Aquaman. Really my guy? No the bully didn't beat him up with his powers in Superman the movie. Are you sure you were paying attention to the film? Yes he gives up his powers to be with Lois. He regains them when he finds out about the threat of Zod. Snyder's Superman didn't give up his powers to be with Lois but he is whipped. First piece and he fell in love. 😆 But I don't have a problem with that either. The problem is this moping around non beacon of hope that he doesn't become until Justice League. But if you think that was very Superman to allow Jonathan to sacrifice himself by letting a tornado suck him up then that's you. I don't recall that in the comics or any other story line Mr factual. As a comic fan we know why Superman is wearing the Black suit but anyone who hasn't read the comics doesn't. It's not explained in a 4 hour movie so in his universe it's just a fashion statement. Also you all knowing comic book Snyder fans didn't show up or aren't enough of you to keep that universe going. You all cried about losing Cavill but when the Rock opened the door to bring him back where were you guys? Like I said Batman v Superman should have broken a Billion easy but it didn't. First on screen appearance of Wonder Woman. First on screen appearance of Superman and Batman together. All 3 together and it loses to Aquaman. Snyder decided to skip character development because you all read the comics and he wasted the death of Superman, one of DC's iconic stories. Much in the way fox wasted the phoenix story twice. Yeah you know comics and I don't. 😆 🤣 I wouldn't have said that. Snyder reads the books he just poorly executed the use of his knowledge and mashed things together that he liked. Many fans of the comics,who out number you Snyder fans left the theaters with one question on their minds. Does this guy understand these characters? In the books Batman has plans for his plans. Yet Snyder's Batman just wings it and hopes for the best. He had no plan to deal with Superman when they brought him back to life. In the comics he wasn't actually dead by the way. At least Whedon gave that to Batman.

@FirstnameLastname-my7bz

11 ай бұрын

@@Ron-ep3zl in Donner Cut they killed a LOT of people when powerless Clark was hitting it off with Lois. And reason why Zod's crew was even on the moon and then on earth is because Superman threw rocket there, so all murdered A LOT of people on the moon, in village, in the White House were also on Superman's part. But Unlike in Donner film in Man of Steel as soon as he learned about ultimatum he gave himself to Zod, without knowing how he will get out of there, surrounded by people same as him. That is Superman from comics. He learned lesson to keep his profile low, which is original Superman #1 1939, you can literally read it for free if you dare. Yes he did force his dad to chase him to the barn. You don't even watch your "beloved" movies carefully. So you aren't even fan of the version of Superman you "like", not a 100% fan.

@FirstnameLastname-my7bz

11 ай бұрын

@@Ron-ep3zl also by that logic The Flash should have made 4 billion dollars at least. DCEU + Chris Reeve + Michael Keaton + George Reeves + Adam West + Nic Cage are nothing compared to Zack Snyder's single DC film, let alone to His trilogy. Thanks for proving me right again.

@Ron-ep3zl

11 ай бұрын

@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz According to Zack Snyder around 5000 people died that day and 15-20% of main city was destroyed mostly due to World Engine, but at least 7-8 buildings got wrecked by Superman-Zod fight. We saw skyscrapers fall. In Superman two,3 astronauts died on the moon that were killed by the 3 Kryptonains and had nothing to do with the fight between Superman and them. 4 soliders,2 killed by Zod when he shot them and 2 Blown up by Ursa. In the Donner cut 10 people died. 7 humans and 3 Kryptonains all undone when he revered time. Wow that's a lot of people. Lol Thanks for proving me right. You like the Snyder stuff. Good for you. I'm not telling you not to like it.

I do agree with the argument of this video that Zack Snyder's interpretation of Superman isn't true to who Superman is and what he stands for. I honestly don't think Zack Snyder understands Superman and I don't think that he ever will, especially after the Snyder cut. This video is a good video that shows real understanding of who Superman is and what he stands for.

@zhengyingli

2 жыл бұрын

I think Zack Snyder does understand Superman, which is why he changed him into a selfish hero.

@StareachValcin

2 жыл бұрын

@@zhengyingli how is changing Superman into a selfish hero a sign of understanding Superman? It's literally a sign of the opposite; Zack Snyder not understanding Superman. Making Superman a selfish hero goes against everything Superman is and everything Superman stands for. It's totally disrespectful to Superman in general.

@StareachValcin

2 жыл бұрын

@Erik Kemeey Zack Snyder's interpretation of Superman isn't true to who Superman is and what he stands for. Period. That's not gatekeeping.

@Spiderstan2000

2 жыл бұрын

@@StareachValcin Clark in man of steel saved a group of oil rig workers the first time we meet him.

@StareachValcin

2 жыл бұрын

@Erik Kemeey if you want a more recent example of Superman that demonstrates the ideals, values, integrity, and humanity of Superman, check out Tyler Hoechlin's portrayal of Superman, especially in the series Superman and Lois. He does Superman right, unlike Zack Snyder's interpretation of Superman, which does Superman wrong.

James Gun making new superman movie taking inspiration from comics like All stars Superman, and we might see Superman vs The authority in future (similar to superman vs the elite). I am so happy Zack is gone. Your thoughts?

@ShineyFX

Жыл бұрын

I’m fascinated to see where he goes with that. I really like superman vs the elite

@karankumar4384

Жыл бұрын

@@ShineyFX Same, just hope they find a good cast like Henry

Your approach to arguing your point is very scholar, you don't simply state an opinion, but also back it up with relative clips. This form is sorely missing in most KZread reviews.

@runisa

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree with some of the stuff he said but he said to me that S has nothing to do with him being kryptonian when it’s his family crest and has been since the 80s when I pointed this out to him he didn’t reply. what I’m trying to say is as much as I love the animated series it doesn’t always mean it follows the Superman canon and this guy only references the animated series and not the comics,so he isn’t going to the source.

Say what you want about the Josstice League, at least it had SUPERMAN in it.

@StareachValcin

6 ай бұрын

Agreed.👍

@marvinj1000

3 ай бұрын

Yeah Superman with ugly cgi face 🤮

Thank you. So many points in there that I myself have been questioning for years. I'm glad you noticed the whole issue with "I found my people" line. It was so weird. Why does he refer to them as his people when he's been living on Earth all his life? And also, that scene is so stupid as he is so vague and doesn't go into any detail...it just becomes an opportunity for Martha to have a nice big monologue. If that wasn't the best example of a time for Clark to have a monologue, I don't know what else is. Which sheds light on how the writers and creative team behind the film felt about Superman. He's not worthy of even having a say in his own story.

If superman was always a sadist like Zack synder makes him I highly doubt his historical impact would be nearly as massive as it is today from rallying the moral of the allied troops (not just Americans but most allied troops Canadian, british etc) up to becoming one of the most famous pop culture icons in all of human history its that joy and hope and happiness he spreads that makes him so valuable and iconic

Am glad you have no problem against Henry Cavill. I really liked him being Superman. Henry Cavill should played Superman but Zack Snyder shouldn't have directed the movie.

Hopefully James G. Is going to to do it right, unlike the monstrosity Snyder caused the character.

Zack Synder had a place in the DCEU, it just shouldn't have been the head of it. Something like an alternate injustice universe, and I'm sure he'd have done well there, people would love those movies.

“Someone says to me: ‘[Ben Affleck’s] Batman killed a guy,’” Snyder said, “I’m like, ‘Fuck, really? Wake the fuck up.’ Once you’ve lost your virginity to this fucking movie and then you come and say to me something about, like, ‘My superhero wouldn’t do that,’ I’m like, ‘Are you serious?’ I’m, like, down the fucking road on that. It’s a cool point of view to be like, ‘My heroes are still innocent. My heroes didn’t fucking lie to America. My heroes didn’t embezzle money from their corporations. My heroes didn’t commit any atrocities.’ That’s cool. But you’re living in a fucking dream world." Zack Snyder is a no talent hack that doesn't have a clue about superheroes.

@ShineyFX

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. It’s a shame I only just head about this comment this morning otherwise it would have been the opening statement of the video

@honestkyn718

3 жыл бұрын

Okay, you want to know how i reboot the DCEU? I start with Synder righting who he Reallyw anted to write: the Elite. Then we have a film were Superman fights them and decontrcuts it. Not by Syder of course

@tekkblade82

3 жыл бұрын

@@honestkyn718 That would be a great rebuttal to Snyder's moronic view on superheroes. Make sure to have Henry Cavil playing true, happy, optimistic, Superman in the deconstruction movie.

@buhnana6117

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ did he actually say this? That actually hurt to read.

@tekkblade82

3 жыл бұрын

@@buhnana6117 He did. He's that stupid.

Snyder absolutely did not understand the characters. He even less appreciated them. I think the biggest sign of that was when some fans told him that they didn't like the idea of Superman or Batman killing, and he told them to "grow up". These were characters with established morals and loved by the world before he was even born. If you can't appreciate that and respect it, you shouldn't be in charge of representing them.

DCEU never had a chance

Finally somebody who understands Me. Zack Snyder's version of Batman is unfaithful to comics & let's just not talk about Superman cause it was way stupid. Snyder's version of Superman was like Homelander.

@kqquri

2 жыл бұрын

Fr the only thing that is faithful to the comics are the suits

@thenoirknight5729

2 жыл бұрын

Zack Snyder's Superman is not Homelander. Not even close. Clark actually has empathy, care, compassion, humanity, is altrustic, and is selfless

@OPM07

Жыл бұрын

Vibes Of Home lander

@Amazingfilms148

Жыл бұрын

You say that Superman is like Homelander

@alexbeltman7091

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, Zack Snyder makes terrible movies to gain support from his fanbase, and remember his sexist film Sucker Punch turns out to be a bit overrated.

0:47 It would be more accurate to say that many people thought Man of Steel was great. I don't know anyone who thinks BvS was better than a disappointment. Mostly people wanted the Snyder cut because Whedon's version was so awful it made BvS look like a masterpiece in comparison.

@ShineyFX

3 жыл бұрын

I have heard a lot of Snyder Fans say Batman VS Superman is perfect and amazing. I have had enough of them screaming at me on twitter to know that a vast majority of the snyder fans defend it.

Superman stand for Hope, but I don't see any hope in the DCEU version, such a bad adaptation ever, even CW execute it much more better, I don't get the stupid praises for this superman and dumb Zack snysh*t

Zack snyder version of superman is superman that quoted in kill bill which is the exact opposite of who superman is 😂

The Whole S being a symbol of hope isn’t stupid.

@runisa

2 жыл бұрын

I made a comment saying clark sees himself as both krypton and human and both kal-el and clark Kent and that if he didn’t he wouldn’t wear the S shield he replied say The S shield mean Superman it doesn’t mean hope It has nothing to do with him being kryptonian I replied say the S shield is the crest of the house of El and that he calls his clone superboy Kon-el/ Connor Kent that just because he watched the DCAU shows doesn’t mean he knows the character fully He didn’t reply to my reply

Here’s the thing: I still think Henry is a great casting choice. Maybe it’s because I love him but I think that if Superman was more faithfully written, he would have been great. I hold the same sentiment regarding Grant Gustin as Barry.

I've only read one superman comic (all star superman) and even I know that this isn't how superman should be. I just can't understand how Snyder fans are so insistent that an emotionless non-character is what superman should be.

Thank you. You hit every checkpoint I've been saying for years, and thanks to the people in this chat because I thought I was lone.

Just discovered this channel. Adore what you do with the production value of having mo cap characters with backgrounds. Earned a Sub.

@ShineyFX

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much

In zack snyder mind the only way that a super hero can be more serious is being a villain

@maxd.9455

Жыл бұрын

Where has he ever been a villian? Name me an example where he was evil?

@davifernandopereiraborges5168

Жыл бұрын

@@maxd.9455 youre right,i should not have said that,to talk the reality i only watched resumes of the film and that battle scene whit zoid

@Spiral_IdeasX

10 ай бұрын

​@@maxd.9455The Nightmare Scene I don't care If He was controlled By Midseid Snyder Doesn't Believe In Hope

The best Superman movie is Superman vs The Elite. Highly recommend it to everyone.

@karankumar4384

Жыл бұрын

James Gunn is going to adapt that

@justaghostinthesea

Жыл бұрын

​@@karankumar4384Really?

Great video! I hate the snyderverse its soo bad. Its funny how Invincible does the whole civilian casualtys WAY better. Not everyone will agree but I thought Matt Reeves Batman understood the character way better than any other batman movie. It even did the destruction of the city better (with the flood or riddlers "cleansing" of gotham). James Gunn superman cant possibly be as bad as or even worse than this. Hopefully its good.

I 100% Agree And I Got Admit It's Like Joel Schumacer Understood Batman More As He Wanted To Always Create A Darker Batman Film Than Zack Snyder Understands Anything DC And I Am Not Even A Huge DC Fan And I Feel Sorry For Henry Cavill For Having His First Superman Role Be Under A Incompetent And Stupid Director Who Dosen't Understand Anything About DC

@thenoirknight5729

2 жыл бұрын

Atleast nice to see Joel Schumacher get some appreciation 👍

@Dread-VilePlanet

2 жыл бұрын

@@thenoirknight5729 Thanks :)

It feels like Snyder just wanted to do Supergirl but didn’t know who she was.

Genuinely, in terms of destruction, Zack Snyder made Dragon Ball Z the Saiyan saga but with Superman and Zod. And even then it’s still terrible.

The mocap looks like it has improved since the last video, awesome job Shiney 👍

@ShineyFX

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I now have hands

Shiney do you animate this completely, or do you mo cap?? Edit: nvm, comments got me, sorry. But for real this looks absolutely amazing

@ShineyFX

3 жыл бұрын

It’s mocap

@solaris5303

3 жыл бұрын

It's a _lot_ easier to avoid clipping with hand animation, although pretty much everything else is harder.

I remeber seeing the first iron man movie. how it took a man, and turned him into a hero. made him realize his life wasnt just worth living, but worth fighting for. that his ethics were worth more than the bottom line(wrapped up in the second movie). but with man of steel... we dont see a man, shit we didnt even get a boy. we dont see him become superman. he kinda already is. we dont see him turn a new leaf, or make the hard choices, or go through deep and immese struggle that makes him have to choose. he just goes on and does stuff. hes the most passive protaginist in any superhero movie ive watched. and that says a lot since Dr.Strange is literally 1 big training montage.

@ShinyFX I've had a thought experiment regarding how many versions of Superman don't need to eat, breathe, or sleep, yet we often see these versions sleeping. With that in mind, does Supes commit involuntary manslaughter whenever he's sleeping, since he could be using that time to save people who might otherwise have not died?

Well there is a difference between Rian and Zack. Rian isn’t a narcissistic egotistical man with Aryn Rand beliefs. Zack is.

@phousefilms

Жыл бұрын

We can blame some of RJ's writing thanks to the fact there wasn't an overall plan(unlike the prequels, for example). He did the best he could, did some new and interesting stuff,but the majority hated it because we had novels and comics later where Luke was a super powerful Jedi with sheer immunity to the Dark Side and a "never give up"personality(compared to the cynical character he is in the film, which I was actually fine with, as it made way more sense to me). Snyder tried to make the universe his own. Snyder, the man who said Batman Begins would have been better if Bruce was raped in prison in the beginning. Snyder is such an edgelord he didn't try to respect the characters, but made them more to his liking. Superman is a gritty moody Jesus Archetype who loves only two people(Lois and Martha), but in no way loves humanity, already effing up his character. Saves Lois a thousand times in MOS alone, but not a single other bystander. Batman is an angry killer who murders normal thugs and brands them, but has not killed any of his main rogues gallery(how are Killer Croc, Joker and Harley still alive enough to appear in the first(crappier)"Suicide Squad"?)and does CrossFit while having sixty dream sequences that take up more time in the movie than the actual fight. Lex Luthor was better as a cheesy land baron than the weird quirky Joker/Riddler knockoff Eisenberg played. Doomsday went from the monstrous alien experiment that was made immune to almost everything to a crappy Teenage Mutant Cave Troll goon. The straight to video DC animated did him better. I know people hate TLJ, I'm one of the few who like it, but RJ did what he could(I would compare him to Joss Whedon, who had to put Snyder's garbage film and make a watchable movie of the mess.)

@biguy617

Жыл бұрын

@@phousefilms Snyder was making every DC Hero a killer just for the sake of killing and it felt forced. Most of the DC hero’s never go to the same level as the villains. They always try to find another way to defeat their foes in the end.he did it because he wanted to do something Marvel wouldn’t do. His justification, when he talked about Batman V Superman, was bullshit. There is an animated movie of Superman and Shazam teaming up against Black Adam. The movie ends with Shazam holding Adam by the neck ready to break it. Superman tells Shazam “Be stronger be good. If that was Henry Cavill, he be a hypocrite!! Superman fights for those who can’t fight. Snyder doesn’t understand that. Richard Donner did understand that. The people who made the Lois and Clark series that Dean Cain did understood how to do Superman right. Snyder only knows Jack and Shit. Jack left town.

@virgogaming6488

Жыл бұрын

Rian's deconstruction of Luke also works more than Snyder's deconstruction of characters since hes already in an established universe of films as a revered hero.

@phousefilms

Жыл бұрын

@@biguy617 Truth. With how Batman was in the DCEU, I was like "How are any of Batman's villains alive? He killed random thugs, but not Joker? Not Harley? Not Croc? How did they survive long enough to appear in Suicide Squad?

@biguy617

Жыл бұрын

@@virgogaming6488 Rian only did what Kathleen Kennedy told him to do. Snyder added his own conservative politics to his Superman movie. He made Jonathan Kent give a fatherly talk to Clark that is the exact opposite of what Uncle Ben said to Peter Parker. Clark “what was I supposed to do let them die” JK “I don’t know maybe.” I understand why he said that. He was afraid of what would happen if the world found out he wasn’t human. What that also says about the responsibility these powers bring.

Out of curiosity, What are your thoughts about Arrowverse Superman, Specifically about the Superman & Lois TV Show?

Okay, being as generous as possible... I suppose I see what they were going for, in theory, with this Superman. The idea of Superman being an alien by blood but raised by humans, and this movie being where he fully accepts Earth as his home and himself as Superman, defender of humanity and upholder of truth, justice, and the American Way. However, it fails horribly, for the reasons you laid out here (Plus, he feels bad about killing Zod, yet he had already accepted Krypton as gone? "Krypton had its chance" anyone?). And there are much better ways of telling this kind of "blood isn't everything" story, with much better characters to tell it. (edited for grammar tisms)

Ah, the perplexing transformation of Superman from the paragon of goodness to a brooding, stressy-depressy figure - a shift that left even a non-diehard superhero aficionado like myself scratching their head. Superman, for me, has always embodied pure, unadulterated goodness, standing in stark contrast to the gritty demeanor of Batman. Yet, in this era of gritty reboots, it seems everyone, including the Man of Steel, is getting a gritty makeover. How utterly... nonsensical. Then why stop there? Let’s make Wonder Woman into a “Gone Girl”psychopath since we are on a roll here. The Snyder cut of Justice League did manage to capture the essence of my favorite superheroes coming together in all their glory, a sight to behold indeed. However, let's address the elephant in the room - why the need to turn Superman into a potential Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders? Even in the original Justice League, the one that aimed to showcase the “ lighter side “epic tale of their unity, they couldn't resist portraying Superman as a looming, intimidating figure. Sure, the whole "he didn't know who he was" excuse fits the bill for a larger-than-life character, but did they have to make him look downright scary? I found myself tiptoeing around whenever Superman graced the screen, unsure if he was about to unleash his inner sociopath on his mom or girlfriend. The supposed beacon of virtue and "goody toe shoes" had me on edge, fearing what twisted turn his character might take next. Call me old-fashioned, but I never signed up for a Superman-induced anxiety trip. Give me the Superman of yesteryears, the one who embodied hope and unwavering goodness, not this brooding enigma with a potential dark side.- that’s wtf we have Batman for. I concur with your assessment!

Well at least my adventures with Superman get who Superman is. A cartoon and live action Tv show got Supes’s character right.

Henry Cavil and Andrew Garfield are my two favorite actors for comic book movies. Sadly both were robbed of their great casting with bad writing and directing

@FirstnameLastname-my7bz

11 ай бұрын

Wrong. They both had The most source accurate honest take on each of their character.

@Vengeance289

8 ай бұрын

​@@FirstnameLastname-my7bzlol

@tariqulislamakash5749

2 ай бұрын

@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz You can't stop embarrassing yourself can you? Snyder cultists are a special breed of brain damaged losers

Thank you! Well explained. Not my Superman. They forked Batman also. DCEU can suck it!

@ShineyFX

3 жыл бұрын

I know. I was going to go over batman however they did superman SO much more dirty and I think while a lot of people have already commented on Batman in the DCEU I don't think as many people have talked about how badly they messed up superman.

@geekdaddy75

3 жыл бұрын

@@ShineyFX and I don't think DC characters are gonna get traditional character development or arcs with its current leadership. Trying to be edgy is a dangerous game. It can launch you to the heavens or it can end you.

Best different take on Superman , and written and done better: Superman Red Son

@Sosuke_Aizen2.o

2 жыл бұрын

I love that movie

From the clips used what are they from ? Other than Man of Steel

@ShineyFX

3 жыл бұрын

Justice League Animated Show Superman VS the Elite (I recommend) How it should have ended (hishe) Death of Superman I am probably forgetting one or two others

@mysticspace1475

3 жыл бұрын

@@ShineyFX thank you, I watched some justice league myself but been a long time.

Small note on your production you can feel free to ignore, but it is somewhat immersion breaking when your gesticulations cause your arm to clip through your chest. Doing capture whilst wearing a couple of thick jumpers might prevent the mocap from looking weird as sometimes your right hand juts out of your abdomen like the _A L I E N._

@ShineyFX

3 жыл бұрын

That wouldn't work in the mocap suit. it is hot enough as it is

So The thing is honestly this is a Superman who is fundamentally inhuman. He wants to be more connected with the alien side of himself; he wants to be kryptonian. He also seems to be oddly... well, sociopathy. He doesn't really care about anyone aside from people who know them. He's a what-if really; what if the Kents were unable to handle what i means to raise a superman as a human... instead he's just a monster...

@zhengyingli

3 жыл бұрын

If that's the case why did Clark keep losing his jobs in order to save strangers? Why did he cry when the capitol building blew up?

@honestkyn718

3 жыл бұрын

@@zhengyingli a good question given the rest of the film shows he cares more About Lois and his mom then anyone else

@zhengyingli

3 жыл бұрын

@@honestkyn718 Everybody cares more about the people they're close to. It's a very human trait.

@honestkyn718

3 жыл бұрын

@@zhengyingli Shame this Kal-El is more of a Kryptonian, openly disreguarding the fact he was raised by humans... not to meniton his own father castiagitng him for DARING TO RESCUE CHILDREN

@zhengyingli

3 жыл бұрын

@@honestkyn718 Jonathan just didn't want Clark risk his secrets getting out until he's ready. It's no different than in the comics. Clark is very human in Snyder's movies, which even you admit to when you know that Superman cares more about his close ones than others.

YES, this is the video I have been looking for. And I want to rant, too, so read it if you want. Growing up, being bullied and having little friends at school, watching the TV and seeing Superman and the Justice League and reading the comics changed my outlook in life. Superman, especially, was my favorite, surprisingly not Batman. A symbol of hope, sticks up for the underdog, saves lives. But most importantly, he is from Earth, who grew up at a home, had parents, went to school, yadda yadda. He gets excited when he visits his mom and dad, he's awkward around women like Lois, he is super friendly to people like Kara and Jimmy Olsen, and most of all, he is an optimist. Looking at the bright side of things, never even thinks about arguing with his parents or authorities, and gives others a chance to know him better. That's why Batman and the League respects him, that's why Metropolis loves him, not what he does in MOS or BvS. He is Kryptonian, but above all else he is human. Superman is not my favorite character now because of these Hollywood movies, and that's sad to me. His animated versions, like in Allstar, DCAMU, The Elite, and yes, TAS and JL/JLU have been done better. Heck, that one scene in Superman Returns where he lifts a freaking island full of Kryptonite had me more inspired than the new movies. Many of the Superman stories I wanted to see done in live action, like a proper adaptation of Death of Superman or Allstar Superman, will likely be imossible now due to success of the Snyderverse. You are right, Marvel had them beat in the movie department. Watching DC movies, it just has good scenes, but not a lot of good everything. Warehouse scene, Big Three vs Doomsday scene, armies vs Steppenwolf scene, 7 facing Darkseid scene, I just skip to those. Why waste time trying to slog through the whole movie. WW, Shazam, Aquaman, and 2021 Suicide Squad are the only ones I can watch and finish. People do call him Superman, but he is not Superman. Or to phrase it better, not the Superman I know. The Superman we have now is a nihilist named Kal El, who occasionally calls himself Clark, who is petty, edgy, let his dad die, destroyed a small town and a city, and is a simp who calls Lois his 'world'. The Superman I know is an average guy named Clark Kent, who loves his family, calls his teammates friends, and loves not just Lois, but also the world, the people, and will fight for those people. He inspired me to admire heroes, to hope, as he probably did for others.

@Spiderstan2000

2 жыл бұрын

The first time we meet Clark in man of steel, he saves a group of oil rig workers.

@thenoirknight5729

2 жыл бұрын

Reading that second part, I'm surprised you think this way of Snyderverse Clark Kent. He really is not a nihilist. The dude is a genuinely good guy who just wants to help out and save people. He's altrustic, stands up for what is right, sticks to his ideals and morals, and even is willing to sacrifice himself. I would recommend watching Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman

@phousefilms

Жыл бұрын

@@Spiderstan2000 Saves oil workers, refused to save his adoptive father, destroyed a guys truck for spilling beer on him. You know, hero stuff.

I liked the fight with Zod, as for the destruction it was a bit much BUT, I feel like the destruction would’ve been warranted IF the bad guys were directing the fight towards the cities and Superman was trying to get away, the bad guys were the ones that purposely threw him around the city and through skyscrapers.…..not to mention Superman should’ve went out of his way to save way more pple his whole character is he’d rather die than not try and save someone….maybe make him use his super speed to save a bunch of pple before a building fell on them or something idk

@navy0287

2 жыл бұрын

@Erik Kemeey No he didn't. Zod took *SUPERMAN* into space. Watch the scene. Zod knocks Superman through a row of buildings. Then when superman tries to orient himself when he passes through the last building, Zod grabs Superman and drags him straight up into orbit. Superman throws Zod off of him while they are in orbit, and Zod has to dig his hands into the Wayne Tech satellite to keep from flying off into space. He then throws the satellite at Superman and flies through it for a sneak attack, Superman manages to catch Zod and starts punching the crap out of him while they freefall to Earth. Yes, I said freefall because there's no way in hell either of them are aiming for any location in particular; they are too busy trying to gain the upper hand in the fight. Despite the fact that the Earth's rotation would place them miles away from Metropolis (and possibly into a new city Zod could attack), they somehow end up falling back in Metropolis anyway. Superman is apparently winning at this point because he has a firm grip on Zod and is in an attack position while they fall into Metropolis and into the building prior to the family and the neck snap.

@navy0287

2 жыл бұрын

@Erik Kemeey Nope, it was Zod who took Superman into space. Watch the scene from 1:00 to about 1:22 It is just as I described the scene. Zod threw Superman through a row of buildings. Superman tries to orient himself after coming out of the last building. Zod suddenly grabs him and takes him straight up into space. Superman then flips him off and Zod grabs the satellite to keep from flying off into space. Here's the proof. www. youtube. com/watch?v=06Qm8cKJ-jo Take the spaces out of the link.

Off topic but that is a high quality rantsona. What software did you use to mocap that Clone Trooper model to express your opinions?

@ShineyFX

Жыл бұрын

I used a Rokoko Mocap Suit 1 for the animation I used Unreal Engine for rendering

@sirmanhattan2995

Жыл бұрын

@@ShineyFX pardon for late reply but thank you! What are your PC specs to run this?

@ShineyFX

Жыл бұрын

@@sirmanhattan2995 12 Core Ryzen 9 32GB ram and a RTX 2070 Super (doesn’t have enough VRAM)

I have never seen a very Detailed and Intresting Video on MOS on youtube yet , YOU ARE AWESOME dude !!!!!!

@ShineyFX

Ай бұрын

Thankyou for the kind words. I’m happy you enjoyed it.

Superman is hopeful kind honest good we need

@thenoirknight5729

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed 👍. Truth, Justice, and The American Way. *Superman:* "I grew up in Kansas, General. I'm about as American as it gets."

I think the people that like these films usually don’t like the the characters these movies use

Superman is the saved Christian after salvation. Batman is Jesus. Snyder has not a hint of understanding of the Bible or DC comics.

man of steel was garbage. it was so boring i started to sleep until the oil rig scene. and i thought, oh cool. fire. but man, the rest of the movie was so sleepy. we saw none of superman humanity. we saw 2 seconds of his childhood and that was it. we didn't see him being a good ol kansas boy. its like they forgot to write all of supermans lines. not 1 line, not 1 scene, the entire movie

Thank you someone finally gets it these snyder fans don't understand the character at all and they make excuse after excuse

@Spiderstan2000

2 жыл бұрын

Or maybe y'alls are just a bunch of gatekeeping man babies who think Superman can't be challenged.

@thetempleton6622

2 жыл бұрын

@@Spiderstan2000 superman can be challenged, but the way he faces these challenges is what makes him superman The problem is the way Snyder's superman faces his challenges just isn't what the actual superman would do

@Spiderstan2000

2 жыл бұрын

@@thetempleton6622 what is the actual Superman? Dude has 80 years worth of stories.

Sweet video, wholeheartedly agree. One minor critique: in the first several seconds of the video, the music sounds quite sad (minor key, slow, etc) and then picks up and is good. Those first few seconds throw me off a bit.

@ShineyFX

3 жыл бұрын

Oh sorry about that XD I just like using the Star Wars Lofi music as my intros as I think they are neat

@tyleresplin3414

3 жыл бұрын

@@ShineyFX Agreed, it's good music. I always just get the feeling that the clones must have recently lost a battle, because the troopers den seems a little depressed XD. It's not a big thing, and literally as soon as the beat comes in (around 0:13 in this video) it's problem solved. Might be just a me thing though, who knows. Keep making great videos! I really do enjoy how well thought out and well done all of your content is.

@ShineyFX

3 жыл бұрын

@@tyleresplin3414 You are probably right. I never meant the intros to be depressing. more relaxing but it is something I will take into consideration before picking tracks from now on. I will try to choose something less sad. thankyou for the support. I am always glad to hear people enjoy my hard work.

what's even crazier, I feel like they could of have Superman trying to save civilians from dying by stopping abuilding from collapsing on them, stop a bolder to crush them, anything from their destruction and Zod, who notices this, would of use Superman's care for the people as his weakness, which forces the final climax that he could of snapped his neck, or like you said, just knocked him out. I may like the film, but even I know that isn't superman.

@FirstnameLastname-my7bz

11 ай бұрын

"even I know" Oh gee, EVEN you.

@Jamfrog35

11 ай бұрын

​@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz look, I get it it's supposed to be a darker take and edgy take to Superman, but it's not Superman if all they do is showcase just the powers. He's a man, not an alien. [yes I know Bats said that in JL, but I mean show don't tell] Even if Zack has his reasons, Superman's known to never kill due to he doesn't want to break the world. He always finds a different way. This is the opposite of what Superman does. death and destruction happens yes, and villain's will have to have the heroes make the tough call, but the reason why not a lot of people like it is because Superman isn't superman without the heart. I don't know who didn't like Superman being Superman and prefer him to just punch the daylights out of a villain, but they clearly don't know why Superman is great. I thought Superman Returns, despite feeling like they copy and paste his quotes a bit, felt like Superman. Even the animated DC movies felt like Superman. Even the movie Superman vs the elites is a similar situation. Was it a show, yes but imagine that in live action.

@Jamfrog35

11 ай бұрын

sorry for a long text but I have my reasons.

i didn't realize how incredibly terrible these films were until this video recapped it, its like they tried to recapture the success of dark knight, and use that success in this film, with blatant disregard of what makes superman a character.

The BUTTER... in your fridge

You captured my thoughts precisely! Feel sorry for Brandon Routh also.

Just because he's not a hopelessly happy cartoon character the way Reeve played him doesn't mean he isn't Superman.

Superman is a character out of his time frame, he was already considered dorky in the transition to modern times, that didn't work, hence he was evolved into the gen x farm boy you see in the movie.

This is facts bro every part of it and the part with him messing the truck up also makes me think damm somebody lost all reception on there phone and dammm there are construction workers who have to put the phone polls back😂😂😂 superman wouldnt do that for nothin

If you want anyone to get into DC. Just point them to the Bruce Timm animated stuff. They are easily the best depictions of DC's characters outside of the comics. Also,Superman Vs The Elite. God tier film. Now I wanna give it another rewatch.

@Amazingfilms148

Жыл бұрын

The same Bruce Timm that love Snyder Superman

@christianpain7380

Жыл бұрын

​@@Amazingfilms148 cap

He is a Man of Steel (his powers), but he is no Superman (His personality).

Question, what is your response to those who claim stories like superman vs the elite are nothing but cheap power fantasy stories where the hero succeeds without any consequences and deus Machina plot devices that come out of nowhere like his robots. Not to mention, your opinion to those who claim that killing his opponents gives superman more depth and realism, rather than writing him as supposedly an unrealistic and as they describe nauseating power fantasy character that loves smile too much and preaches to much according to them.