Not sure what happened to the audio at around a minute. Apologies for that.

@CertainlyCynical

Жыл бұрын

for some reason it kinda fits lol

@calboyalexander8181

Жыл бұрын

Didn't watched it yet but Hope this video is your redemption after the bs video you did on Goku vs Kratos🤦. That wasn't it gang🤦 You can't put a greek god fighting wolves against a freaking multiverse buster like wtf. The whole event of god of war is happening in a country called greece. He's not destroying universes like what in the wank is this?😂

@calboyalexander8181

Жыл бұрын

Also i want to correct a error alot scalers do which is to consider time traveling as immeasurable speed. Well that's not the case time travel is light speed🤔(just search about how it work than wank any bs characters immeasurable speed) Example Flash is light speed or slightly ftl not immeasurable speed. There is characters like Kami and Kaguya from Naruto who can create entire space-time so obviously just time traveling is less impressive than creating time so it's not immeasurable.

@ToasterXD

Жыл бұрын

@@calboyalexander8181Kratos slams Goku. If you don’t agree you can unsub and leave my boy.

@calboyalexander8181

Жыл бұрын

@@ToasterXDI wasnt sub im just telling that there is error in your scaling and that you can’t put a greek god who is traveling ocean in boat to Goku level and still call your self scaler. That has bad as the goofies thinking that Batman is truly multiversal just because they can build up absurd statements to prove it🤦

Bigger question. What would Broly call Gogeta. Kakarot? Vegeta? Kakareta? Vegarot?

@ToasterXD

Жыл бұрын

Broly is a goof. He’d just say Kakarot

@alibeknorbekov5963

Жыл бұрын

​@@ToasterXDbruh kzread.info/dash/bejne/m66qr8V6qLibnLA.html

@iron_potato40k

Жыл бұрын

broly would call him ugly vegeta

@cm4n63

Жыл бұрын

Vegerot is funnily enough vegito's name in some manga translations

@kami1315

Жыл бұрын

Maybe he would just say kakarot and vegeta at the same time

movie scaling is really just deciding which inconsistent statements make the most sense lmao

@ToasterXD

Жыл бұрын

It really is 💀

@addictedtochocolate920

Жыл бұрын

Narrative is most important. Whether you can sell it or not is the question, but fiction can break its rules if they aren't well established, and powerlevels are anything but; usually they're just there to add shock, and hold no actual narrative substance.

@RetroMagnus761

2 ай бұрын

The statements themselves shouldn't be the default way of scaling the movies because most of them are as you said inconsistent and are really only made to hype up the movies themselves

I think it was always hinted at. In the video games, if you had Z Broly up against Gogeta or Super Saiyan 3 or 4 Goku, he would always have this terrified reaction

@reptilian_geneticist

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I mean Broly gets defeated by a slightly amped Cell saga SSJ Goku... and Gogeta is the fusion of two Super saiyans that are each individually stronger than the Goku that beat Broly.... Base Gogeta alone would murder Broly 💀💀💀

@dexetex5846

Жыл бұрын

@@reptilian_geneticistwell to be fair goku was boosted by five other cell saga characters

@dexetex5846

Жыл бұрын

@@reptilian_geneticistand he fought buu saga gohan in regular super saiyan

@dexetex5846

Жыл бұрын

@@reptilian_geneticistand he got hit in a weak spot

@reptilian_geneticist

Жыл бұрын

@@dexetex5846 No, to be fair and accurate, Goku was slightly amped by 4 near death characters that could hardly even move or stand up.... Broly doesn't have a "weak spot" that's just fan fiction nonsense... and im only talking about Broly from the first movie, second coming Broly is slightly stronger but he's still nothing impressive compared to even Base Gogeta

Another thing to keep in mind the concept of "The North, South, East, West Galaxies" isn't just a single galaxy like you said. *The universe of Dragon Ball is divided into 4 sections, those 4 sections are the entire living universe*

@mhassankhalid3774

Жыл бұрын

And that is literally Debunked in buy Saga and DBS where the universe was shown to have countless galaxies.

@PurgatoryBan101

Жыл бұрын

@@mhassankhalid3774 i think those are just the "main" galaxies though

@reptilian_geneticist

Жыл бұрын

@@cailan5760 shaking something isn't actually a feat, it literally translates to nothing... and its actually just done for dramatic effect... every power up in a movie is super dramatic, every new transformation is super dramatic... its all just done for dramatic effect and nothing more...

@reptilian_geneticist

Жыл бұрын

Another thing to keep in mind is that Broly never actually destroyed a galaxy, all he did was go from planet to planet wiping out civilizations and destroying one planet after another.... Raditz or Nappa could literally do the same exact thing lol... so it's not an impressive feat in any way whatsoever...

@Wukongggg

Жыл бұрын

@@reptilian_geneticist he was stated by almost every character in that movie to be able to destroy the universe in his lifetime *even by the FUCKING NARRATOR* can yall compare his feats instead of trying to discredit your least favorite? I mean attack potency believe it or not goes to GOGETA *Broly is the one with better speed feats*

You could have brought up that the only reason Broly was brought back for two more movies was because he *lost* in every single appearance. The first movie proves that with enough energy condensed into one attack, you can effectively one shot Broly. The second movie shows that Broly is still affected by an attack's knockback, and a combination of that and the _sun_ is enough to break through his defense. The third movie actually adds an extra weakness, he can now be defeated by plain seawater. I think Gogeta definitely scales above "Extra Energy Goku" and the Family Kamehameha, simply given Goku's increase in strength over the course of the movies. In the ending of Bio-Broly, it's even implied Goku subdues the afterlife version of Bio-Broly, though that could've been with Pikkon's help. So I think you could've used this information to give your video a more definitive conclusion lol

@ProGamerManski

Жыл бұрын

The movies are considered different timelines and have their own power scaling as stated by Toriyama and the movie directors

@ProGamerManski

Жыл бұрын

@robertothesupermutant830 some of them are connected but you are right it is 100% possible extra energy goku is just stronger than gogeta

@FantomPhoenix

Жыл бұрын

​​​@robertothesupermutant830t really, Broly himself scales to Galaxy level, and even though Goku one shot him, he's only a bit above that at best. Pretty sure Goku in fusion reborn shook the entire afterlife which is basically its own universe. Ssj3 Goku alone in fusion reborn is stomping both Broly and Extra energy Goku. Fusion Reborn Super Saiyan 3 Goku is easily Ssj God level. So Z Gogeta would scale WAY above Broly.

@ProGamerManski

Жыл бұрын

@@FantomPhoenix actually fusion reborn ssj3 goku is weaker than anime ssj3 goku

@megasenpaiiid8768

Жыл бұрын

i thinkthe only movies that are connected are the 3 broly z movies trules , slug and coolers movies + hatchijack movie bojack and fusion reborn

GO GO BROLY GO GO 🗣️

@ToasterXD

Жыл бұрын

GOOOOOGETAAAAAAAAA

@Sycokakarot

Жыл бұрын

That’s what I’m talking about 🧌

@justaserperiorfan.9242

Жыл бұрын

ITS FUTILE🗣️🗣️🗣️

@DaydayDaGeneral

Жыл бұрын

@@ToasterXDgogeta gogeta gogeta

It's a no-brainer. Gogeta would have a massive power advantage right off the bat and he knows the fusion won't last long. He'd go right for the soul punisher and Z Broly is basically evil with muscles, so bye bye.

@JJJJ-he8bz

Жыл бұрын

Goku or vegeta at that point would smoke broly alone. They were alot stronger in the fusion reborn movie then they were in the first broly movie.

@chiron9536

Жыл бұрын

Broly was stated by the movie creators to be the strongest in the Z-movies...end of story

@ef-jkota3611

Жыл бұрын

Dude he literally said in the video that the creators of the movies said themselves that in each movie the opponents stronger then the last janemba came out when again?? End of story

@alexshawman

Жыл бұрын

​@@chiron9536it's a biased statement

@Black_Knight_-BK-

Жыл бұрын

@@alexshawman Me personally, I dont see Broly getting past Cell Saga SS2 Gohan and Super Perfect Cell.

Cooler didn't move faster than Instant transmision. he was using also instant transmission as Goku stated in the movie(The One that is showed in the film of Cooler that only take you to a different dimension that Shortcuts It). Even Supersaiyan 3 contained Goku from manga could reach Kaioshin realm as in the anime, which is indeed a greater Feat than the other. He just surpassed Goku speed inside the Instant transmission dimension from the film. Destruction of a Universe(Universal level)>make It crumble(Which one is not consider a Universal Buster feat.

@mhassankhalid3774

Жыл бұрын

To crumble/ shake a infinite sized realm, you need to have universal power. Sure maybe no universe AP but still universal DC

@antoinepolnareff8970

Жыл бұрын

@@mhassankhalid3774 Noup, nor DC nor AP at High Uni or even near

@Jxpin666

Жыл бұрын

The flash once raced against an alien that could instantly teleport. They were racing to earth, and Barry got back before the alien’s body formed back together. So that’s a clear example of how someone can be faster than instant teleportation. In this case with goku and metal cooler we could use that same argument.

@antoinepolnareff8970

Жыл бұрын

@@Jxpin666 You can't, as both Goku and Cooler had and used that same ability. Cooler Outran Goku while both were using the Instant transmission tecnique. +Vegeta was as fast as Goku and even him couldn't see at all how Cooler and Goku were moving even if both weren't that much apart from Cooler Speed

@Jxpin666

Жыл бұрын

@@antoinepolnareff8970 well I’m just stating that for the people who do want to use that argument since him also using IT was only in the English dub.

Its a no brainer that Gogeta bodies Z Broly. Considering the fact he did the same to Janemba, whose mere existance distorted heaven and hell (each of them the size of the living universe), who also bodied SS3 Goku (eho shook heaven and hell jsut by transforming).

@Thunder_Bird0

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but Broly can increase his energy infinitely during battle. Gogeta would have to finish it quicker then Janemba.

@alexshawman

11 ай бұрын

​@@Thunder_Bird0no he can play around with broly

@nayan.punekar

5 ай бұрын

​@@Thunder_Bird0Broly cannot

@Baki659

2 ай бұрын

@@Thunder_Bird0 broly would destroy himself if he kept powering up

@Thunder_Bird0

2 ай бұрын

@@Baki659 Yes thats true if he kept it inside of him but we see him release it in destructive waves in the first movie.

the only reason metal cooler was catching goku out of his instant transmission is because he himself was also using instant transmission

@sptflcrw8583

Жыл бұрын

Never stated anywhere, lol

@Black_Knight_-BK-

Жыл бұрын

@@sptflcrw8583 We literally saw it

@tumprman9982

Жыл бұрын

@@sptflcrw8583he said it was his favorite technique and used it

@Keegstar

Жыл бұрын

​@@sptflcrw8583watch the movie, lol

@Brolysmanboobs

Жыл бұрын

@@KeegstarEnglish only, in the Japanese version he’s just that fast

Didn't Koyama recognize he was biased towards Broly? The guy also contradicted himself by saying Buu (who knows which form) had a similar power level to his character, even though he also said Broly would solo everyone. Besides he suggested foes get stronger as the movies go on, and Toei blatantly stated Janemba was the most powerful villain in them. Then Gogeta wiped out Janemba in a few seconds lol

@ProGamerManski

Жыл бұрын

Toei statement was instantly retracted because koyama has basically the biggest sway in the DBZ movies, even if he is biased hes backed up by toriyama

@nayan.punekar

5 ай бұрын

​@@ProGamerManskiGogeta fodderizes broly in base form. It's a fact

I love how accurate your scaling is it always helps me in anime battles

@Thebestemerald4

Жыл бұрын

Bruh he is literally just using statements that are ment to hype up the movie and using it as reality. I mean this just sounds stupid how could you be faster than immeasurable speed or infinite speed. It sounds so stupid meta cooler is fodder, bro as stronger maybe stronger than cell and gogeta stomps but weaker than buu saga vegito.

@Jxpin666

Жыл бұрын

@@Thebestemerald4The flash once raced against an alien that could instantly teleport. They were racing to earth, and Barry got back before the alien’s body formed back together. So that’s a clear example of how someone can be faster than instant teleportation. In this case with goku and metal cooler we could use that same argument.

@ashuraomega7113

Жыл бұрын

This guy is not at all reliable when it comes to power scaling

@WarFox7012

Жыл бұрын

@@ashuraomega7113e’s proved that he’s pretty good so far.

@WarFox7012

Жыл бұрын

@@Thebestemerald4you basically stated you don’t know how scaling works.

Bro, 2018 was just a banger year. I wanna go back so bad dude.

The angel born in hell vs a monster created from fear and rage

I think that Broly would win only because of the writer’s statement. If that didn’t exist, then the fight would have ended just like Super Broly

@alexshawman

Жыл бұрын

The statement is not reality it's dumb gogeta slams not to mention the person who made the statement is biased bro being the strongest in z wouldn't make sense bc his feats don't prove it gogeta ssj > ssj3 Goku > ssj2 Vegeta > broly lssj

I would LOVE to see SSJ3 Goku vs Ultimate Gohan because this debate is probably bigger than Buuhan vs Kid Buu from the Z days

@SonZackSSJ2

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, honestly i think SSJ3 Goku >> Ultimate Gohan because Gohan couldn’t land a Hit on Buutenks and not only did SSJ3 Goku land a hit or 2 but knocked him away aswell.

@genxvictor1805

Жыл бұрын

​@@SonZackSSJ2buu was messing, and goku's fighting smarts help him kinda

@TheRealNightShot

Жыл бұрын

⁠@@SonZackSSJ2Goku was running and buying time. Gohan was fighting and made Buutenks actually try.

@Vegito_Fanpage

Жыл бұрын

Not a debate at all. SSj3 Gotenks was far more powerful than SSj3 Goku, and while he probably could have won if he had tried properly, Buu was nowhere near the state Gohan left him. Gohan showed up, called him a retard and bet the everliving fuck out of him all while literally just walking and punching without any additional momentum. Buu then went "Fuck this, this guy is literally going to tear me into microscopic pieces over and over again for fun, I need to absorb more powerful people to fight him." and even then he had to absorb Gotenks out of fear Goten and Trunks separately wouldn't be enough.

@mhassankhalid3774

Жыл бұрын

​@@SonZackSSJ2and Goku literally said Gohan surpassed him after getting ultimate and then Goku said again that he is weaker than super buu and the same buu got violated against Gohan. Goku also said that ssj3 gotenks was at his level if not Stronger and the same gotenks lost to super buu

I thought it was established the movie verse take place in the same reality, I didn’t know that people thought they were completely separate: I find that hard to believe considering how there is a lot of statements that speak about the characters getting stronger linearly through the z movies and the fusion reborn showing the villains

@Rest_sama

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget the movie verse is basically GT

@beanking3426

Жыл бұрын

They're about as closely related as Heroes is to Super. Yes, certain events are shared but there are huge differences with some that can't possibly fit into the canon timeline (ex: Lord Slug, Broly, Fusion Reborn).

@Rest_sama

Жыл бұрын

@beanking3426 GT is an alternative universe where all of the events from the movies take place due to alterations in the timeline which can easily be marked based off some form of distortion.

@Rest_sama

Жыл бұрын

@@beanking3426 and heros and super are not remotely connected via story or timeline the characters there are alternate versions

After seeing some Bio Broly ending clip, I’m now questioning if Broly was the original main Villian in the Db Fusion Reborn. Damn Broly vs Gogeta in Hell

@jeffdcgamer1077

Жыл бұрын

is possible A strong hint is from the Budokai 3 intro is the closest thing we get Z broly vs Z Gogeta

3:45 i think u might gotten confused there. Cooler mentioned the technique implying he knew about it and could use it. It wasn't his natural speed gaining up on Goku mid insta transmission. It was them both using it

The galaxy feat has been highballed to high heaven and is inconsistent with every other feat Broly shows in the movie, Broly in the original movie was about the same level as Super Perfect Cell if not only a little stronger. The galaxy we see is slowly being destroyed over time, not all at once, Broly attacked several planets one by one

It's pretty clear that Gogeta in the fusion reborn movie is far more powerful than Broly in the 8th dragonball Z movie. Goku at super saiyan 3 could beat Broly during the 8th dbz movie. Also, the Cooler feat is due to Cooler also being able to use instant transmission.

@mathewgagnier9432

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I never really got this debate. Gogeta completely obliterates Broly. Broly in the first movie was taking on regular Super Saiyans and then got taken out by Super Saiyan Goku having been empowered by everyone's energy. Second movie? Not much different besides fighting Gohan who had no experience in keeping up with his training, thus Broly obviously had the edge. The Family Kamehameha was still just a bunch of Super Saiyans with maybe Gohan being SSJ2? Correct me if I'm wrong on that. Janemba in his perfect form made a joke of SSJ3 and that is far beyond Broly already, much less Gogeta shitstomping Janemba who is leagues beyond anything Broly had in Z for feats.

@StareachValcin

Жыл бұрын

​@@mathewgagnier9432 agreed. For the record, Gohan was super saiyan 2 when he fought Broly in Broly second coming.

@JJJJ-he8bz

Жыл бұрын

@@StareachValcin even then he is far weaker than buu saga goku. Goku as just a SS2 was stated to be already stronger than SS2 Gohan against cell. Gogeta should not even be debate. Even if they fused in that first movie. Any combonation of vegeta, trunks or goku would have shredded broly in base.

@ProGamerManski

Жыл бұрын

no the movie timelines are completely different from anime timelines and so is the power scaling, for example when toei made movie 10 they thought gohan had trained the full 7 years and wanked his power to insane heights way higher then the buu threat at the time

@mathewgagnier9432

Жыл бұрын

@@ProGamerManski That's a nice excuse to try and close the gaps between Broly and Gogeta. Gogeta decimates Broly period. Even if what you said is true, the Z Broly wank needs to stop.

A couple things worth noting are: a lot of these statements are opinion based, although they hold a lot more weight when coming from the creators of the characters and movies. Also, the Gogeta in Fusion Reborn is at either SSJ or SSJ2...thus, that would implicitly be included in the list of characters that Koiyama thinks Broly is stronger than in that statement. However, given that one of the two fusees Gogeta is made up of (Goku) has access to SSJ3, that means that version of Gogeta has access to that form as well as Kaioken, so if Gogeta couldn't defeat Broly in the form he used in the movie, I think the combination of SSJ3 and a high Kaioken multiplier would be more than enough (as long as Gogeta didn't toy with Broly and finished the job quickly before the fusion expired).

@Nmoment-uv6jc

Жыл бұрын

Gogeta is naturally stronger than broly, in broly's last appereance he was weaker than base vegetto, so gogeta has a lot of time before broly catches up

@GamingDrummer89

11 ай бұрын

@@Nmoment-uv6jc How did you gauge that Broly's last appearance had him being weaker than base Vegito?

@Nmoment-uv6jc

11 ай бұрын

@@GamingDrummer89 the combined kamehameha used to defeat broly was weaker than a casual blast from base vegetto.

@GamingDrummer89

11 ай бұрын

@@Nmoment-uv6jc Maybe, but the power scaling in the movies seems to be different so it's tough to compare movie timeline characters with main timeline ones.

Ur too underated ur powerscailing is super accurate and ur a top G

When I was in like 5th grade or something, I actually was talking about that thumbnail, being a legit movie Broly vs gogeta in hell. It was kinda funny that they made that fight officially canon haha

If Gogeta pulls up with Soul Punisher, is that wraps for Broly's evil ass?

@animoments8969

Жыл бұрын

Is he evil though ? Id say hes more like a mindless berserker than evil

@Lord_Simpwalker

Жыл бұрын

@@animoments8969Nah he sadistically crushed his father inside of his Saiyan pod, that’s pretty evil.

@Jaymothafuckingcee

Жыл бұрын

@@animoments8969z brolys isnt a mindless berserk hes fully aware of what he does he’s intelligent and cunning hes pure fucking evil when he is in his ssj and lssj forms

@handzofstone1152

Жыл бұрын

​@@JaymothafuckingceeYeah but Soul Punisher also doesn't actually instant kill evil characters like so many have been led to believe. That's just a misconception that's been passed around for years.

@ashuraomega7113

Жыл бұрын

​@@handzofstone1152The super version is just a regular ki blast. The z version literally erases evil

2:55 he said he’s “supposed” to have powered up considerably, it doesn’t mean he did, this Gohan still scales to the canon

@Evolved_gorilla

Жыл бұрын

Gohan getting his cheeks clapped by broly

Really want to see a LSSJ3 Broly vs SSJ1 Gogeta, like in Raging Blast since we only saw them have a fist clash in the opening of the game

Broly will be the strongest considering the fact how legendary super Saiyan works which is by the power level continuously grow even mid-battle

@Thunder_Bird0

Жыл бұрын

Yes 100% but if Gogeta unleashes his final move he used to kill janemba he’d kill Broly. The only way i’d see Broly winning would be if he used SS3 because theoretically SS3 wouldn’t drain Broly’s energy he’d probably make SS3 work better with his infinite energy hack

@Chaosconcept-sq1op

Жыл бұрын

@@Thunder_Bird0 nah broly energy isn't exactly infinite there's actually a scene where he said"my power is building, it's overflowing"!

I've never understood the logic in assuming the movies take place in the same dimension as each other, because we see previous movie villains in Fusion Reborn. Why would these have to be the same versions of the characters? The same way the movies can have different Gokus, why wouldn't the same logic apply to the movie characters?

dbs vegito blue vs base gogeta dbz.

The contradictory is the each villain is stronger than the last so that would mean janemba is stronger than broly if this is the case, if we take it a step further since a Goku with 3 ssj's and a super namekian was able to one shot broly an that Goku is

It's really tough to scale z broly because everyone he fought, he completely dominated. We don't really have any reference.

honestly would like to see the hypothetical top vegito vs jiren

@blitzspeedgaming585

Жыл бұрын

Current vegito would tear him a new asshole.

@Jxpin666

Жыл бұрын

I believe the top one would too. After all his full power was cut short

@ashuraomega7113

Жыл бұрын

Vegito slams

@dontawilliams8433

Жыл бұрын

@@Jxpin666real

@ACertainMan

3 күн бұрын

Vegito gets violated. MUI > Blue Fusion as an amp.

Without counting Koyama's statements, I put Broly a bit more powerfull than Super Perfect Cell

@Black_Knight_-BK-

Жыл бұрын

The only right answer

You forgot to mention at 5:19 that Grand Kai is dingy and Goku is a hurricane

I think the fight would go like in dragon ball multiverse where vegito fought broly and had to pass to ssj3 and unleash all of his ki because broly power's was growing infinitely We also have dbz budokai 3 opening which states that broly is stronger than gogeta I really think that broly z have same power than broly dbs

@diabolicamires

7 ай бұрын

Z Broly is a cheat character. He is as strong as any character on screen appearing. Irrelevant if trainingneeds.

ssj3 goku vs ultimate gohan pls ty

This would be such a cool fight to see broly z Vs Gogeta z

You lost me at the immeasurable speed

This video got me thinking What if Vegito replaced Gogeta's role in DBS Broly?

Seth hit this topic a few years back and actually managed to debate multiple people on Broly vs Gogeta for hours but i think you did a better job than he did back then on this,i would just sum this battle up as, Facts and logic : Gogeta wins. Head-canon and Author : Broly wins. but you also have to make a lot of fallacies and bypass many death of the author cases to make an argument for Broly winning,for me personally Gogeta stomps badly and i’ve had this view on it since i was a Kid seeing them fight on the budokai tenkaichi 3 intro.

Ssb vegito vs jiren would be cool

I'd say the fight goes similar to the fight from super, only this time he dies by the super kamehameha

About the infinite speed feat. Coolder did not perform the feat with his speed. He also used Instant transmission himself.

@lordraiden7397

Жыл бұрын

Thats exactly what throws me off about 99.9% of these videos. Its like they didnt actually WATCH the movies they're debating for.

@zayway5649

Жыл бұрын

even if so for him to be able to react and move in that dimension during the technique which is supposed to have no time still makes their point

@stillnousername9796

Жыл бұрын

^^

@lordraiden7397

Жыл бұрын

@@zayway5649 He only moved on that dimension due to the technique though. Only I.T counters I.T

@Jxpin666

Жыл бұрын

@@zayway5649 The flash once raced against an alien that could instantly teleport. They were racing to earth, and Barry got back before the alien’s body formed back together. So that’s a clear example of how someone can be faster than instant teleportation. In this case with goku and metal cooler we could use that same argument.

7:45-8:20 And now you know why WoGs and creator statements aren't completely reliable. Especially since they at times also contradict or are contradicted by what is actually presented. For instance, the Author of Ben 10 for instance says that the universe in Ben 10 is infinite, yet we have an episode where the full extent of it's size is shown, and with it next to a neighboring universe. He also has a deleted post of him saying that Alien X can survive timeline destruction, which is in contradiction to what was said in an interview by the writers where celestialsapiens can indeed be killed by this unless they form groups and agree to combat it (which is made consistent in the show) OT: Even base Gogeta would one-shot this tbh. You could give broly a hypothetical Super Saiyan 3 and he would still get one-shotted.

Just Like Super's Broly....Z's Broly is Getting Folded by Gogeta

SSJ3 Goku VS Ultimate Gohan for sure, this is a very controversial topic.

Toaster, there's also the fact that in video games, Broly is always the one given this weird particular ability or stamina or health. Like in most games, whether DBZ or crossover games( like mugen) Broly had this Berserk ability or super armor most notably in DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi 3. In that same game, when you select destruction points battle mode, Broly's number is 9 same as Gogeta SSJ2 who also has 9. Maybe even the game developers and Akira were tryna tell us something through all this😊

@KingOdious

Жыл бұрын

he has unlimited stamina and energy but his health and defense is too limited to hold all that energy thats why when they attacked his weak spot in the og move he exploded into a ball of energy. But Broly's power is determined by both his anger an the power of the opponent he is fighting. His power gain is way higher than any other sayian so when he goes down if you let him up to quickly he comes back way stronger

@sul3377

Жыл бұрын

Lol the same game that has Gotenks 9 and Ultimate Gohan, Super buu, Gotenks buu, and Gohan Buu?

I would like to mention with the metal cooler part. Metal cooler also has the ability to use instant transmission, there is a bit of dialog where he mentions its one of his favorite abilities which is why Cooler was able to keep at pace or even surpass Goku's version of it.

Can you do a video on your scaling of GT Goku? You said he was stronger than Super Goku in your ranking video. Never have seen a scale of him that isn’t based on head canon (particularly when he transcends into heaven in daylight). Plus Chuck made a video on GT Goku vs Golden Freeza and he scaled him to universal +. Love your videos, would also love to see a video about how far CC Goku can go in Marvel!

@ToasterXD

Жыл бұрын

By stronger, I just meant in terms of speed but spoke off the top of my head. If you’re going by the GT=Movie meta then he’d probably just be faster

@brownstainfinger6171

Жыл бұрын

@@ToasterXDFair, thank you for clarifying. Seeing who in marvel CC Goku could beat and who he would lose to would be an even more interesting video though… Js.😂

@andersonbrowne4781

Жыл бұрын

@@ToasterXD I would really like to see the vegito vs jiren fight the most, btw I really like your channel dude, keep up the awesome work.

@ojpickle5923

Жыл бұрын

​@@ToasterXDthe movie meta is weird because that would assume the movie is connected to the anime when that's not possible. Dende was the guardian in the movie, yet Goku and Vegeta are above piccolo even though Gohan isn't an ssj which would mean Goku hasn't gone in the time chamber yet

@LavaCreeperPeople

Жыл бұрын

finally i can comment now, hours later GT Goku is nowhere near universal. He is one-tapped by Super Goku (anime) in base alone. For how he would fare against Super Goku (manga), go watch hyourinjutsu’s video, though it’s a bit outdated because Super Goku (manga) didn’t have control over ultra instinct back then

2:56gohan getting some crazy backshots

I like broly more so that means he beats up gogeta and is stronger but then gets killed in the end somehow

You know they tripping when they say Bio broly is an enhanced version Besides that true :3

Vegito vs Jiren pls

Jiren Vs Hypothetical (TOP)Vegito sound super fun

I said this on a vid of Chucks, But we need a power scaling of the goku who KILLED Broly in the first movie.

Hey toaster could u do goku vs rimuru or goku vs anos?

Toriyamas statement about the movies being in a different dimension or whatever is just his OPINION and all it really means is that they're non canon to his original Manga, just like DBGT... HOWEVER, the movies and DBGT are part of the anime CONTINUITY, no question whatsoever... Movie characters such as Garlic Jr literally have their own anime arc 😂😂😂 and Cooler is shown in DBGT.... So YES, we absolutely can use the DBZ anime to scale the DBZ movies 💯

@ProGamerManski

Жыл бұрын

no you cant too many movies happen in the same time frame for it to be possible, and Koyama the guy who made the movies are their own story disconnected from the anime

@reptilian_geneticist

Жыл бұрын

@@ProGamerManski inconsistencies don't matter... the manga/anime is already full of inconsistencies... and Koyama never said that, he literally said that the movies are based directly off of the arcs in which they were made...

@reptilian_geneticist

Жыл бұрын

@@ProGamerManski deadzone is like the raditz fight... worlds strongest is like the Vegeta fight... tree of might takes place on the way to namek... Lord slug is namek... Cooler movie is like the Freeza fight... metal cooler is like the mecha freeza fight... Super 13 is android arc... Broly is the Cell arc... Bojack takes place right before otherworld tournament... Broly second coming is early buu arc... fusion reborn is buu arc... etc... The DBZ movies are most definitely part of the DBZ/GT anime continuity

Didn't broly got killed by energy amped ssj goku (cell games period) in movie 8 and got overpowered/killed by gohan, goku and goten's family kamehameha (beginning of buu saga period, all only using ss1 except gohan "arguably") in movie 10 ? Gogeta would ragdoll him just like dbs broly got bullied by dbs gogeta. ZBroly is way too overestimated, he doesn't come even close to gogeta 😅

@Black_Knight_-BK-

Жыл бұрын

I'd place Broly at a level below Super Perfect Cell tbh. If he were brought back in the Buu Saga with a zenkai, then I'd say he's SS2 Goku/Majin Vegeta level max

@vegetasbiggestopp659

Жыл бұрын

@@Black_Knight_-BK-through feats alone broly would one shot super perfect cell

@williamjones9707

Жыл бұрын

In each of the times they killed broly there was never anywhare close to the amount of power goku had as a SS3 yet people really think broly could mess with goku fusion

Think the amp for fusion in fusion reborn is just too much for Broly. I am totally on board for Gohan in the second Broly movie being super strong since he trained but I doubt he comes close to a later movie's fusion of Goku and Vegeta. It would probably go similar to the dbs movie except the fight would become one sided once gogeta went SSJ instead of SSJ blue. To be completely honest, SSJ3 and possibly even 2 Goku could be stronger than Broly on his own. Really depends if you high or low ball the movie power levels compared to the canon power levels.

@JJJJ-he8bz

Жыл бұрын

SS2 goku or vegeta would be more than enough they overrate the hell out of broly power it make no since.

Vegito vs Jiren please. SSJ 3 Goku vs Ultimate Gohan from the Buu Saga is too obvious.

@ToasterXD

Жыл бұрын

Doing both anyways

@handzofstone1152

Жыл бұрын

And Vegito vs. Jiren isn't? 😂 Vegito would've humiliated Jiren. At best, Jiren would have had to hope that they defused early. Which wouldn't have been a real win anyway.

Bio broly is not stronger than broly in the first movie

Hypothetical TOP SSB Vegetto vs Jiren please. Or hypothetical Buu saga Gogeta vs Buuhan. I wonder how strong Canon Broly was during that point before Super?

Gogeta loses, death to the author by popular opinion doesn't hold any weight.

Bro Toryiama is so inconsistent.

My question is, how would stardust breaker/soul punisher effect Z Broly? Would it just purify him of all his anger, evil and rage (Like how it effected Super Broly) or would it turn Him into nothing like Janemba

Xeno goku video when?

Vegito better

@rangergames0862

4 ай бұрын

Nope, gogeta 1000 Times better, more drip, can Stay 30 mins in ssj blue, Don't waste time making fun of your opponent

@blazefusionkillo1567

4 ай бұрын

@@rangergames0862 cap

I feel like broly will win against anyone in dbz if they let the fight drag on long enough. If they destroy broly quickly gogeta can win but if that fight drags on cz they like playing around they'll lose.

@DEO4L-Ilovetrolling

Жыл бұрын

The thing about gogeta he doesn't play around 💀

Anyone notice the bo2 menu music? Nice lol 😂

I'd do ssj4 vs ssg or ssb, I've seen some insane calculation on ssj4 that made me really reconsider how strong it is, unless you've already done it of course

@societygoku6376

Жыл бұрын

I dont think ssj4 is a calculabe transformation tho, it is more like a saiyan's peak power, unleashing all of their inner saiyan power at the same time. If used by DBS goku, he'd be somewhere inbetween ssjbkkx and ui omen , as ui is not a "saiyan" ability so I'd say it dont count

@TheOneAndOnlyZN

Жыл бұрын

@@societygoku6376 well it's definitely calculable considering it's just a continuation of z. Sure it isn't cannon but there's definitely something to calculate there

Bro makes the Beat scales

The wholle video is amazing dont get me wrong But i cant seem to shake the instant transmission thing in the movies Because we clearly see him moving from spot to spot in instant transmission in the movie's but if it was instantaneous it wouldnt work like that My opinion that instant transmission in the movies acts alot differently then the one in the main timeline

Gogeta is far above Broly, Koyama says that each movie villain has to be stronger than the last one and since Broly comes before Janemba this would mean Janemba is far above Bio Broly, SSJ Gogeta bodied Janemba therefore he no diffs Broly. Koyama statements regarding Broly being strongest can just refer to him being strongest at the time not taking account events from the future, this reconciles the seemingly contradicting statements of Koyama.

It was already settled in the budokai 3 intro and kinda the tenkaichi 3 intro Gogeta stomps Broly still my favorite character tho

I think SSJ3 Goku vs. Ultimate Gohan would be a more interesting video.

maybe Koyama only meant that Broly is the strongest villain, therefore, Gogeta is not a villain so its not contradictory to assume he is stronger

fun fact: the broly gogo song is actully a song from dbz

“Broly would slam” unless Gogeta could hypothetically Go SSJ3 against him lol

@SaucemanK

Жыл бұрын

"Oh no you got 8x stronger and are rapidly draining your ki and fusion limit. Too bad I was already hundreds of times stronger than you via feats and still blitz you"

@SonZackSSJ2

Жыл бұрын

@@SaucemanK it just depends if the fight is dragged on, Gogeta would have no reason to hold back once he’s in SSJ3.

@Kenshinbtt

Жыл бұрын

If we say gogeta and vegito are relatively similar in power then your saying broly is stronger than buu that absorbed ultimate gohan I call bull

@SaucemanK

Жыл бұрын

@@Kenshinbtt buu is weaker than broly. Snd every form of buu too not just super buu. Same with gogeta and possibly vegito. Its stated by takao koyama(the screen writer for all the dbz movies that also helped direct the anime) that broly is the strongest being in the dbz animes original run. Including vegito and buu. The only questionable part is vegito since he kicked away buus universe ending attack pretty easily but then again broly is already multi galaxy while just being suppressed. People bring up how broly got beat by ssj goku but dont realize that goku doesn't scale to the anime versions via being from the movies where the characters are much different. Plus that goku was amped from lots of ki which we see that even ki from normal humans can kill a guy like kid buu.

@Kenshinbtt

Жыл бұрын

@@SaucemanK my problem with that is that version of broly isn't Canon so to say buu is weaker than broly which we can't go by that personally I think broly can't possibly be that strong anyway because technically gohan goten and goku in super saiyan took him out in the second movie and buu is way stronger than that

In terms of the original 13 z movies Super janemba Hirudegan Broly I'm not sure if it was diazenshuu or the supplementary diazenshuu but these specific 3 villians were put in this order and it makes sense. Broly does have a constant growing pl but without hypothesizing who is to say it would nature grow to that of super janemba without intensive training. Me personally I never felt hirudegan was all that powerful compared to the z fighters but rather tricky to deal with.

@ProGamerManski

Жыл бұрын

that statement was made by toei however they immediately retracted the statement when Koyama the dbz movies director directly contradicted them by stating broly was in fact the strongest in not only the movies but even in the entirety of the anime

@weshal5732

Жыл бұрын

​@@ProGamerManskikoyama isn't very reliable tho as he contradicts toriyama alot

@ProGamerManski

Жыл бұрын

@weshal5732 koyama is the toriyama of the z movies his statements hold more power than toriyama as stated by toriyama himself

@ampogi019

11 ай бұрын

@@ProGamerManski Koyama > Toriyama with power scaling 🤓☝️

@ProGamerManski

11 ай бұрын

@@ampogi019 whar?

8:35 bro gave us options like we don't want both😭

I’d like a video of goku and vegeta using the potara in the ToP, I’d watch that for sure

This means that there’s a 3 time lines you got GT timeline the Super timeline and the Movie timeline

@ToasterXD You forgot the most important detail, plot armor.....

Wait isnt the after life transcends the concepts of time and space

I put this video off for a long time because I thought the premise was ridiculous Gogeta kinda negs.

As a BROLY fanboy, I honestly believe Gogeta could beat him. However, I also believe that BROLY could be stronger per-say. I’m am biased though.

@ToasterXD

Жыл бұрын

Most consistently gogeta Is stronger but you’re correct, you can 100% just scale him above all of Z if you took Koyama’s absurd claims

@Ps2vin

Жыл бұрын

thats a no from me chief, coming from a vegito fan and a broly fan. Broly would take decades before he caught up to gogeta

@J-J-P-K

28 күн бұрын

​@@Ps2vinokay thats glazing broly would literally keep growing in power also not to mention if we take the 10th movie into account aswell its ez for broly as he was overpowering ssj2 goku. Gohan and ssj goten he only lost because trunks literally distracted him also writers statements>>>>feats

@Ps2vin

28 күн бұрын

@@J-J-P-K brolys power would not be anywhere near gogeta even after all those years

@J-J-P-K

28 күн бұрын

@@Ps2vin he would literally keep growing I think u underestimate how strong he's gonna be if he can control his power

Why tf is this even debatable 💀💀💀💀💀

@realcasherrr1074

Жыл бұрын

literally wtf broly gets shit on

@justaguy4742

Жыл бұрын

@@realcasherrr1074 Gogeta literally one shots 💀

heat

@ToasterXD

Жыл бұрын

SHUT UP SHROOB 🗣️🗣️‼️

@Shroobi

Жыл бұрын

@@ToasterXD I AINT DO NOTHING BRO SHITS FIRE CAUSE THE GOAT WON

@ToasterXD

Жыл бұрын

I DONT CARE 🗣️‼️

@Shroobi

Жыл бұрын

@@ToasterXD BRUH L MANS

1:14 What's this silence?

@ToasterXD

Жыл бұрын

Editing mistake that I didn’t see

Instant transmission teleports you to a different dimension and cooler had acsees to it

Depend on which broly to compares with gogeta? 1. If is broly in the first movie, gogeta slam broly in his base form, 2. And if it broly in the second coming movie, broly still be fucked off by gogeta in his base form *actually more a little bit powering up* but still, 3. And if it bio broly...., he's💀

Z Broly with a Zenkai boost doesn't have a ghost of a chance against Gogeta. The second SSJ1 Vegeta lent his power to SSJ1 Goku the latter was able to defeat Broly so imagine what it would be like to fight a Gogeta who's a combination of SSJ2 Vegeta and a Goku who reached SSJ3. Should be an easy win for Gogeta

The Xenoverse 2 Time Patroller bodies both in base form

Goku Vs Aizen?

top vegtio vs top jiren btw great video

Hmm...this battle in my mind is bugging me 😮ssj2 trunks in cell saga vs Lssj Z broly😅bulky sayian vs bulky sayian

W video. Personally, I think gogeta wins. But it could go either way.

Guide books said broly only 2 times stronger than goku. Fusion reborn ssj3 goku didnt mention going ssj3 against broly when he was rampaging in hell at the end of the last movie bio broly Goku said hatchiyack stronger than broly, when gohan was still a teen.